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Posted: 6/23/2024 7:45:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: I love Checo, but it's time. Id rather see Yuki in the second car. He's frustrating when he finished last year 2nd in points, and is still 5th this year but has races like today where he's not competitive with the cars the RB should be in the mix with as the number 2 driver. |
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Posted: 6/23/2024 7:48:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: With every fiber of my being yes.....but I think they gave him such a "Mega" deal to push his bullshit agenda he doesn't care. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Originally Posted By sgthatred: Just finished watching the race. You think Lewis is starting to question jumping to Ferrari now? With every fiber of my being yes.....but I think they gave him such a "Mega" deal to push his bullshit agenda he doesn't care. I also think Fred, is regretting the signing. It seems every misfortune HAM has had this year the camera has cut to him grimmacing. |
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Posted: 6/23/2024 7:59:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: I love Checo, but it's time. Id rather see Yuki in the second car. The entertainment value would be maxed out. But yea at this point make a mid year swap. |
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Posted: 6/23/2024 8:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drewptwo: I really need to invest in F1 TV. Post race on ESPN still hasn't started for some stupid reason. Getting F1 TV has been completely worth it for me. I can watch practices, qualifying, and races on my schedule plus the archive has a huge amount of footage from past races all the way back to 1970. It's well worth $85/yr to me. |
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Posted: 6/23/2024 8:48:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: Getting F1 TV has been completely worth it for me. I can watch practices, qualifying, and races on my schedule plus the archive has a huge amount of footage from past races all the way back to 1970. It's well worth $85/yr to me. agreed, totally worth it |
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Posted: 6/23/2024 8:52:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: Getting F1 TV has been completely worth it for me. I can watch practices, qualifying, and races on my schedule plus the archive has a huge amount of footage from past races all the way back to 1970. It's well worth $85/yr to me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: Originally Posted By drewptwo: I really need to invest in F1 TV. Post race on ESPN still hasn't started for some stupid reason. Getting F1 TV has been completely worth it for me. I can watch practices, qualifying, and races on my schedule plus the archive has a huge amount of footage from past races all the way back to 1970. It's well worth $85/yr to me. So worth it I had 2 subscriptions. I got an email the other day saying my coverage had lapses but looked back and realized I paid right before the season started. I jumped on the chat with them and quickly figured out I’ve had 2 accounts for the past 3 years |
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Posted: 6/23/2024 10:05:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebel31: He's frustrating when he finished last year 2nd in points, and is still 5th this year but has races like today where he's not competitive with the cars the RB should be in the mix with as the number 2 driver. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebel31: Originally Posted By Taboot: I love Checo, but it's time. Id rather see Yuki in the second car. He's frustrating when he finished last year 2nd in points, and is still 5th this year but has races like today where he's not competitive with the cars the RB should be in the mix with as the number 2 driver. Saying he finished last year 2nd in points doesn’t really tell the whole story, anyone on the grid would have finished 2nd in points in that car. Max scored double the points Checo did and could have won both championship on his own. Checo is terrible and has been getting the absolute least out of the best car on the grid since joining the team. The RB has been such a superior car it hasn’t come back to bite RB yet but that day seems near. I get the idea behind signing Checo to placate the Max and Marco faction and add some stability to a tumultuous time in the team but it’s going to screw then out of a constructors championship if they don’t pivot. If Piastri hadn’t blown his qualifying lap he would have been on the podium closing the gap to RB. Ferrari shot themselves in the foot in Canada(and will probably do it again at least a couple more times) but they are still only 60pts behind. They have Redbull’s home race in Austria and the Milton Keynes teams home race at Silverstone up the next two weeks. I think if Checo can’t find a way to stop having such embarrassing performances and find his way on the podium at least once his shiny new contract is going in the shredder. |
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Posted: 6/23/2024 10:06:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PinePig]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gohuskers: Yeah. Not many folks showing up anymore. Just got done watching it, great race today. |
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Posted: 6/23/2024 11:12:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Saying he finished last year 2nd in points doesn’t really tell the whole story, anyone on the grid would have finished 2nd in points in that car. Max scored double the points Checo did and could have won both championship on his own. Checo is terrible and has been getting the absolute least out of the best car on the grid since joining the team. The RB has been such a superior car it hasn’t come back to bite RB yet but that day seems near. I get the idea behind signing Checo to placate the Max and Marco faction and add some stability to a tumultuous time in the team but it’s going to screw then out of a constructors championship if they don’t pivot. If Piastri hadn’t blown his qualifying lap he would have been on the podium closing the gap to RB. Ferrari shot themselves in the foot in Canada(and will probably do it again at least a couple more times) but they are still only 60pts behind. They have Redbull’s home race in Austria and the Milton Keynes teams home race at Silverstone up the next two weeks. I think if Checo can’t find a way to stop having such embarrassing performances and find his way on the podium at least once his shiny new contract is going in the shredder. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By Rebel31: Originally Posted By Taboot: I love Checo, but it's time. Id rather see Yuki in the second car. He's frustrating when he finished last year 2nd in points, and is still 5th this year but has races like today where he's not competitive with the cars the RB should be in the mix with as the number 2 driver. Saying he finished last year 2nd in points doesn’t really tell the whole story, anyone on the grid would have finished 2nd in points in that car. Max scored double the points Checo did and could have won both championship on his own. Checo is terrible and has been getting the absolute least out of the best car on the grid since joining the team. The RB has been such a superior car it hasn’t come back to bite RB yet but that day seems near. I get the idea behind signing Checo to placate the Max and Marco faction and add some stability to a tumultuous time in the team but it’s going to screw then out of a constructors championship if they don’t pivot. If Piastri hadn’t blown his qualifying lap he would have been on the podium closing the gap to RB. Ferrari shot themselves in the foot in Canada(and will probably do it again at least a couple more times) but they are still only 60pts behind. They have Redbull’s home race in Austria and the Milton Keynes teams home race at Silverstone up the next two weeks. I think if Checo can’t find a way to stop having such embarrassing performances and find his way on the podium at least once his shiny new contract is going in the shredder. I’m not a Checo fan, but after looking at the numbers it isn’t exactly dire for the constructors at this point. Crazy stat. If you take everyone’s average finishing points over the last four races (in which Checo’s average points were 2 per race) and apply them to the rest of the season, Red Bull still wins the constructors. That’s with Max doing Max things (avg 20 points per race) and Checo only collecting 28 points for the rest of the season. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 12:20:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: I saw it. There will always be gray areas and work arounds. That’s what makes F1 great. The FIA deemed that AM went too far last year and they went from podiums to midfield overnight. With the way these cars work, it is extremely powerful. This year, something similar is being done and they are allowing it. Not a complaint on my end. Just that there is a ton of performance on offer and it will take teams a while to implement the upgrade. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By not_sure: Originally Posted By fike: With the FIA now “allowing” flexible front wings, we shouldn’t underestimate the performance advantage some teams currently have. And to not sound like a conspiracy theorist, look no further than Aston Martin last year. Nothing is perfectly rigid, there will always be some flexibility in any structure. The beams on a bridge will deflect some from you driving over it. So the FIA specs a maximum deflection for a specified load. The trick is to comply with this and still have the wing lose down force and drag at high speed. ETA, if you have F1TV, Sam Collins did a segment on this topic. I saw it. There will always be gray areas and work arounds. That’s what makes F1 great. The FIA deemed that AM went too far last year and they went from podiums to midfield overnight. With the way these cars work, it is extremely powerful. This year, something similar is being done and they are allowing it. Not a complaint on my end. Just that there is a ton of performance on offer and it will take teams a while to implement the upgrade. My guess is they are designing the elements to rotate under aero load. The teams have some pretty clever people working very hard to make each of those cars go faster. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 8:03:54 AM EDT
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 "Alpine have entered the race to sign Carlos Sainz for 2025, sources have confirmed to ESPN." ESPN F1 FB page |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 8:19:13 AM EDT
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I believe the problem with Checo is the field caught up.
RB doesnt field the best car in the track anymore, given track to track another other top team can take it. It just shows you how good MAX is that as a driver he is still leaps and bounds ahead of others even with "superior" cars. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 8:40:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tifosi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: I'm not a Checo fan, but after looking at the numbers it isn't exactly dire for the constructors at this point. Crazy stat. If you take everyone's average finishing points over the last four races (in which Checo's average points were 2 per race) and apply them to the rest of the season, Red Bull still wins the constructors. That's with Max doing Max things (avg 20 points per race) and Checo only collecting 28 points for the rest of the season. but the last few seasons he has been laser focused. Absolute precision in every apex, every braking zone. Love him or not, we are getting to witness one of the greatest drivers in F1 ever, in real time. **eta: I think that made the difference yesterday. Max's absolute precise driving vs. Lando maybe just making a small mistake here or there. Just small things that interrupted his flow or resulted in inconsistent laps. To beat Max, he (or anyone else) is going to need to drive to Max's level of precision and consistency. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 8:44:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RattleCanAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spartan16: https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/449086696_861509759343740_1842380174623420935_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=K_1xmH6NZv0Q7kNvgEjvqwY&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-2.xx&oh=00_AYBm1lmDE-hWYqP_DJAhl2QyvbaK0AulMWHtr2Pi4VqPaQ&oe=667F1F53 "Alpine have entered the race to sign Carlos Sainz for 2025, sources have confirmed to ESPN." ESPN F1 FB page Alpine cars have improved a great deal and I believe they are going away from Renault for PP. With a better engine they could be . Put the Haas/Ferrari PP in the Alpine aero and you could be there. Right now Carlos is driving for himself. The team fired him for a DEI hire. FLH. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 8:57:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: I love Checo, but it's time. Id rather see Yuki in the second car. Is it the car? Max said look at the gap between him and Checo. The car is not the fastest on the grid. He just gets 110% out of it. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 9:25:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tifosi: That's insane. Max is simply on another level. I know he had earned the nickname "Crashstappen" early on in his career, but the last few seasons he has been laser focused. Absolute precision in every apex, every braking zone. Love him or not, we are getting to witness one of the greatest drivers in F1 ever, in real time. **eta: I think that made the difference yesterday. Max's absolute precise driving vs. Lando maybe just making a small mistake here or there. Just small things that interrupted his flow or resulted in inconsistent laps. To beat Max, he (or anyone else) is going to need to drive to Max's level of precision and consistency. Originally Posted By Roland-G23: Is it the car? Max said look at the gap between him and Checo. The car is not the fastest on the grid. He just gets 110% out of it. These. We're starting to see the separation of man and machine. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 9:38:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By seamasterpro: agreed, totally worth it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By seamasterpro: Originally Posted By 917-30: Getting F1 TV has been completely worth it for me. I can watch practices, qualifying, and races on my schedule plus the archive has a huge amount of footage from past races all the way back to 1970. It's well worth $85/yr to me. agreed, totally worth it m |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 9:43:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Alpine cars have improved a great deal and I believe they are going away from Renault for PP. With a better engine they could be . Put the Haas/Ferrari PP in the Alpine aero and you could be there. Right now Carlos is driving for himself. The team fired him for a DEI hire. FLH. Where did you hear that? I think there is a 0% chance Renault keeps a majority ownership in the team and stops using their own engine. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 9:46:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stampkolektor: I believe the problem with Checo is the field caught up. RB doesnt field the best car in the track anymore, given track to track another other top team can take it. It just shows you how good MAX is that as a driver he is still leaps and bounds ahead of others even with "superior" cars. Across the board I think the Red Bull is still the best car on the grid. I also think Max is the best driver out there but even he’s not talented enough(nobody is) to consistently be at the front of the pack with a mid field car. Checo is just that bad. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 9:48:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Where did you hear that? I think there is a 0% chance Renault keeps a majority ownership in the team and stops using their own engine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Alpine cars have improved a great deal and I believe they are going away from Renault for PP. With a better engine they could be . Put the Haas/Ferrari PP in the Alpine aero and you could be there. Right now Carlos is driving for himself. The team fired him for a DEI hire. FLH. Where did you hear that? I think there is a 0% chance Renault keeps a majority ownership in the team and stops using their own engine. It has been a story over the last few weeks. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what-f1s-rules-say-about-alpines-engine-choice-for-2026/10624547/ |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 10:09:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: It has been a story over the last few weeks. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what-f1s-rules-say-about-alpines-engine-choice-for-2026/10624547/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Alpine cars have improved a great deal and I believe they are going away from Renault for PP. With a better engine they could be . Put the Haas/Ferrari PP in the Alpine aero and you could be there. Right now Carlos is driving for himself. The team fired him for a DEI hire. FLH. Where did you hear that? I think there is a 0% chance Renault keeps a majority ownership in the team and stops using their own engine. It has been a story over the last few weeks. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what-f1s-rules-say-about-alpines-engine-choice-for-2026/10624547/ Interesting, I hadn’t seen that. I still think there is no chance a French team will be using a German, British, or Italian engine in their car, too much pride. Maybe Flavio and Ryan Reynolds can pool their money from cheating casinos and cheap cellphones to buy the team. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 10:26:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fike]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Interesting, I hadn’t seen that. I still think there is no chance a French team will be using a German, British, or Italian engine in their car, too much pride. Maybe Flavio and Ryan Reynolds can pool their money from cheating casinos and cheap cellphones to buy the team. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Alpine cars have improved a great deal and I believe they are going away from Renault for PP. With a better engine they could be . Put the Haas/Ferrari PP in the Alpine aero and you could be there. Right now Carlos is driving for himself. The team fired him for a DEI hire. FLH. Where did you hear that? I think there is a 0% chance Renault keeps a majority ownership in the team and stops using their own engine. It has been a story over the last few weeks. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what-f1s-rules-say-about-alpines-engine-choice-for-2026/10624547/ Interesting, I hadn’t seen that. I still think there is no chance a French team will be using a German, British, or Italian engine in their car, too much pride. Maybe Flavio and Ryan Reynolds can pool their money from cheating casinos and cheap cellphones to buy the team. This is probably the first step in prepping the team to be sold. The team (Enstone) would be much more marketable with a customer PU deal already done. ETA: I’d even go so far to speculate that Flavio might have been brought in to operate as an intermediary between Renault and a potential buyer with a mandate to secure a PU provider, etc. If that is the case, the buyer is probably either Korean or Chinese. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 10:41:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Where did you hear that? I think there is a 0% chance Renault keeps a majority ownership in the team and stops using their own engine. Getting sold to Andretti |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 1:13:47 PM EDT
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Pretty bizarre.
Kym Ilman mentioned that everyone was planning on Carlos’ 2025 team announcement to happen this weekend to the extent that Netflix had an extra crew on site. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 2:33:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2024 2:51:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: According to reliable sources, Logan Sargeant is set to transition from Formula 1 to IndyCar next year. Indy walls and speeds are not forgiving. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 3:08:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: anesvick]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi: That's insane. Max is simply on another level. I know he had earned the nickname "Crashstappen" early on in his career, but the last few seasons he has been laser focused. Absolute precision in every apex, every braking zone. Love him or not, we are getting to witness one of the greatest drivers in F1 ever, in real time. **eta: I think that made the difference yesterday. Max's absolute precise driving vs. Lando maybe just making a small mistake here or there. Just small things that interrupted his flow or resulted in inconsistent laps. To beat Max, he (or anyone else) is going to need to drive to Max's level of precision and consistency. Ergo, other drivers can't match them, even in the same car. That doesn't take away the fact though that Max is an amazing driver, just like Seb was during the prime of his career. Now if the other teams would just learn to build cars around their drivers. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 3:15:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: According to reliable sources, Logan Sargeant is set to transition from Formula 1 to IndyCar next year. I think just about anyone who watches F1 could be considered a reliable source for that news. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 3:15:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: Same thing that happened with Vettel... RBR built the car around him, magnifying his strengths and alleviating weaknesses. Ergo, other drivers can't match them, even in the same car. That doesn't take away the fact though that Max is an amazing driver, just like Seb was during the prime of his career. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: Originally Posted By tifosi: That's insane. Max is simply on another level. I know he had earned the nickname "Crashstappen" early on in his career, but the last few seasons he has been laser focused. Absolute precision in every apex, every braking zone. Love him or not, we are getting to witness one of the greatest drivers in F1 ever, in real time. **eta: I think that made the difference yesterday. Max's absolute precise driving vs. Lando maybe just making a small mistake here or there. Just small things that interrupted his flow or resulted in inconsistent laps. To beat Max, he (or anyone else) is going to need to drive to Max's level of precision and consistency. Ergo, other drivers can't match them, even in the same car. That doesn't take away the fact though that Max is an amazing driver, just like Seb was during the prime of his career. According to Newy that’s a myth. They build the car to be as fast as possible in a vacuum, then they ad the driver and start making compromises, the driver who can better adapt their style to the car in its fastest form and demand the fewest compromises will be quicker. Sure certain drivers mesh with certain cars better than others but the thought Max is the only one who could be successful in the current RB isn’t true. No other team has a car that only suits one driver to the extent Max is dominant over Perez. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 3:46:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: danpass]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: According to reliable sources, Logan Sargeant is set to transition from Formula 1 to IndyCar next year. I thought I read (heard?) a comment that Albon made that they’re sacrificing the current design in favor of developing the 2026 car. That can’t have helped SAR. Maybe that’s why Vowles kept him on for this season. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 3:51:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass:
I thought I read (heard?) a comment that Albon made that they’re sacrificing the current design in favor of developing the 2026 car. That can’t have helped SAR. Maybe that’s why Vowles kept him on for this season. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 4:02:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: According to Newy that’s a myth. They build the car to be as fast as possible in a vacuum, then they ad the driver and start making compromises, the driver who can better adapt their style to the car in its fastest form and demand the fewest compromises will be quicker. Sure certain drivers mesh with certain cars better than others but the thought Max is the only one who could be successful in the current RB isn’t true. No other team has a car that only suits one driver to the extent Max is dominant over Perez. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By anesvick: Originally Posted By tifosi: That's insane. Max is simply on another level. I know he had earned the nickname "Crashstappen" early on in his career, but the last few seasons he has been laser focused. Absolute precision in every apex, every braking zone. Love him or not, we are getting to witness one of the greatest drivers in F1 ever, in real time. **eta: I think that made the difference yesterday. Max's absolute precise driving vs. Lando maybe just making a small mistake here or there. Just small things that interrupted his flow or resulted in inconsistent laps. To beat Max, he (or anyone else) is going to need to drive to Max's level of precision and consistency. Ergo, other drivers can't match them, even in the same car. That doesn't take away the fact though that Max is an amazing driver, just like Seb was during the prime of his career. According to Newy that’s a myth. They build the car to be as fast as possible in a vacuum, then they ad the driver and start making compromises, the driver who can better adapt their style to the car in its fastest form and demand the fewest compromises will be quicker. Sure certain drivers mesh with certain cars better than others but the thought Max is the only one who could be successful in the current RB isn’t true. No other team has a car that only suits one driver to the extent Max is dominant over Perez. So you are saying that the guy who designed the car says this often repeated conspiracy theory is rubbish??? They don't have some special super secret way of building a car that only works for Max??? Well color me suprised. It gets repeated here so much I was starting to think it might be real!  |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 5:09:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warp_foo: And completely Sky Sports presenter free. m Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warp_foo: Originally Posted By seamasterpro: Originally Posted By 917-30: Getting F1 TV has been completely worth it for me. I can watch practices, qualifying, and races on my schedule plus the archive has a huge amount of footage from past races all the way back to 1970. It's well worth $85/yr to me. agreed, totally worth it m So, no Danica? If so, I'm in. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 5:10:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Janus: I believe teams are not allowed to work on the 2026 regulations until 1/1/2025. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Janus: Originally Posted By danpass: I thought I read (heard?) a comment that Albon made that they’re sacrificing the current design in favor of developing the 2026 car. That can’t have helped SAR. Maybe that’s why Vowles kept him on for this season. I believe teams are not allowed to work on the 2026 regulations until 1/1/2025. They could have applied wind tunnel or CFD time prior to 12/1/2023 or they can have “working groups” (but no aero stuff) currently. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 5:13:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2024 5:46:51 PM EDT
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One thing I don’t understand about pole position …. it’s never the inside line. Why not?
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Posted: 6/24/2024 5:49:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: One thing I don’t understand about pole position …. it’s never the inside line. Why not? It’s on the racing line, which is typically where the grip is. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 5:53:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: It’s on the racing line, which is typically where the grip is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By danpass: One thing I don’t understand about pole position …. it’s never the inside line. Why not? It’s on the racing line, which is typically where the grip is. But the first thing you see is the pole sitter coming over to the inside, and not just to cut someone off, but to get to ‘the inside’. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 5:57:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mars87]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: But the first thing you see is the pole sitter coming over to the inside, and not just to cut someone off, but to get to ‘the inside’. Can post an example? I’m not sure I’ve seen someone leave the racing line if they aren’t trying to cover off an inside move. Edit - They will also move over to discourage a turn one, lap one dive bomb. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 6:01:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Can post an example? I’m not sure I’ve seen someone leave the racing line if they aren’t trying to cover off an inside move. The Spain race brought this to mind and it seems that every race start this year has been like this. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 6:04:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: D_J]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: One thing I don’t understand about pole position …. it’s never the inside line. Why not? In most corners the apex is center-back, meaning it’s usually at or past the 50% point of the curve. Approaching a corner and reaching the inside line (curbing) before the apex is almost always slower and least efficient. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 6:04:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: The Spain race brought this to mind and it seems that every race start this year has been like this. Lando got an ok start, Max got a better start. Lando moved over to hopefully get the inside line going into the corner. If the pole sitter had a choice of where P1 lined up at the start of the race, it would almost always be on the racing line. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 6:06:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roland-G23: Is it the car? Max said look at the gap between him and Checo. The car is not the fastest on the grid. He just gets 110% out of it. This one. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 6:20:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: It's on the racing line, which is typically where the grip is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By danpass: One thing I don't understand about pole position . it's never the inside line. Why not? It's on the racing line, which is typically where the grip is. (I can't think of an example off hand, but I'll try to update if I do.) P2 can actually be a benefit in those cases. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 6:22:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: But the first thing you see is the pole sitter coming over to the inside, and not just to cut someone off, but to get to 'the inside'. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: Originally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By danpass: One thing I don't understand about pole position . it's never the inside line. Why not? It's on the racing line, which is typically where the grip is. But the first thing you see is the pole sitter coming over to the inside, and not just to cut someone off, but to get to 'the inside'. Once they're into second or third gear, it's much less of an issue. At that point, they want to defend against the car behind. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 8:03:05 PM EDT
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For those who haven't seen an F1 gearbox:
 What's Inside a £250,000 F1 Gearbox? m |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 10:06:23 PM EDT
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Totally off topic but I’m trying to wrap a MX helmet and match the livery on the RB20. Anyone familiar with the correct blue RBR uses on their stuff? There are a few Etsy stores that sell the sponsor decals.
Matte Metallic Midnight Blue |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 11:01:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spartan16: https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/449086696_861509759343740_1842380174623420935_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=K_1xmH6NZv0Q7kNvgEjvqwY&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-2.xx&oh=00_AYBm1lmDE-hWYqP_DJAhl2QyvbaK0AulMWHtr2Pi4VqPaQ&oe=667F1F53 "Alpine have entered the race to sign Carlos Sainz for 2025, sources have confirmed to ESPN." ESPN F1 FB page Can you imagine the bitching with both Leclerc and Hamilton on the same team? Ferrari should issue team earplugs. |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 11:10:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gpho21: Totally off topic but I’m trying to wrap a MX helmet and match the livery on the RB20. Anyone familiar with the correct blue RBR uses on their stuff? There are a few Etsy stores that sell the sponsor decals. Matte Metallic Midnight Blue Pantone 296C for the recent stuff. Pretty dark to blend in with the raw carbon.  Back when everything was glossy, it was a lighter blue. Pantone 655C.   |
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Posted: 6/24/2024 11:31:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Pantone 296C for the recent stuff. Pretty dark to blend in with the raw carbon. https://i.imgur.com/pyqHcbi.jpeg Back when everything was glossy, it was a lighter blue. Pantone 655C. https://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/large_151784_MQvfMm98tuF63BMzVEDdDMzgM.jpg https://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/large_151784_yxnkkygaafovjjjqqbfwtfbhs.jpg Awesome post. Thank you sir |
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