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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:14:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Miracle_Pants]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: Yeah, but I consider that to be a primarily pro-Russian move since Russia already has a Black Sea fleet. The real question is whether Turkey, being a NATO member, would deny passage of a NATO ship. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By JTF2: Erdogan per Turkey has to date not sanctioned Russia nor has it closed it's airspace to Russian air planes. The best you could say of them is that they have been willing to SELL TB2's to Ukraine. To the best of my knowledge, they have donated/given squat in the way of military aid to Ukraine. Turkey has also purchased the S-400 air defence system from the Russians against the direct wishes of NATO. IMHO, Turkey should be told to step up to the plate or be drummed out of NATO and go it alone if the crap hits the fan for them. Turkey at this point wants all of the benefits and very few of the responsibilities re membership in NATO. The real question is whether Turkey, being a NATO member, would deny passage of a NATO ship. CSG-8 is currently in the Adriatic. I'm not exactly an expert on Naval weaponry or anything but I would be surprised if the air wings and cruise missiles couldn't hit everything in the Black Sea if wanted. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:15:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockMech: You could probably get all the benefits of a shooty-shooty TDF by standing up an "Civil Defense Force" that had some basic rifle training, but mostly focused on things like rescue, relief, forest fires (though leaving most of the real firefighting to the actual firefighters, etc), emergency radio comms, evacuation, etc. Kind of like the German THW. Once you've got a force of trained volunteers with clear paramilitary command structures......if world events turn poor, you can always issue them M16s and emphasize the "Defense" in "Civil Defense". Basic duties would be perimeter guard, logistics, hard point defense, ( since we can't all have javelins and stuff ) some recce work, or simple observation and reporting. Plus, they would deal in comms coordination, loading and unloading of supplies, Tactical emergency care, janitorial stuff, and probably mortuary services. So, basically, they would be training to do the heavy lifting and ease the burden of the real first responders to respond to stuff they could do something about. It also frees up the cooks to cook, mechanics to wrench, ad nauseum. In order to truly understand how it works, an ICS course and a TECC course would be appropriate. Also, in order to properly manage comms and net protocols, having a ham license is a great way to get training. Other stuff could be handled mostly by checklists. There's so much information to pass that having a checklist is the easiest way to ensure proper formatting, because messages will be retransmitted up the chain, and you want them solid when they get to their destination. Their primary purpose would be to not engage with hostile forces, since it would be better to remain undetected and relay information to the big guns. But if they are armed, all the better. 100 extra guns and interlocking fire with firing stakes and a whole of of relatively untrained people could definitely hold a line if necessary. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:18:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Zero chance I’d step foot on a battlefield with an IR strobe like that unless I was ABSOLUTELY certain there was no NOD capability on the other side. It was posted about a week ago in this thread that the Russians do not use NODs amongst their general troops. That’s probably why these guys are rocking IR. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:18:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:18:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverLightning: Russians are fucked now.  It was a fundraiser to help Ukrainian refugees. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:19:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miracle_Pants: CSG-8 is currently in the Adriatic. I'm not exactly an expert on Naval weaponry or anything but I would be surprised if the air wings and cruise missiles couldn't hit everything in the Black Sea if wanted. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miracle_Pants: Originally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By JTF2: Erdogan per Turkey has to date not sanctioned Russia nor has it closed it's airspace to Russian air planes. The best you could say of them is that they have been willing to SELL TB2's to Ukraine. To the best of my knowledge, they have donated/given squat in the way of military aid to Ukraine. Turkey has also purchased the S-400 air defence system from the Russians against the direct wishes of NATO. IMHO, Turkey should be told to step up to the plate or be drummed out of NATO and go it alone if the crap hits the fan for them. Turkey at this point wants all of the benefits and very few of the responsibilities re membership in NATO. The real question is whether Turkey, being a NATO member, would deny passage of a NATO ship. CSG-8 is currently in the Adriatic. I'm not exactly an expert on Naval weaponry or anything but I would be surprised if the air wings and cruise missiles couldn't hit everything in the Black Sea if wanted. The violence of action that CSG could unleash against every Russian naval asset in the eastern Mediterranean and Black Sea if given the order to attack would be mind blowing. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:20:04 PM EDT
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 Not bad but it needs flames |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:20:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Has anyone heard of what's going on in Russia for the average folks as far as their daily routine is concerned? I asked the same question a few days ago and someone pointed out a guy from Russia saying all the stuff that's been banned, but I wonder how it's affecting the guy on the street - or is it too early in the process to notice much difference? This is a good channel for the info you seek. https://youtube.com/channel/UCZpOAIs1gWV76SEuzfGgG8w |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:20:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miracle_Pants: Right, despite the way Erdogan often acts, Turkey is still a NATO member. A violation of Turkey's right to control the straits would allow NATO to become further involved. The Russian Black Sea fleet would stand little chance against a CSG. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miracle_Pants: Originally Posted By Sokarul: Originally Posted By MBUZICHOMA: They said they did. I doubt they would stop a Russian ship from passing though. Russia wouldn't want to break it as it would mean the US could put anything they wanted in the Black Sea. Right, despite the way Erdogan often acts, Turkey is still a NATO member. A violation of Turkey's right to control the straits would allow NATO to become further involved. The Russian Black Sea fleet would stand little chance against a CSG. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:20:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Has anyone heard of what's going on in Russia for the average folks as far as their daily routine is concerned? I asked the same question a few days ago and someone pointed out a guy from Russia saying all the stuff that's been banned, but I wonder how it's affecting the guy on the street - or is it too early in the process to notice much difference? This is a good channel for the info you seek. https://youtube.com/channel/UCZpOAIs1gWV76SEuzfGgG8w This one too. https://youtube.com/c/MultiNfz |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:21:46 PM EDT
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this is great and all, but sign the Constitutional Carry Bill already.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:22:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: This is a good channel for the info you seek. https://youtube.com/channel/UCZpOAIs1gWV76SEuzfGgG8w Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Has anyone heard of what's going on in Russia for the average folks as far as their daily routine is concerned? I asked the same question a few days ago and someone pointed out a guy from Russia saying all the stuff that's been banned, but I wonder how it's affecting the guy on the street - or is it too early in the process to notice much difference? This is a good channel for the info you seek. https://youtube.com/channel/UCZpOAIs1gWV76SEuzfGgG8w Been watching that channel. Pretty good info. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:22:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Durka-Durka: FO Rooster has been spotted, folks. Looks like he's in a purely advisory position. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/388557722796425217/951592261223870564/98GEYpm.png |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:24:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: It was posted about a week ago in this thread that the Russians do not use NODs amongst their general troops. That's probably why these guys are rocking IR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Yobro512: Zero chance I'd step foot on a battlefield with an IR strobe like that unless I was ABSOLUTELY certain there was no NOD capability on the other side. It was posted about a week ago in this thread that the Russians do not use NODs amongst their general troops. That's probably why these guys are rocking IR. Russia has no vehicles equipped with night vision? OK I get not every grunt not having them but I just can believe they don't have some type of NV equipment. If this is true the Russian military is the biggest joke on the planet. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:25:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Getcha some!!!  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Getcha some!!! 
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:26:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PurpleOtter]
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I swear to god they must be reading ARFCOM!
Russia's bioweapon conspiracy theory finds support in US Russia's baseless claims about secret American biological warfare labs in Ukraine are taking root in the U.S. too, uniting COVID-19 conspiracy theorists, QAnon adherents and some supporters of ex-President Donald Trump. Despite rebuttals from independent scientists, Ukrainian leaders and officials at the White House and Pentagon, the online popularity of the claims suggests some Americans are willing to trust Kremlin propaganda over the U.S. media and government. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:29:30 PM EDT
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 Attached Filenote found in the volunteer aid package: “Take care of your dicks, guys! We should be making more Cossacks after this! - Girls from Antalya” |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:30:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: Yeah, but I consider that to be a primarily pro-Russian move since Russia already has a Black Sea fleet. The real question is whether Turkey, being a NATO member, would deny passage of a NATO ship. Furthermore, Russia had already moved a lot of ships from the Baltics into the black sea before they made this call. This move was made too late to make much of a difference. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:33:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HecklerKoch_USP: Furthermore, Russia had already moved a lot of ships from the Baltics into the black sea before they made this call. This move was made too late to make much of a difference. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HecklerKoch_USP: Originally Posted By 74HC: Yeah, but I consider that to be a primarily pro-Russian move since Russia already has a Black Sea fleet. The real question is whether Turkey, being a NATO member, would deny passage of a NATO ship. Furthermore, Russia had already moved a lot of ships from the Baltics into the black sea before they made this call. This move was made too late to make much of a difference. Turkey had no grounds,by convention,to stop them before hostilities. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:33:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HecklerKoch_USP: Furthermore, Russia had already moved a lot of ships from the Baltics into the black sea before they made this call. This move was made too late to make much of a difference. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HecklerKoch_USP: Originally Posted By 74HC: Yeah, but I consider that to be a primarily pro-Russian move since Russia already has a Black Sea fleet. The real question is whether Turkey, being a NATO member, would deny passage of a NATO ship. Furthermore, Russia had already moved a lot of ships from the Baltics into the black sea before they made this call. This move was made too late to make much of a difference. As I understand, per the Montreux Convention it couldn't be closed before hostilities. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:36:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Anywhere else we can see this stuff? Doesn't work for those of us who don't use twitter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By M-1975:
Holy shit show... Anywhere else we can see this stuff? Doesn't work for those of us who don't use twitter. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:36:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Azygos: If not, they seem awfully confident that the Russians don’t have any passive night vision. Night vision is passive... 
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:37:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Meanwhile, in Russia, the meteor has HIT. Their currency has lost nearly all its value, they're disconnected from international banking systems, their goods can no longer be sold in most of the world, and most of the world is no longer willing to sell them anything. They are good and properly fucked on a multi-generational level. The Great Depression was a minor, industry-specific slump compared to what the Russians are about to go through. It's going to take a bit for the poison to sink in to their economy, but a fatal dose has been administered. this |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:38:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Well worth the 30 min to watch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: @Zhukov Have you read any Peter Zeihan? He's spent the past decade writing a series of books and making many, many presentations about the history of the Global Order (America Police guaranteeing free trade, aka Globalism), why it's folding up shop, and how there'd be a wildfire of regional wars and enormous power shifts following it. We are living in the post America Police/smoldering wildfires are igniting/power is shifting fast stage right now. He's a demographic/geographic determinist who backs up his theories with reams of data. He's not always right on the micro level but I think he's got the broad outline nailed. He's got a higher opinion of the Russian military than I can currently credit them, I guess we'll see about that. And he didn't predict the instant global cancellation of the Russia economy IIRC. His books are interesting and there's a thousand videos of his presentations on Youtube. His opinion has been rapidly becoming more mainstream, he just gave a presentation at Fort Benning. He recently freaked out this professional financial news reporter about four times in half an hour:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq75Av59-YUWell worth the 30 min to watch. Yep. Peter also has some interesting insights about China.... |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:38:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT1-285TH: The violence of action that CSG could unleash against every Russian naval asset in the eastern Mediterranean and Black Sea if given the order to attack would be mind blowing. I really do think it would be beyond most people's comprehension. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:39:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNmhWyDXoAEMdzG?format=jpg&name=medium After the first war crime the rest are free. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:39:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: I swear to god they must be reading ARFCOM! Russia's bioweapon conspiracy theory finds support in US Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: I swear to god they must be reading ARFCOM! Russia's bioweapon conspiracy theory finds support in US Russia's baseless claims about secret American biological warfare labs in Ukraine are taking root in the U.S. too, uniting morons, Russian trolls and the mentally ill Despite rebuttals from independent scientists, Ukrainian leaders and officials at the White House and Pentagon, the online popularity of the claims suggests the easily fooled |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:40:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OKnativeson]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TripleC: Russia has no vehicles equipped with night vision? OK I get not every grunt not having them but I just can believe they don't have some type of NV equipment. If this is true the Russian military is the biggest joke on the planet. we have dudes in OK and TX hunting hogs at night with better equipment than a country with nukes. we are finding out just how poorly equiped the Soviets are. but they just started wearing socks a few years ago. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:41:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CZ75_9MM]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RickJames1999: Night vision is passive... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RickJames1999: Originally Posted By Azygos: If not, they seem awfully confident that the Russians don't have any passive night vision. Night vision is passive... |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:42:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OKnativeson: we have dudes in OK and TX hunting hogs at night with better equipment than a country with nukes. we are finding out just how poorly equiped the Soviets are. but they just started wearing socks a few years ago. I bet their nukes are fucking slim to none. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:44:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TripleC: I bet their nukes are fucking slim to none. I do really wonder how many would blow in their tubes. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:44:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNmhWyDXoAEMdzG?format=jpg&name=medium Expecting the Russians to fight by the LOAC is a fool's gambit. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:45:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:45:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Theodoric]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TripleC: I bet their nukes are fucking slim to none. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:50:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: I'm not at all interested in finding out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By TripleC: I bet their nukes are fucking slim to none. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:51:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Has anyone heard of what's going on in Russia for the average folks as far as their daily routine is concerned? I asked the same question a few days ago and someone pointed out a guy from Russia saying all the stuff that's been banned, but I wonder how it's affecting the guy on the street - or is it too early in the process to notice much difference? Go t Spotify and there's a daily podcast called Ukrainecast. They've been bringing in guests from different walks of life to get a sense of what its like on the ground. A few days ago they had a russian lady on who said everything is mostly normal, minus a few things here and there they can't get. That was about 5 days ago, however, and much has changed. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:51:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By viralinsurgency: Seen this yet? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/491499/7D39A5CE-6DA0-430A-8BFC-0F85D60B64A9_jpe-2310094.JPG Eh. We'll see. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:51:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:53:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Photographic]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockMech: What are the legal limits/bounds on the States buying themselves ordnance and combat systems? Obviously, they can go buy themselves select-fire weapons and MGs (QED, as several State Police agencies roll with M60s and such, like Texas DPS). What about mortars, tanks, and combat aircraft? Can Texas order tanks from GDLS or buy F/A-50s from the Koreans? Could* the Feds stop them (other than hindering imports, of course)? *-obviously, the Federal government could tell GDLS that their contracts might be imperiled if they sold M1A2s to Texas. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockMech: Originally Posted By HIMARS13A: Territorial Defense Forces would be a state function in the US, and no state wants to pay for it, but there is no reason that they couldn't create one and arm it from their own funds with pretty much any weapons they want. What are the legal limits/bounds on the States buying themselves ordnance and combat systems? Obviously, they can go buy themselves select-fire weapons and MGs (QED, as several State Police agencies roll with M60s and such, like Texas DPS). What about mortars, tanks, and combat aircraft? Can Texas order tanks from GDLS or buy F/A-50s from the Koreans? Could* the Feds stop them (other than hindering imports, of course)? *-obviously, the Federal government could tell GDLS that their contracts might be imperiled if they sold M1A2s to Texas. Sounds like a lot of people are now embracing SDF/State Guard units- or at least if they were what they are supposed to be, not neutered into “emergency management” ETA: yep, all of this “a unit run by states, trained in comms, HAM, used to pull guard duty, natural disasters”. This is nothing new. The problem with them now, is the state government doesn’t fund them let alone equip them, and so they’re trained on menial tasks which they are rarely ever called up to do. A lot of gung-ho types who would love to do what Los being talked about but for PR reasons aren’t allowed, equipped (there is virtually no equipment save for some laptops and printers), or trained to do so. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:54:20 PM EDT
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Global Hawk visible in the air for the first time in several days. Almost all the other mil air assets just went dark.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:55:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Global Hawk visible in the air for the first time in several days. Almost all the other mil air assets just went dark. it's been over the Black Sea most of the day https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE10/2b199b01 |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:57:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cryo_tech]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
A captain is a platoon leader? Thats a job for a butter bar 
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:59:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: it's been over the Black Sea most of the day https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE10/2b199b01 |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:00:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: A captain is a platoon leader? Thats a job for a butter bar Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By Chokey:
A captain is a platoon leader? Thats a job for a butter bar They don't have an NCO corps like we do to run stuff in the platoon so I assume Lts are doing that sort of work. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: It was posted about a week ago in this thread that the Russians do not use NODs amongst their general troops. That's probably why these guys are rocking IR. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:01:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Does Flightradar24 have a way to filter out commercial traffic like adsb exchange? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By Chokey: it's been over the Black Sea most of the day https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE10/2b199b01 nope |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:02:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
I guess he is not the captain now. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:02:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By viralinsurgency: Seen this yet? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/491499/7D39A5CE-6DA0-430A-8BFC-0F85D60B64A9_jpe-2310094.JPG The Russians know how to fuck up nuclear plants and that plant proves it. The other reactors there ran for a while after the accident but I think they are cold now. It would not take much to cause more problems there and it is any easy target because it will raise fear but the area is already devoid of people. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:03:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Durka-Durka]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By viralinsurgency: Seen this yet? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/491499/7D39A5CE-6DA0-430A-8BFC-0F85D60B64A9_jpe-2310094.JPG If you're going to hit an area with a tactical nuke to show the enemy and the world you're crazy/stupid enough to do it (but you really aren't, you're just posturing) hitting that area would be the safest bet. (ETA: I have no knowledge on nukes, just spitballing) |
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