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Posted: 6/24/2018 11:46:30 PM EDT
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I'm new to the tool game so this is a learning thread for me. Not to trigger the anti-HF crowd, but the 56" US General has a Maximum Working load of 4400 lbs. The Lista has a load capacity of 1200 lbs. Can someone explain the difference to me? Thanks.. |
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Posted: 6/24/2018 11:48:07 PM EDT
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I'm new to the tool game so this is a learning thread for me. Not to trigger the anti-HF crowd, but the 56" US General has a Maximum Working load of 4400 lbs. The Lista has a load capacity of 1200 lbs. Can someone explain the difference to me? Thanks.. I find it quite dubious that the casters on it could take that kind of weight. |
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Posted: 6/24/2018 11:52:23 PM EDT
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HF assuming that 100lb per drawer and 44 drawers means 4400lb capacity. Just a guess. Don't know how many drawers it has. I find it quite dubious that the casters on it could take that kind of weight. |
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Posted: 6/24/2018 11:59:29 PM EDT
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I bought this at Costco with some gift cards I got for my birthday and Father's Day. I probably should look at the rating info on it. The only thing I don't like about it is that it only has one full length drawer.
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Posted: 6/25/2018 12:47:35 AM EDT
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Just the perspective from a home DIYer...
I started out with some cheapy Craftsman boxes, then upgraded to a 13 drawer 44” Craftsman ball bearing drawer that I got on sale for like $499. Then I found out about the HF US General boxes for substantially cheaper. Pulled the trigger on one (13 drawer 44”) and it blows my C-man ball bearing out of the water. Better drawers, better casters. It even came with drawer liners!! Much heavier gauge metal all around too. Bought the HF 5 drawer cart too. Good stuff. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 1:07:47 AM EDT
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I'm a huge proponent of the US General Boxes for non-pros. But then I got a free Vidmar from work.
Good grief.  It's like a tank in comparison to the US Generals. Also have a Kennedy Versa Bench that's probably early 90s vintage. It's like a 3-4k cabinet new and the tool boxes are shit compared to the US Generals. But the Listas and Vidmars are beasts. Super jealous, op. I'm just a home gamer and not a pro, but I stalk craigslist for Vidmars and Listas now.
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Posted: 6/25/2018 1:17:01 AM EDT
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100 lb max drawer weight vs 440lb If he is only storing micrometers in the drawers he will never get near 100lbs per drawer. I personally would rather have $10,000 worth of tools in a $1,000 box rather than $1,000 tools in a $10,000 box. I have a client who ordered a custom Snap-On box “Mr. Big” which cost him nearly $35,000 cdn. It is 12’ long including the 2 side cabinets. It was an early retirement present for himself. He owns a very profitable engine rebuilding shop. He has a 40 year collection of tools. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 1:45:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2018 6:02:30 AM EDT
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Not to trigger the anti-HF crowd, but the 56" US General has a Maximum Working load of 4400 lbs. The Lista has a load capacity of 1200 lbs. Can someone explain the difference to me? Thanks.. 4400lbs > 1200lbs. Any other questions? 
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Posted: 6/25/2018 6:09:51 AM EDT
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Lista? |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 6:10:29 AM EDT
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What the fuck weighs 440lbs that you would put in a drawer... my 359 craftsman is bigger and cheaper and has nice smooth soft close drawers. That’s a ripoff imho
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Posted: 6/25/2018 6:18:05 AM EDT
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Just ordered a tool box. How did I do? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213600/Z2q8GymcpEx_-555378.JPG A.W.D. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 6:20:22 AM EDT
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I would have at least tried the HF box before spending 10x more on a Lista. Even if you had to modify the casters.
My 56" sitting in my garage is a godsend for a guy who had to put all his tools in the boiler closet. Plenty of space. Also plenty of pictures of 200lb guys sitting on the drawers without a problem. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 7:00:53 AM EDT
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I'm new to the tool game so this is a learning thread for me. Not to trigger the anti-HF crowd, but the 56" US General has a Maximum Working load of 4400 lbs. The Lista has a load capacity of 1200 lbs. Can someone explain the difference to me? Thanks.. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 7:21:05 AM EDT
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$4k, holy frick!
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Posted: 6/25/2018 7:59:50 AM EDT
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I have a Homak/Kennedy 10/22 cantilever at work. It does the job ok, but I can make my own, and be a higher quality. That said, we're supposed to go to boxes that we check out of the tool room, and no personal tools will be allowed. Once that happens, my tools will go home and into my Snap-On 48". My son's tools will get kicked out to his grandfather's old tool box, and we'll end up putting a mechanic's special back on the road for his first car. That way he can learn to be self sufficient on his own.
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Posted: 6/25/2018 8:02:23 AM EDT
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That ain't a tool box. 
This is a tool box! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/15596/Master_craftsman_Henry_O-586474.JPG |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 8:09:57 AM EDT
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What you put in the tool box is much more important than what brand the box is. Don’t be the limp dick that pays $$$ for a tool box but has to borrow tools.
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Posted: 6/25/2018 8:13:33 AM EDT
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I have a Homak/Kennedy 10/22 cantilever at work. It does the job ok, but I can make my own, and be a higher quality. That said, we're supposed to go to boxes that we check out of the tool room, and no personal tools will be allowed. Once that happens, my tools will go home and into my Snap-On 48". My son's tools will get kicked out to his grandfather's old tool box, and we'll end up putting a mechanic's special back on the road for his first car. That way he can learn to be self sufficient on his own. 
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Posted: 6/25/2018 8:17:19 AM EDT
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The red Milwaukee 46" from HD is a SCREAMING deal...unless someone convinces me it isn't. More than enough for my needs and extremely useful.
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Posted: 6/25/2018 8:25:43 AM EDT
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Lista makes a good box. In before all the my harbor freight is just as good derp that will be posted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/25/2018 8:36:52 AM EDT
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The red Milwaukee 46" from HD is a SCREAMING deal...unless someone convinces me it isn't. More than enough for my needs and extremely useful. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/4311/red-and-black-textured-powder-coating-milwaukee-tool-chest-combos-48-22-8510-8520-64_400_compressed-586763.JPG |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 9:09:40 AM EDT
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Lista makes a good box. In before all the my harbor freight is just as good derp that will be posted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
 I was in Home Depot the other day and they have a nice big Milwaukee for 3 or 400 dollars. It looked and felt good to me.
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Posted: 6/25/2018 9:13:29 AM EDT
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Well I was thinking along those lines. I was in Home Depot the other day and they have a nice big Milwaukee for 3 or 400 dollars. It looked and felt good to me. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 9:28:56 AM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/343566/B14B5D4C-66A8-45E0-82D8-180FD0D1121F-399552.jpg Montezuma is what you seek. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/343566/IMG-0948-235288.jpg Mine, it needs to be cleaned out and reorganized but I’ll wait till after harvest. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 9:35:40 AM EDT
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How'd you do... Well first off you didn't tell us how much you paid for that... So you failed horribly! Link 3300 shipped |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 9:55:06 AM EDT
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The red Milwaukee 46" from HD is a SCREAMING deal...unless someone convinces me it isn't. More than enough for my needs and extremely useful. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/4311/red-and-black-textured-powder-coating-milwaukee-tool-chest-combos-48-22-8510-8520-64_400_compressed-586763.JPG I would have bought it if I still had my truck. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 9:59:05 AM EDT
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That's crazy Good for you though Seriously though, what makes it 10x the cost? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: ETA: wtf. I'll take a $400 kobalt and take the family on vacation Good for you though Seriously though, what makes it 10x the cost? |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 10:08:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Define mobile? Just get a rolling cart and a KRL1023 from snap on. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 10:13:07 AM EDT
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The red Milwaukee 46" from HD is a SCREAMING deal...unless someone convinces me it isn't. More than enough for my needs and extremely useful. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/4311/red-and-black-textured-powder-coating-milwaukee-tool-chest-combos-48-22-8510-8520-64_400_compressed-586763.JPG The power strip inside the top part is handy too, though they stashed the cords oddly when they shipped it. Had to remove a drawer to get to it. That is literally my only complaint so far with it. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 10:13:57 AM EDT
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Here is set of +$1000 Kennedys sitting on top of my harbor freight. The harbor freight is made to better quality standards. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/312410/20171215_211924-586560.JPG I have a hard time pulling the trigger on Lista cabinets at work with their money
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Posted: 6/25/2018 10:26:33 AM EDT
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The US General boxes are the best deal for anyone but a brand snob that has convinced themselves they need a Snap On for 5x the price, but needs something even beefier than the homeowner offerings from Kobalt/Husky/Craftsman/etc
I was reading over on Garage Journal that there is some new tariff on 44" boxes below a certain depth, which is why US General increased that dimension on the 44" boxes, and the price went up as a result. But the new box is just as good a deal as the old one. We're pretty much in the salad days of toolboxes now, especially for homeowners than don't need ridiculous features. For like than $800 you can get a great 56" cabinet and chest from a handful of companies that is bigger and superior in features to what would have cost double that or been half the size a decade ago. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 10:28:10 AM EDT
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Lista makes a proper tool box. You done good. Real good. I have a Snap on 76 inch epiq with work center, butcher block and side locker. Now that I am in a service truck my tool box sits empty at the shop. If only it would fit into my house
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Posted: 6/25/2018 10:32:42 AM EDT
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I'm sure it's nice but I've never really understood why these things are so damn expensive. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 10:36:57 AM EDT
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3k for that is ouch.
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Posted: 6/25/2018 10:53:49 AM EDT
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I'm sure it's nice but I've never really understood why these things are so damn expensive. They're over built for what they're rated, like many things used to be, so when used as rated, they have almost no wear. They're like taking a .50 BMG action and putting it on a 5.56 barrel. You're never going to shear a bolt lug. Not in a million rounds. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 11:23:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The HF Boxes are the best bang for the buck in the business. Buy them and don't worry. This goes quadruple is you are just a Joe DIY and not a pro (although a pro just starting out would do fine with an HF box). Anybody that comes in here to steer you away from HF (US General) for a basic, solid, cheap box is either a liar or a stupid person. You can spend 10X the amount for the US General 56 to get a truck brand box, and it will certainly be a better box, but your smarter play is to spend a fraction of the savings filling the box with quality tools. I bought two of the 44" bottoms, 2 of the wood top storage units (these are a different brand we are just giving them a try), 1 - 4 drawer roll cart and 1- 5 drawer roll cart. I got 25% off on the whole ticket with Friends and family coupon. A new guy who just moved here from Phoenix was helping us load them up. He swore repeatedly the US Generals were made in the same factory as the Snap ons. I'm sure he meant the Blue points. But the US Generals are the best value in America for tool boxes and nothing I have been is even close. One you add in the FandF 25% off, it becomes something that makes it stupid to buy any thing else. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 12:23:51 PM EDT
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Lista makes a good box. In before all the my harbor freight is just as good derp that will be posted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Well HF has that color and style now lol. The Chinese are fast. I was buying neodymium magnets yesterday and saw their new blue boxes at 10% of the OP’s cost. What he should get is some nice mahogany boxes. 
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Posted: 6/25/2018 12:40:12 PM EDT
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A couple of posters have mentioned the Friends and Family coupons. I did a quick Google search and that appears to be a 25% off coupon that they run from time to time? The expired F&F coupons that came up appeared to have the "this does not include tool carts and tool boxes" fine print that is on most of their coupons... are coupons applicable to the US General stuff?
Sorry to hijack your Cadillac toolbox post OP, but your original post was AIDS. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 1:12:05 PM EDT
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Any of you guys wanting a really nice tool box just need to do a little homework and watch the classifieds or eBay. You can score some bargains on some extremely high quality stuff. Of course people spend way to much on the tool truck and can never sell it used for half of what they paid....yet they offer it up for sale regardless. Here is what I bought for just over three grand. It was ten years old and cost me almost $400.00 for a wrecker to haul it over 100 miles. Also spent a couple hundred to have the butcher block planed down clean and refinished. Took it all apart and cleaned it up good. Probably $18,000.00 off the truck new. Gives new meaning to the word huge.
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Posted: 6/25/2018 1:13:27 PM EDT
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They last forever. Honestly. We use them to build work stations at all of our machining centers. Drawers with hundreds of pounds of parallels, set up blocks, tooling, even vises. They work every day. The racks don't fall off. The bearings don't seize up. They don't pull out of the tracks. They're over built for what they're rated, like many things used to be, so when used as rated, they have almost no wear. They're like taking a .50 BMG action and putting it on a 5.56 barrel. You're never going to shear a bolt lug. Not in a million rounds. Not to mention they have the best drawer organization accessories I have seen. They are pricey, but until someone else builds a box that has all of the accessories as these and is close to the same quality for significantly less money... If there is something out there, I would like to know about it. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 1:31:34 PM EDT
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I bought this at Costco with some gift cards I got for my birthday and Father's Day. I probably should look at the rating info on it. The only thing I don't like about it is that it only has one full length drawer. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/176850/costco_tool_box-586651.JPG |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 1:34:09 PM EDT
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Mines bigger
Lists makes some great stuff, we have their work benches at work. If their actual boxes are half as good you'll be happy 
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Posted: 6/25/2018 1:59:38 PM EDT
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$3300 huh? How's the blowjob port work?
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Posted: 6/25/2018 3:38:26 PM EDT
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Easy. 4400lbs > 1200lbs. Any other questions? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not to trigger the anti-HF crowd, but the 56" US General has a Maximum Working load of 4400 lbs. The Lista has a load capacity of 1200 lbs. Can someone explain the difference to me? Thanks.. 4400lbs > 1200lbs. Any other questions? 
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Posted: 6/25/2018 3:50:54 PM EDT
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What the fuck weighs 440lbs that you would put in a drawer... my 359 craftsman is bigger and cheaper and has nice smooth soft close drawers. That’s a ripoff imho 
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Posted: 6/25/2018 3:54:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just bought a bunch of HF boxes. I bought 6 more total to go with the 6 we have. WE started with the 4 drawer carts to give them a shot 6 or 7 years ago and I have been more that pleased with the quality of everything in the US General line. I honestly believe you are crazy to spend the money on a Snap-On box when you could use the money on tools instead. I bought two of the 44" bottoms, 2 of the wood top storage units (these are a different brand we are just giving them a try), 1 - 4 drawer roll cart and 1- 5 drawer roll cart. I got 25% off on the whole ticket with Friends and family coupon. A new guy who just moved here from Phoenix was helping us load them up. He swore repeatedly the US Generals were made in the same factory as the Snap ons. I'm sure he meant the Blue points. But the US Generals are the best value in America for tool boxes and nothing I have been is even close. One you add in the FandF 25% off, it becomes something that makes it stupid to buy any thing else. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 3:56:40 PM EDT
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Those brakes will come in handy at the soapbox derby.
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Posted: 6/25/2018 3:59:02 PM EDT
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Number of Drawers: 13 Load Capacity: 1200 lb. Drawer Load Rating: 440 lb. Am I missing something? You have 13 drawers with a load rating of 440 lbs each and a maximum load of 1200 lbs total? That wouldn't even be 100 lbs per drawer if you loaded them up. "Heavy-duty casters (1,200 lbs. each). That's as much as 4,800 lbs. of capacity per toolbox for single and double banks, and 7,200 lbs. of capacity for triple banks and two-bays!" I'm not 100% sure this is the case here, but 1,200 lb. per caster with a total load rating of 4,800 lb. would make sense if it has 440 lb. rated drawers. |
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Posted: 6/25/2018 5:15:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree on all you said except one nitpick - the HF % off coupons don't work on the boxes. The F&F 25% off is valid on the whole purchase. |
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