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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:12:50 PM EDT
[#1]
why if they come to take them its time to use them
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:18:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: dealers are required to hold 4473 for 20 yrs after that they can be destroyed, I hope they are destroying as they become eligible like they should be. It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base You would be amazed how well scanning and letter recognition software is now. Out source it to Manila at a few dollar per hour and they will have it back in a few weeks. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:22:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good, but you still might want a gun or 2 after being arrested (and therefore becoming a prohibited person). They let people bond out of jail (even for murder/manslaughter). If you survive the battle, you're still in the game. Never give up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not a pussy, I don't plan on giving anything up... They let people bond out of jail (even for murder/manslaughter). If you survive the battle, you're still in the game. Never give up. Yeah I don't think you understood what I meant. Explaining it would violate the CoC |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:22:54 PM EDT
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All I got left is a Glock 42.
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:27:36 PM EDT
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I hope the people who value their innate freedoms, ie the 2nd amendment and all the rest, realize that now is the time to stand up and become politically active. Meet with your representatives, senators, write letters, make calls. The main reason this is happening is that people have been paying others(nra, etc) to do this. It’s your time to step up, and it is going to work, don’t give up or be lazy.
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:34:11 PM EDT
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Where, theoretically, would one find these non 4473 items? Is armslist still gtg?
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:34:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:36:52 PM EDT
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Disassembled and with pistol grip and stock separate, you can pack a rifle into a 6 inch PVC pipe and cap the ends. Seal with the proper primer and cement and you'll have an airtight storage unit you can hide almost anywhere.
Make a second one for your ammunition (which can be in mags). I shouldn't have to tell you to store ammo away from oiled gun parts, or that the parts in the gun tube should be oiled for preservation. Don't forget to add dessicant packs before sealing for good measure. Lowe's has 6 inch pipe and caps in stock. You can get bigger pipe from a supply house that would let you keep things assembled, but it will likely cost a lot more. Do this with a spare PSA rifle that you can afford to bury. You might be glad you did this if it becomes the only one you can get your hands on someday in the not too distant future. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:38:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not too worried. If they take my 20 or so that I bought through dealers I still have over 100 hidden around. So you just outed yourself on a public forum, get ready for the waterboarding! |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:42:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: dealers are required to hold 4473 for 20 yrs after that they can be destroyed, I hope they are destroying as they become eligible like they should be. It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:45:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: dealers are required to hold 4473 for 20 yrs after that they can be destroyed, I hope they are destroying as they become eligible like they should be. It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base atf laughs in ocr scanner |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:46:44 PM EDT
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What kind of fragile timid ass suggestion is this?
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:48:28 PM EDT
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I would almost pity the guy that would have to follow those paper trails.
Almost. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:53:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: No this isn’t a “bury all your guns” thread. It’s a keep most of your guns handy and bury/stash a few in a secret place thread. There will be instances when people are going to get visits at work, stopped when they leave the house, have a spouse or family member surrender them when your not present, etc. It will happen when people are separated from their homes/firearms....even if your the “give them the bullets first” type. This isn’t “hide all your guns”. It’s be smart/prepared and hide A gun or two in case you are relieved of them. I listened to a Vietnam vet years ago taking his advice to heart. That said, WTF is a 4473? 
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:58:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where, theoretically, would one find these non 4473 items? Is armslist still gtg? If they agree to meet up FTF (in-state) and aren't actually there just to rob/carjack you then it could be gtg. 
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Posted: 3/12/2021 12:58:52 PM EDT
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Good luck with them 4473's. It would be an impossible task to round up guns that way.
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:01:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s cool. I got a plan. When the dog dies, I’m going to have him stuffed with tannerite and set up in the living room.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:02:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Disassembled and with pistol grip and stock separate, you can pack a rifle into a 6 inch PVC pipe and cap the ends. Seal with the proper primer and cement and you'll have an airtight storage unit you can hide almost anywhere. Make a second one for your ammunition (which can be in mags). I shouldn't have to tell you to store ammo away from oiled gun parts, or that the parts in the gun tube should be oiled for preservation. Don't forget to add dessicant packs before sealing for good measure. Lowe's has 6 inch pipe and caps in stock. You can get bigger pipe from a supply house that would let you keep things assembled, but it will likely cost a lot more. Do this with a spare PSA rifle that you can afford to bury. You might be glad you did this if it becomes the only one you can get your hands on someday in the not too distant future. You have not done this before, have you. 1) the trapped residual fumes from the PVC cement can mess things up inside the tube 2) the change in air temp (pressure) can/may cause a leak The ends should be a screw-on cap that has o-ring to make the seal. Lube the ring with light coat of lithium grease. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:03:12 PM EDT
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Yeah, well if I had any I might consider doing that. Lost several of my forearms in a boating accident years ago.
But good advice anyways.. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:08:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be an impossible task to round up guns There will never be dragnet door-to-door searches. That's just SHTF fantasy stuff. The level of manpower/resources needed to attempt that isn't available, and they know it would trigger massive pushback. It's just individuals. They will target individuals for specific crimes, as usual. Think about the people with unregistered MGs today. That's exactly what it'll be like. "Divide and conquer." |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:11:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't respond when they come for your guns, you respond when they come for your neighbors. ^This.^ Have unpapered guns so you can do what? Fondle them behind closed curtains and tell the children tales of when you could shoot them long ago? Just another version of the "buried gun" theory. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:19:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't respond when they come for your guns, you respond when they come for your neighbors. How do you know when they come for your neighbors guns? Because it won't look any different from busting your neighbor for kiddie porn, distribution of narcotics, selling forged COVID vaccination cards, etc. You won't know what's going on unless you have mics in their house. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^This.^ Have unpapered guns so you can do what? Fondle them behind closed curtains and tell the children tales of when you could shoot them long ago? Just another version of the "buried gun" theory. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You don't respond when they come for your guns, you respond when they come for your neighbors. ^This.^ Have unpapered guns so you can do what? Fondle them behind closed curtains and tell the children tales of when you could shoot them long ago? Just another version of the "buried gun" theory. So when the trains start rolling and men in unmarked vans start visiting dissidents late at night you can go down fighting instead of kicking and screaming in vain as they drag you out. That's it. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:29:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have not done this before, have you. 1) the trapped residual fumes from the PVC cement can mess things up inside the tube 2) the change in air temp (pressure) can/may cause a leak The ends should be a screw-on cap that has o-ring to make the seal. Lube the ring with light coat of lithium grease. How about placing the greased up (RIG is what I'd use) rifle in a vacuum sealed bag first, then filling the pvc pipe with Nitrogen before sealing, would that protect things a bit better? |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:32:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: No this isn’t a “bury all your guns” thread. It’s a keep most of your guns handy and bury/stash a few in a secret place thread. There will be instances when people are going to get visits at work, stopped when they leave the house, have a spouse or family member surrender them when your not present, etc. It will happen when people are separated from their homes/firearms....even if your the “give them the bullets first” type. This isn’t “hide all your guns”. It’s be smart/prepared and hide A gun or two in case you are relieved of them. It was the worst hunting trip ever had to take a boat across a lake, wind got up. Boat Capsized ..... it was a bitter cold day. (something like that) |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:55:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about placing the greased up (RIG is what I'd use) rifle in a vacuum sealed bag first, then filling the pvc pipe with Nitrogen before sealing, would that protect things a bit better? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You have not done this before, have you. 1) the trapped residual fumes from the PVC cement can mess things up inside the tube 2) the change in air temp (pressure) can/may cause a leak The ends should be a screw-on cap that has o-ring to make the seal. Lube the ring with light coat of lithium grease. How about placing the greased up (RIG is what I'd use) rifle in a vacuum sealed bag first, then filling the pvc pipe with Nitrogen before sealing, would that protect things a bit better? Air pressure differences should not be a problem then. Uses real PVC not foam core (what they sell in big box stores). Use Schedule 80 for a more robust pipe. And yes, grease, vacuum bag and nitrogen could help as well. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:57:44 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: dealers are required to hold 4473 for 20 yrs after that they can be destroyed, I hope they are destroying as they become eligible like they should be. It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base The new forms have all of the information on the front so they are easier to copy. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:58:47 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: No this isn’t a “bury all your guns” thread. It’s a keep most of your guns handy and bury/stash a few in a secret place thread. There will be instances when people are going to get visits at work, stopped when they leave the house, have a spouse or family member surrender them when your not present, etc. It will happen when people are separated from their homes/firearms....even if your the “give them the bullets first” type. This isn’t “hide all your guns”. It’s be smart/prepared and hide A gun or two in case you are relieved of them. Sure, have a backup plan, but I’m firmly in the “if it’s time to bury them it’s time to use them” camp. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 3:05:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool, but how well do you really know your neighbors? I hope you're that close (and mutually supportive), but here's the problem... How do you know when they come for your neighbors guns? Because it won't look any different from busting your neighbor for kiddie porn, distribution of narcotics, selling forged COVID vaccination cards, etc. You won't know what's going on unless you have mics in their house. You don't bug your neighbors houses? It's your funeral. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 3:51:25 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: dealers are required to hold 4473 for 20 yrs after that they can be destroyed, I hope they are destroying as they become eligible like they should be. It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base LOL, no it wouldn't. Many retailers have been using electronic forms for years already... |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 3:55:14 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of us have better training than the law dogs When they show up at those particular houses to confiscate anything they are going to have a really, really bad day You'll still end up losing. As long as you realize that and you don't mind being that kind of martyr... |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 3:57:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL at "non-papered guns" If we get to a point where that matters, then we are past the point of it mattering. So what if they take (by whatever means they can) anything you 4473'd? Then what? Take your illegal, not turned in, not registered AR and do WHAT with it? COC? It will be WAY too late by then...hell, its too late now. This man gets it. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 3:58:55 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope the people who value their innate freedoms, ie the 2nd amendment and all the rest, realize that now is the time to stand up and become politically active. Meet with your representatives, senators, write letters, make calls. The main reason this is happening is that people have been paying others(nra, etc) to do this. It’s your time to step up, and it is going to work, don’t give up or be lazy. Bless your precious little heart. I hope the red pill isn't too bitter when you finally get around to taking it. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 4:01:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a pussy, I don't plan on giving anything up... |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 4:05:11 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: dealers are required to hold 4473 for 20 yrs after that they can be destroyed, I hope they are destroying as they become eligible like they should be. It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base No, it wouldn't. In fact they could do it fairly quickly. See, they make machines for that. What, you think they do the data entry by hand? |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 4:08:50 PM EDT
[#36]
Are mausoleums a good place to stash guns and ammo?
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Posted: 3/12/2021 4:12:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: No this isn’t a “bury all your guns” thread. . So it’s a “bury some of your guns” thread? |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 4:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So it's a "bury some of your guns" thread? https://armynavyoutdoors.com/special-forces-caching-techniques-military-manual-free-download/ |
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Posted: 3/13/2021 10:22:29 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: why if they come to take them its time to use them Lol. Didn’t read the op. |
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Posted: 3/13/2021 10:26:03 AM EDT
[#40]
I trust our leaders to know and do what's best for us!
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Posted: 3/13/2021 10:26:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So it’s a “bury some of your guns” thread? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No this isn’t a “bury all your guns” thread. . So it’s a “bury some of your guns” thread? Yes. Hell yes. |
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Posted: 3/13/2021 4:38:22 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of us have better training than the law dogs When they show up at those particular houses to confiscate anything they are going to have a really, really bad day  |
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Posted: 3/13/2021 4:43:31 PM EDT
[#43]
eww, you own guns?
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Posted: 3/13/2021 4:47:54 PM EDT
[#44]
No. Fuck that kind of thinking. If it ever comes to confiscation, are you saying you're just going to hand them over like a good Jew?
This kind of pussy thinking is what's turned our country into what it is, from fleeing your free state to a free state to this. Just like Mexicans and Hondurans fleeing their shit state to here, it's the exact same thing. |
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Posted: 3/13/2021 4:51:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2021 5:02:19 PM EDT
[#46]
Too bad that I sold all my guns except my carry gun in FTF transactions over the last couple decades.
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Posted: 3/13/2021 5:02:51 PM EDT
[#47]
Shouldn't be an issue, after all, FBHO said it's easier to get a gun on the street than it is a book.
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Posted: 3/13/2021 6:03:26 PM EDT
[#48]
I don't leave the house.
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Posted: 3/13/2021 6:04:31 PM EDT
[#49]
What’s going on in here?
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Posted: 3/13/2021 6:08:49 PM EDT
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