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Posted: 6/25/2024 6:57:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Pantone 296C for the recent stuff. Pretty dark to blend in with the raw carbon. https://i.imgur.com/pyqHcbi.jpeg Back when everything was glossy, it was a lighter blue. Pantone 655C. https://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/large_151784_MQvfMm98tuF63BMzVEDdDMzgM.jpg https://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/large_151784_yxnkkygaafovjjjqqbfwtfbhs.jpg I want Red Bull to bring back some purple. |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 8:35:56 AM EDT
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New gravel trap at the last corner in Austria to avoid the track limits fiasco we had last year.
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Posted: 6/25/2024 8:43:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2024 10:16:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryFinally new blood. |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 10:36:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: stampkolektor]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Finally new blood. Apparently Botas + new team is next to announce. Which means Sainz has already decided and is just waiting on press release? |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 10:56:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'll believe it when I see it official. |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 11:05:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: According to Newy that’s a myth. They build the car to be as fast as possible in a vacuum, then they ad the driver and start making compromises, the driver who can better adapt their style to the car in its fastest form and demand the fewest compromises will be quicker. Sure certain drivers mesh with certain cars better than others but the thought Max is the only one who could be successful in the current RB isn’t true. No other team has a car that only suits one driver to the extent Max is dominant over Perez. Vettel got on particularly well with the blown diffuser, especially rotating the car on turn-in. For whatever reason, nobody could match him on that. His drop in form in 2014 coincided with the end of that technical era and he looked quite ordinary again. In '92 Mansell was able to find the high margin in the active FW14B. Ricardo Patrese, who was frequently beating Mansell in the previous year's car, just could not get along with it. Schumacher was known to favor a very positive front-end. He also liked strong engine braking. In 1995, When Ferrari tried their new V10 - a better engine than the outgoing V12 - designer John Barnard was astonished to hear Schumacher complain he did not like the off-throttle character of the V10, because the V12's high internal friction suited the feel he liked on corner entry. Williams' Frank Dernie (engineered Montoya among others) said the best drivers did not pretend to know anything about the cars; rather they told the engineer what was happening and it was for the engineer to figure out how to get things how the driver liked them. No driver (apart from maybe Mansell who had some engineering education) would get into spring rates or aero maps. |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 11:07:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi: If I recall, there are a few tracks where pole is actually on the dirty side of the track. (I can't think of an example off hand, but I'll try to update if I do.) P2 can actually be a benefit in those cases. The most famous in F1 history is Suzuka 1990. |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 11:45:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: spyk3]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: Vettel got on particularly well with the blown diffuser, especially rotating the car on turn-in. For whatever reason, nobody could match him on that. His drop in form in 2014 coincided with the end of that technical era and he looked quite ordinary again. In '92 Mansell was able to find the high margin in the active FW14B. Ricardo Patrese, who was frequently beating Mansell in the previous year's car, just could not get along with it. Schumacher was known to favor a very positive front-end. He also liked strong engine braking. In 1995, When Ferrari tried their new V10 - a better engine than the outgoing V12 - designer John Barnard was astonished to hear Schumacher complain he did not like the off-throttle character of the V10, because the V12's high internal friction suited the feel he liked on corner entry. Williams' Frank Dernie (engineered Montoya among others) said the best drivers did not pretend to know anything about the cars; rather they told the engineer what was happening and it was for the engineer to figure out how to get things how the driver liked them. No driver (apart from maybe Mansell who had some engineering education) would get into spring rates or aero maps. You realize that was banned in 2012 regulations right? |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 11:53:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spyk3: You realize that was banned in 2012 regulations right? Not quite. RB had a coanda exhaust that year, which achieved (once they got it working) a very similar effect. It is a central thread of Newey's book. The extreme torque maps were reigned in, but the blown diffuser was still very much a thing until the turbo hybrid. |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 11:55:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: Not quite. RB had a coanda exhaust that year, which achieved (once they got it working) a very similar effect. It is a central thread of Newey's book. The extreme torque maps were reigned in, but the blown diffuser was still very much a thing until the turbo hybrid. Ok. |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 3:38:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Pantone 296C for the recent stuff. Pretty dark to blend in with the raw carbon. https://i.imgur.com/pyqHcbi.jpeg Back when everything was glossy, it was a lighter blue. Pantone 655C. https://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/large_151784_MQvfMm98tuF63BMzVEDdDMzgM.jpg https://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/large_151784_yxnkkygaafovjjjqqbfwtfbhs.jpg Agreed, outstanding information. Many tx *cheers* |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 5:18:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: Not quite. RB had a coanda exhaust that year, which achieved (once they got it working) a very similar effect. It is a central thread of Newey's book. The extreme torque maps were reigned in, but the blown diffuser was still very much a thing until the turbo hybrid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: Originally Posted By spyk3: You realize that was banned in 2012 regulations right? Not quite. RB had a coanda exhaust that year, which achieved (once they got it working) a very similar effect. It is a central thread of Newey's book. The extreme torque maps were reigned in, but the blown diffuser was still very much a thing until the turbo hybrid. I miss that noise   How the Formula 1 Blown Exhausts Sound Like - F1 2011 |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 5:38:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fike]
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: Originally Posted By Esterhase: Originally Posted By spyk3: You realize that was banned in 2012 regulations right? Not quite. RB had a coanda exhaust that year, which achieved (once they got it working) a very similar effect. It is a central thread of Newey's book. The extreme torque maps were reigned in, but the blown diffuser was still very much a thing until the turbo hybrid. I miss that noise  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGgvHflXgcIn an episode of Talking Bull, Chief Designer Craig Skinner brought in a 2012 exhaust and told the story on how they were able to make it work. Starts at 20:45.  How To Design a Championship Winning Formula 1 Car ?? | Talking Bull Podcast |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 5:46:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI absolutely hate the way the current cars sound. I would rather hear Danica Patrick be a talking head on Sky than hear the current cars. The new ones will sound like shit also. At least she looks good in, ah, any clothes. |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 5:59:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: I absolutely hate the way the current cars sound. I would rather hear Danica Patrick be a talking head on Sky than hear the current cars. The new ones will sound like shit also. At least she looks good in, ah, any clothes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: I absolutely hate the way the current cars sound. I would rather hear Danica Patrick be a talking head on Sky than hear the current cars. The new ones will sound like shit also. At least she looks good in, ah, any clothes. I’m guessing Danica’s days are numbered at Sky after her reptilian shapeshifter podcast has gone viral. |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 9:29:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fike]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: This is probably the first step in prepping the team to be sold. The team (Enstone) would be much more marketable with a customer PU deal already done. ETA: I’d even go so far to speculate that Flavio might have been brought in to operate as an intermediary between Renault and a potential buyer with a mandate to secure a PU provider, etc. If that is the case, the buyer is probably either Korean or Chinese. I’m going back to the conversation on Alpine possibly being sold and the news that (a) Carlos cancelled his planned announcement and (b) it is being reported that Alpine is now in the conversation for his services. I don’t think we are in a world where Carlos would choose to go to the current Alpine team, but it is interesting to consider what buyer might change his mind. |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 9:52:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: I’m guessing Danica’s days are numbered at Sky after her reptilian shapeshifter podcast has gone viral. We can only hope. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 8:43:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Teamer: We can only hope. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Teamer: Originally Posted By fike: I’m guessing Danica’s days are numbered at Sky after her reptilian shapeshifter podcast has gone viral. We can only hope. Looks like Daniel’s days are numbered as well.
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Posted: 6/26/2024 9:14:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Looks like Daniel's days are numbered as well.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By Teamer: Originally Posted By fike: I'm guessing Danica's days are numbered at Sky after her reptilian shapeshifter podcast has gone viral. We can only hope. Looks like Daniel's days are numbered as well.
He'll be a presenter on Sky next season. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 9:23:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: He'll be a presenter on Sky next season. (Also, Alex Brundle did really good on the Le Mans broadcast. He should take his father's place.) |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 9:24:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fike]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: He'll be a presenter on Sky next season. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By Teamer: Originally Posted By fike: I'm guessing Danica's days are numbered at Sky after her reptilian shapeshifter podcast has gone viral. We can only hope. Looks like Daniel's days are numbered as well.
He'll be a presenter on Sky next season. Probably for the best. He can replace Danica. Another possible option to see another rookie in a seat next year.
ETA: Leaking the above (now) is a pretty good indication that Carlos is probably going somewhere else. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 10:41:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Probably for the best. He can replace Danica. Another possible option to see another rookie in a seat next year.
ETA: Leaking the above (now) is a pretty good indication that Carlos is probably going somewhere else. Sounds like there is a seat at VCARB. All so confusing. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 10:56:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Sounds like there is a seat at VCARB. All so confusing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By fike: Probably for the best. He can replace Danica. Another possible option to see another rookie in a seat next year.
ETA: Leaking the above (now) is a pretty good indication that Carlos is probably going somewhere else. Sounds like there is a seat at VCARB. All so confusing. My guesses: - Daniel out at VCARB, replaced by Lawson - Everybody was set up for a Sainz announcement at Williams, but that got canceled. He is either being wooed back to Audi/Sauber or he has been informed (hot take) that Alpine (Endstone) is being purchased by Hyundai. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 11:13:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RattleCanAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: My guesses: - Daniel out at VCARB, replaced by Lawson - Everybody was set up for a Sainz announcement at Williams, but that got canceled. He is either being wooed back to Audi/Sauber or he has been informed (hot take) that Alpine (Endstone) is being purchased by Hyundai. Hyundai is popping up in ACC as track side advertising. N24 was the first I specifically noticed it. It may be on other circuits. It seems like they are trying break in more, but F1? I think Andretti will buy Alpine. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 12:17:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Hyundai is popping up in ACC as track side advertising. N24 was the first I specifically noticed it. It may be on other circuits. It seems like they are trying break in more, but F1? I think Andretti will buy Alpine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By fike: My guesses: - Daniel out at VCARB, replaced by Lawson - Everybody was set up for a Sainz announcement at Williams, but that got canceled. He is either being wooed back to Audi/Sauber or he has been informed (hot take) that Alpine (Endstone) is being purchased by Hyundai. Hyundai is popping up in ACC as track side advertising. N24 was the first I specifically noticed it. It may be on other circuits. It seems like they are trying break in more, but F1? I think Andretti will buy Alpine. I wish he’d go away. His lobbying to congress was a step too far. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 12:24:51 PM EDT
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Own a watch made from parts of F1 Lotus raced by Senna.
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Posted: 6/26/2024 12:29:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Javak: Own a watch made from parts of F1 Lotus raced by Senna. Wow that's actually a good looking watch and cheaper than I expected. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 12:50:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fike]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Hyundai is popping up in ACC as track side advertising. N24 was the first I specifically noticed it. It may be on other circuits. It seems like they are trying break in more, but F1? I think Andretti will buy Alpine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By fike: My guesses: - Daniel out at VCARB, replaced by Lawson - Everybody was set up for a Sainz announcement at Williams, but that got canceled. He is either being wooed back to Audi/Sauber or he has been informed (hot take) that Alpine (Endstone) is being purchased by Hyundai. Hyundai is popping up in ACC as track side advertising. N24 was the first I specifically noticed it. It may be on other circuits. It seems like they are trying break in more, but F1? I think Andretti will buy Alpine. The Hyundai F1 rumors have been going for a while and I don’t really see Carlos walking away from Audi or Williams to sign up for Andretti. I could be wrong, but there are significant question marks on what Andretti would do with Enstone and how much they will favor American drivers. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 1:04:51 PM EDT
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Would like to see Drugovich in F1. He had a great F2 campaign. The kid's got some speed. He very nearly subbed for Stroll after his bike accident.
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Posted: 6/26/2024 1:08:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: Would like to see Drugovich in F1. He had a great F2 campaign. The kid's got some speed. He very nearly subbed for Stroll after his bike accident. No doubt. And AM is a dead end for the foreseeable future. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 1:13:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi: Can you imagine a commentary team of Nico Rosberg and Danny Ric? That'd be epic. (Also, Alex Brundle did really good on the Le Mans broadcast. He should take his father's place.) I like Smilin' Dan, but I made it through 5 minutes of his horrific commentary with Will Arnett at Miami(?) last year and shut it off. He can't articulate his thoughts that fast. Nico is good, DC on F1TV is pretty good, but based on their press appearances most drivers couldn't commentate for shit. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 1:18:59 PM EDT
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Alex is a regular on the feeder races at F1TV, with Alex Jacques. He is very good. Great LMP2 racer as well.
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Posted: 6/26/2024 1:44:30 PM EDT
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AUSTRIAN GRAND PRIX SCHEDULE
FRI 06/28 FP1 6:30AM - ESPN2 SPRINT QUALI 10:30AM - ESPN2 SAT 06/29 SPRINT 6AM - ESPN2 QUALI 10AM - ESPN2 SUN 06/30 RACE 9AM - ESPN  Max Verstappen's Pole Lap | 2023 Austrian Grand Prix | Pirelli  Extended Race Highlights | 1999 Austrian Grand Prix |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 2:12:20 PM EDT
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Just received our seat assignments for Spa in my email.
Gold 3 grandstand, block C, row 5. So about where the arrow is.   |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 2:33:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi: Just received our seat assignments for Spa in my email. Gold 3 grandstand, block C, row 5. So about where the arrow is. https://i.postimg.cc/yds5XDTS/Gold-3-stand-copy.jpg Have a great time. You should have pretty decent access to the circuit too. It's a wonderful place. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 3:16:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/26/2024 3:28:36 PM EDT
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The only curiousity with Marko's statement is that it has been true since the inception of the team, upto and including last Summer. If he wants to say Ricciardo didn't work out he should just spit it out. He does not usually mince words.
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Posted: 6/26/2024 3:45:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: The only curiousity with Marko's statement is that it has been true since the inception of the team, upto and including last Summer. If he wants to say Ricciardo didn't work out he should just spit it out. He does not usually mince words. I think Marko is just trying to remind everyone that the young driver program/ feeder team was his idea in an attempt to stay relevant. Dieter is dead, Marko’s program hasn’t produced a top quality driver in quite a while, Horner wants him out. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 3:50:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: My guesses: - Daniel out at VCARB, replaced by Lawson - Everybody was set up for a Sainz announcement at Williams, but that got canceled. He is either being wooed back to Audi/Sauber or he has been informed (hot take) that Alpine (Endstone) is being purchased by Hyundai. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By fike: Probably for the best. He can replace Danica. Another possible option to see another rookie in a seat next year.
ETA: Leaking the above (now) is a pretty good indication that Carlos is probably going somewhere else. Sounds like there is a seat at VCARB. All so confusing. My guesses: - Daniel out at VCARB, replaced by Lawson - Everybody was set up for a Sainz announcement at Williams, but that got canceled. He is either being wooed back to Audi/Sauber or he has been informed (hot take) that Alpine (Endstone) is being purchased by Hyundai. Third option: Sainz is waiting for Checo to qualify 16th again this weekend and will be going back to Red Bull in 2025. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 4:27:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: I think Marko is just trying to remind everyone that the young driver program/ feeder team was his idea in an attempt to stay relevant. Dieter is dead, Marko’s program hasn’t produced a top quality driver in quite a while, Horner wants him out. That's a good point. I wonder what Tost would have made of it all. He was pretty cool, and did not have much time for Marko or Horner. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 4:58:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike:
An additional thought on the date. This year’s Goodwood is featuring Red Bull and Ricciardo is scheduled to participate between July 11-14. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 4:58:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Third option: Sainz is waiting for Checo to qualify 16th again this weekend and will be going back to Red Bull in 2025. Checo is team paycheck. He isn’t going anywhere. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 5:10:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Checo is team paycheck. He isn’t going anywhere. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Mblades: Third option: Sainz is waiting for Checo to qualify 16th again this weekend and will be going back to Red Bull in 2025. Checo is team paycheck. He isn’t going anywhere. Money is money, but the value is highly overestimated in a budget cap environment with the big teams putting up $100 million dollar EBITAs each season. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 5:13:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mblades]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Money is money, but the value is highly overestimated in a budget cap environment with the big teams putting up $100 million dollar EBITAs each season. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Mblades: Third option: Sainz is waiting for Checo to qualify 16th again this weekend and will be going back to Red Bull in 2025. Checo is team paycheck. He isn’t going anywhere. Money is money, but the value is highly overestimated in a budget cap environment with the big teams putting up $100 million dollar EBITAs each season. Yeah, that’s why I never thought he’d end up at RB in the first place. I didn’t think a pay driver would have any appeal to them. Edit: maybe I shouldn’t have said any appeal but not like a Haas or Williams. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 5:20:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: I would rather hear Danica Patrick be a talking head on Sky than hear the current cars. . I hope I never get to that point. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 5:24:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Yeah, that’s why I never thought he’d end up at RB in the first place. I didn’t think a pay driver would have any appeal to them. Edit: maybe I shouldn’t have said any appeal but not like a Haas or Williams. He brings in the money to pay Max. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 5:28:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Yeah, that’s why I never thought he’d end up at RB in the first place. I didn’t think a pay driver would have any appeal to them. Edit: maybe I shouldn’t have said any appeal but not like a Haas or Williams. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Mblades: Third option: Sainz is waiting for Checo to qualify 16th again this weekend and will be going back to Red Bull in 2025. Checo is team paycheck. He isn’t going anywhere. Money is money, but the value is highly overestimated in a budget cap environment with the big teams putting up $100 million dollar EBITAs each season. Yeah, that’s why I never thought he’d end up at RB in the first place. I didn’t think a pay driver would have any appeal to them. Edit: maybe I shouldn’t have said any appeal but not like a Haas or Williams. To be fair, his tenure with Red Bull has been successful…so far. 2021- Max WDC and hailed as “the minister of defense helping Max”. 2022 - WDC and WCC 2023 - WDC and WCC |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 5:29:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: He brings in the money to pay Max. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Mblades: Yeah, that’s why I never thought he’d end up at RB in the first place. I didn’t think a pay driver would have any appeal to them. Edit: maybe I shouldn’t have said any appeal but not like a Haas or Williams. He brings in the money to pay Max. Max brings in the money to pay Max, RB doesn’t need a pay driver for that. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 5:34:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: To be fair, his tenure with Red Bull has been successful…so far. 2021- Max WDC and hailed as “the minister of defense helping Max”. 2022 - WDC and WCC 2023 - WDC and WCC Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Mblades: Third option: Sainz is waiting for Checo to qualify 16th again this weekend and will be going back to Red Bull in 2025. Checo is team paycheck. He isn’t going anywhere. Money is money, but the value is highly overestimated in a budget cap environment with the big teams putting up $100 million dollar EBITAs each season. Yeah, that’s why I never thought he’d end up at RB in the first place. I didn’t think a pay driver would have any appeal to them. Edit: maybe I shouldn’t have said any appeal but not like a Haas or Williams. To be fair, his tenure with Red Bull has been successful…so far. 2021- Max WDC and hailed as “the minister of defense helping Max”. 2022 - WDC and WCC 2023 - WDC and WCC IMO that was the only performance since joining the team that’s been worth while. They didn’t even need to run a second car last year to take both championships. I don’t think there is a single driver on the grid you could have put in that car the last two years and gotten a different result. |
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