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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:09:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:16:37 AM EDT
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Remember when all the cultists here said they would never be banned lol then when they did get banned they defended it because their diety did the banning.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:18:27 AM EDT
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This is tyranny plain and simple. I highly doubt any of these ruling will every be reversed of heard by the SCOTUS.
Sadly Trump will most likely go down in the history books as the man that gave the tyrants the keys to the kingdom with this ridiculous bumpstock ruling. We are one bad election away from these abusive powers being used to not only take our guns, mags and ammo but almost any property that Gov wants with the stroke of a pen. A shit storm of biblical proportions is brewing. 
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:19:51 AM EDT
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That needs to be appealed. Checks and balances |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:29:51 AM EDT
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People keep missing this part. The government doesn't have to compensate you for property you turned over to them. The government also doesn't have to compensate you for stuff you own that they make illegal. For guns, see DC, MD, NY, NJ, CA, MA, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Government didn't "take property". They made the act of possession after a certain date illegal. Nothing more. People voluntarily turned over their property to the government. California has exemptions for the film industry to possess everything that is banned for common people. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:39:58 AM EDT
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Usually, in these chicken little court decision threads, I read the actual decision and find out the sky isn't falling. Well, I just read that decision. The sky's falling, folks. That decision, if it stands, is the groundwork for confiscation without compensation.
The rationale that the government can take property that it deemed legal yesterday because it deems it illegal today without paying you a dime as long as it advances public safety can be applied to your single family house (or farm) as easily as it can be applied to a bumpstock. But you'll have a nice apartment in the new building or a job on the collective farm, comrade, so it's all good. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:42:51 AM EDT
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Why would you give them up?
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:43:34 AM EDT
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One recalls where other documentation from the .gov does not indicate use of bumpstock in a crime should be all that is needed to rule this ruling null and void. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:48:11 AM EDT
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Usually, in these chicken little court decision threads, I read the actual decision and find out the sky isn't falling. Well, I just read that decision. The sky's falling, folks. That decision, if it stands, is the groundwork for confiscation without compensation. The rationale that the government can take property that it deemed legal yesterday because it deems it illegal today without paying you a dime as long as it advances public safety can be applied to your single family house (or farm) as easily as it can be applied to a bumpstock. But you'll have a nice apartment in the new building or a job on the collective farm, comrade, so it's all good. 
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:49:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:50:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed, this really is the sky is falling ruling. And for all the folks that think something like this won't impact them......well, that's a nice 401k/IRA you have there citizen... |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:52:32 AM EDT
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In no way is that constitutional. At all. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:56:22 AM EDT
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However, Senior Circuit Judge Loren A. Smith found that the government's rule fell within a common exception to the Fifth Amendment: property that is confiscated to advance the government's interest in promoting public safety. "The law is different in this case because the government, as the sovereign, has the power to take property that is dangerous, diseased, or used in criminal activities without compensation," Smith wrote. "Here, ATF acted properly within the confines of the limited federal police power." A hole so big you could drive a truck through. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 12:00:14 PM EDT
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LOL,
We have gone the oposite way in which our founding fathers intended and designed the constitution to carry us. Croocked politicians have simply lied to and misled we the people. They now do whatever they want under the national security cloak. It is now "We The Politicians" Not "We The People " |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 12:21:13 PM EDT
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Well, as has been said many times before, there's a reason the socialists not only want, but need, a disarmed population. Their agenda, when it's revealed and people truly understand what it's going to mean, is going to be a lot more unpopular than it is now. Some people will invite the socialist boot to their throat. Many more, however, will have to be forced to surrender to that boot. That task will be infinitely easier if the population is reduced to a mass of defenseless, helpless sheep. The founding fathers, in their wisdom, foresaw this eventual outcome. They knew, eventually, the American people would face a rogue, tyrannical government looking to put us back in the shadow of the castle. Sadly, we are going to see that attempt in our lifetime. The democrats have made it clear they see the future as part of a massive, all-powerful government that controls everything, owns everything, and is plugged into everything. That includes the very American people themselves. All we have to do is look to Venezuela to see where we will be in 20 years if we are dumb enough to let the democrats see their toxic vision to completion.
People better wake up, while doing so is a luxury we still have. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 2:22:12 PM EDT
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Remember when all the cultists here said they would never be banned lol then when they did get banned they defended it because their diety did the banning. 
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Posted: 10/26/2019 2:33:15 PM EDT
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 2:41:01 PM EDT
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Remember when all the cultists here said they would never be banned lol then when they did get banned they defended it because their diety did the banning. 
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Posted: 10/26/2019 2:56:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. “Bumpstock? What’s a bumpstock, Ossifer?” ol' arfcom. The correct response is, and I quote: "yessah massah, anything you say massah" |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 2:59:14 PM EDT
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Remember when all the cultists here said they would never be banned lol then when they did get banned they defended it because their diety did the banning. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:04:57 PM EDT
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C. S. Lewis |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:11:50 PM EDT
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Comments like that will get you called a nevertrumper 'round these parts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Remember when all the cultists here said they would never be banned lol then when they did get banned they defended it because their diety did the banning. 
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:12:23 PM EDT
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If your town is burning down and the fire department dynamites the houses surrounding the blaze to create a fire break to save the rest of the town, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation.
If (God forbid!) Florida has another outbreak of Citrus Canker and (just like last time) the state cuts down, uproots, and burns every citrus tree within 50 miles of the most recent infection, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. If a bunch of jihadis are holed up in a warehouse shooting at the police and firing mortar shells into the city, and the Sheriff burns the warehouse down and kills the BGs as they flee, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. If Lord Humungus and his army are headed for Smallville on the only road into town and the Sheriff piles the entire inventory of the John Deere dealership on its sides to establish a defensible roadblock, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. That is the exception the judge is relying on. It covers reasonably necessary destruction or taking of private property in response to an immediate threat to public safety, not takings pursuant to legal or administrative policy. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:16:19 PM EDT
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In no way is that constitutional. At all. 
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:17:06 PM EDT
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Remember when all the cultists here said they would never be banned lol then when they did get banned they defended it because their diety did the banning.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:17:10 PM EDT
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Orwellian, isn't it? "Common exception" is a platitude to rationalize the tyranny and theft. The judge may as well have said, "because I said so, peons." |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:24:17 PM EDT
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In no way is that constitutional. At all.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:26:05 PM EDT
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Apparently the key word in the exception cited is "dangerous". We lost our AR ban appeal based on the judge ruling they are extra dangerous in his opinion. Admittedly omitted applying "strict scrutiny" to the 2nd which will only happen at the Scotus level. Commies legislating from the bench.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:31:04 PM EDT
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Yep,scary part wasn't the Bumpstocks,but they way they were banned.
Shirley the dems won't abuse that when they get back in power someday............... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Scariest ruling I've seen in a long time. Shocked no one cares about this. This has implications far beyond guns. The Judge doesnt even cite SCOTUS ruling in Horne v. Dept of Agriculture from 2015 that says private property cant be physically taken for any reason. If the government can take any property they deem dangerous, we have no property rights. This is the first time the federal government has really made people destroy or turn in property. I hope this is appealed or we are all screwed. https://www.newsweek.com/bump-stock-ban-lawsuit-dismissed-1467834
Shirley the dems won't abuse that when they get back in power someday............... 
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:33:45 PM EDT
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Bumpstocks are just the gift that keeps on giving............
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Posted: 10/26/2019 4:48:04 PM EDT
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If bumpstocks pose such a serious risk to public safety that they must be banned, then logically all fully-automatic weapons should likewise be declared contraband and seized.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 4:49:01 PM EDT
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Obama appointee? |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 9:17:57 PM EDT
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If bumpstocks pose such a serious risk to public safety that they must be banned, then logically all fully-automatic weapons should likewise be declared contraband and seized. The dems get back in power,they will go after every angle they can.
And having a supposed pro gun Republican President and the House and Senate the first two years,couldn't even give us a status quo of no new fucking laws,but may have set a very dangerous precedent by fucking us over. I'm sure if we give Trump a 2nd term,and get the Republicans back in power,then we'll get some pro 2nd shit,along with cutting spending and the size of government................. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 9:21:30 PM EDT
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Or "high capacity" magazines,or semi auto's,or even barrel shrouds.................. The dems get back in power,they will go after every angle they can.
And having a supposed pro gun Republican President and the House and Senate the first two years,couldn't even give us a status quo of no new fucking laws,but may have set a very dangerous precedent by fucking us over. I'm sure if we give Trump a 2nd term,and get the Republicans back in power,then we'll get some pro 2nd shit,along with cutting spending and the size of government................. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If bumpstocks pose such a serious risk to public safety that they must be banned, then logically all fully-automatic weapons should likewise be declared contraband and seized. The dems get back in power,they will go after every angle they can.
And having a supposed pro gun Republican President and the House and Senate the first two years,couldn't even give us a status quo of no new fucking laws,but may have set a very dangerous precedent by fucking us over. I'm sure if we give Trump a 2nd term,and get the Republicans back in power,then we'll get some pro 2nd shit,along with cutting spending and the size of government................. |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 4:44:05 AM EDT
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Obama appointee? |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 4:57:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not only that but they will snitch on each other while wearing NRA socks, a MAGA hat & a TBL hard on. |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 6:00:59 AM EDT
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If your town is burning down and the fire department dynamites the houses surrounding the blaze to create a fire break to save the rest of the town, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. If (God forbid!) Florida has another outbreak of Citrus Canker and (just like last time) the state cuts down, uproots, and burns every citrus tree within 50 miles of the most recent infection, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. If a bunch of jihadis are holed up in a warehouse shooting at the police and firing mortar shells into the city, and the Sheriff burns the warehouse down and kills the BGs as they flee, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. If Lord Humungus and his army are headed for Smallville on the only road into town and the Sheriff piles the entire inventory of the John Deere dealership on its sides to establish a defensible roadblock, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. That is the exception the judge is relying on. It covers reasonably necessary destruction or taking of private property in response to an immediate threat to public safety, not takings pursuant to legal or administrative policy. Gov knows all , and is making you safer . 
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Posted: 10/27/2019 7:23:34 AM EDT
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Obama appointee? 
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Posted: 10/27/2019 7:26:09 AM EDT
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However, Senior Circuit Judge Loren A. Smith found that the government's rule fell within a common exception to the Fifth Amendment: property that is confiscated to advance the government's interest in promoting public safety. "The law is different in this case because the government, as the sovereign, has the power to take property that is dangerous, diseased, or used in criminal activities without compensation," Smith wrote. "Here, ATF acted properly within the confines of the limited federal police power." New avatar? A hole so big you could drive a truck through. |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 7:27:18 AM EDT
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even the average chemist knows that store shelves are full of potentially dangerous common things. Seriously dangerous. And, there is no way to realistically stop selling them....
they would have to stop selling fuel for one. Instead, the insanity of things that "go up" or bayonet lugs (much less those scary bayonets) Bump Stocks are a laugh. |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 7:46:17 AM EDT
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They had no issue taking gold bullion, not will they have an issue with taking your 401k should they think it’s time...........
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Posted: 10/27/2019 8:03:45 AM EDT
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They had no issue taking gold bullion, not will they have an issue with taking your 401k should they think it's time........... |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 8:15:20 AM EDT
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The gold they took was US Currency, not jewelry, art, or private property. You don't own US Currency. Also, the Government didn't go and confiscate Bump Stocke. People willingly turned them in to not face prosecution. Plently of folks still hage their bump stocks. Possession after the date is the crime, not the item itself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They had no issue taking gold bullion, not will they have an issue with taking your 401k should they think it's time........... |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 8:40:18 AM EDT
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The gold they took was US Currency, not jewelry, art, or private property. You don't own US Currency. Also, the Government didn't go and confiscate Bump Stocke. People willingly turned them in to not face prosecution. Plently of folks still hage their bump stocks. Possession after the date is the crime, not the item itself. I may not own the paper bill itself , but i do own the value it represents. When they confiscated gold , the people were reimbursed the value of that gold . I thought The Fed wasn’t a government agency ? If it is not then the actual paper money isn’t government property either correct? I’d love to know how many people kept their gold and said fuck the government. |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 9:41:45 AM EDT
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That needs to be appealed. |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 9:53:43 AM EDT
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We get a Democrat as pres....the 401K grab is probable Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They had no issue taking gold bullion, not will they have an issue with taking your 401k should they think it's time........... |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 10:24:47 AM EDT
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Obama appointee?  I missed it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_A._Smith https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/loren-smith |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 12:05:06 PM EDT
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Not trying to attack here, but I have questions . Your post comes off as a huge amount of guardhouse lawyering . I may not own the paper bill itself , but i do own the value it represents. When they confiscated gold , the people were reimbursed the value of that gold . I thought The Fed wasn't a government agency ? If it is not then the actual paper money isn't government property either correct? I'd love to know how many people kept their gold and said fuck the government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The gold they took was US Currency, not jewelry, art, or private property. You don't own US Currency. Also, the Government didn't go and confiscate Bump Stocke. People willingly turned them in to not face prosecution. Plently of folks still hage their bump stocks. Possession after the date is the crime, not the item itself. I may not own the paper bill itself , but i do own the value it represents. When they confiscated gold , the people were reimbursed the value of that gold . I thought The Fed wasn't a government agency ? If it is not then the actual paper money isn't government property either correct? I'd love to know how many people kept their gold and said fuck the government. The Federal Reserve Bank is the banking institution that keeps the market afloat and dealsnwith banks and monetary policy. The Fed is a private entity founded by Congress. While private for business organizations (banks) buy stock, the Fed is not actually privately owned like a traditional bank is. It is convoluted and complicated as hell. But basically, private self managing organization founded by the government to regulate manage the banking industry and currency use. Again, the Government has not confiscated Bumpstocks. People willingly turned them over. The bumpstock itself is not the criminal act, possession by unauthorized people are. If I was a SOT, I could possess bumpstocks after the enactment date, same way they can possess and make MGs. Look at Post '86 Dealer Samples for to Class III FFL as another example. I can't buy it, but Vito of Only the Best in South Florida can. |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 12:18:40 PM EDT
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Same ruling will be applied if Betacuck Fake Messican Bobby O'Rourke or any Demmunist gets into Congress and passes the mandatory gun buy back laws, the law will still stand, weapons will be required to be turned in for destruction, but no compensation will be given. |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 12:24:29 PM EDT
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Something is funnyhttps://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_question.gif I missed it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_A._Smith https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/loren-smith Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama appointee? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_A._Smith https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/loren-smith Contrary to the belief of some, R or D... doesn’t matter, they are all statist cucks. Just wait until the big government statist rulings come from the patriot act judges we got from T$. |
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