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Posted: 10/24/2018 3:36:13 PM EDT
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The "Let's call in airstrikes on women and children" contingent can always be counted on to make the right look retarded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm amazed how many of you think it's even in the realm of possibility that we're going to use force against this caravan. What world are you living in? Have you paid attention to the media or politics at all in your lifetime? I'll give the Dems some credit, this was a masterstroke trap right before the election. Well executed. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 3:44:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not that I wouldn’t approve but I’m realistic enough to know that isn’t going to happen. It's the kind of barbaric shit you'd expect from the Chinese government. The alternative to amnesty isn't "kill em all." It's identify and deport. Will this take alot of manpower? Sure. It'll be complicated, expensive, and time-consuming. But it won't be murder. If anyone here really thinks it would be moral to just indiscriminately kill these people, I have to wonder why they aren't heading down to the border to do it themselves. Or just randomly murdering illegal alien waitresses or day laborers. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 3:49:41 PM EDT
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The Supreme Court said in a landmark 1950 case, "The exclusion of aliens is a fundamental act of sovereignty. The right to do so stems not alone from legislative power but is inherent in the executive power to control the foreign affairs of the nation." That is settled law.
Trump can simply shut the door and demand that any legitimate asylum claims be processed through our 10 or so consulates in Mexico. INA 212(f) allows the president, whenever he finds that "the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States," to "suspend" all forms of immigration "for such period as he shall deem necessary." INA 215(a)(1) grants the president an almost equal level of authority to subject entry of all aliens entering or departing to "such reasonable rules, regulations, and orders, and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may prescribe." 8 U.S.C. 1103(a)(10) Allows the Attorney General to deputize local law enforcement bodies at the border that wish to participate to engage in the police powers of federal immigration officers. This section of the law states that when there's an "imminent mass influx of aliens arriving off the coast of the United States, or near a land border," the attorney general may "authorize any State or local law enforcement officer" to perform such duties. This will help with the manpower and the national security component of the issue. Read more... |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:00:15 PM EDT
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Posse Comitatus would not apply to repelling foreign invaders regardless of whether not hostilities have been declared against the country from which the invaders are coming from. Frankly I think that Trump should declare that a state of war exists between the US and Mexico but that no action shall be taken against Mexico except at the border. Any person attempting to cross the border shall be considered an insurgent in time of war which means we can shoot them. This engineered crisis has to be nipped in the bud, HARD. This is really a make-or-break power play and Trump must break the backs of our enemies the socialists who are behind this. 
GD gets more delusional by the day. It amazes me that this many people can be so out of touch with reality. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:11:42 PM EDT
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There are now 3 caravans. Add in thousands of hurricane Willa refugees and it is conceivable that you will soon have 100,000 plus at the border trying to force their way into the USA.
I have seen estimates that there are close to 200 million people in the world that want to come to the USA. If all that takes is a plane ticket to Mexico City and a train ride north millions will start arriving before the end of 2018 if the caravan invasion is successful. What many don't get, is that the caravans are just the tip of the spear. If they are successful, the leftist archers will unleash a downpour of millions of arrows in the form of illegal immigrants. The USA will die a death from a million cuts. Repelling this invasion is a test of our willingness to protect our nation and what our ancestors fought for. The military will do what is necessary to save our country. The wolf is at the door. Trump will not let him in. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:34:24 PM EDT
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So what would the consequences be if we "arrest and detain" them as they cross the border illegally.
Load them onto C-17s or something; fly them to Afghanistan onto a dirt strip somewhere; give them an MRE and tell them to "have a nice day"? Let them invade Afghanistan and/or walk back to Central America. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:38:43 PM EDT
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The US Mexico border should look a whole lot more like the NORK South border imho. Mines, machine guns, wire, towers, guards, you know like a legitimate border.  |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:53:57 PM EDT
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GD gets more delusional by the day. It amazes me that this many people can be so out of touch with reality. This is all it says, it is the only restriction on using the military as primary domestic law enforcement unless Congress votes to authorize it; it does not apply to defending the border; it does not apply to anybody except the Army & Air Force; & it does not in any way limit the president's constitutional authority;  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:58:52 PM EDT
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So what would the consequences be if we "arrest and detain" them as they cross the border illegally. Load them onto C-17s or something; fly them to Afghanistan onto a dirt strip somewhere; give them an MRE and tell them to "have a nice day"? Let them invade Afghanistan and/or walk back to Central America. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 5:13:20 PM EDT
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Posse Comitatus does not prevent using the military to secure the border. That's one of the basic jobs of the Army.
Go look at the Army skirmishes against Mexico around the turn of the century and during/after WWI. The border was patrolled and regulated by Army units. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 5:49:33 PM EDT
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So... Let's say 10k unarmed people are advancing on your border carrying their respective flags in an attemp to illegally walk across the border, voluntarily surrender to US Border Patrol agents and then request asylum in accordance to the Refugee Act These invaders are a force comprised of 80% military aged (17 - 35) males. They are marching under the Honduras flag and burning the US flag. Their goal is to get here and put the very few women and children in front, hoping that our military will shoot the women and children for a CNN photo op. So I'd have called the Israelis 2 months ago and ordered the dry powder for 20 million gallons of their Skunk Juice. Water cannon with Skunk will clear that crowd most riki-tik. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 5:57:18 PM EDT
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Like I said before, my guess is that the Mex Gov't will be bribed to turn them away. We will out-bid the groups/people that are funding their march here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do some people thirst for violence when it is not needed, nor desirable? I'm more inclined to believe that he'll offer plata o plomo; aka you can keep your trade deal with us if you remove this minor issue, or you can start a war over it. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 6:01:35 PM EDT
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The irony in all this is how the left is turning its back on Black in favor of the more numerous Brown. Looks like Trump is and always was Blacks only game. I hope they remember that on Nov. 6th.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 6:01:53 PM EDT
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Punitive Expedition into Mexico, set up a go go zone, no unauthorized persons (including media) within said zone. The .mil is not in the business of worrying about asylum seekers or any of that mess, they are just worried about preventing unauthorized persons from crossing a established line. Mexico has needed a US .mil dildo shoved up their ass for some time now. Mexico is not our friend. Let the left, the UN, and the MSM howl. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 6:02:57 PM EDT
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Blow the Bridges.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 6:20:41 PM EDT
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I agree 100% the next couple of weeks will expose the amount of help these people are actually getting, they are walking they should not arrive at the border until after the midterms, if they arrive before the midterms, then we have an attack in progress that is being financed with a lot of money and we need to root out the snake in the woodpile lest we continue to get bit. As far as Trump, right now I am 100% behind him, he has a difficult and tricky task in hands right now and he needs to be listening to his advisers, he needs to make the decisions, but not without knowledgeable people helping him. This is not the time to be winging it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just don't understand people who would abandon Trump knowing what the dems what to do to this country. As far as Trump, right now I am 100% behind him, he has a difficult and tricky task in hands right now and he needs to be listening to his advisers, he needs to make the decisions, but not without knowledgeable people helping him. This is not the time to be winging it. As a reply to everyone else, Trump doesn't like losing. The entire frakin' world has been arrayed against him getting elected, and against him remaining president. The who stinkin' world (those in power) is opposed to his MAGA policies. And yet, here we are. 4.2% economic growth, a massive red wave inbound for midterms, Meuller running out of steam, McCabe facing a Grand Jury, the MSM in disarray, NAFTA revoked and renegotiated (and probably unilaterally destroyed by Mexico, or at least I hope so), and more. Trump doesn't like losing, so he doesn't lose. I've posted one non-violent way to stop the invaders, someone else posted yet another. These turd worlders aren't coming into the USofA. If Trump told Mattis to keep them out, then out they shall be kept. If Mattis ROE is non-violence, then they won't be hurt any more than absolutely necessary. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 6:39:16 PM EDT
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If Trump had built the wall like he PROMISED NUMEROUS TIMES over TWO YEARS AGO this wouldn't be such an issue and don't tell me about funding,, he also PROMISED NUMEROUS TIMES that MEXICO would pay for it
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Posted: 10/24/2018 7:01:17 PM EDT
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If Trump had built the wall like he PROMISED NUMEROUS TIMES over TWO YEARS AGO this wouldn't be such an issue and don't tell me about funding,, he also PROMISED NUMEROUS TIMES that MEXICO would pay for it Trump already fucked Mexico on NAFTA & he's not done, we'll get our money out of them. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 7:58:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a reply to you, they're not walking, they're being transported. For fucks sake |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 8:00:05 PM EDT
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If Trump had built the wall like he PROMISED NUMEROUS TIMES over TWO YEARS AGO this wouldn't be such an issue and don't tell me about funding,, he also PROMISED NUMEROUS TIMES that MEXICO would pay for it |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 8:00:17 PM EDT
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Land invasion. They aren't US citizens.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 8:08:49 PM EDT
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If Trump had built the wall like he PROMISED NUMEROUS TIMES over TWO YEARS AGO this wouldn't be such an issue and don't tell me about funding,, he also PROMISED NUMEROUS TIMES that MEXICO would pay for it 
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Posted: 10/24/2018 8:16:09 PM EDT
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Corrected
Although it would of been nice of you to actually comment on the thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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boarder you say?
Although it would of been nice of you to actually comment on the thread. You answered the PC issue in your OP. Securing national borders is the sole responsibility of the federal government. In fact, it’s one of the first and should arguably be one of the only federal responsibilities. Remember when Husein Holder sued Arizona for daring to enforce immigration law? |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 12:21:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The military will do what is necessary to save our country. The wolf is at the door. Trump will not let him in. Watch and see. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 1:35:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2018 2:21:15 AM EDT
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I see the dudes wanting to legalize marijuana made it over here.
The fact is we don’t know what’s going to happen. What you do is prepare for the worse and hope for the best. Constitutional law is really hard. The brightest minds alive often get it wrong. Don’t confuse legality vs necessity. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 2:59:15 AM EDT
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Why do you specify those particular states? Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'm interested in your reasoning. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 3:11:14 AM EDT
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It would also make us a pariah. Even with our long-term allies. It's the kind of barbaric shit you'd expect from the Chinese government. The alternative to amnesty isn't "kill em all." It's identify and deport. Will this take alot of manpower? Sure. It'll be complicated, expensive, and time-consuming. But it won't be murder. If anyone here really thinks it would be moral to just indiscriminately kill these people, I have to wonder why they aren't heading down to the border to do it themselves. Or just randomly murdering illegal alien waitresses or day laborers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It’s not that I wouldn’t approve but I’m realistic enough to know that isn’t going to happen. It would also make us a pariah. Even with our long-term allies. It's the kind of barbaric shit you'd expect from the Chinese government. The alternative to amnesty isn't "kill em all." It's identify and deport. Will this take alot of manpower? Sure. It'll be complicated, expensive, and time-consuming. But it won't be murder. If anyone here really thinks it would be moral to just indiscriminately kill these people, I have to wonder why they aren't heading down to the border to do it themselves. Or just randomly murdering illegal alien waitresses or day laborers. I know we're not going to A10 a horde of central/south American migrants, but let's not pretend that anything would actually change for us aside from some harsh rhetoric and some empty economic threats. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 3:13:29 AM EDT
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I see the dudes wanting to legalize marijuana made it over here. The fact is we don’t know what’s going to happen. What you do is prepare for the worse and hope for the best. Constitutional law is really hard. The brightest minds alive often get it wrong. Don’t confuse legality vs necessity. 
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Posted: 10/25/2018 3:24:37 AM EDT
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You've been watching too much Red Dawn. The media runs this county, even as Trump attacks them they're what will be the final arbiter of these people's fates, not Trump, and certainly not the military. Watch and see. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The military will do what is necessary to save our country. The wolf is at the door. Trump will not let him in. Watch and see. Seriously, several times tonight at his rally in Wisconsin, Trump hinted at an unexpected border surprise. I'm starting to think a joint American/Mexico military effort. Mexico doesn't want a barbarian horde to unravel USMCA. Trumps got something up his sleeve, and never shows his hand to retain the element of surprise. Watch and see. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 3:44:04 AM EDT
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US Constitution Article 4, Section 4 This isn't a posse comitatus issue |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 3:45:45 AM EDT
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PC only applies to Army & Air Force being used for primary domestic law enforcement. It does not apply to Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, Reserves, or National Guard. (Congress can authorize the use of Army or Air Force for domestic law enforcement with a simple majority vote if they wanted to.) PC does not apply to defending the border from foreign invasion anyway - it cannot override the presidential authority outlined in the constitution - but the left likes to keep whining about it anyway. Hopefully Trump does it just so HI judge tries to stop it & SCOTUS sticks it right up his ass. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/48896/11_jpg-714866.JPG |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 3:50:14 AM EDT
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They're not going to enforce laws here, they are repelling an invading force |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 3:59:23 AM EDT
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Typically these are the places the illegals run to. Texas, they'll clean house. CA, well it's liberal safe haven, there not a lot of "us" there. OR, when SHTF that's where they'll escape to for temporary hideouts. AZ, will be the hotbed because of the easy border access are there are a lot of "us" there. Ill, is where they'll have to blend in until some of "us" will go to assist our brethren. FLA, Alternate route for entry when attention is on TX, AZ and CA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you specify those particular states? Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'm interested in your reasoning. While it's not a wall, getting past the All-American Canal is no easy feat for non-swimmers. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 4:12:52 AM EDT
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Masked military men from “no country” just like Russia did in Ukraine. It could be militias, who knows....Keep our marked forces to the north. It worked there, it’ll work in Mexico.
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Posted: 10/30/2018 1:09:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would also make us a pariah. Even with our long-term allies. It's the kind of barbaric shit you'd expect from the Chinese government. The alternative to amnesty isn't "kill em all." It's identify and deport. Will this take alot of manpower? Sure. It'll be complicated, expensive, and time-consuming. But it won't be murder. If anyone here really thinks it would be moral to just indiscriminately kill these people, I have to wonder why they aren't heading down to the border to do it themselves. Or just randomly murdering illegal alien waitresses or day laborers. |
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Posted: 10/30/2018 3:50:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a difference between a civilian killing people already in the country Vs the US Military repelling an invasion. If there's any difference, it seems to revolve around the arbitrary use of the word "invasion" to evoke emotions associated with military conquest. No right-thinking person would say it's immoral to shoot people trying to invade your country and take it by force of arms. Just as no sane person would say "women and children? Crossing the border illegally? Fuck yeah, light those fuckers up!" Are we playing word games to justify something that isn't really justifiable? This is a moot point anyways. No one is shooting anyone. Everyone who thinks the troops being sent to the border are going to shoot people for attempting to cross the border illegally are jerking themselves off. |
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Posted: 10/30/2018 8:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the second any of these people cross the border, it becomes immoral to kill them? . |
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Posted: 10/30/2018 8:16:05 PM EDT
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We'll by God know when the shooting starts.
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Posted: 10/30/2018 8:17:13 PM EDT
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The US Mexico border should look a whole lot more like the NORK South border imho. Mines, machine guns, wire, towers, guards, you know like a legitimate border. Good fences make good neighbors...if you got bad neighbors then a good de-fence is the best fence. We have the technology we should put it to use....& robots... |
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Posted: 10/30/2018 8:21:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet we sell arms to SA, and I've personally seen "ethical" US businesses bend over backwards in an attempt to gain access to the Chinese/market and consumer. They are hardly a pariah. I know we're not going to A10 a horde of central/south American migrants, but let's not pretend that anything would actually change for us aside from some harsh rhetoric and some empty economic threats. 
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Posted: 10/30/2018 9:00:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. I'm okay with the military falling back to Oklahoma and bombing south Texas if that's what it takes to stop the invasion. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 10:56:26 AM EDT
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Land invasion. They aren't US citizens. Unless stopped at the border, by force, they will be given asylum applications and disappear into the interior until arrested for DUI, sexual assault or domestic violence years later. Even then, sanctuary laws will prevent the cops from holding them for ICE. Fast forward 18 years their kids are voting Democrat. They have to be physically prevented from entering the country. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 7:41:28 PM EDT
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If I knew, I wouldn't say. OPSEC.
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