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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:44:53 AM EDT

https://news.sky.com/story/pensioner-held-after-man-stabbed-during-burglary-11316275

A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed and later died.

Police were called to a house in Hither Green, southeast London, at 12.45am to reports of a break-in in progress. The occupant had found two males inside his home. There were initial reports the homeowner was forced into the kitchen by one of the suspects armed with a screwdriver while the other went upstairs. Police said that, during a struggle, a 38-year-old man found inside the property sustained a stab injury to his upper body. He was discovered collapsed nearby and taken to hospital but died soon after 3.30am. Police initially arrested the 78-year-old on suspicion of grievous bodily harm but they have since rearrested him on suspicion of murder.

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Saw in another article that things brings the total number of "murders" in London to 50 this year. Which would mean they're only 10 behind freakin' Baltimore.

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:47:31 AM EDT

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Good stab

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:48:14 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:48:36 AM EDT

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I guess they’ll be banning screw drivers next.

I don’t even know what to say, are you suppose to curl up in a ball and die if someone breaks into your house trying to kill you? Are there no self defense laws in England-land?

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:49:19 AM EDT

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How did that country go so wrong?

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:51:15 AM EDT

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How long before citizens revolt???

Oops, they can't.

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:51:19 AM EDT

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god bless the USA

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:52:16 AM EDT

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THOU SHALL NOT ASSAULT THE KING'S CRIMINALS!

What a joke the UK has become.... sad....

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:52:22 AM EDT

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That'll teach him

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:54:01 AM EDT

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Pathetic.

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:57:55 AM EDT

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Grand jury failed to indict but a NY man was arrested after stabbing men trying to break into his home
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Dead-frat-boy-attacked-the-wrong-house--tenant-acting-in-self-defense-arrested-/5-439770/?page=1

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:58:37 AM EDT

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Its like another planet

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:58:41 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:59:37 AM EDT

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Criminals are a tool used to control the populous.

Posted: 4/4/2018 7:59:47 AM EDT

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Midsomer Murders needs a new episode.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:00:50 AM EDT

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Murder ? fucking pathetic

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:00:57 AM EDT

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I guess they'll be banning screw drivers next.

I don't even know what to say, are you suppose to curl up in a ball and die if someone breaks into your house trying to kill you? Are there no self defense laws in England-land?

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There are multiple people sitting in prison in the UK for having the audacity to defend themself and their homes. Seriously. A friend of mine from the UK told me of a man he knew who was sentenced to seven years for hitting a home invader with a cricket bat.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:01:50 AM EDT

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Apparently the queens subjects aren't allowed to defend themselves? Because that's not murder.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:02:42 AM EDT

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I think that statement may be very accurate.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:03:12 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:04:08 AM EDT

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How long before citizens revolt???

Oops, they can't.

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I think perhaps they are - against the remaining white britons (like there’s any other kind).

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:04:33 AM EDT

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In before the Britbongs.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:04:36 AM EDT

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Totally amazing. A country with such a brutal history of killing across the world just to plant their flag won't even let it's own citizens defend their life. Those fuckers should pack up their shit and move. Again.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:05:15 AM EDT

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That's how it works in the UK:

1) You get arrested
2) You get taken to the police station
3) You are advised of your rights
4) You get questioned at the police station
5) After being questioned you are either charged with a crime or released

Arrested is not the same as being charged with murder.

Same happens in many places here in the States: you are arrested and questioned, and a determination is made: was the homicide justified or not?

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:05:37 AM EDT

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Chief Inspector Barnaby will get right on this.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:06:24 AM EDT

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That'll teach him

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The burglar, right?

Oh wait.

Lol

That place is so fucked.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:11:15 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:14:41 AM EDT

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That used to be self-defense. It's probably a hate crime. Some recent arrival simply trying to make a living, killed by a nationalist who voted for brexit.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:15:40 AM EDT

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That's how it works in the UK:

1) You get arrested
2) You get taken to the police station
3) You are advised of your rights
4) You get questioned at the police station
5) After being questioned you are either charged with a crime or released

Arrested is not the same as being charged with murder.

Same happens in many places here in the States: you are arrested and questioned, and a determination is made: was the homicide justified or not?

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As much as I love a good Brit Bashing, this seems far more plausible.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:17:09 AM EDT

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Anarcho-tyranny

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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:18:26 AM EDT

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Holy fuck that country has gone straight past the PC gutter and into the insane assylum.

I will never go back there as long as I live.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:21:16 AM EDT

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How did that country go so wrong?

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Socialism and uncontrolled immigration.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:22:24 AM EDT

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As much as I love a good Brit Bashing, this seems far more plausible.

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This.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:23:13 AM EDT

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How did that country go so wrong?

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The Labour Party, beta males, and an invasion.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:24:35 AM EDT

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I guess they’ll be banning screw drivers next.

I don’t even know what to say, are you suppose to curl up in a ball and die if someone breaks into your house trying to kill you? Are there no self defense laws in England-land?

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AFAIK you actually can be arrested for possessing a screwdriver

As self defense goes (or rather how it's been explained to me) it's basically the story in this thread but instead of the homeowner walking free, he would've caught a murder charge because he out-armed the invaders (because its unfair for the criminal or some shit

). If he had used a bat though he probably would've walked away.....maybe....if he survived

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:26:59 AM EDT

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How did that country go so wrong?

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They gave up their guns, then they gave up their knives, then they gave up their free speech.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:29:08 AM EDT

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That's how it works in the UK:

1) You get arrested
2) You get taken to the police station
3) You are advised of your rights
4) You get questioned at the police station
5) After being questioned you are either charged with a crime or released

Arrested is not the same as being charged with murder.

Same happens in many places here in the States: you are arrested and questioned, and a determination is made: was the homicide justified or not?

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Yeah, we arrest old people all the time around here for defending themselves from armed invaders in their own home at night. Wouldn't want that old man fleeing the country while the no-brainer investigation is completed.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:30:55 AM EDT

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Buddy of mine and I were playing gold and a Brit joined us on the back nine. Topic of "squatting" came up and my friend explained how he would handle the situation if he came home from vacation to find someone "living" in his home
Brit was so startled and shaken that be left the course.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:30:56 AM EDT

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Self defense and defense of others is no crime but when it becomes one what’s the incentive to remain lawful?

I can easily see where a gov could consider SD and DOO to infringe on their power.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:35:37 AM EDT

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Tyranny is alive and well, and also very well armed in the UK.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:39:27 AM EDT

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lol, what a joke of a country.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:40:17 AM EDT

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Grand jury failed to indict but a NY man was arrested after stabbing men trying to break into his home
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Dead-frat-boy-attacked-the-wrong-house--tenant-acting-in-self-defense-arrested-/5-439770/?page=1

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There was a guy back in the early 2000's with a handgun that killed an intruder in New York or New Jersey that got arrested too. There's plenty of stupidity to go around.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:41:08 AM EDT

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And

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:43:24 AM EDT

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Murder? Lol

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:47:44 AM EDT

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In before there are pictures of the old man's kitchen knife block posted on Twitter being called an arsenal.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:48:56 AM EDT

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Kalifornia is well on it's way to being the next UK

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:50:50 AM EDT

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Wait..it said he was arrested, released and then rearrested again for murder.

Something isn't passing the stink test here.

What did they learn after the initial arrest?

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:52:10 AM EDT

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I guess they’ll be banning screw drivers next.

I don’t even know what to say, are you suppose to curl up in a ball and die if someone breaks into your house trying to kill you? Are there no self defense laws in England-land?

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for the elite of course they have armed guards

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:54:42 AM EDT

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How long before citizens revolt???

Oops, they can't.

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Never. Would require balls and they've been neutered.

Posted: 4/4/2018 8:55:51 AM EDT

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Wait..it said he was arrested, released and then rearrested again for murder.

Something isn't passing the stink test here.

What did they learn after the initial arrest?

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In between the first arrest and the second arrest the burglar died.

I don't think he was ever released.

Posted: 4/4/2018 9:00:15 AM EDT

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https://news.sky.com/story/pensioner-held-after-man-stabbed-during-burglary-11316275

A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed and later died.

Police were called to a house in Hither Green, southeast London, at 12.45am to reports of a break-in in progress. The occupant had found two males inside his home. There were initial reports the homeowner was forced into the kitchen by one of the suspects armed with a screwdriver while the other went upstairs. Police said that, during a struggle, a 38-year-old man found inside the property sustained a stab injury to his upper body. He was discovered collapsed nearby and taken to hospital but died soon after 3.30am. Police initially arrested the 78-year-old on suspicion of grievous bodily harm but they have since rearrested him on suspicion of murder.

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Saw in another article that things brings the total number of "murders" in London to 50 this year. Which would mean they're only 10 behind freakin' Baltimore.

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I will try and dig up the article but one of the reasons it is not fair to compare US murders with UK murders is how the data is reported. In the US, if there is a murder, it counts as a murder and goes towards the statistics gathered by various entities.

In the UK, if there is a murder, it is only reported if there is also a conviction or if someone is charged for the crime. If it is a crime where no one was charged (could not find the guy who did the killing or dont know who it is) then I dont think it is added to their stats.

I read this in a long article written by some kind of lawyer, not sure if it is true or not. Some of our UK people can chime in.

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