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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:12:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By TescoVee:
Shit balls. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:15:46 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Hang tight on donating. It's not live. They are still working on things. Didn't expect for arfcom to find it just yet. Lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By peekay:
Just tried to donate through Heller's page and got We're sorry - that page was not found (Error 404)So if it got through or not i have no idea. Hang tight on donating. It's not live. They are still working on things. Didn't expect for arfcom to find it just yet. Lol. 
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:18:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FreefallRet]
[#3]
Cant wait to to form 1 a bunch of DIAS's
 And then a M-240 and a GE M134 receiver  |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:26:55 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
Cant wait to to form 1 a bunch of DIAS's
And then a M-240 and a GE M134 receiver
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/GEminigunactual.jpg I've always wanted to build a 22 version of a minigun |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:34:08 PM EDT
[#5]
If we can and have to I will be form 1ing about 20 DIAS and ordering parts instantly!
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:45:35 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mariner82:
Exactly this. Some examiners fucked up - meaning they read and correctly interpreted the law. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mariner82:
Originally Posted By Lohe:
Originally Posted By danpass:
Requesting a quick recap as to how this all started. When something that should NOT have been approved was then approved? No according to the law it SHOULD have been approved and it was. Then ATF went oh shit we don't want new MG in the hands of law abiding trust owners gives us that stamp back. Exactly this. Some examiners fucked up - meaning they read and correctly interpreted the law. More likely it was "...correctly interpreted the law, just as they had the past 28 years for major politicians and their buddies." |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:47:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mariner82]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Andrapos:
What if it wasn't a "fuck up " ? They aren't all fighting against us... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Andrapos:
Originally Posted By Mariner82:
Originally Posted By Lohe:
Originally Posted By danpass:
Requesting a quick recap as to how this all started. When something that should NOT have been approved was then approved? No according to the law it SHOULD have been approved and it was. Then ATF went oh shit we don't want new MG in the hands of law abiding trust owners gives us that stamp back. Exactly this. Some examiners fucked up - meaning they read and correctly interpreted the law. What if it wasn't a "fuck up " ? They aren't all fighting against us... It was a fuck up from the standpoint that the examiners were honest, as opposed to following ATF management's policy to disapprove all F1's for MGs, no matter what. Originally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
More likely it was "...correctly interpreted the law, just as they had the past 28 years for major politicians and their buddies." This said it better... Perhaps new examiner that didn't understand that some animals are more equal. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:50:50 PM EDT
[#8]
So when can(should) I form 1 a DIAS/ get denied/ sue
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Posted: 3/13/2015 10:01:58 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Hang tight on donating. It's not live. They are still working on things. Didn't expect for arfcom to find it just yet. Lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By peekay:
Just tried to donate through Heller's page and got We're sorry - that page was not found (Error 404)So if it got through or not i have no idea. Hang tight on donating. It's not live. They are still working on things. Didn't expect for arfcom to find it just yet. Lol. 
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Posted: 3/13/2015 10:12:54 PM EDT
[#10]
wow. is Alan Gura involved at all?
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Posted: 3/13/2015 10:20:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LuxorDeathbed: You know the fellows here are REAL good at digging up info. Any facebook, pics, flame bait, etc needed, people tend to find. The power of arfcom never surprises me anymore since this thread became live. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LuxorDeathbed: Originally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By peekay: Just tried to donate through Heller's page and got We're sorry - that page was not found (Error 404)So if it got through or not i have no idea. Hang tight on donating. It's not live. They are still working on things. Didn't expect for arfcom to find it just yet. Lol. You know the fellows here are REAL good at digging up info. Any facebook, pics, flame bait, etc needed, people tend to find. The power of arfcom never surprises me anymore since this thread became live. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/13/2015 10:57:32 PM EDT
[#12]
Can someone give me context on how big the Heller foundation is? Or rather, how much influence they have?
I'm familiar with NRA, SAF, GOA, CCRKBA...those are the bulk of pro-2am organizations I can pull from memory. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 11:11:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ejeviking]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Hang tight on donating. It's not live. They are still working on things. Didn't expect for arfcom to find it just yet. Lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By peekay: Just tried to donate through Heller's page and got We're sorry - that page was not found (Error 404)So if it got through or not i have no idea. Hang tight on donating. It's not live. They are still working on things. Didn't expect for arfcom to find it just yet. Lol. Go get them brother! Edit: beat, twice |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 11:21:57 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mariner82:
This said it better... Perhaps new examiner that didn't understand that some animals are more equal. I believe that Nolo said in the original thread that there were approvals from multiple examiners and a couple of them had been at the NFA branch for many years (10+?). |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 11:25:46 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendel-OK: I believe that Nolo said in the original thread that there were approvals from multiple examiners and a couple of them had been at the NFA branch for many years (10+?). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendel-OK: Originally Posted By Mariner82: This said it better... Perhaps new examiner that didn't understand that some animals are more equal. I believe that Nolo said in the original thread that there were approvals from multiple examiners and a couple of them had been at the NFA branch for many years (10+?). |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 11:35:01 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1BMF:
I'm sure the sub guns guys will be thrilled 
Is subguns even discussing this (positively or negatively)? I can't find any mention of the case there. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 11:40:49 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monoz: Is subguns even discussing this (positively or negatively)? I can't find any mention of the case there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monoz: Originally Posted By 1BMF: I'm sure the sub guns guys will be thrilled Is subguns even discussing this (positively or negatively)? I can't find any mention of the case there. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 11:47:59 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7: Cant wait to to form 1 a bunch of DIAS's And then a M-240 and a GE M134 receiver http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/GEminigunactual.jpg Hell yes! If this opens the door to legal post86 MG's, I will own one!  |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 12:11:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FlyingGorilla]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
All the threads get deleted, I don't think the mods like the bickering. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By Monoz:
Originally Posted By 1BMF:
I'm sure the sub guns guys will be thrilled Is subguns even discussing this (positively or negatively)? I can't find any mention of the case there. More like (hands over ears and in PeeWee Herman voice): "LA. LA, LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 12:24:34 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
More like (hands over ears and in PeeWee Herman voice): "LA. LA, LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlyingGorilla:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By Monoz:
Originally Posted By 1BMF:
I'm sure the sub guns guys will be thrilled Is subguns even discussing this (positively or negatively)? I can't find any mention of the case there. More like (hands over ears and in PeeWee Herman voice): "LA. LA, LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" After the price of NFA items return to their true value, the subguns crowd can take the money they will save and buy some website software. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 12:30:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: excursel]
[#21]
Nolo I mentioned Heller was collecting now for your cause back on page 87 everyone posted right by it and missed my post lol
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Hang tight on donating. It's not live. They are still working on things. Didn't expect for arfcom to find it just yet. Lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By peekay:
Just tried to donate through Heller's page and got We're sorry - that page was not found (Error 404)So if it got through or not i have no idea. Hang tight on donating. It's not live. They are still working on things. Didn't expect for arfcom to find it just yet. Lol. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 12:45:49 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By excursel:
Nolo I mentioned Heller was collecting now for your cause back on page 87 everyone posted right by it and missed my post lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By excursel:
Nolo I mentioned Heller was collecting now for your cause back on page 87 everyone posted right by it and missed my post lol Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By peekay:
Just tried to donate through Heller's page and got We're sorry - that page was not found (Error 404)So if it got through or not i have no idea. Hang tight on donating. It's not live. They are still working on things. Didn't expect for arfcom to find it just yet. Lol. 88 a couple hours before I found it during a different search. Was looking for info on heller for a argument and thought maybe their site might have the info I needed. Open the page and there is was. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 4:41:15 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By williewvr:
88 a couple hours before I found it during a different search. Was looking for info on heller for a argument and thought maybe their site might have the info I needed. Open the page and there is was. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By williewvr:
Originally Posted By excursel:
Nolo I mentioned Heller was collecting now for your cause back on page 87 everyone posted right by it and missed my post lol Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By peekay:
Just tried to donate through Heller's page and got We're sorry - that page was not found (Error 404)So if it got through or not i have no idea. Hang tight on donating. It's not live. They are still working on things. Didn't expect for arfcom to find it just yet. Lol. 88 a couple hours before I found it during a different search. Was looking for info on heller for a argument and thought maybe their site might have the info I needed. Open the page and there is was. The good part of that is that donations through the Heller Foundation will be tax deductible, unlike the initial GoFundMe. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 4:44:42 AM EDT
[#24]
You guy's crashed http://www.hellerfoundation.org/ web sight! "We are moving servers to handle the traffic" LOL
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Posted: 3/14/2015 5:04:02 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brianmat: As someone one put it (and I am not doing the full quote justice): Arfcom is like a bitter redneck version of Anonymous. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brianmat: Originally Posted By LuxorDeathbed: You know the fellows here are REAL good at digging up info. Any facebook, pics, flame bait, etc needed, people tend to find. The power of arfcom never surprises me anymore since this thread became live. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 9:42:44 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RodMI:
You guy's crashed http://www.hellerfoundation.org/ web sight! "We are moving servers to handle the traffic" LOL 
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Posted: 3/14/2015 10:00:09 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By TescoVee: |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 10:06:53 AM EDT
[#28]
I have a question...
So recently a federal judge struck down a federal law for being unconstitutional. It was the interstate handgun sale ban law. Everyone says that the interstate handgun ban is now only gone in the northern district of texas...even though it was a federal judge striking a federal law. Now what makes this lawsuit different? If we succeed in getting rid of these nfa laws in a federal court...does it not apply to the entire country? Or does this case need to go to SCOTUS for it to apply to everyone? Because going to SCOTUS is always a long shot...especially with gun cases...even if it is a clear decision SCOTUS should handle. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 10:31:14 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaveM4P99:
I have a question... So recently a federal judge struck down a federal law for being unconstitutional. It was the interstate handgun sale ban law. Everyone says that the interstate handgun ban is now only gone in the northern district of texas...even though it was a federal judge striking a federal law. Now what makes this lawsuit different? If we succeed in getting rid of these nfa laws in a federal court...does it not apply to the entire country? Or does this case need to go to SCOTUS for it to apply to everyone? Because going to SCOTUS is always a long shot...especially with gun cases...even if it is a clear decision SCOTUS should handle. Move to north texas? |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 10:35:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TescoVee]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaveM4P99: I have a question... So recently a federal judge struck down a federal law for being unconstitutional. It was the interstate handgun sale ban law. Everyone says that the interstate handgun ban is now only gone in the northern district of texas...even though it was a federal judge striking a federal law. Now what makes this lawsuit different? If we succeed in getting rid of these nfa laws in a federal court...does it not apply to the entire country? Or does this case need to go to SCOTUS for it to apply to everyone? Because going to SCOTUS is always a long shot...especially with gun cases...even if it is a clear decision SCOTUS should handle. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 10:38:17 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TescoVee:
If we win but it doesn't go to SCOTUS we sue for equal protection in the other districts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TescoVee:
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
I have a question... So recently a federal judge struck down a federal law for being unconstitutional. It was the interstate handgun sale ban law. Everyone says that the interstate handgun ban is now only gone in the northern district of texas...even though it was a federal judge striking a federal law. Now what makes this lawsuit different? If we succeed in getting rid of these nfa laws in a federal court...does it not apply to the entire country? Or does this case need to go to SCOTUS for it to apply to everyone? Because going to SCOTUS is always a long shot...especially with gun cases...even if it is a clear decision SCOTUS should handle. Looks like I'll be moving a trust to the family home in north Texas. Dad lives in the north Texas district and is already on the trust. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 10:44:04 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ejeviking:
So, is this the place I should be switching my monthly donation too or do we still need funds going to the gofundme account? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ejeviking:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By TescoVee:
Gofundme is paused, and will be closed as soon as Heller Foundation is live. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 10:47:52 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Gofundme is paused, and will be closed as soon as Heller Foundation is live. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By ejeviking: Originally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By TescoVee: Gofundme is paused, and will be closed as soon as Heller Foundation is live. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 11:45:25 AM EDT
[#34]
Hand never heard of the foundation before this. Looks like they have been contuining the battle for 2a rights over there.
From my little Internet detective skills. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 11:59:17 AM EDT
[#35]
Rock on.
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Posted: 3/14/2015 12:36:57 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TescoVee:
If we win but it doesn't go to SCOTUS we sue for equal protection in the other districts. Then we erect a fountain at the ARF headquarters with a golden statue of NOLO pissing on Eric Holder's leg. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TescoVee:
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
I have a question... So recently a federal judge struck down a federal law for being unconstitutional. It was the interstate handgun sale ban law. Everyone says that the interstate handgun ban is now only gone in the northern district of texas...even though it was a federal judge striking a federal law. Now what makes this lawsuit different? If we succeed in getting rid of these nfa laws in a federal court...does it not apply to the entire country? Or does this case need to go to SCOTUS for it to apply to everyone? Because going to SCOTUS is always a long shot...especially with gun cases...even if it is a clear decision SCOTUS should handle. I'll kick in $100 for that statue. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 2:56:27 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mustangduckk:
I'll kick in $100 for that statue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mustangduckk:
Originally Posted By TescoVee:
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
I have a question... So recently a federal judge struck down a federal law for being unconstitutional. It was the interstate handgun sale ban law. Everyone says that the interstate handgun ban is now only gone in the northern district of texas...even though it was a federal judge striking a federal law. Now what makes this lawsuit different? If we succeed in getting rid of these nfa laws in a federal court...does it not apply to the entire country? Or does this case need to go to SCOTUS for it to apply to everyone? Because going to SCOTUS is always a long shot...especially with gun cases...even if it is a clear decision SCOTUS should handle. I'll kick in $100 for that statue. It took years of work to get a statue of Regan in Berlin. A Nolo statue would take days if not hours. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 3:00:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bdawg998]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillehayd:
It took years of work to get a statue of Regan in Berlin. A Nolo statue would take days if not hours. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillehayd:
Originally Posted By mustangduckk:
Originally Posted By TescoVee:
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
I have a question... So recently a federal judge struck down a federal law for being unconstitutional. It was the interstate handgun sale ban law. Everyone says that the interstate handgun ban is now only gone in the northern district of texas...even though it was a federal judge striking a federal law. Now what makes this lawsuit different? If we succeed in getting rid of these nfa laws in a federal court...does it not apply to the entire country? Or does this case need to go to SCOTUS for it to apply to everyone? Because going to SCOTUS is always a long shot...especially with gun cases...even if it is a clear decision SCOTUS should handle. I'll kick in $100 for that statue. It took years of work to get a statue of Regan in Berlin. A Nolo statue would take days if not hours. And the fountain is filled with liberal tears |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 3:53:44 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaveM4P99:
I have a question... So recently a federal judge struck down a federal law for being unconstitutional. It was the interstate handgun sale ban law. Everyone says that the interstate handgun ban is now only gone in the northern district of texas...even though it was a federal judge striking a federal law. Now what makes this lawsuit different? If we succeed in getting rid of these nfa laws in a federal court...does it not apply to the entire country? Or does this case need to go to SCOTUS for it to apply to everyone? Because going to SCOTUS is always a long shot...especially with gun cases...even if it is a clear decision SCOTUS should handle. The court only has jurisdiction over cases within its boundaries. The same reason the Northern District of Ohio can't rule on this case. Until it gets to a Circuit Court, nothing. Or if you had all circuits with their version of Hollis. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 3:57:01 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillehayd:
It took years of work to get a statue of Regan in Berlin. A Nolo statue would take days if not hours. Why is there a statue of Donald Regan in Berlin? It was his boss, Ronald Reagan that gave the famous speech. Minor nit that I pick. 
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Posted: 3/14/2015 4:06:08 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mustangduckk:
I'll kick in $100 for that statue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mustangduckk:
Originally Posted By TescoVee:
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
I have a question... So recently a federal judge struck down a federal law for being unconstitutional. It was the interstate handgun sale ban law. Everyone says that the interstate handgun ban is now only gone in the northern district of texas...even though it was a federal judge striking a federal law. Now what makes this lawsuit different? If we succeed in getting rid of these nfa laws in a federal court...does it not apply to the entire country? Or does this case need to go to SCOTUS for it to apply to everyone? Because going to SCOTUS is always a long shot...especially with gun cases...even if it is a clear decision SCOTUS should handle. I'll kick in $100 for that statue. Count me in also! |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 4:42:00 PM EDT
[#42]
So NOLO can we get detail what role etc Mr Heller will have in the case and any other information?
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Posted: 3/14/2015 4:45:18 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By excursel:
So NOLO can we get detail what role etc Mr Heller will have in the case and any other information? the press release will spell everything out. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 4:50:44 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
the press release will spell everything out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By excursel:
So NOLO can we get detail what role etc Mr Heller will have in the case and any other information? the press release will spell everything out. WHEN?????? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2015 4:50:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
the press release will spell everything out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By excursel:
So NOLO can we get detail what role etc Mr Heller will have in the case and any other information? the press release will spell everything out. eta on press release? |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 4:51:30 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cpl_fisher: eta on press release? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cpl_fisher: Originally Posted By NoloContendere: Originally Posted By excursel: So NOLO can we get detail what role etc Mr Heller will have in the case and any other information? the press release will spell everything out. eta on press release? |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 4:52:52 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TescoVee:
NOLO, let me get this one for you. SOON... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TescoVee:
Originally Posted By cpl_fisher:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By excursel:
So NOLO can we get detail what role etc Mr Heller will have in the case and any other information? the press release will spell everything out. eta on press release? lol. thanks. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 5:00:12 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
lol. thanks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By TescoVee:
Originally Posted By cpl_fisher:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By excursel:
So NOLO can we get detail what role etc Mr Heller will have in the case and any other information? the press release will spell everything out. eta on press release? lol. thanks. I knew it. Lol |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 5:19:34 PM EDT
[#49]
Has the issue regarding actual physical possession of the guns been solved yet? Like the court might say a trust can manufacture, but it's irrelevant because a person can't possess it?
I mean, I almost see that as the ultimate way out for the judge in the case. "Yes, you're right, but it's irrelevant." |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 5:28:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TescoVee]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By david05111: Has the issue regarding actual physical possession of the guns been solved yet? Like the court might say a trust can manufacture, but it's irrelevant because a person can't possess it? I mean, I almost see that as the ultimate way out for the judge in the case. "Yes, you're right, but it's irrelevant." |
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