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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:23:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile: And the massacre was bigger than they expected, which pissed the Israelis off and hardened their resolve more than expected. They have to be freaking out about how out of control this is for them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile: Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By Cypher15: They thought everyone else in the mideast would join Hamas in killing Israelis...oopsie.. That's true, and in that case they failed to coordinate with their fellow "axis of resistance" friends. They have to be freaking out about how out of control this is for them. I doubt that. Hamas leadership doesn’t reside in Gaza. Hamas is bigger than Gaza and will not be destroyed even if the entire strip is razed. Hamas is likely getting more cash and resources than it has in ages, it’s just not going to Gaza right now. Hamas leadership and their propaganda teams will be all over the Islamic world showing how the evil Jew treats poor Muslims, leveraging the Koran for all its worth highlighting texts about aiding fellow Muslims. You know it’s going to be successful because Hamas is one of the few groups not really bound by Sunni or Shia dogmas. Hamas is technically Sunni but Iran heavily supports them which pressures Sunni states like Saudi Arabia to do so. Even Turkey is floating ideas of aid to Gaza. I see this likely that Hamas become a more international group that still is the primary insurgent for Israel in Gaza. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:26:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: I doubt that. Hamas leadership doesn’t reside in Gaza. Hamas is bigger than Gaza and will not be destroyed even if the entire strip is razed. Hamas is likely getting more cash and resources than it has in ages, it’s just not going to Gaza right now. Hamas leadership and their propaganda teams will be all over the Islamic world showing how the evil Jew treats poor Muslims, leveraging the Koran for all its worth highlighting texts about aiding fellow Muslims. You know it’s going to be successful because Hamas is one of the few groups not really bound by Sunni or Shia dogmas. Hamas is technically Sunni but Iran heavily supports them which pressures Sunni states like Saudi Arabia to do so. Even Turkey is floating ideas of aid to Gaza. I see this likely that Hamas become a more international group that still is the primary insurgent for Israel in Gaza. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By SoCalExile: Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By Cypher15: They thought everyone else in the mideast would join Hamas in killing Israelis...oopsie.. That's true, and in that case they failed to coordinate with their fellow "axis of resistance" friends. They have to be freaking out about how out of control this is for them. I doubt that. Hamas leadership doesn’t reside in Gaza. Hamas is bigger than Gaza and will not be destroyed even if the entire strip is razed. Hamas is likely getting more cash and resources than it has in ages, it’s just not going to Gaza right now. Hamas leadership and their propaganda teams will be all over the Islamic world showing how the evil Jew treats poor Muslims, leveraging the Koran for all its worth highlighting texts about aiding fellow Muslims. You know it’s going to be successful because Hamas is one of the few groups not really bound by Sunni or Shia dogmas. Hamas is technically Sunni but Iran heavily supports them which pressures Sunni states like Saudi Arabia to do so. Even Turkey is floating ideas of aid to Gaza. I see this likely that Hamas become a more international group that still is the primary insurgent for Israel in Gaza. I believe that they all will hunted and killed just like the Nazis were after WWII |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:29:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: Yes. As of a week ago, I thought Hezbollah would stay out of it for a number of reasons: they help maintain a stable Lebanon and damage to Lebanon's infrastructure might turn the place into a failed state; they are Iran's Foreign Legion and a war with Israel could cause enough damage to make them ineffective in that role; and Iran wanted to keep the missile inventory and the facilities Hezbollah built intact so they could counterattack Israel in the event of Israeli or US strikes on their nuclear project. Israel has ratcheted up the pressure after it was reported a number of evacuees from the north don't want to return home unless something is done with Hezbollah. Initial lessons learned about the failure on 7 Oct identified establishing a defense posture based on an enemy's intentions instead of its capabilities as a major factor. Applying that to Hezbollah means looking at their 100K missiles/rockets and neutralizing the threat regardless of what their current intentions seem to be. It doesn't hurt that the US has moved significant firepower into the region, and I'm sure Israel thinks we will back them up if it looks like Iran might get involved. I agree with this 100%. At the least a major regional war is in the works. I only hope it stays regional. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:31:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By texashomeserver: Churches, Synagogues, and schools. I'm surprised there was not an incident last weekend. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By texashomeserver: Originally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By BM1455: Originally Posted By GunGuyMP: If we really did lose troops today this is likely to change.
That's what you do when you are compromised by more then just Ukraine and China..... It’s not just Biden. Several US presidents now have refused to hit Iran in a major way or refused aid to the Iranian people when they were in the streets. My bet after Regan got proportional the Iranians got serious about a plan to hit us back. The one way I see that possible is with terrorist cells all over the US ready to go. It would definitely broaden the war if even just a dozen four man teams started hitting things. Think of the impact of just one of them hitting a large elementary school here. No president is going to survive politically after what they have done with the border if a Beslan occurred. There are a pile of soft targets too they could keep hitting things until caught. Churches, Synagogues, and schools. I'm surprised there was not an incident last weekend. It would be a strategic mistake. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:35:37 AM EST
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IDF Naval Commandos raided the Gaza Port, but it's not clear to me whether the IDF hold the Gaza Port yet. They need that Port to complete their encirclement. Regarding the hospital, it's pretty damn clear that it is the HQ for Hamas. Why is the world condemning Israel that is treating that hospital with great care and consideration considering it is the HQ for Hamas? Where the condemnation of Hamas for setting up shop in a hospital and using its patients, not to mention the many hostages they hold, as human shields? Of course, ideally the IDF wouldn't have to take a hospital by force, but this is another lesser of two evil situations where there is no perfect solution thanks to the evil dishonorable actions of Hamas.
I'll say this, the Biden Administration keeps making the USA look weaker and weaker by inserting itself into this conflict. Blinken is WAY out of his depth. I'm not sure why we still have troops in Syria, didn't the former President of the USA, Donald Trump order U.S. forces to withdraw from Syria and yet we're still there for some inexplicable reason. In terms of our threats here at home, we're pretty much screwed for awhile in terms of our ability to maintain domestic security. If we started today on a systematic 24/7 effort to locate and deport all illegal aliens by force (a loud scary thing that Americans couldn't stomach) while also reviewing all foreign visas issued it would take us twenty years and trillions of dollars to come close to being able to proclaim the USA was safe. The damage done is pretty much irreversible. Our government has completely failed at its fundamental core reason for existing, which is providing a common defense. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:39:49 AM EST
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 Israeli Navy’s Unit for Underwater Missions located dozens of weapons in the Gazan maritime region |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:44:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: I doubt that. Hamas leadership doesn’t reside in Gaza. Hamas is bigger than Gaza and will not be destroyed even if the entire strip is razed. Hamas is likely getting more cash and resources than it has in ages, it’s just not going to Gaza right now. Hamas leadership and their propaganda teams will be all over the Islamic world showing how the evil Jew treats poor Muslims, leveraging the Koran for all its worth highlighting texts about aiding fellow Muslims. You know it’s going to be successful because Hamas is one of the few groups not really bound by Sunni or Shia dogmas. Hamas is technically Sunni but Iran heavily supports them which pressures Sunni states like Saudi Arabia to do so. Even Turkey is floating ideas of aid to Gaza. I see this likely that Hamas become a more international group that still is the primary insurgent for Israel in Gaza. Hamas's upper leadership is counting the money that is rolling into them right now far from Gaza. I imaigne that the entire purpose of this barbaric attack is to essentially serve as a fund raising drive. Folks, like those in Qatar are probably sending an ocean of cash to Hamas right now. Hezbollah had to jump in to make themselves seem relevant and try to get some of Hama's donations. The USA knows about these funders of terrorists. They know that some wealth folks in Qatar have sent over a billion dollar to Hamas in the last decade, hosted their leadership for conferences, and so forth. This is all known stuff, but we have politicians with conflicts of interests do to their donors making large sums of cash from foreign oil deals in that region. So the folks in D.C. look the other way and then act like they are in shock with something like this happens.  |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:45:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Mein Kampf should be in every school library in Israel along with the publishings of Henry Ford that inspired Hitler. Much better to understand your opposition than to try to pretend it does not exist. If you haven't read the Koran, the Communist Manifesto, and Mein Kampf you are leaving free intel on the table. I agree. Decent human beings can't think like evil men. When they put their thoughts to paper, read it. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:46:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eagle157: Time to level the hospital. Hamas cowards always use civilian shields and need to learn not to use civilians as shields. Best learning tool is to level their shields. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eagle157: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Time to level the hospital. Hamas cowards always use civilian shields and need to learn not to use civilians as shields. Best learning tool is to level their shields. Anyone anywhere near that Hospital is Hamas or supporters of Hamas. So in short HAMAS! I believe once they have reclaimed Gaza the chance to flee is over and that Terrorists Complex is TOAST! In the lords name I pray |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:49:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: Israel better be very careful. It could end up another Operation Barbarossa. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: Israel better be very careful. It could end up another Operation Barbarossa. Or worse. Everyone thought the West Bank was going to blow up. In July they carried out the largest military operatiom in 20 years there. Conditions haven't gotten better but rather worse. So the IDF could be looking at a three-front war: Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon. TIC background paper on July's raid on Jenin. Shortly before 2 a.m. on July 5, 2023, the Israeli security force operation in Jenin and the Jenin refugee camp ended; it had lasted for 48 hours. It was broadest Israeli security force activity in the Jenin area since 2002[1] and led to the destruction of about one thousand IEDs, the exposure and destruction of dozens of sites for the manufacture of weapons, underground shafts, and command and operation rooms. In addition, hundreds of thousands of dollars’ worth of shekels used to fund terrorist activities were seized. An IDF fighter was killed as the forces left the area. Local residents were elated when the Israeli security forces left the Jenin region and despite the destruction, went out into the streets to celebrate their “victory.” Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)...claimed the operation was a Palestinian achievement and victory over Israel because it reaffirmed the unity of the [terrorist] organizations.. The Palestinian Authority (PA) and its security services were severely criticized for not having helped the residents of Jenin attacked the offices of the Jenin district governor. Senior Fatah and PA figures were kicked oit of the funerals held for Palestinians who had been killed. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:53:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: It would be a strategic mistake. It would be more than strategic. Islam would be eradicated from the US. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:55:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By texashomeserver: Israel has said it will empty the NICU's of the hospitals. Hamas knows this. Hamas does not give a shit. It takes a lot to make characters like Arafat look good by comparison, but the Sinwar brothers and their brain trust managed to do just that. Their bullshit isn't going unnoticed in the Arab World.  Kuwaiti Researcher: Blood of People of Gaza, Dead Children, Demolished Homes Are on Hamas Leaders  Egyptian TV Host Slams Hamas Official’s Claim That Gaza Civilians’ Safety Is Responsibility of UN Not about Hamas but rather Hezbollah  Retired Lebanese General: The Int’l Community Should Save Lebanon from Hizbullah, not from Israel |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:55:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: IDF Naval Commandos raided the Gaza Port, but it's not clear to me whether the IDF hold the Gaza Port yet. They need that Port to complete their encirclement. Regarding the hospital, it's pretty damn clear that it is the HQ for Hamas. Why is the world condemning Israel that is treating that hospital with great care and consideration considering it is the HQ for Hamas? Where the condemnation of Hamas for setting up shop in a hospital and using its patients, not to mention the many hostages they hold, as human shields? Of course, ideally the IDF wouldn't have to take a hospital by force, but this is another lesser of two evil situations where there is no perfect solution thanks to the evil dishonorable actions of Hamas. I'll say this, the Biden Administration keeps making the USA look weaker and weaker by inserting itself into this conflict. Blinken is WAY out of his depth. I'm not sure why we still have troops in Syria, didn't the former President of the USA, Donald Trump order U.S. forces to withdraw from Syria and yet we're still there for some inexplicable reason. In terms of our threats here at home, we're pretty much screwed for awhile in terms of our ability to maintain domestic security. If we started today on a systematic 24/7 effort to locate and deport all illegal aliens by force (a loud scary thing that Americans couldn't stomach) while also reviewing all foreign visas issued it would take us twenty years and trillions of dollars to come close to being able to proclaim the USA was safe. The damage done is pretty much irreversible. Our government has completely failed at its fundamental core reason for existing, which is providing a common defense. “The damage done is pretty much irreversible. Our government has completely failed at its fundamental core reason for existing, which is providing a common defense.” Fundamentally Transformed |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:04:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: It would be a strategic mistake. It would be an existential mistake. Right now they are attacking the "colonizers" of what they call occupied Palestine. For many in the Arab and Muslim worlds the civilians killed on 7 Oct and in other less spectacular attacks are legitimate targets. That couldn't be said about killing civilians here in the US. Maybe a "lone wolf" type does something but Hamas itself won't. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:14:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: I believe that they all will hunted and killed just like the Nazis were after WWII Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By SoCalExile: Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By Cypher15: They thought everyone else in the mideast would join Hamas in killing Israelis...oopsie.. That's true, and in that case they failed to coordinate with their fellow "axis of resistance" friends. They have to be freaking out about how out of control this is for them. I doubt that. Hamas leadership doesn’t reside in Gaza. Hamas is bigger than Gaza and will not be destroyed even if the entire strip is razed. Hamas is likely getting more cash and resources than it has in ages, it’s just not going to Gaza right now. Hamas leadership and their propaganda teams will be all over the Islamic world showing how the evil Jew treats poor Muslims, leveraging the Koran for all its worth highlighting texts about aiding fellow Muslims. You know it’s going to be successful because Hamas is one of the few groups not really bound by Sunni or Shia dogmas. Hamas is technically Sunni but Iran heavily supports them which pressures Sunni states like Saudi Arabia to do so. Even Turkey is floating ideas of aid to Gaza. I see this likely that Hamas become a more international group that still is the primary insurgent for Israel in Gaza. I believe that they all will hunted and killed just like the Nazis were after WWII And Munich. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:16:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: It would be an existential mistake. Right now they are attacking the "colonizers" of what they call occupied Palestine. For many in the Arab and Muslim worlds the civilians killed on 7 Oct and in other less spectacular attacks are legitimate targets. That couldn't be said about killing civilians here in the US. Maybe a "lone wolf" type does something but Hamas itself won't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By fike: It would be a strategic mistake. It would be an existential mistake. Right now they are attacking the "colonizers" of what they call occupied Palestine. For many in the Arab and Muslim worlds the civilians killed on 7 Oct and in other less spectacular attacks are legitimate targets. That couldn't be said about killing civilians here in the US. Maybe a "lone wolf" type does something but Hamas itself won't. That sounds eerily like a Israeli intelligence assessment, on October 5. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:22:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NEXT23: It would be more than strategic. Islam would be eradicated from the US. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NEXT23: Originally Posted By fike: It would be a strategic mistake. It would be more than strategic. Islam would be eradicated from the US. Within 5 minutes of the last terrorist being killed the screeching for gun control would start. Any private citizen that took matters into their own hands to protect themselves and others during the attack would be arrested and charged. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:23:18 PM EST
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:42:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: I'll say this, the Biden Administration keeps making the USA look weaker and weaker by inserting itself into this conflict. Blinken is WAY out of his depth. I'm not sure why we still have troops in Syria, didn't the former President of the USA, Donald Trump order U.S. forces to withdraw from Syria and yet we're still there for some inexplicable reason. Trump removed ~50 troops from near the border in Turkey, which resulted in a major democrat/establishment meltdown that he was destroying the kurds. This was done prior to a Turkish incursion. Wild to see the democrats so upset we were withdrawing (a handful) of troops from a place we were not really supposed to be. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:43:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By texashomeserver: That sounds eerily like a Israeli intelligence assessment, on October 5. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By texashomeserver: Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By fike: It would be a strategic mistake. It would be an existential mistake. Right now they are attacking the "colonizers" of what they call occupied Palestine. For many in the Arab and Muslim worlds the civilians killed on 7 Oct and in other less spectacular attacks are legitimate targets. That couldn't be said about killing civilians here in the US. Maybe a "lone wolf" type does something but Hamas itself won't. That sounds eerily like a Israeli intelligence assessment, on October 5. Hardly. Hamas had everything to gain by attacking Israel. There is no upside to attacking civilians in the US. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:45:22 PM EST
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There was video of Hamas showing video of the Oct 7 attack to an enthusiastic crowd in Gaza. Much aloha snackbar.
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:50:57 PM EST
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:56:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Trump removed ~50 troops from near the border in Turkey, which resulted in a major democrat/establishment meltdown that he was destroying the kurds. This was done prior to a Turkish incursion. Wild to see the democrats so upset we were withdrawing (a handful) of troops from a place we were not really supposed to be. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: I'll say this, the Biden Administration keeps making the USA look weaker and weaker by inserting itself into this conflict. Blinken is WAY out of his depth. I'm not sure why we still have troops in Syria, didn't the former President of the USA, Donald Trump order U.S. forces to withdraw from Syria and yet we're still there for some inexplicable reason. Trump removed ~50 troops from near the border in Turkey, which resulted in a major democrat/establishment meltdown that he was destroying the kurds. This was done prior to a Turkish incursion. Wild to see the democrats so upset we were withdrawing (a handful) of troops from a place we were not really supposed to be. this has been going on since the 90s, probably before that. During Provide Comfort, sometimes the turks would say, no awacs flying today so we stood down then watched turkish jets leaving with ordnance and coming back later empty. best guess was bombing the turks |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 12:58:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: It would be a strategic mistake. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By texashomeserver: Originally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By BM1455: Originally Posted By GunGuyMP: If we really did lose troops today this is likely to change.
That's what you do when you are compromised by more then just Ukraine and China..... It’s not just Biden. Several US presidents now have refused to hit Iran in a major way or refused aid to the Iranian people when they were in the streets. My bet after Regan got proportional the Iranians got serious about a plan to hit us back. The one way I see that possible is with terrorist cells all over the US ready to go. It would definitely broaden the war if even just a dozen four man teams started hitting things. Think of the impact of just one of them hitting a large elementary school here. No president is going to survive politically after what they have done with the border if a Beslan occurred. There are a pile of soft targets too they could keep hitting things until caught. Churches, Synagogues, and schools. I'm surprised there was not an incident last weekend. It would be a strategic mistake. Agreed. The American blowback would be massive. All the cute/cuddly feelings Hamas is receiving from segments of the US and world population would cease to exist. Biden, with an impending election, would be forced to take a strong stand by supporting Israel and directly leveraging US military assets where appropriate. Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah/etc. don't want to rattle the U.S. cage any more than it already has. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:00:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: Everyone thinks we're at the end of the Roman Empire stage right now. I think they're all wrong and we're really at the end of the Roman Republic stage. It doesn't seem like it would take much for the fabric of society to tear and the military to have to step in as a junta under a new Caesar. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: There needs to be a removal of epistemological discussion points from the State Department and the current administration. Blinken needs to be removed, he is incapable of rational decision-making and is so biased that Gulf state governments want nothing to do with him. He is a hindrance to negotiations. The lack of talent in the State Department is putting the world at risk. At this point in time, the Gulf states are looking to the US armed forces to negotiate with, because the Biden administration is so incompetent. Clowns are running the show, but they are so bad at it that no one is attending the circus. It doesn't seem like it would take much for the fabric of society to tear and the military to have to step in as a junta under a new Caesar. If you want to fit some sort of religious time frame to any event it is not difficult, you just need YouTube and a few websites to pump up your stance. We are not at any end of the Roman Republic, we are at a crossroads of US domination and at an inflection point where the US realizes that if it wants to retain its position, it needs to admit it is an empire. It also needs to act like one, and not be driven by the politics of other nations. It needs to be independent and righteous. The fabric of our societies is pretty robust, but when leadership is sick (Biden) or obviously biased (Blinken), it pours discontent on a population. The USA is the only morally driven economy in the world that matters, but in this situation (Palestine) it needs to be the global leader and be the deciding force for ending this conflict. The USA needs to end this, if it doesn't 25% of the global population will want retribution (Muslims). Public relations matters. Diplomacy IS necessary. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:00:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: Hardly. Hamas had everything to gain by attacking Israel. There is no upside to attacking civilians in the US. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By texashomeserver: Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By fike: It would be a strategic mistake. It would be an existential mistake. Right now they are attacking the "colonizers" of what they call occupied Palestine. For many in the Arab and Muslim worlds the civilians killed on 7 Oct and in other less spectacular attacks are legitimate targets. That couldn't be said about killing civilians here in the US. Maybe a "lone wolf" type does something but Hamas itself won't. That sounds eerily like a Israeli intelligence assessment, on October 5. Hardly. Hamas had everything to gain by attacking Israel. There is no upside to attacking civilians in the US. Agreed. Americans are like a dysfunctional family (always infighting, and undermining each other) - until there is an external threat that unites us. Previous world wars and 9/11 galvanized the American people like never before. I think a Hamas sponsored attack against children on US soil would dramatically increase the chances of the US opening the can. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:02:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By texashomeserver: Hamas meets Austin - https://media.kvue.com/assets/KVUE/images/ca08372f-df20-4adb-a13d-12a053af3499/ca08372f-df20-4adb-a13d-12a053af3499_1920x1080.jpg more The new pink pussy hat |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:02:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66: It would be an existential mistake. Right now they are attacking the "colonizers" of what they call occupied Palestine. For many in the Arab and Muslim worlds the civilians killed on 7 Oct and in other less spectacular attacks are legitimate targets. That couldn't be said about killing civilians here in the US. Maybe a "lone wolf" type does something but Hamas itself won't. Don't you think that "decolonization" theory (CRT) via the global left has achieved a startling and remarkable accomplishment in binding together the anti-American interests of western secularist Marxists otherwise highly incompatible with those of jihadist Islamists along with any "resistance" group that seeks the dismantling and destruction of the US, Europe, and Israel? Aren't the Islamists emboldened by the demoralization and support they've achieved here and in Europe? They and their conquered college campuses and increasingly powerful American self-haters they churn out into positions of influence will tell you North America is colonized land just like how they see "Palestine" and they will see Americans as a legitimate target for the same reasons. Ask yourself - what would it take to see mass deportations of illegal migrants and green card types who openly hate and oppose and work against everything about the US? What would it take for our institutions and media to turn on jihadists in our midst and shift their ire to them instead of conservative / right wing traditional Americans? |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:21:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackFox: Agreed. Americans are like a dysfunctional family (always infighting, and undermining each other) - until there is an external threat that unites us. Previous world wars and 9/11 galvanized the American people like never before. I think a Hamas sponsored attack against children on US soil would dramatically increase the chances of the US opening the can. This country has reached a point of division that nothing that happen now will galvanize us. Hell even 9-11 soon showed how divided we are as a nation. 
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:24:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: I believe that they all will hunted and killed just like the Nazis were after WWII Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By SoCalExile: Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By Cypher15: They thought everyone else in the mideast would join Hamas in killing Israelis...oopsie.. That's true, and in that case they failed to coordinate with their fellow "axis of resistance" friends. They have to be freaking out about how out of control this is for them. I doubt that. Hamas leadership doesn’t reside in Gaza. Hamas is bigger than Gaza and will not be destroyed even if the entire strip is razed. Hamas is likely getting more cash and resources than it has in ages, it’s just not going to Gaza right now. Hamas leadership and their propaganda teams will be all over the Islamic world showing how the evil Jew treats poor Muslims, leveraging the Koran for all its worth highlighting texts about aiding fellow Muslims. You know it’s going to be successful because Hamas is one of the few groups not really bound by Sunni or Shia dogmas. Hamas is technically Sunni but Iran heavily supports them which pressures Sunni states like Saudi Arabia to do so. Even Turkey is floating ideas of aid to Gaza. I see this likely that Hamas become a more international group that still is the primary insurgent for Israel in Gaza. I believe that they all will hunted and killed just like the Nazis were after WWII Agreed. The gloves are off for Israel. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:25:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: *Edit - Video could be staged by Hamas dressed up as Israeli soldiers.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKzi9XjZVno |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:31:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: This country has reached a point of division that nothing that happen now will galvanize us. Hell even 9-11 soon showed how divided we are as a nation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By BlackFox: Agreed. Americans are like a dysfunctional family (always infighting, and undermining each other) - until there is an external threat that unites us. Previous world wars and 9/11 galvanized the American people like never before. I think a Hamas sponsored attack against children on US soil would dramatically increase the chances of the US opening the can. This country has reached a point of division that nothing that happen now will galvanize us. Hell even 9-11 soon showed how divided we are as a nation. Shtick and sideshows. Local politics is an American hobby, like sports. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:33:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By texashomeserver: That sounds eerily like a Israeli intelligence assessment, on October 5. Agreed. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:36:50 PM EST
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:39:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Billy_Ringo: Agreed. The American blowback would be massive. All the cute/cuddly feelings Hamas is receiving from segments of the US and world population would cease to exist. Biden, with an impending election, would be forced to take a strong stand by supporting Israel and directly leveraging US military assets where appropriate. Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah/etc. don't want to rattle the U.S. cage any more than it already has. The left would openly cheer for an attack on the US. They would come up with dozens of different reasons why we deserved it. The stories that would be run in the media would be about how we need to be more gentle with the world and how "right extremism" is really to blame. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:39:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: This country has reached a point of division that nothing that happen now will galvanize us. Hell even 9-11 soon showed how divided we are as a nation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By BlackFox: Agreed. Americans are like a dysfunctional family (always infighting, and undermining each other) - until there is an external threat that unites us. Previous world wars and 9/11 galvanized the American people like never before. I think a Hamas sponsored attack against children on US soil would dramatically increase the chances of the US opening the can. This country has reached a point of division that nothing that happen now will galvanize us. Hell even 9-11 soon showed how divided we are as a nation. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:42:34 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile: Two IDF warriors catching a short rest before heading back to the battle. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177432/photo_2023-11-13_12-22-41_jpg-3026324.JPG I hope doggo wakes up nice and hungry. 
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:42:47 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: And Munich. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By SoCalExile: Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By Cypher15: They thought everyone else in the mideast would join Hamas in killing Israelis...oopsie.. That's true, and in that case they failed to coordinate with their fellow "axis of resistance" friends. They have to be freaking out about how out of control this is for them. I doubt that. Hamas leadership doesn’t reside in Gaza. Hamas is bigger than Gaza and will not be destroyed even if the entire strip is razed. Hamas is likely getting more cash and resources than it has in ages, it’s just not going to Gaza right now. Hamas leadership and their propaganda teams will be all over the Islamic world showing how the evil Jew treats poor Muslims, leveraging the Koran for all its worth highlighting texts about aiding fellow Muslims. You know it’s going to be successful because Hamas is one of the few groups not really bound by Sunni or Shia dogmas. Hamas is technically Sunni but Iran heavily supports them which pressures Sunni states like Saudi Arabia to do so. Even Turkey is floating ideas of aid to Gaza. I see this likely that Hamas become a more international group that still is the primary insurgent for Israel in Gaza. I believe that they all will hunted and killed just like the Nazis were after WWII And Munich. Yep |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:46:48 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harvath: The left would openly cheer for an attack on the US. They would come up with dozens of different reasons why we deserved it. The stories that would be run in the media would be about how we need to be more gentle with the world and how "right extremism" is really to blame. It would be run exactly that way and it would be immensely successful. All the premises are and have been there now. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:47:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Piratepast40: Ross Chastain fan? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Piratepast40: Originally Posted By texashomeserver: https://media.kvue.com/assets/KVUE/images/acd5206f-9d16-49c5-bf21-d48a5a150259/acd5206f-9d16-49c5-bf21-d48a5a150259_1920x1080.jpg Ross Chastain fan? Possibly; however, I don't think she is from Alva, Florida! 
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:47:55 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Loki41872: If 9-11 didn't make us eradicate Islam from the US, nothing will. From what I've seen, 9-11 was a strategic victory for Islam. Instead of removing the threat, we bent over backwards to let MORE of it in, at a record pace. The only galvanizing after the next one will be The Left tripling down on "Not all Muslims, no hate here!", and increasing harassment of white conservatives. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Loki41872: Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By BlackFox: Agreed. Americans are like a dysfunctional family (always infighting, and undermining each other) - until there is an external threat that unites us. Previous world wars and 9/11 galvanized the American people like never before. I think a Hamas sponsored attack against children on US soil would dramatically increase the chances of the US opening the can. This country has reached a point of division that nothing that happen now will galvanize us. Hell even 9-11 soon showed how divided we are as a nation. That is just what I was thinking. The more they attack, the harder we suck their dicks. Hell even servicemen coming back from Afghanistan wearing their inbred fucking headcloths. Fuck those goatherders and their culture. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:55:27 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dashender: Don't you think that "decolonization" theory (CRT) via the global left has achieved a startling and remarkable accomplishment in binding together the anti-American interests of western secularist Marxists otherwise highly incompatible with those of jihadist Islamists along with any "resistance" group that seeks the dismantling and destruction of the US, Europe, and Israel? They have indeed woven quite the evil little quilt, haven't they? They overlay these narratives onto anything they choose to undermine, which all have at their core, the rot of Marxism: - Oppressor vs oppressed - Sexual and racial identity is paramount, with accompanying summary assignment of guilt based upon these checkboxes - European and Western values as inherently bad and oppressive as the opening assumption - Colonization is evil (see items 1 and 2, above) Which results in thinking processes like: - Capitalism is tool of the oppressor - European and Western values as inherently oppressive - All cultures are equal - But "indigenous" cultures are more equal. This either means (was there first, kinda sorta, or it means the people with the darker skin) - It's taken for granted that equity means same outcome, regardless of ability, effort, or education - Any culture perceived as "underdog", i.e. with lesser technology or societal development, is automatically oppressed (see: palestinians) We all thought it was laughably stupid when they started screeching about their CRT, and everything was expressed in terms of racism, even things to which that term could not possibly apply. Academia has been a fucking cult for a long time, and enough time has passed that a lot of people will willingly parrot lies, even if they only vaguely think something feels off or uncomfortable. Truly, 1984. They are simpletons, but they are dangerous simpletons, driven by emotion and rage, and a true belief that their little Marxist dystopia will mean they finally get what they want. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:58:16 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Solo_: You're brilliantly right and I am not being sarcastic. It would be run exactly that way and it would be immensely successful. All the premises are and have been there now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Solo_: Originally Posted By Harvath: The left would openly cheer for an attack on the US. They would come up with dozens of different reasons why we deserved it. The stories that would be run in the media would be about how we need to be more gentle with the world and how "right extremism" is really to blame. It would be run exactly that way and it would be immensely successful. All the premises are and have been there now. The media really is our number one enemy, the power they wield to target anyone they see as a threat and move the public opinion against that person or group is terrifying. Nothing will change for the better until the media is overhauled. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:58:46 PM EST
[#45]
Iran state news posting missile junk on their front pages https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/11/13/714526/Iran-IRGC-Hajizadeh-US-Israel-Gaza-resistance-fighters-threats-power-
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Posted: 11/13/2023 2:07:17 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: I doubt that. Hamas leadership doesn’t reside in Gaza. Hamas is bigger than Gaza and will not be destroyed even if the entire strip is razed. Hamas is likely getting more cash and resources than it has in ages, it’s just not going to Gaza right now. Hamas leadership and their propaganda teams will be all over the Islamic world showing how the evil Jew treats poor Muslims, leveraging the Koran for all its worth highlighting texts about aiding fellow Muslims. You know it’s going to be successful because Hamas is one of the few groups not really bound by Sunni or Shia dogmas. Hamas is technically Sunni but Iran heavily supports them which pressures Sunni states like Saudi Arabia to do so. Even Turkey is floating ideas of aid to Gaza. I see this likely that Hamas become a more international group that still is the primary insurgent for Israel in Gaza. You'll notice that Ismail Haniyeh fled Qatar to the relative safe haven of Iran. He knew he was no longer safe in Qatar. I think what you will find is that over the next decade or so, Israel will hunt down every one of the leadership and likely everyone who participated. Just as they did after the 1972 Munich massacre. Every one of them is a target. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 2:07:34 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike:
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Posted: 11/13/2023 2:10:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Iran state news posting missile junk on their front pages https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/11/13/714526/Iran-IRGC-Hajizadeh-US-Israel-Gaza-resistance-fighters-threats-power- https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_8518_jpeg-3026403.JPG Warning: They are prepared to go Nuclear |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 2:12:58 PM EST
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Posted: 11/13/2023 2:13:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: That religion is an evil mess, kill or convert Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By Flyer5: Why the Middle East's Borders Guarantee Forever Wars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN4mnVLP0rUI don't know, maybe it's because their religion tells them to kill everyone that's not them until the end of time. That may have something to do with their borders being dangerous .wherever they are at. Agree. |
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