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Originally Posted By michigan66: Why Is Osama Bin Laden Going Viral on TikTok? Highlights Tik Tok comments: Entire Article Click To View Spoiler If anything is popular right now, it’s the Y2K vibe. Callbacks to the aughts are the pinnacle of style: Samsung is making flip phones, tops are getting more cropped and high schoolers look like they walked out of a dELiA*s catalog. Also, Osama bin Laden is going viral on TikTok. Video after video shows people reacting to the Al-Qaida founder’s post-9/11 “Letter to America,” claiming that it all makes sense, that they now know he was right and that perhaps the worst attack on American soil is just holding the state accountable for its actions abroad – and, of course, for Israeli aggression. After The Guardian took the text of bin Laden’s letter off its site, posts to the platform of the text itself are garnering thousands of likes. I checked TikTok to make sure this is, indeed, the discourse. (I have an account myself, and love using the slang I learn there to torture my Gen Z brother.) After reading so many glowing reviews, I decided to read the letter myself. After all, unlike a lot of the people posting about its content, I was at an age of sentience during 9/11 and its aftermath. Of course, the letter dovetails well with current events. Large chunks of it are dedicated to bolstering the Palestinian cause, which has earned it many fans. “The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone” caught my eye as a particularly visceral, punchy line. It would do numbers on X, as would other claims about American human rights violations and hypocrisy.
View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By michigan66: Why Is Osama Bin Laden Going Viral on TikTok? Highlights Osama bin Laden is going viral on TikTok. Video after video shows people reacting to the Al-Qaida founder’s post-9/11 “Letter to America,” claiming that it all makes sense, that they now know he was right and that perhaps the worst attack on American soil is just holding the state accountable for its actions abroad – and, of course, for Israeli aggression. ...the letter dovetails well with current events. Large chunks of it are dedicated to bolstering the Palestinian cause, which has earned it many fans. “The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone” caught my eye as a particularly visceral, punchy line. We’ve seen the rise of conspiracies for years on the right and left alike, aided and enflamed by social media. But to see politically engaged youth lionizing the guy who literally did 9/11 while nodding along to naked, eliminationist antisemitism makes me wonder what the America they’re in charge of will look like. We can only hope that, like tearing down signs of kidnapped children and Hamas apologism, such sentiments are part of a fleeting microtrend. Tik Tok comments: “In reading the letter, I could only think of this tweet that I saw the other day,” one user declared, quoting a post on X which appeared to justify the October 7 attack on Israel. “Under settler colonialism, any kind of resistance is branded as terrorist because the only acceptable violence is violence by the occupier.” “It’s actually so mind f***king to me that terrorism has been sold as this idea to the American people and honestly just so many Western inhabitants within certain nations that this group of people, this random group of people, just suddenly wakes up one day and just f***king hates you…like that is the root of terrorism,” another stated. “It doesn’t make sense… reading this letter, it becomes apparent to me that the actions of 9/11 and those acts committed against the USA and its people were the build up of our government failing other nations.” Entire Article Click To View Spoiler If anything is popular right now, it’s the Y2K vibe. Callbacks to the aughts are the pinnacle of style: Samsung is making flip phones, tops are getting more cropped and high schoolers look like they walked out of a dELiA*s catalog. Also, Osama bin Laden is going viral on TikTok. Video after video shows people reacting to the Al-Qaida founder’s post-9/11 “Letter to America,” claiming that it all makes sense, that they now know he was right and that perhaps the worst attack on American soil is just holding the state accountable for its actions abroad – and, of course, for Israeli aggression. After The Guardian took the text of bin Laden’s letter off its site, posts to the platform of the text itself are garnering thousands of likes. I checked TikTok to make sure this is, indeed, the discourse. (I have an account myself, and love using the slang I learn there to torture my Gen Z brother.) After reading so many glowing reviews, I decided to read the letter myself. After all, unlike a lot of the people posting about its content, I was at an age of sentience during 9/11 and its aftermath. Of course, the letter dovetails well with current events. Large chunks of it are dedicated to bolstering the Palestinian cause, which has earned it many fans. “The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone” caught my eye as a particularly visceral, punchy line. It would do numbers on X, as would other claims about American human rights violations and hypocrisy.
Weird that all these people are on tik tok and not on Twiiter/X? Hmmm…. |
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Originally Posted By Rossi: The "ceasefire" those people have been referring to is to allow Palestinians to leave Gaza? If so, they have to tell their Hamas friends to stop shooting the ones trying to move to Gaza's southern area. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By lil_Sig: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/575474/Screenshot_20231116_224212_Gallery_jpg-3030306.JPG The "ceasefire" those people have been referring to is to allow Palestinians to leave Gaza? If so, they have to tell their Hamas friends to stop shooting the ones trying to move to Gaza's southern area. the ceasefire the libtards want is so that Hamas terrorists stop getting killed. nothing to do with departures IMHO. |
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Originally Posted By Rossi: The "ceasefire" those people have been referring to is to allow Palestinians to leave Gaza? If so, they have to tell their Hamas friends to stop shooting the ones trying to move to Gaza's southern area. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By lil_Sig: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/575474/Screenshot_20231116_224212_Gallery_jpg-3030306.JPG The "ceasefire" those people have been referring to is to allow Palestinians to leave Gaza? If so, they have to tell their Hamas friends to stop shooting the ones trying to move to Gaza's southern area. It was a garbage thing the leftists around the world came up with to give Hamas time to remove evidence and reposition. People in N Gaza were given ample notice and time to evacuate south. What I think may be happening and will have to be dealt with is Hamas moving south along with people fleeing and the south of Gaza will be a shit show. Hamas are cowards and don't want a direct fight with the IDF or at least not without a lot of 'civilians' dying in the process. |
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Originally Posted By BM1455:
View Quote "Israel is determined to destroy Hamas, and a ceasefire isn't going to stop them from achieving this goal." Yep. Hamas done f*cked around and found out. They got no where to hide...... |
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Originally Posted By 86Tiger: "Israel is determined to destroy Hamas, and a ceasefire isn't going to stop them from achieving this goal." Yep. Hamas done f*cked around and found out. They got no where to hide...... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 86Tiger: Originally Posted By BM1455:
"Israel is determined to destroy Hamas, and a ceasefire isn't going to stop them from achieving this goal." Yep. Hamas done f*cked around and found out. They got no where to hide...... They might decide to go after Hez as well after they get done with Hamas/Gaza. If that happens will Iran keep status quo or will they escalate? Some people/countries might do some shrieking about it on the world stage but at this point too many have seen that the UN is worthless at preventing conflict or stopping aggressors. Seems the world is moving back in the direction of 'might means right' for a bit. |
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Originally Posted By neshomamench: Oy vey. Ashkanazi is an ethnicity. (Most Jews in the US that have centuries of diaspora living in northern and Eastern Europe and Russia. Rabbinic, and Orthdoxy are a style of worship and are the same thing. (What the Christian world would know as the Pharisees. Jesus grew up in and was a Pharisee) Hasidic is a group of sects of Ashkanazi Orthodox Jews. They are the religiously the same as any other orthodox group. They just have some of their own customs they keep. They are also a fairly new sect having started about 400 years ago. Unlike most of the orthodox groups their leadership is dynastic. As an FYI, in the US, the orthodox are right leaning. Literally Republican voters. (When they have the choice) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By neshomamench: Originally Posted By brass: Is the Ashkenazi vs Rabbinic vs Hasidic vs Orthodox sects have anything to do with it? I know there's a huge range of people that are "Jewish" from being nearly atheists to ultra conservative groups and areas of towns. I don't know if that is a split for them becoming "white" though, maybe just "white" is used by them to be "Supports the US or is supported by the US" Oy vey. Ashkanazi is an ethnicity. (Most Jews in the US that have centuries of diaspora living in northern and Eastern Europe and Russia. Rabbinic, and Orthdoxy are a style of worship and are the same thing. (What the Christian world would know as the Pharisees. Jesus grew up in and was a Pharisee) Hasidic is a group of sects of Ashkanazi Orthodox Jews. They are the religiously the same as any other orthodox group. They just have some of their own customs they keep. They are also a fairly new sect having started about 400 years ago. Unlike most of the orthodox groups their leadership is dynastic. As an FYI, in the US, the orthodox are right leaning. Literally Republican voters. (When they have the choice) @neshomamench Thanks for clarifications. Those are just some of the labels of groups I've seen thrown around as "good guys" and "liberal guys" and "not even Jewish" groups. I'm all confused on his "Zionist" crap and it seems to me that the "Zionist usurpers" are mostly non-Jews in the US and worldwide implementing the real one world .gov and aren't even aware they're part of the "Zionist Plot" aka "Illuminati", Jews are just the scapegoat. They blame everything on them and continue to implement the plans, mostly fascist communist in nature. |
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Originally Posted By brass: @neshomamench Thanks for clarifications. Those are just some of the labels of groups I've seen thrown around as "good guys" and "liberal guys" and "not even Jewish" groups. I'm all confused on his "Zionist" crap and it seems to me that the "Zionist usurpers" are mostly non-Jews in the US and worldwide implementing the real one world .gov and aren't even aware they're part of the "Zionist Plot" aka "Illuminati", Jews are just the scapegoat. They blame everything on them and continue to implement the plans, mostly fascist communist in nature. View Quote "Zionism" is the anglicized (latinized and hellinized...) transliteration of the Hebrew word "Tzion" which is in the Hebrew Bible (the "Old Testament") about 150 times. It literally is "Jerusalem" Here is a really good example of how to say it in Hebrew. (there is a "t" sound) Tzion tzion tzion Jonathan Settel So, yes "Modern Zionism" is a political movement. You can google it to find various understandings on "modern Zionism" but....most of those understandings are from 100 or more years ago. They were theoretical. They do not capture the modern reality of the nation of of Israel. Those that want to confuse the topic will point out the academic (theoretical) thoughts of people from before the current nation of Israel existed. Some were fairly Marxist. Yet, it is important to understand that Marxism really was a better system than being Jewish in Tsarist Russia. Most of us now realize that there are better systems than Marxism, but to a Jew, living under the absolute despotic rule of a tyrant like the Tsar, Marxism was better, and it ended up being better. Those of us in the U.S. have a hard time with this. Because we see Marxism as a horrible thing....and to us, it is. But is was a lot better than life under the Tsar. Lots of shit and details....but fast forward to today. You have the modern nation of Israel. It is thriving. It is, by many measures, doing spectacular. It is a quasi capitalist country with some strong socialistic leanings. It is a secular country, with a minority religious population. (most of the Jews in Israel are secular leaning) It works for them. It aint perfect. Some shit sucks, but socially, it is more free than even the US in some ways. In some ways, not so much. They also have a fairly unique problem. They will (must) take all Jews who show up. Who often do, "en masse" and with nothing. (some country has a problem and all the Jews flee to israel, often with nothing....that gets expensive, but Israel pulls it off, even though it happens over and over again) It is the only Jewish nation on the planet. The reality of that. is modern "Zionism" and deep support of the nation of Israel. Not specifically its politics at any given time, just the idea of a Jewish homeland. Specific to the U.S. The "Orthodox" (yes, even the guys with the hats and beards) are mostly right leaning. This group "mostly" supports the modern nation of Israel. The "Reform" and secular tend to be left leaning. Many....perhaps more than half, of this group also support the modern nation of Israel (but tend to not like the Orthodox) So, you have liberals and conservatives that both support the modern nation of Israel and that is the state of "Zionism" today. |
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Originally Posted By neshomamench: Hebrew word "Tzion" View Quote “The etymology of the word Zion (ṣiyôn) is uncertain. Mentioned in the Old Testament in the Books of Samuel (2 Samuel 5:7) as the name of a Jebusite fortress conquered by David, its origin seems to predate the Israelites. If Semitic, it may be derived from the Hebrew root ṣiyyôn ("castle") or the Hebrew צִיָּה ṣiyya ("dry land" or "desert", Jeremiah 51:43). A non-Semitic relationship to the Hurrian word šeya ("river" or "brook") has also been suggested as also one of Hittite origin.” Words are neat. |
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Newsweek runs a story literally promoting a letter by Osama bin Laden justifying 9/11 in the grounds of US support for Israel. Quotes "youth" as saying "he was right" and calling it "mind blowing".
Link intentionally left cold. www.newsweek.com/bin-laden-letter-us-stuns-young-americans-he-was-right-1844234 |
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Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Newsweek runs a story literally promoting a letter by Osama bin Laden justifying 9/11 in the grounds of US support for Israel. Quotes "youth" as saying "he was right" and calling it "mind blowing". Link intentionally left cold. www.newsweek.com/bin-laden-letter-us-stuns-young-americans-he-was-right-1844234 View Quote ya the bin laden thing was discussed here yesterday in last couple pages |
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Originally Posted By Veccio: It doesn't appear they have any intention of slowing down, Bibi probably wants to finish things. The hostages are most likely dead. Once they get done with N Gaza they might take another bite out of the rest of the strip. They might decide to go after Hez as well after they get done with Hamas/Gaza. If that happens will Iran keep status quo or will they escalate? Some people/countries might do some shrieking about it on the world stage but at this point too many have seen that the UN is worthless at preventing conflict or stopping aggressors. Seems the world is moving back in the direction of 'might means right' for a bit. View Quote It never strayed from it in the first place. |
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Originally Posted By Veccio: It doesn't appear they have any intention of slowing down, Bibi probably wants to finish things. The hostages are most likely dead. Once they get done with N Gaza they might take another bite out of the rest of the strip. They might decide to go after Hez as well after they get done with Hamas/Gaza. If that happens will Iran keep status quo or will they escalate? Some people/countries might do some shrieking about it on the world stage but at this point too many have seen that the UN is worthless at preventing conflict or stopping aggressors. Seems the world is moving back in the direction of 'might means right' for a bit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Veccio: Originally Posted By 86Tiger: Originally Posted By BM1455:
"Israel is determined to destroy Hamas, and a ceasefire isn't going to stop them from achieving this goal." Yep. Hamas done f*cked around and found out. They got no where to hide...... They might decide to go after Hez as well after they get done with Hamas/Gaza. If that happens will Iran keep status quo or will they escalate? Some people/countries might do some shrieking about it on the world stage but at this point too many have seen that the UN is worthless at preventing conflict or stopping aggressors. Seems the world is moving back in the direction of 'might means right' for a bit. ain't that the truth. when this kicked off, the UN peacekeepers retreated to base because it was getting too spicy, i recall. I think that was the west bank, or lebanon. all kind of a blurr now. |
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Haaretz | Israel News Israel-Hamas War Day 42 | Seven Palestinians Killed in Clashes With IDF in West Bank; Hezbollah Fires at North Nov 17, 2023
Hundreds participate in funeral of fallen soldier Noa Marciano, who was killed in Hamas captivity ■ Seven Palestinians killed in Jenin, Hebron ■ Netanyahu blames Hamas for Israel's 'unsuccessful' efforts to minimize civilian deaths in Gaza ■ Blinken: U.S. told Netanyahu Israel cannot reoccupy Gaza ■ At least 1,200 civilians and soldiers killed since October 7; 239 hostages held in Gaza ■ Hamas-controlled health ministry: 11,240 killed Hundreds participate in funeral of fallen soldier Noa Marciano, who was killed in Hamas captivity IDF kills five Hamas members in Jenin refugee camp, West Bank IDF locates Hamas' heavy artillery in overnight Gaza operation Netanyahu blames Hamas for Israel's 'unsuccessful' efforts to minimize civilian deaths in Gaza RECAP: IDF starts 'next phase' of ground operation as Gaza hospital raid continues View Quote Terrorism Information Center Update 16 November Judea and Samaria: Palestinian terrorists carried out a shooting attack at at the Tunnel Crossing in Jerusalem. Seven people were injured, one of them fatally. The terrorists were shot and killed by Israeli security forces. The terrorists apparently planned to carry out a much larger attack in Jerusalem. View Quote Institute Study of War Backgrounder 16 November Israeli forces continued reconnaissance operations in al Shifa Hospital to uncover Hamas military infrastructure, according to the IDF. Israel uncovered a tunnel shaft and weapons during operations there, which is consistent with Israel’s repeated assertions that Hamas uses humanitarian infrastructure for military activities. The United States reemphasized that Hamas used al Shifa Hospital as a command node, citing its own intelligence. Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said the IDF has completed the capture and clearing of western Gaza City and that the “next phase has begun,” which is consistent with Israeli advances toward eastern Gaza City. Israel dropped leaflets on four communities east of Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip asking civilians to evacuate. Palestinian fighters attacked Israeli forces 16 times in the West Bank. The Israeli police said that it foiled an attempted Hamas terror attack near Jerusalem. Iranian-backed fighters, including Lebanese Hezbollah, conducted 11 cross-border attacks into northern Israel. The Islamic Resistance in Iraq—a coalition of Iranian-backed Iraqi militias—did not claim any attacks on US forces in the Middle East on November 16. Unspecified Iranian-backed militants conducted two rocket attacks on a US base in eastern Syria, according to Axis of Resistance-affiliated and local media. Iranian-backed Iraqi militia Kataib Hezbollah (KH) issued a statement threatening the United States. Iranian officials and state media refuted Western reports that Iran will not “directly” enter the Israel-Hamas war, likely to reassure other Axis of Resistance members of Iran’s continued support for them. Iran is exploiting the Western media framing that Iran is not already involved in the war, which is unintentionally obfuscating the role Iran is already playing. View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Washingtin Post: Failure at the fence: How Israel’s vaunted ‘Iron Wall’ crumbled (Video at Link)
On Oct. 7, Hamas exploited vulnerabilities created by Israel’s reliance on technology at the “Iron Wall” to carry out the deadliest single assault in Israel’s history. The video details how Hamas fighters neutralized long-range cameras, sophisticated sensors and remote-control weapons — a tactic known inside the group as the “blinding plan” — to breach the high-tech fence. Israel’s military said a high-tech upgrade finished in December 2021 to the barrier that had long surrounded the Gaza Strip would protect nearby Israeli residents from the threat of violence from militants. Article: Click To View Spoiler In December 2021, Israel’s military said a high-tech upgrade to the barrier that had long surrounded the Gaza Strip would protect nearby Israeli residents from the threat of violence from militants.
“Today there is an obstacle, both underground and above, with advanced measures, that will prevent entry into Israel in the best possible way,” Brig. Gen. Eran Ofir, who led the project, said in remarks addressed to communities in range of Hamas rockets. The upgrade cost $1 billion and took three years to complete. But this Washington Post video shows how on Oct. 7, Hamas exploited vulnerabilities created by Israel’s reliance on technology at the “Iron Wall” to carry out the deadliest single assault in Israel’s history. The video details how Hamas fighters neutralized long-range cameras, sophisticated sensors and remote-control weapons — a tactic known inside the group as the “blinding plan” — to breach the high-tech fence. The video can be viewed in the player at the top of this page. The Post reconstructed the attack by analyzing hundreds of videos and photos posted online, including visuals filmed on Oct. 7 and during preparations by Hamas fighters. We reviewed videos and audio recorded on body cameras worn by militants, scoured footage from Israeli security cameras and spoke to witnesses. We also examined maps and planning documents recovered from slain Hamas fighters. As our examination reveals, The Post found footage showing 14 separate breaches of the barrier. By comparing the footage with maps, satellite imagery and other data, reporters pinpointed where the intrusions occurred — from the Erez crossing in the north to Kerem Shalom in the south. Israel said there were around 30 breaches in all. Training videos showing militants attacking mock-ups of Israeli compounds had been posted to social media months earlier and were visible to all. We found that Hamas had also been expanding its training camps for several years, activity that is visible in widely available online maps. The Post geolocated those camps using terrain and other distinctive features that could be seen in the training videos. Videos posted to social media after the attack began showed that Hamas fighters had been training for months on the tactics it used to breach the fence. Yet Israel’s security establishment misjudged Hamas’s intentions, according to analysts. Officials believed that the group, which controls Gaza’s government, did not want war. Israel’s military had recently directed much of its attention — and shifted some of its troops — toward unrest in the occupied West Bank. “We didn’t believe that Hamas had this capability, and so we didn’t see it coming,” Charles Freilich, a former deputy national security adviser in Israel, told The Post in an interview. The Israel Defense Forces declined to respond to questions submitted by The Post for this story, saying that it would answer them “after the war.” The office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is under pressure to resign because of the security and intelligence failure, also declined to comment. Press play on the video at the top of this page to see how the fence failed. Chris Dehghanpoor, Loveday Morris, Shira Rubin, Jon Gerberg, Samuel Granados, Lauren Tierney, Artur Galocha, and Aaron Steckleberg contributed to this report. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By michigan66:
View Quote I don't care what is shown, I seen all I needed on Oct 7th. Carry on Israel. |
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Originally Posted By AZ_M1: This is what I am thinking. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AZ_M1: Originally Posted By Brawndo: Palis won't need to rebuild as they aren't getting North Gaza back. This is what I am thinking. As they should not. Intentionally or just by plain passive and appeasement behavior, Palestinians allowed Hamas to be what it is today. If someone's neighbor breeds dogs that keep invading their yard and attacking their family, someone will take some action. Or, if Israel ever returns North Gaza to the Palestinians, it will be under many conditions and very close surveillance. |
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Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Newsweek runs a story literally promoting a letter by Osama bin Laden justifying 9/11 in the grounds of US support for Israel. Quotes "youth" as saying "he was right" and calling it "mind blowing". Link intentionally left cold. www.newsweek.com/bin-laden-letter-us-stuns-young-americans-he-was-right-1844234 View Quote If you would have told me 20 years ago all this 2021-2023 stuff I would have thought it was BS remarkable where we are 20 years later https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/2-years-withdrawal-afghanistan-continues-cast-pall-biden/story?id=102837216 |
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Deckard “nobody wants to know the truth, nobody” Cobra Kai Johnny Lawrence “she’s hot and all those other things” Tucker Carlson 1/10/2018 “I used to be a liberatarian until Google”https://mobile.twitter.com/Henry_Gunn
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Originally Posted By CzechMate5: Already deleted off Twitter View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CzechMate5: Originally Posted By BM1455:
Already deleted off Twitter "Freedom of speech but not freedom of reach." |
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Originally Posted By 3one5: ...and they gladly did so. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 3one5: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Load up people in the boxcar they said. ...and they gladly did so. "Just following orders." Don't come later complaining about being replaced by drones and robots. |
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Originally Posted By RUM: The Israelis have a solid track record of targeted retribution. I wouldn’t bet on any individual involved in Oct. 7 living a long and happy life. I hope that goes for the “journalist” that were embedded with them as well. View Quote It's already been made clear that those journalist are dead men walking. |
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Jerusalem Post: With mapping robots and blast gel, Israel wages war on Hamas tunnels (Warning--lots of pop-ups)
Tunnels stretch hundreds of kilometers under Gaza, Israel says Israeli hostages are held in some tunnels After locating what they described as the entrance to a Hamas tunnel under an evacuated hospital in northern Gaza, Israeli army engineers filled the passage with exploding gel and hit the detonator. The blast engulfed the building and sent smoke spewing out of at least three points along a nearby road in a district of the city of Beit Hanoun, surveillance footage showed. "The gel spread out and exploded whatever they had been waiting for us in the tunnel". When not using munitions to map out the bunkers, access shafts and tunnels the army opts for tracker robots and other technology operated remotely. In Beit Hanoun some gunmen had stormed the Israeli military from tunnel shafts and had been killed. Israel's policy is not to send personnel in the other direction to confront Palestinian fighters who would have a defender's advantage in narrow, dark, under-ventilated and collapsible passages with which they were familiar. Hamas left lot of side-bombs in the tunnels.One such bomb, rigged to the cover of a tunnel-access shaft at ground level, had killed four special forces reservists last week. Hamas has tunnels for attack, smuggling and storage, security sources say. Dozens of shafts can lead to each tunnel at depths of between 20 and 80 meters (65-260 feet). Destroying a shaft is relatively easy and quick, the officer said, adding: "Any platoon can do it." The Israeli military said last week that 130 shafts had been destroyed so far, but gave no figure for demolished tunnels. The tunnels are harder to tackle. The officer said several ton of the exploding gel, that is brought in by truck, are required for every few hundred meters of tunnel. View Quote Entire Article: Click To View Spoiler After locating what they described as the entrance to a Hamas tunnel under an evacuated hospital in northern Gaza, Israeli army engineers filled the passage with exploding gel and hit the detonator. The blast engulfed the building and sent smoke spewing out of at least three points along a nearby road in a district of the city of Beit Hanoun, surveillance footage showed. "The gel spread out and exploded whatever they had been waiting for us in the tunnel," an army officer told eporters at a briefing at Zeelim Ground Forces Base in southern Israel. Clearing the tunnels is an important part of Israel's military campaign against Hamas in the Gaza Strip in response to the Hamas terrorist group's deadly attack on southern Israel on Oct. 7. When not using munitions to map out the bunkers, access shafts and tunnels which both sides say run for hundreds of kilometers (miles) under Gaza, the army opts for tracker robots and other technology operated remotely. The officer could not be identified under the rules of the briefing, and declined to provide further details of below-ground combat which he said was a work in progress. He did not name the hospital in Beit Hanoun. "I think there are other methods being developed," he said. "That is where creativity and innovation come in handy." In Beit Hanoun, where his forces were operating, some gunmen had stormed the Israeli military from tunnel shafts and had been killed, he said. Israel's policy, he said, was not to send personnel in the other direction to confront Palestinian fighters who would have a defender's advantage in narrow, dark, under-ventilated and collapsible passages with which they were familiar. "We don't want to go down there. We know that they left us a lot of side-bombs (improvised explosives devices)," he said. One such bomb, rigged to the cover of a tunnel-access shaft at ground level, had killed four special forces reservists last week. Web of tunnels Hamas has tunnels for attack, smuggling and storage, security sources say. Dozens of shafts can lead to each tunnel at depths of between 20 and 80 meters (65-260 feet). Destroying a shaft is relatively easy and quick, the officer said, adding: "Any platoon can do it." The Israeli military said last week that 130 shafts had been destroyed so far, but gave no figure for demolished tunnels. The tunnels are harder to tackle. The officer said several ton of the exploding gel - on which he declined to give any technical details, other than to say it is brought in by truck - are required for every few hundred meters of tunnel. After-action analysis is difficult. The officer said around half of the shafts in his Beit Hanoun operation zone had been destroyed, but acknowledged that these can be rebuilt. "It's hard to say how many tunnels (are destroyed) because they are all connected," he said. Hamas has denied using hospitals as cover for such tunnels. It has dismissed assertions by Israel that it has a command center under Gaza's biggest hospital, Al Shifa, which Israeli forces entered on Wednesday. Efforts to avoid endangering hostages Hamas took some 240 people back to Gaza as captives in the Oct. 7 attack in which about 1,200 people were killed, Israel has said. One of a handful of hostages released said she and at least two dozen others had been held in a tunnel. The army officer said care was being taken not to endanger tunnels that may contain hostages. "We sometimes get indications that this (a target) might be related to hostages. And then we know not to attack it unless we get an approval (that it is clear)," he said Like much of northern Gaza, Beit Hanoun has been emptied of civilians, who fled south under orders from Israel as it sent in ground troops to try to wipe out Hamas. "The only population left is the terrorists," the officer said, adding that sometimes a secondary explosion set off by a tunnel destruction blast "will bring down a building a few hundred meters away." Hamas terrorists taken captive have provided Israel with intelligence on the tunnel network, he said, but this information has been limited. "Most of them don't know about the whole city. But they know their own village, they know pretty well the tunnel system," the officer said. The officer said it could take months to destroy Gaza's entire underground network. "I think it's more complicated than the New York City subway," he said. Related Tags |
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Originally Posted By _DR: Except in Qatar...apparently. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By _DR: Originally Posted By 86Tiger: "Israel is determined to destroy Hamas, and a ceasefire isn't going to stop them from achieving this goal." Yep. Hamas done f*cked around and found out. They got no where to hide...... Except in Qatar...apparently. Some things take time. |
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Originally Posted By AROKIE: they hate to see there protection leave View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By lil_Sig: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/575474/Screenshot_20231116_224212_Gallery_jpg-3030306.JPG The "ceasefire" those people have been referring to is to allow Palestinians to leave Gaza? If so, they have to tell their Hamas friends to stop shooting the ones trying to move to Gaza's southern area. they hate to see there protection leave Yep. And that makes one question how Israel pausing the bombing would really benefit the Palestinians trying to flee that area, isn't it? |
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Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Newsweek runs a story literally promoting a letter by Osama bin Laden justifying 9/11 in the grounds of US support for Israel. Quotes "youth" as saying "he was right" and calling it "mind blowing". Link intentionally left cold. www.newsweek.com/bin-laden-letter-us-stuns-young-americans-he-was-right-1844234 View Quote Lol, Bin Laden was an “pan-Arab Nationalist”. He wanted the whole Middle East run by Salafists with no Zionists and no outside political influence. His father was a naturalized Saudi, who was actually from Yemen and his mother was Syrian/Lebanese. The whole reason the Saudis and the US initially supported Bin Laden is because he led a faction that fought off the communists in the first Yemeni Civil War in the late 1970’s. Intelligence mis-identified him as an anti-communist when really he was anti-soviet and anti-US interventionist all together. There’s very early interviews from ‘78 where he talks of Pan-Arabian assistance to spread wahabist Islam and self governance…he wasn’t even a international jihadist until he was influenced by Zawahiri and Abdullah Azzam. Anyone who wasn’t an Arab or Persian Sunni zealot nationalist was his enemy. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher15: 47% of black people do not believe it is ok to be white. Some have even clearly stated that decolonization means genocide of lighter skinned folk. It very much includes much of Israel and any light skin country. View Quote I’ve seen a high anti American talking George Washington statues stuff from Democrat {is there any large population non Democrat cities?} inner city youth especially black women as I posted the news articles about more black males breaking from Democrats compared to black females as an example but it’s wild seeing this now applied to international politics. Although it’s e seen conspiracy theories discussed in the black community that make GD pale in comparison. I watched a few more of those videos supporting the letter and more people mostly women and more diversity than just black women chiming in. The rest of this decade is going to be a major shit show and 2024 is likely to go into overdrive |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: If you would have told me 20 years ago all this 2021-2023 stuff I would have thought it was BS remarkable where we are 20 years later https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/2-years-withdrawal-afghanistan-continues-cast-pall-biden/story?id=102837216 View Quote Caveat - I do remember Democrats in 2001 attributing 9/11 to not enough jobs in the Middle East for Muslim military aged males |
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Originally Posted By x248716x: the ceasefire the libtards want is so that Hamas terrorists stop getting killed. nothing to do with departures IMHO. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By x248716x: Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By lil_Sig: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/575474/Screenshot_20231116_224212_Gallery_jpg-3030306.JPG The "ceasefire" those people have been referring to is to allow Palestinians to leave Gaza? If so, they have to tell their Hamas friends to stop shooting the ones trying to move to Gaza's southern area. the ceasefire the libtards want is so that Hamas terrorists stop getting killed. nothing to do with departures IMHO. Originally Posted By Rebel31: Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By lil_Sig: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/575474/Screenshot_20231116_224212_Gallery_jpg-3030306.JPG The "ceasefire" those people have been referring to is to allow Palestinians to leave Gaza? If so, they have to tell their Hamas friends to stop shooting the ones trying to move to Gaza's southern area. It was a garbage thing the leftists around the world came up with to give Hamas time to remove evidence and reposition. People in N Gaza were given ample notice and time to evacuate south. What I think may be happening and will have to be dealt with is Hamas moving south along with people fleeing and the south of Gaza will be a shit show. Hamas are cowards and don't want a direct fight with the IDF or at least not without a lot of 'civilians' dying in the process. True. That's the main point and shows how many people are so easily manipulated, which confirms my comment several pages back that Israel's main problem isn't in Gaza, which it can easily deal with, as we have seen. Israel's problem is outside of it, and spread worldwide, determined to wipe out Israel in order to fulfill its agenda. On top of it, people comment how divided the US is. We do not seem so divided as the Jews, who have factions that appear to support Hamas and what it did in Israel. That's insane. It's also crazy watching so many falling for that propaganda. Putting the Palestinian issue aside for a moment. I do not recall Israel ever doing anything even close to the barbarism and gratuitous indiscriminate violence displayed by Hamas on Oct 7. What's the purpose of that? Try to make Israel answer in kind? Well, it did not. Yet, so many are following that agenda. So, the real problem is outside of Gaza and shows that it can turn against anyone and anything, and reason is non existent. |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/15/iran-advances-nuclear-enrichment-while-still-barring-inspectors-iaea https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_5194_jpeg-3030475.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_5195_jpeg-3030476.JPG View Quote Apparently as I assumed before, team Biden wants to offer consessions to Iran but fears Trump and or Republicans calling him weak leaving only confrontation with Iran as an option which Team Biden is loathe to do https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-11-17/analysis-iran-enriches-more-uranium-as-gaza-war-rages-us-vote-looms Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Rossi: True. That's the main point and shows how many people are so easily manipulated, which confirms my comment several pages back that Israel's main problem isn't in Gaza, which it can easily deal with, as we have seen. Israel's problem is outside of it, and spread worldwide, determined to wipe out Israel in order to fulfill its agenda. On top of it, people comment how divided the US is. We do not seem so divided as the Jews, who have factions that appear to support Hamas and what it did in Israel. That's insane. It's also crazy watching so many falling for that propaganda. Putting the Palestinian issue aside for a moment. I do not recall Israel ever doing anything even close to the barbarism and gratuitous indiscriminate violence displayed by Hamas on Oct 7. What's the purpose of that? Try to make Israel answer in kind? Well, it did not. Yet, so many are following that agenda. So, the real problem is outside of Gaza and shows that it can turn against anyone and anything, and reason is non existent. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By x248716x: Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By lil_Sig: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/575474/Screenshot_20231116_224212_Gallery_jpg-3030306.JPG The "ceasefire" those people have been referring to is to allow Palestinians to leave Gaza? If so, they have to tell their Hamas friends to stop shooting the ones trying to move to Gaza's southern area. the ceasefire the libtards want is so that Hamas terrorists stop getting killed. nothing to do with departures IMHO. Originally Posted By Rebel31: Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By lil_Sig: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/575474/Screenshot_20231116_224212_Gallery_jpg-3030306.JPG The "ceasefire" those people have been referring to is to allow Palestinians to leave Gaza? If so, they have to tell their Hamas friends to stop shooting the ones trying to move to Gaza's southern area. It was a garbage thing the leftists around the world came up with to give Hamas time to remove evidence and reposition. People in N Gaza were given ample notice and time to evacuate south. What I think may be happening and will have to be dealt with is Hamas moving south along with people fleeing and the south of Gaza will be a shit show. Hamas are cowards and don't want a direct fight with the IDF or at least not without a lot of 'civilians' dying in the process. True. That's the main point and shows how many people are so easily manipulated, which confirms my comment several pages back that Israel's main problem isn't in Gaza, which it can easily deal with, as we have seen. Israel's problem is outside of it, and spread worldwide, determined to wipe out Israel in order to fulfill its agenda. On top of it, people comment how divided the US is. We do not seem so divided as the Jews, who have factions that appear to support Hamas and what it did in Israel. That's insane. It's also crazy watching so many falling for that propaganda. Putting the Palestinian issue aside for a moment. I do not recall Israel ever doing anything even close to the barbarism and gratuitous indiscriminate violence displayed by Hamas on Oct 7. What's the purpose of that? Try to make Israel answer in kind? Well, it did not. Yet, so many are following that agenda. So, the real problem is outside of Gaza and shows that it can turn against anyone and anything, and reason is non existent. None of the current conflicts (and not just military) are following anything close to the traditional battle lines we understand historically. What was once clear in terms of sides is muddled by the media as they lie and manipulate the information everyone receives. Just like this subject, because one is Jewish does not guarantee support for Israel, in this conflict or any other. The UKR conflict is the same. The ongoing politically based battles here are another example. In each instance there are people supporting a side to the conflict that defies logic and fact. Homosexuals for Palestine is perhaps the best example of this. This is what happens when people consume an altered version of events and adopt it as their truth. They know that it's different, but have convinced themselves that is because the victor writes history. There is some level of empathy for the "victim" that gets leveraged and underscored constantly such that people get drawn to support them. The lines are blurry and the facts are too. It is all by design to fracture everything and everyone. |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: If you would have told me 20 years ago all this 2021-2023 stuff I would have thought it was BS remarkable where we are 20 years later https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/2-years-withdrawal-afghanistan-continues-cast-pall-biden/story?id=102837216 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Newsweek runs a story literally promoting a letter by Osama bin Laden justifying 9/11 in the grounds of US support for Israel. Quotes "youth" as saying "he was right" and calling it "mind blowing". Link intentionally left cold. www.newsweek.com/bin-laden-letter-us-stuns-young-americans-he-was-right-1844234 If you would have told me 20 years ago all this 2021-2023 stuff I would have thought it was BS remarkable where we are 20 years later https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/2-years-withdrawal-afghanistan-continues-cast-pall-biden/story?id=102837216 If anyone told me 20 years ago that we would be going through the stuff we are experiencing today I would call the mental health crew on them. Sometimes it feels like in a nightmare I cannot wake up. |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Caveat - I do remember Democrats in 2001 attributing 9/11 to not enough jobs in the Middle East for Muslim military aged males View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: If you would have told me 20 years ago all this 2021-2023 stuff I would have thought it was BS remarkable where we are 20 years later https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/2-years-withdrawal-afghanistan-continues-cast-pall-biden/story?id=102837216 Caveat - I do remember Democrats in 2001 attributing 9/11 to not enough jobs in the Middle East for Muslim military aged males Democrats also attributed Benghazi to an obscure YouTube video. |
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Originally Posted By Rossi: Democrats also attributed Benghazi to an obscure YouTube video. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: If you would have told me 20 years ago all this 2021-2023 stuff I would have thought it was BS remarkable where we are 20 years later https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/2-years-withdrawal-afghanistan-continues-cast-pall-biden/story?id=102837216 Caveat - I do remember Democrats in 2001 attributing 9/11 to not enough jobs in the Middle East for Muslim military aged males Democrats also attributed Benghazi to an obscure YouTube video. |
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Originally Posted By Rossi: If anyone told me 20 years ago that we would be going through the stuff we are experiencing today I would call the mental health crew on them. Sometimes it feels like in a nightmare I cannot wake up. View Quote Not to derail thread but yeah even well beyond international stuff - having grown up in the very late 70s into the 80s I barely recognize the USA today. To avoid a thread slide I will say Qatar hasn’t changed much https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231014-qatar-iran-turkey-and-beyond-the-galaxy-of-hamas-supporters |
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Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Same group of morons that blame a lack of jobs for inner-city crime too. View Quote Apparently military service isn’t appealing despite all the pandering for over a decade Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By AZNetEng: We have all seen instances in the last few years that were smaller versions of what Israel is experiencing in the media and society. While it remains disappointing it should not be surprising to us. This is just another facet of the battle and it's waged effectively our enemies. None of the current conflicts (and not just military) are following anything close to the traditional battle lines we understand historically. What was once clear in terms of sides is muddled by the media as they lie and manipulate the information everyone receives. Just like this subject, because one is Jewish does not guarantee support for Israel, in this conflict or any other. The UKR conflict is the same. The ongoing politically based battles here are another example. In each instance there are people supporting a side to the conflict that defies logic and fact. Homosexuals for Palestine is perhaps the best example of this. This is what happens when people consume an altered version of events and adopt it as their truth. They know that it's different, but have convinced themselves that is because the victor writes history. There is some level of empathy for the "victim" that gets leveraged and underscored constantly such that people get drawn to support them. The lines are blurry and the facts are too. It is all by design to fracture everything and everyone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By x248716x: Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By lil_Sig: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/575474/Screenshot_20231116_224212_Gallery_jpg-3030306.JPG The "ceasefire" those people have been referring to is to allow Palestinians to leave Gaza? If so, they have to tell their Hamas friends to stop shooting the ones trying to move to Gaza's southern area. the ceasefire the libtards want is so that Hamas terrorists stop getting killed. nothing to do with departures IMHO. Originally Posted By Rebel31: Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By lil_Sig: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/575474/Screenshot_20231116_224212_Gallery_jpg-3030306.JPG The "ceasefire" those people have been referring to is to allow Palestinians to leave Gaza? If so, they have to tell their Hamas friends to stop shooting the ones trying to move to Gaza's southern area. It was a garbage thing the leftists around the world came up with to give Hamas time to remove evidence and reposition. People in N Gaza were given ample notice and time to evacuate south. What I think may be happening and will have to be dealt with is Hamas moving south along with people fleeing and the south of Gaza will be a shit show. Hamas are cowards and don't want a direct fight with the IDF or at least not without a lot of 'civilians' dying in the process. True. That's the main point and shows how many people are so easily manipulated, which confirms my comment several pages back that Israel's main problem isn't in Gaza, which it can easily deal with, as we have seen. Israel's problem is outside of it, and spread worldwide, determined to wipe out Israel in order to fulfill its agenda. On top of it, people comment how divided the US is. We do not seem so divided as the Jews, who have factions that appear to support Hamas and what it did in Israel. That's insane. It's also crazy watching so many falling for that propaganda. Putting the Palestinian issue aside for a moment. I do not recall Israel ever doing anything even close to the barbarism and gratuitous indiscriminate violence displayed by Hamas on Oct 7. What's the purpose of that? Try to make Israel answer in kind? Well, it did not. Yet, so many are following that agenda. So, the real problem is outside of Gaza and shows that it can turn against anyone and anything, and reason is non existent. None of the current conflicts (and not just military) are following anything close to the traditional battle lines we understand historically. What was once clear in terms of sides is muddled by the media as they lie and manipulate the information everyone receives. Just like this subject, because one is Jewish does not guarantee support for Israel, in this conflict or any other. The UKR conflict is the same. The ongoing politically based battles here are another example. In each instance there are people supporting a side to the conflict that defies logic and fact. Homosexuals for Palestine is perhaps the best example of this. This is what happens when people consume an altered version of events and adopt it as their truth. They know that it's different, but have convinced themselves that is because the victor writes history. There is some level of empathy for the "victim" that gets leveraged and underscored constantly such that people get drawn to support them. The lines are blurry and the facts are too. It is all by design to fracture everything and everyone. So, if this is all planned, it just confirms that whoever is behind it, wants to bring world chaos. And chaos is a well-known tool used by anyone who wants to make "fundamental transformations." |
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