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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:13:09 PM EDT
 Dave Smith Breaks Down the Reasons Russia Invaded Ukraine Title is description enough. Good discussion. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:15:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:17:01 PM EDT
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yawn opened right up with nuke derp, i skimmed and was just derp, derp, talking about others shows derp.. im out
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:17:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Failed to load title? Thread title. You know what I meant. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:17:52 PM EDT
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It's amazing how feeble and helpless people are today.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:17:56 PM EDT
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He should send UKR a few million dollars.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:29:36 PM EDT
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Smith is a Communist
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:29:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:30:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:33:54 PM EDT
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He was indeed given an education. Maybe not based in facts, but that’s not important. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:43:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was indeed given an education. Maybe not based in facts, but that’s not important. Quote HistoryQuoted: He was indeed given an education. Maybe not based in facts, but that’s not important. Guy apparently schooling Joe is an ass... and his version of events are definitely spun to favor his narrative. Putin is a bad guy. Ukraine is corrupt and in bed with corrupt governments. Our government is doing evil shit. I agree on those points. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:45:25 PM EDT
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The reality is that countries are free to modernize and shed their old corruption and Putin wants these countries to stay beholden to him with his puppets forever. Buck from that and we'll invade you? We should just appease Putin forever because he'll stop at one country? He might nuke us so he should just be able to hold countries hostage forever right? F that. This guy would have appeased Hitler in the 1930's.
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Posted: 9/29/2022 12:05:17 AM EDT
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Fuck him and fuck Russia. Ukraine has every right to defend itself.
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Posted: 9/29/2022 12:15:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck him and fuck Russia. Ukraine has every right to defend itself. I have yet to see anyone make that argument. I have seen people say not to use our tax money to fight other people's stupid wars. And consequently draw us into another nations border dispute. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 2:07:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have yet to see anyone make that argument. I have seen people say not to use our tax money to fight other people's stupid wars. And consequently draw us into another nations border dispute. Respectfully, - LOTS of people have made that argument from .gov on down to joe on the street corner, and the world over. - This is not a “stupid” war. This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s not a “border dispute.” This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s a test of international law and whether such a thing can exist with a rogue nuclear power. It is of massive global importance. I’m not opposed to different opinions, but we have to have the basic facts ironed out and a lot of the buzz and media is not making that clear at all. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 2:37:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Respectfully, - LOTS of people have made that argument from .gov on down to joe on the street corner, and the world over. - This is not a “stupid” war. This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s not a “border dispute.” This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s a test of international law and whether such a thing can exist with a rogue nuclear power. It is of massive global importance. I’m not opposed to different opinions, but we have to have the basic facts ironed out and a lot of the buzz and media is not making that clear at all. I don't mean to sound inflammatory, but there is no other way to put this that would get the point across. International law is fake and gay and has often been just a cudgel for the U.S. It restrains when it doesn't matter, and is broken when it hurts the bottom line. That's fine for empire, but I think we can discuss how it's a load of bullshit. That's not to say I don't respect national sovereignty, I think that's a very important thing. But their aims, security, and borders are secondary to mine. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 2:57:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have yet to see anyone make that argument. I have seen people say not to use our tax money to fight other people's stupid wars. And consequently draw us into another nations border dispute. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck him and fuck Russia. Ukraine has every right to defend itself. I have yet to see anyone make that argument. I have seen people say not to use our tax money to fight other people's stupid wars. And consequently draw us into another nations border dispute. Yup. I wonder why people aren’t as gung ho to free Tibet. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:21:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. I wonder why people aren’t as gung ho to free Tibet. Tibet isn’t a stepping stone to ww3. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:24:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tibet isn’t a stepping stone to ww3. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yup. I wonder why people aren’t as gung ho to free Tibet. Tibet isn’t a stepping stone to ww3. I don’t understand why so many of you want WW3. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:35:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t understand why so many of you want WW3. Nobody does. Acquiescing to a violent dictator will. The west’s failure to take action in 2014 has only emboldened a tyrant. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:37:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody does. Acquiescing to a violent dictator will. The west’s failure to take action in 2014 has only emboldened a tyrant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t understand why so many of you want WW3. Nobody does. Acquiescing to a violent dictator will. The west’s failure to take action in 2014 has only emboldened a tyrant. So why don’t you support liberating Tibet? |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:38:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody does. Acquiescing to a violent dictator will. The west’s failure to take action in 2014 has only emboldened a tyrant. Everything is WW2 |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:48:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everything is WW2 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nobody does. Acquiescing to a violent dictator will. The west’s failure to take action in 2014 has only emboldened a tyrant. Everything is WW2 It is kind of funny when you think about it. They refuse to see the parallels to other events throughout history. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 4:00:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So why don’t you support liberating Tibet? Ukraine has strategic value to the United States whereas Tibet doesn't (shrug.gif) |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 4:05:10 AM EDT
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This guy does not know what he is talking about. Just looking for attention. Totally ignores Crimea and Russian troops in Moldova. There is nothing he won't give Putin. Screw the people who want freedom. Most of them on Arfcom are the same sellouts who advocate balkanizing America too. Before the war, no one, no one, believed Russia was a paper tiger. Y'all bought into the propaganda and won't admit it. They were all expecting Russia to overrun Ukraine in 2-3 weeks. If Putin wants to commit national suicide and use nukes then so be it. It will be the worst decision he could possibly make and he knows it. If he survives the war he will be on the run. Russia is having riots all over the country, govt. buildings being burned, and hundreds of thousands of draft-age men are fleeing the country. He is losing on every front. A nuke isn't going to change that. Using a nuke is not another way of flipping the bird at the world. It will just seal his doom. By the way, the talks never stopped, they still meet. Right now they are discussing a huge prisoner swap.
I find it interesting the same people who were blabbering we shouldn't fight for the people who won't fight for their freedom, then change their tune when they do fight. They are just empty chests. I hope Ukraine does push Russia out of their country, every square inch of it. Make the chickens who wanted the Ukrainians to sue for peace early on at any price eat shit. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 2:42:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yawn opened right up with nuke derp, i skimmed and was just derp, derp, talking about others shows derp.. im out ADHD much? 
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Posted: 9/29/2022 2:44:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy apparently schooling Joe is an ass... and his version of events are definitely spun to favor his narrative. Putin is a bad guy. Ukraine is corrupt and in bed with corrupt US government. Our government is doing evil shit. I agree on those points. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 2:46:25 PM EDT
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The guest is acting and speaking very soyish.
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Posted: 9/29/2022 2:52:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Respectfully, - LOTS of people have made that argument from .gov on down to joe on the street corner, and the world over. - This is not a “stupid” war. This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s not a “border dispute.” This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s a test of international law and whether such a thing can exist with a rogue nuclear power. It is of massive global importance. I’m not opposed to different opinions, but we have to have the basic facts ironed out and a lot of the buzz and media is not making that clear at all. Did you copy paste that response one too many times? |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 2:58:42 PM EDT
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The guy talking is a fucking idiot. He has hardly done any looking into what's going on.
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:00:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy apparently schooling Joe is an ass... and his version of events are definitely spun to favor his narrative. Putin is a bad guy. Ukraine is corrupt and in bed with corrupt governments. Our government is doing evil shit. I agree on those points. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He was indeed given an education. Maybe not based in facts, but that’s not important. Guy apparently schooling Joe is an ass... and his version of events are definitely spun to favor his narrative. Putin is a bad guy. Ukraine is corrupt and in bed with corrupt governments. Our government is doing evil shit. I agree on those points. Agree |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:01:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Respectfully, - LOTS of people have made that argument from .gov on down to joe on the street corner, and the world over. - This is not a “stupid” war. This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s not a “border dispute.” This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s a test of international law and whether such a thing can exist with a rogue nuclear power. It is of massive global importance. I’m not opposed to different opinions, but we have to have the basic facts ironed out and a lot of the buzz and media is not making that clear at all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have yet to see anyone make that argument. I have seen people say not to use our tax money to fight other people's stupid wars. And consequently draw us into another nations border dispute. Respectfully, - LOTS of people have made that argument from .gov on down to joe on the street corner, and the world over. - This is not a “stupid” war. This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s not a “border dispute.” This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s a test of international law and whether such a thing can exist with a rogue nuclear power. It is of massive global importance. I’m not opposed to different opinions, but we have to have the basic facts ironed out and a lot of the buzz and media is not making that clear at all. Some would say this is biblical. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:02:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine has strategic value to the United States whereas Tibet doesn't (shrug.gif) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So why don’t you support liberating Tibet? Ukraine has strategic value to the United States whereas Tibet doesn't (shrug.gif) Ayup. Natural gas sales. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:05:17 PM EDT
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He went off on some sort of "agreement" that the USSR had with NATO when it dissolved in the '90's that USSR would give up its client states and in exchange NATO would not expand. I don't think that happened. From what I recall, the USSR just plain fell apart. That's when I turned it off.
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:07:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some would say this is biblical. It is, and not just in the often used David and Goliath sense, Russia is probably the last in Daniel's list of "kings", world powers. Among them were Babylon, Persia, Greece from Alexander the Great onwards, and Rome. Russia is prophesied to fall, "he will come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him". Seems that is well along, with the often miserable performance of the Russian military in the field and all the mounting domestic problems and dissent in Russia. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:14:44 PM EDT
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I don't believe a fucking thing any talking head says.
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:15:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:16:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy apparently schooling Joe is an ass... and his version of events are definitely spun to favor his narrative. Putin is a bad guy. Ukraine is corrupt and in bed with corrupt governments. Our government is doing evil shit. I agree on those points. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He was indeed given an education. Maybe not based in facts, but that’s not important. Guy apparently schooling Joe is an ass... and his version of events are definitely spun to favor his narrative. Putin is a bad guy. Ukraine is corrupt and in bed with corrupt governments. Our government is doing evil shit. I agree on those points. Agree as well |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:18:46 PM EDT
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Lolbertarians never disappoint
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:27:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reality is that countries are free to modernize and shed their old corruption and Putin wants these countries to stay beholden to him with his puppets forever. Buck from that and we'll invade you? We should just appease Putin forever because he'll stop at one country? He might nuke us so he should just be able to hold countries hostage forever right? F that. This guy would have appeased Hitler in the 1930's. The reality is every world leader is a piece of hot shit. They all deserve to die. Putin is Europe's problem. We should stay out of it while we deal with our own trash. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:31:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guy talking is a fucking idiot. He has hardly done any looking into what's going on. 100% |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine has strategic value to the United States whereas Tibet doesn't (shrug.gif) Strategic value is much higher for those that are in power. Its where they can launder and steal billions of taxpayers money. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:52:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine has strategic value to the United States whereas Tibet doesn't (shrug.gif) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So why don’t you support liberating Tibet? Ukraine has strategic value to the United States whereas Tibet doesn't (shrug.gif) Neither have a strategic value to the US. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:54:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you copy paste that response one too many times? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Respectfully, - LOTS of people have made that argument from .gov on down to joe on the street corner, and the world over. - This is not a “stupid” war. This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s not a “border dispute.” This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It’s a test of international law and whether such a thing can exist with a rogue nuclear power. It is of massive global importance. I’m not opposed to different opinions, but we have to have the basic facts ironed out and a lot of the buzz and media is not making that clear at all. Did you copy paste that response one too many times? Interestingly enough Ukraine means borderlands. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ayup. Natural gas sales. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So why don’t you support liberating Tibet? Ukraine has strategic value to the United States whereas Tibet doesn't (shrug.gif) Ayup. Natural gas sales. Tibet is loaded with copper and other minerals. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:55:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Respectfully, - LOTS of people have made that argument from .gov on down to joe on the street corner, and the world over. - This is not a "stupid" war. This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It's not a "border dispute." This is a knock-down, David vs. Goliath fight for existence for some people. - It's a test of international law and whether such a thing can exist with a rogue nuclear power. It is of massive global importance. I'm not opposed to different opinions, but we have to have the basic facts ironed out and a lot of the buzz and media is not making that clear at all. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 4:01:38 PM EDT
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I don't know who Dave Smith is, but he seems like a real Russian sympathizer asshole. Stopped playing after a few minutes.
OP- feel shame for posting this and wasting our time. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 4:14:32 PM EDT
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I’m still waiting to hear what Ukraines strategic value is to US taxpayers.
Bueller?….. Please don’t mention that if we don’t stop him in Ukraine, he’ll March on Poland and threaten all of NATO/Europe. Russias military is obviously a joke. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 4:23:04 PM EDT
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Quit watching when he implied that Saddam didn’t have WMDs. Saddam most certainly did have them and his use of them on the Kurds is well documented.
Fuck anyone who says Saddam didn’t have them and regurgitates that retarded leftist talking point. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 4:33:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still waiting to hear what Ukraines strategic value is to US taxpayers. Bueller? .. Please don't mention that if we don't stop him in Ukraine, he'll March on Poland and threaten all of NATO/Europe. Russias military is obviously a joke. We're getting the best possible deal on real world testing of our equipment, against Russia's toys, without having our military coming home mangled/dead. That's both valuable for R&D purposes, but massively supports U.S. manufacturing/on shoring. It is the best interests of the U.S. taxpayers to have a very robust manufacturing, and in particular military hardware production capability. Plenty of countries right now that would normally be buying their hardware from Russia or China are rethinking that, some of those are relevant to U.S. international interests. It makes for better diplomatic leverage/relations where, say India or Turkey really wants the U.S. hardware. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 4:36:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have yet to see anyone make that argument. I have seen people say not to use our tax money to fight other people's stupid wars. And consequently draw us into another nations border dispute. |
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