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Posted: 1/27/2022 11:05:33 AM EDT



PUNTA DEL ESTE, Uruguay (JTA) — A Jewish businessman has offered to buy an 800-pound eagle and swastika crest from a former Nazi ship that is sitting in a Uruguay warehouse and explode it into “a thousand pieces.”

A private expedition recovered the 6-foot-tall Nazi swastika and eagle crest in 2006. It had been affixed to the front of the Admiral Graf Spee Nazi warship, which was scuttled by its captain when confronted by British ships in a Montevideo harbor in December 1939.

After its recovery, the eagle was briefly shown to the public in Montevideo, sparking controversy. Germany criticized the display of “Nazi paraphernalia” and the eagle was moved to a naval warehouse. It was nearly put up for auction, but the head of the Uruguayan Jewish Committee and others objected, arguing that it could end up in the wrong hands. It was reportedly offered to Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust museum, which rejected it.

In 2019, a Uruguayan court ruled that the government must auction the crest, and that the proceeds must go to the investors behind the team that recovered it. Past reports claimed that buyers had floated offers in the tens of millions of dollars.

Argentine Jewish businessman Daniel Sielecki, 64, who now lives in Uruguay, told a local news site that he wants to buy the eagle — and subsequently destroy it — to keep it out of the hands of neo-Nazis.

“Once I have it in my possession, immediately I will blow it into a thousand pieces,” he said. “Every piece that results from the explosion will be pulverized… There will be nothing left.”

Sielecki is one of the heads of the yacht club in Punta del Este, which is a popular summer destination for South American Jews.

German officials have since changed their posture, saying that they would allow the eagle’s display in an educational museum context. The Simon Wiesenthal Center issued a statement in July, urging Uruguay to display the crest in a museum instead of sell it to an open market.

“Both the German authorities and the Wiesenthal Center have taken the position that such artifacts can not[sic] serve a growing extreme right market and white supremacists,” wrote Shimon Samuels, the center’s director of international relations. “We urge the Uruguayan authorities to ensure that the display of these symbols serve as a warning to future generations of what should never be repeated.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-businessman-wants-to-buy-800-pound-nazi-eagle-and-swastika-and-blow-it-up/
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:09:47 AM EDT
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Cool, go for it bro.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:11:01 AM EDT
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At full asking price?  

X Doubt.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:12:43 AM EDT
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Things like this should be preserved and kept and as a reminder of what evil men are capable of doing.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:13:09 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:13:18 AM EDT
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Yes, more examples of how destroying symbols will ensure that history will never repeat itself.

Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:13:20 AM EDT
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Ok. Bid $10 mil + for it at auction and whatever you want with it slick. I somehow think he won't.

Edit. That's a cool piece from a famous pocket battleship. Should be in a museum.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:14:16 AM EDT
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Whatever.  That really should be in a museum, though.

History is history.  Good or bad, we have to embrace it all and learn from it.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:14:58 AM EDT
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Erase all the history!  Dumb.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:15:04 AM EDT
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Nazis in Uruguay you say?
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:16:21 AM EDT
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Agreed don't run from history. Put it out there and learn from it.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:18:04 AM EDT
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Erase all the history!  Dumb.
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So kind of like ISIS?
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:19:23 AM EDT
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No shit. This pathological knee jerk to a symbol is a sign of weakness, not strength.  And it is certainly past its sell by date for WW2.  Very Taliban of him.

I notice this guy isn't trying to blow up the hundreds of massive Nazi concrete bunkers still all throughout Europe.  Or all the concentration camp museums.

Really sounds like a 15 minutes of fame attempt.
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So kind of like ISIS?
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So kind of like ISIS?


Are you trying to make a point here?

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No shit. This pathological knee jerk to a symbol is a sign of weakness, not strength.  And it is certainly past its sell by date for WW2.  Very Taliban of him.

I notice this guy isn't trying to blow up the hundreds of massive Nazi concrete bunkers still all throughout Europe.  Or all the concentration camp museums.

Really sounds like a 15 minutes of fame attempt.


They should take the damned thing and put it back on the ship, then watch the spot in the harbor for neo-nazis if they're so concerned about them.  Destroying the symbol doesn't stop the hate.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:21:24 AM EDT
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He should destroy some ancient Egyptian artifacts too. Fucking cancel those assholes.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:21:39 AM EDT
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Yep. Livestream it too.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:22:14 AM EDT
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Notice in the Second picture, the guy all the way over on the right while faking like he’s pulling on a rope is really saluting. Just kidding. But you do see it, right?Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:23:06 AM EDT
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I'm Jewish and hate Nazi's but blowing it up seems like a bad idea.  It should go in a museum or just warehoused somewhere.  History shouldn't be destroyed.  Would we blow up a Roman War Eagle.  Roman's might not have been as evil or the same as the Nazi's but they killed and enslaved a lot of folks and subjugated many cultures.  Maybe I'm wrong in equating the two or possibly it's just because one is more recent and the other has had the healing of time.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:23:15 AM EDT
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And now we see the origins of cancel culture.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:24:36 AM EDT
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Jewish man wants to wipe any trace of Nazism off the planet?

Hmm...sounds awfully familiar....just switch the terms around and...LITERALLY HITLER.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:25:00 AM EDT
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Destroying history doesn't erase it or rectify wrongs.  Hopefully it ends up in a museum.
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Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:26:17 AM EDT
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Destroying the past and LITERALLY marching to an alternate ending of the same fucking thing.

People are idiots.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:26:53 AM EDT
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Whatever.  That really should be in a museum, though.

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This is how I feel too.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:28:07 AM EDT
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Melt it down and turn it into a giant menorah.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:29:17 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:29:37 AM EDT
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If I had a hammer and sickle on it no one would give a shit even though the soviets were just as evil.

But yeah, I dont get the reaction to a swastika some people have. Nazis were evil but they're not the boogeyman. It's not going to summon the ghost of Hitler.

This bronze emblem wasn't created by a neo nazi Hitler worshipper. It's an actual artifact off a German ship, it's a piece of history and belongs In a museum.

Battleship New Jersey did a YouTube video about this just yesterday other day.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:30:33 AM EDT
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“Both the German authorities and the Wiesenthal Center have taken the position that such artifacts can not[sic] serve a growing extreme right market and white supremacists,” wrote Shimon Samuels, the center’s director of international relations.
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There it is.  Gotta slip in a “growing extreme right wing” in there.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:31:07 AM EDT
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Do whatever he wants with his money. In the end regardless if he blows it up or not all that is going to be accomplished is self advertisement.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:34:29 AM EDT
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None exist now, so yes.


That's a good point.  In hindsight, someone probably should have kept one.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:35:47 AM EDT
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Well, look what the invading forces of  'Amr ibn al-'As did to the Library of Alexandria.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:35:48 AM EDT
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lets destroy everything with any history behind it
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:36:11 AM EDT
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Or maybe keep it around as a reminder.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:36:58 AM EDT
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For crying out loud get over it.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:38:05 AM EDT
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Antifa should buy it and display it in the lobby of the FBI.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:38:37 AM EDT
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Yep. I hope he's successful. If he wants to waste millions of dollars in a completely foolish endeavor then he deserves to be separated from his money.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:39:54 AM EDT
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That'll show em!!
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:42:30 AM EDT
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Yep. I hope he's successful. If he wants to waste millions of dollars in a completely foolish endeavor then he deserves to be separated from his money.
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I mean, yeah.  There's a lot of these things so no one will miss one, right?  I know the Germans had a warehouse full of extra eagles for the Graf Spee.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:43:35 AM EDT
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So...the Jews did this?
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:44:37 AM EDT
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should go to a WWII museum, fuck all this " lets destroy history" bullshit and people pushing such things. we need to be reminded of such things, and horrors so our decendents will understand how bad they were to hopefully keep them from being repeated.

socialism, communism, facism, nazis, holocosts, genocides, wars, etc. needs to be well documented and on display, guts and all, which will do much more for humanity than erasing all evidence of it.

if i had elon musk money id create a gigantic museum called the museum of tyranny, war and genocide, and fill it with historical examples and attifacts such as this, of out of control tyrannical governments, tyrannical acts and abuses that led to war / genocide, and lots of artifacts and information and accounts of murderous groups, religions, political parties, nazi shit, civil war statues, soviet communism and mass murder, chinese mass murder, socialism, facism, cults, cult like leaders, genocides, purges, civil war, regimes, coups, plots to seize power, etc.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:45:53 AM EDT
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I'll bet this stupid asshole also belongs to organizations that support gun control. I'll bet he is a big leftist.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:47:04 AM EDT
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^^^This.  The destruction of history insures it will be repeated.
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:48:54 AM EDT
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If he starts a Gofundme to destroy the pyramids I’ll chip in.
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He should destroy some ancient Egyptian artifacts too. Fucking cancel those assholes.


If he starts a Gofundme to destroy the pyramids I’ll chip in.


LOL
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:53:56 AM EDT
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The thing is metal, not going to blow up easy

Have it displayed at a museum
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 11:54:17 AM EDT
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I wonder how much he would pay for Herman Goerings ash tray.
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