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Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:41:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Voland:



Good. I hope he remembers that any attack on nato and nato property will result in a military response...
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Good. I hope he remembers that any attack on nato and nato property will result in a military response...




I hope he knows that is a two way street. Any planes carrying foreign troops to fight for Russia is fair game for fighter jets. Any country allowing and assisting Russia's military as a safe harbor is considered fair game also. Oh wait, first we need leadership with some balls..
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:42:35 PM EST
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Can't find Cobradriver's post but, everyone needs to watch this. Tangent on Ukraine, but absolutely fascinating as this video was pre-invasion:

Peter Zeihan | The Changing Character of War | Maneuver Center of Excellence
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:42:59 PM EST
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At this point when it does reopen it will have all the relevancy of a counterfeit Pokmon card swap meet.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:43:52 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:44:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Holy cow. Mind = blown.

The stuff around 44 minutes was super enlightening.
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I just got done watching his Ft. Benning presentation. Jesus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0CQsifJrMc

It's an hour but worth it.

Holy cow. Mind = blown.

The stuff around 44 minutes was super enlightening.

Im about 10 minutes in...

"Millennials you can divide into two groups, stereotypical basement dwelling losers and the ones that did everything the right way that then got suckerpunched by the financial crises and lost 5 years of work experience they'll never get back, and the two groups ended up in the same place anyways"

Oof I felt that in my soul.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:44:52 PM EST
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This from early on?
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This from early on?

Could very well be from the initial raid after which they were (supposedly) wiped out and the airport retaken by Ukrainians. Impossible to know what actually happened. There were quite a few pictures of dead Russians posted on Telegram with the orange stripes on their camo. Could have been these same guys...
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:45:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
FO Rooster has been spotted, folks.  Looks like he's in a purely advisory position.  

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He saw what the ruskies did to his buddies the other day. He's not taking any chances!
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:46:25 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:47:31 PM EST
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Dang. That’s was good.

Everyone should watch that.
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
@Zhukov Have you read any Peter Zeihan?  He's spent the past decade writing a series of books and making many, many presentations about the history of the Global Order (America Police guaranteeing free trade, aka Globalism), why it's folding up shop, and how there'd be a wildfire of regional wars and enormous power shifts following it.  We are living in the post America Police/smoldering wildfires are igniting/power is shifting fast stage right now.  He's a demographic/geographic determinist who backs up his theories with reams of data.  He's not always right on the micro level but I think he's got the broad outline nailed.  He's got a higher opinion of the Russian military than I can currently credit them, I guess we'll see about that. And he didn't predict the instant global cancellation of the Russia economy IIRC.  His books are interesting and there's a thousand videos of his presentations on Youtube.  His opinion has been rapidly becoming more mainstream, he just gave a presentation at Fort Benning.

He recently freaked out this professional financial news reporter about four times in half an hour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq75Av59-YU

Well worth the 30 min to watch.

Yes, it is. Some very thought provoking stuff in there.

"We are living in the post America Police/smoldering wildfires are igniting/power is shifting fast stage right now."

That actually makes a lot of sense and explains the global craziness we are seeing. Hell, America doesn't even want police on it's own streets these days.


I heard him on an interview last night. He said Russia has 4-8 weeks left to end this conflict or Russia will completely collapse because of sanctions.


Which begs the question: What happens if they stop?  Does the world just go back to normal?  Will the world end up trying to compensate to make russia stable again?

Putin isn't going to stop. He wants to crush Ukraine.

I think this whole World-Gangs-Up-On-Big-Bad-Leader frenzy may have put something in motion that no one really knows what to do with. As Peter says in that video, "The sanctions surprised EVERYONE."

As far as Russia collapsing in 4-8 weeks... I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull some kind of diabolical rabbit out of a hat that lets them stay afloat.




I just got done watching his Ft. Benning presentation. Jesus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0CQsifJrMc

It's an hour but worth it.




Dang. That’s was good.

Everyone should watch that.

Agreed, very informative and worth the watch
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:52:10 PM EST
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What I can't figure out is if this is his own opinion leaking due to stress or a subtle diplomatic signal. Lavrov is stuck between an indictment from Hague and a Polonium vaccination by Putin.

Russia's foreign minister says he does 'not want to believe' that fighting in Ukraine could escalate into nuclear war
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:52:27 PM EST
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Keep in mind that Zelensky was elected in 2019.
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I am gonna be honest what I have seen from Zelensky I truly believe everything he has done has been for the benefit of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. And honestly I would trade 100 Bidens for one  Zelensky..
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:52:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fxntime:


It's not like Ukraine wasn't as corrupt as can be and giving millions of dollars to american commies the past few years.............

While I feel sorry for the average person dealing with the invasion, Ukraine, when it comes to their leadership, can go F themselves. Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

Other then some goods, we shouldn't get involved in any other way. It's a European issue, not ours.
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Dunno which Ukrainians you know or speak to but the ones that came here since the fall of the USSR are not like that. How do I know? I'm one of them and can corroborate this with hundreds of others like me.


I mean Ukrainian Ukrainians who live in Ukraine, not you and me.  Read news articles aggregated on linkodrom.com and comments to them and draw your own conclusions.


I can confirm that much of the Ukrainian media and at least a lot of people in Kyiv believe in the "Trump is a Russian agent" narrative.  Primarily because that's what they get from the Western media and they're a little sensitive on the subject.  Of course, we know that it doesn't stand up to scrutiny, but Trump also doesn't do himself any favors with some of the shit that comes out of his mouth.  

It isn't universal.  A lot of people there also noticed that it wasn't Obama who sent Javelins.


It's not like Ukraine wasn't as corrupt as can be and giving millions of dollars to american commies the past few years.............

While I feel sorry for the average person dealing with the invasion, Ukraine, when it comes to their leadership, can go F themselves. Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

Other then some goods, we shouldn't get involved in any other way. It's a European issue, not ours.


How is that your takeaway from my post ?
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:56:32 PM EST
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Was just posted today.
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This from early on?

Was just posted today.

It was posted earlier and said to be from the Feb 24 initial assault.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:56:42 PM EST
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I am gonna be honest what I have seen from Zelensky I truly believe everything he has done has been for the benefit of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. And honestly I would trade 100 Bidens for one  Zelensky..
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Keep in mind that Zelensky was elected in 2019.



I am gonna be honest what I have seen from Zelensky I truly believe everything he has done has been for the benefit of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. And honestly I would trade 100 Bidens for one  Zelensky..


Where do you buy your weed?

Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:57:48 PM EST
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Russian il76 flying into Syria out of Moscow currently.

Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:57:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I also feel sorry for the average Russian.. They have been subject to Putin's propaganda and it's not a fault of their own that they still support him
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I don't feel sorry for people who let themselves be influenced by propaganda, Russian or American, doesn't matter. It's 21st Century, you don't have to burn candles in some monastery basement to enlighten yourself, you can learn about anything while parked on your couch drinking your beverage of choice.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:58:36 PM EST
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Chairborne here also, but wasn't he sort of "born" with a reputation because of his father or grandfather, a MOH winner ? That and his stellar record at West Point.
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Yes his father at Missionary Ridge, and Mac got his in the Spanish-American war at San Juan Hill.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:59:02 PM EST
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Where do you buy your weed?

https://i.ibb.co/pfQvMRc/FM-3-Uhy-VQAEM91-O.jpg
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Keep in mind that Zelensky was elected in 2019.



I am gonna be honest what I have seen from Zelensky I truly believe everything he has done has been for the benefit of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. And honestly I would trade 100 Bidens for one  Zelensky..


Where do you buy your weed?

https://i.ibb.co/pfQvMRc/FM-3-Uhy-VQAEM91-O.jpg



He sure isn't a bleeding pussy like Trudeau is.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 12:59:39 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:00:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SheltiePimp:


They are backing Russia, they will back Russia, they have stated many times they are backing Russia and their role is to negotiate peace (on behalf of Russia). They have made their position extremely clear.

They are a hair length away from signing a joint security agreement, similar to what Nato is.

This was just before the Olympics when everyone thought Russia wouldn't invade.

Russia and China Unveil a Pact Against America and the West

In their matching mauve ties, Russia’s Vladimir Putin and China’s Xi Jinping last week declared a “new era” in the global order and, at least in the short term, endorsed their respective territorial ambitions in Ukraine and Taiwan. The world’s two most powerful autocrats unveiled a sweeping long-term agreement that also challenges the United States as a global power, nato as a cornerstone of international security, and liberal democracy as a model for the world. “Friendship between the two States has no limits,” they vowed in the communiqué, released after the two leaders met on the eve of the Beijing Winter Olympics. “There are no ‘forbidden’ areas of cooperation.”

Agreements between Moscow and Beijing, including the Treaty of Friendship of 2001, have traditionally been laden with lofty, if vague, rhetoric that faded into forgotten history. But the new and detailed five-thousand-word agreement is more than a collection of the usual tropes, Robert Daly, the director of the Kissinger Institute on China and the United States, at the Wilson Center, in Washington, told me. Although it falls short of a formal alliance, like nato, the agreement reflects a more elaborate show of solidarity than anytime in the past. “This is a pledge to stand shoulder to shoulder against America and the West, ideologically as well as militarily,” Daly said. “This statement might be looked back on as the beginning of Cold War Two.” The timing and clarity of the communiqué—amid tensions on Russia’s border with Europe and China’s aggression around Taiwan—will “give historians the kind of specific event that they often focus on.”

Beyond security, the declaration also pledged collaboration on space, climate change, the Internet, and artificial intelligence. Politically, the document claimed that there is “no one-size-fits-all” type of democracy, and heralded both forms of authoritarian rule in Moscow and Beijing as successful democracies. “It’s a pretty striking step closer to an alliance and shows that they’re very much aligned in their vision of the world order in the twenty-first century,” Alexander Vershbow, a former U.S. Ambassador to Russia, told me. Putin described the broader strategic partnership with China as “unprecedented.” Xi said that their joint strategy would have a “far-reaching influence on China, Russia, and the world.”


U.S. experts described the lengthy statement, which was riddled with false and accusatory language, as startling. “I’ve never seen a joint statement from both leaders using this kind of language. They’ve joined forces,” Angela Stent, a Russia expert who served at the National Intelligence Council and wrote “Putin’s World: Russia Against the West and with the Rest,” told me. She described the communiqué as “quite Orwellian” and called it an “inflection point” in which Russia and China are challenging the balance of power that has defined the global order since the Cold War ended, three decades ago. “We could be at the beginning of a new era as the Russian relationship with the West deteriorates and China’s does as well.” The agreement puts Washington and its key allies “in a terrible bind,” she added. “The fact is, whatever we do to counter what Russia is doing only reinforces its reliance on China.”

The joint statement is, at least for the moment, a diplomatic boon for Putin amid his showdown with the United States and Europe over Ukraine. For the first time in any of Russia’s recent aggressions, Putin has won the open support of China’s leader. China did not back Russia’s war in Georgia in 2008, or its invasion of Ukraine in 2014, nor has it recognized Russia’s annexation of Crimea. Now Moscow and Beijing, which both have the ability to veto any resolution at the United Nations, have declared their opposition to further enlargement of nato and to the formation of other regional security alliances. “Russia and China stand against attempts by external forces to undermine security and stability in their common adjacent regions, intend to counter interference by outside forces in the internal affairs of sovereign countries under any pretext, oppose colour revolutions, and will increase cooperation,” the often unwieldy statement declared. “This is where they pledge their troth,” Daly said.

Washington had been pressuring Beijing, including in a call last month between Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, in an attempt to keep China neutral or out of the Ukraine crisis. Now, at least on paper and in public voice, it has budged, Andrew Weiss, a former National Security Council official who is currently at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, told me. “Russia now has China as an endorser of the egregious and inflammatory position that Putin has staked out on Ukraine.”

Hints of China’s shift have been emerging in the past two weeks, as the Ukraine crisis began spilling over onto already tense U.S.-China relations. President Biden’s foreign policy had hoped to steer relations with Beijing toward stable and manageable competition. Instead, China, which is normally discreet in its diplomacy, is visibly pushing back. After his conversation with Blinken last month, the Chinese foreign minister said publicly that Russia’s security concern about nato expansion is legitimate and must be addressed. The Biden Administration countered last week with an admonition. The State Department warned that the West has “an array of tools” to deploy against foreign companies—including in China—that help Russia evade punitive sanctions.

In the new agreement, Russia, in turn, reaffirmed its support for Beijing’s One China policy that Taiwan is “an inalienable part of China, and opposes any forms of independence.” The joint communiqué also supported Beijing’s ruthless crackdown on dissidents in Hong Kong in the past two years. The bold assertions in the joint statement follow deepening military ties between the two nations in the past decade, Weiss noted. Russia and China have conducted dozens of joint exercises and war games that have involved as many as ten thousand troops to hone tactical and operational capabilities. Russian officials have boasted that the growing defense partnership was designed to warn the United States and nato not to pressure Moscow. The naval operations have included mock seizures of islands, patrols by long-range bombers over the Sea of Japan and the East China Sea, and surface-to-air missile targeting. Last summer, Putin and Xi both witnessed military exercises in China. In October, they held joint naval exercises off Russia’s far-eastern coast. “The frequency, complexity, and geographic scope has steadily increased, reflecting the growth in the overall bilateral defense relationship,” the U.S. Naval Institute reported last year. As two nuclear-armed countries that span Europe and Asia, the more muscular alignment between Russia and China could be a game changer militarily and diplomatically. “They want this to be as threatening as a formal alliance to the West, but don’t want to formally commit to mutual defense,” Daly said. “They don’t have to. The spectre of their mutual aid will serve as a deterrent.”

The joint announcement reflects a shift in the balance of power between Russia and China as well. “The Russians for the longest time were condescending in their view of China as an uninteresting rural society,” Weiss said. “Now China looks at Russia and says, ‘What are you good for?’ China’s ambitions do not run through Moscow.” China has become “canny” in exploiting Russia’s neediness, he said. “It uses Russia as a cat’s paw to disrupt the U.S. pivot to Asia. The fact that we have to keep coming back to Putin, as the neighborhood bully, is beneficial to China.”

Putin was the highest-profile leader to show up for the opening of the Winter Olympics in Beijing. The U.S. and other major powers opted not to send high-profile delegations, to protest China’s human-rights abuses, particularly against its Uyghur minority. Russia had received a two-year ban from officially sending teams to the Olympics after conducting a years-long, state-sponsored doping scheme. Russian athletes—who are not supposed to carry their nation’s flag, wear the Russian insignia, or play the national anthem—instead compete as part of the Russian Olympic Committee. After his meeting with Xi, Putin applauded the team during the opening ceremony’s Parade of Nations on Friday. But his visit clearly had another purpose.

The question now is how far Russia and China will take their agreement. “Words are one thing,” Vershbow, the former Ambassador, said. “We still have to see if the statement will translate into greater tangible Chinese support for Russia’s aggressive behavior—or whether they’ll say, ‘We’re with you, good luck,’ and then turn the other way.” The Chinese have different and sometimes more pragmatic interests in their relations with the U.S. and Europe, which are vital to their economy. “They don’t want to burn all bridges for the sake of a relationship with Russia.”


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China won't seriously back Russia. Russia just fucked their Taiwan plans.


They are backing Russia, they will back Russia, they have stated many times they are backing Russia and their role is to negotiate peace (on behalf of Russia). They have made their position extremely clear.

They are a hair length away from signing a joint security agreement, similar to what Nato is.

This was just before the Olympics when everyone thought Russia wouldn't invade.

Russia and China Unveil a Pact Against America and the West

In their matching mauve ties, Russia’s Vladimir Putin and China’s Xi Jinping last week declared a “new era” in the global order and, at least in the short term, endorsed their respective territorial ambitions in Ukraine and Taiwan. The world’s two most powerful autocrats unveiled a sweeping long-term agreement that also challenges the United States as a global power, nato as a cornerstone of international security, and liberal democracy as a model for the world. “Friendship between the two States has no limits,” they vowed in the communiqué, released after the two leaders met on the eve of the Beijing Winter Olympics. “There are no ‘forbidden’ areas of cooperation.”

Agreements between Moscow and Beijing, including the Treaty of Friendship of 2001, have traditionally been laden with lofty, if vague, rhetoric that faded into forgotten history. But the new and detailed five-thousand-word agreement is more than a collection of the usual tropes, Robert Daly, the director of the Kissinger Institute on China and the United States, at the Wilson Center, in Washington, told me. Although it falls short of a formal alliance, like nato, the agreement reflects a more elaborate show of solidarity than anytime in the past. “This is a pledge to stand shoulder to shoulder against America and the West, ideologically as well as militarily,” Daly said. “This statement might be looked back on as the beginning of Cold War Two.” The timing and clarity of the communiqué—amid tensions on Russia’s border with Europe and China’s aggression around Taiwan—will “give historians the kind of specific event that they often focus on.”

Beyond security, the declaration also pledged collaboration on space, climate change, the Internet, and artificial intelligence. Politically, the document claimed that there is “no one-size-fits-all” type of democracy, and heralded both forms of authoritarian rule in Moscow and Beijing as successful democracies. “It’s a pretty striking step closer to an alliance and shows that they’re very much aligned in their vision of the world order in the twenty-first century,” Alexander Vershbow, a former U.S. Ambassador to Russia, told me. Putin described the broader strategic partnership with China as “unprecedented.” Xi said that their joint strategy would have a “far-reaching influence on China, Russia, and the world.”


U.S. experts described the lengthy statement, which was riddled with false and accusatory language, as startling. “I’ve never seen a joint statement from both leaders using this kind of language. They’ve joined forces,” Angela Stent, a Russia expert who served at the National Intelligence Council and wrote “Putin’s World: Russia Against the West and with the Rest,” told me. She described the communiqué as “quite Orwellian” and called it an “inflection point” in which Russia and China are challenging the balance of power that has defined the global order since the Cold War ended, three decades ago. “We could be at the beginning of a new era as the Russian relationship with the West deteriorates and China’s does as well.” The agreement puts Washington and its key allies “in a terrible bind,” she added. “The fact is, whatever we do to counter what Russia is doing only reinforces its reliance on China.”

The joint statement is, at least for the moment, a diplomatic boon for Putin amid his showdown with the United States and Europe over Ukraine. For the first time in any of Russia’s recent aggressions, Putin has won the open support of China’s leader. China did not back Russia’s war in Georgia in 2008, or its invasion of Ukraine in 2014, nor has it recognized Russia’s annexation of Crimea. Now Moscow and Beijing, which both have the ability to veto any resolution at the United Nations, have declared their opposition to further enlargement of nato and to the formation of other regional security alliances. “Russia and China stand against attempts by external forces to undermine security and stability in their common adjacent regions, intend to counter interference by outside forces in the internal affairs of sovereign countries under any pretext, oppose colour revolutions, and will increase cooperation,” the often unwieldy statement declared. “This is where they pledge their troth,” Daly said.

Washington had been pressuring Beijing, including in a call last month between Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, in an attempt to keep China neutral or out of the Ukraine crisis. Now, at least on paper and in public voice, it has budged, Andrew Weiss, a former National Security Council official who is currently at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, told me. “Russia now has China as an endorser of the egregious and inflammatory position that Putin has staked out on Ukraine.”

Hints of China’s shift have been emerging in the past two weeks, as the Ukraine crisis began spilling over onto already tense U.S.-China relations. President Biden’s foreign policy had hoped to steer relations with Beijing toward stable and manageable competition. Instead, China, which is normally discreet in its diplomacy, is visibly pushing back. After his conversation with Blinken last month, the Chinese foreign minister said publicly that Russia’s security concern about nato expansion is legitimate and must be addressed. The Biden Administration countered last week with an admonition. The State Department warned that the West has “an array of tools” to deploy against foreign companies—including in China—that help Russia evade punitive sanctions.

In the new agreement, Russia, in turn, reaffirmed its support for Beijing’s One China policy that Taiwan is “an inalienable part of China, and opposes any forms of independence.” The joint communiqué also supported Beijing’s ruthless crackdown on dissidents in Hong Kong in the past two years. The bold assertions in the joint statement follow deepening military ties between the two nations in the past decade, Weiss noted. Russia and China have conducted dozens of joint exercises and war games that have involved as many as ten thousand troops to hone tactical and operational capabilities. Russian officials have boasted that the growing defense partnership was designed to warn the United States and nato not to pressure Moscow. The naval operations have included mock seizures of islands, patrols by long-range bombers over the Sea of Japan and the East China Sea, and surface-to-air missile targeting. Last summer, Putin and Xi both witnessed military exercises in China. In October, they held joint naval exercises off Russia’s far-eastern coast. “The frequency, complexity, and geographic scope has steadily increased, reflecting the growth in the overall bilateral defense relationship,” the U.S. Naval Institute reported last year. As two nuclear-armed countries that span Europe and Asia, the more muscular alignment between Russia and China could be a game changer militarily and diplomatically. “They want this to be as threatening as a formal alliance to the West, but don’t want to formally commit to mutual defense,” Daly said. “They don’t have to. The spectre of their mutual aid will serve as a deterrent.”

The joint announcement reflects a shift in the balance of power between Russia and China as well. “The Russians for the longest time were condescending in their view of China as an uninteresting rural society,” Weiss said. “Now China looks at Russia and says, ‘What are you good for?’ China’s ambitions do not run through Moscow.” China has become “canny” in exploiting Russia’s neediness, he said. “It uses Russia as a cat’s paw to disrupt the U.S. pivot to Asia. The fact that we have to keep coming back to Putin, as the neighborhood bully, is beneficial to China.”

Putin was the highest-profile leader to show up for the opening of the Winter Olympics in Beijing. The U.S. and other major powers opted not to send high-profile delegations, to protest China’s human-rights abuses, particularly against its Uyghur minority. Russia had received a two-year ban from officially sending teams to the Olympics after conducting a years-long, state-sponsored doping scheme. Russian athletes—who are not supposed to carry their nation’s flag, wear the Russian insignia, or play the national anthem—instead compete as part of the Russian Olympic Committee. After his meeting with Xi, Putin applauded the team during the opening ceremony’s Parade of Nations on Friday. But his visit clearly had another purpose.

The question now is how far Russia and China will take their agreement. “Words are one thing,” Vershbow, the former Ambassador, said. “We still have to see if the statement will translate into greater tangible Chinese support for Russia’s aggressive behavior—or whether they’ll say, ‘We’re with you, good luck,’ and then turn the other way.” The Chinese have different and sometimes more pragmatic interests in their relations with the U.S. and Europe, which are vital to their economy. “They don’t want to burn all bridges for the sake of a relationship with Russia.”


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It’s not hard to foresee such an alliance.  There has to be a lot of analysis on how to militarily deal with both countries and any bloc they form.  I just can’t see how a conflict stays conventional a Rus-Sino pact.
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Nvm
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Remember the Lusitania.
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Picking up some Syrian friends?
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Russian il76 flying into Syria out of Moscow currently.

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No doubt the Human Resources team tasked with the onboarding Putin's new interns.
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As official Atheists, the Soviets suppressed the Russian Orthos until they realized they couldn't eliminate it forever. So at some point they made sure every bishop and every higher official was KGB.

Krill became a Bishop in 76. So we can safely assume he was a KGB agent.
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For those that don't know,Schrder is the German who sold his country's soul for Russian oil and gas. He is the definition of a paid off stooge. The only worse politician I can think of in terms of taking totalitarian money for more detriment is Kissinger.

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Jesus said when you pray, you shouldn't make a big show of it.  I guess she missed that part.

Matthew 6:5-6

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
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As official Atheists, the Soviets suppressed the Russian Orthos until they realized they couldn't eliminate it forever. So at some point they made sure every bishop and every higher official was KGB.

Krill became a Bishop in 76. So we can safely assume he was a KGB agent.


A well rewarded one judging by that watch.
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:



 Some guy on here accused me of committing slander against the Orthodox Church for stating the truth a couple years ago: their patriarch was indeed a KGB asset,used to uncover anti-Communist Christians. This is why and how he was brought into Putin’s circle and given freedom to make that cigarette money.


 The patriarch prior to him  ran away and left behind all the incriminating evidence that he too was a KGB agent. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/russian-patriarch-was-a-kgb-agent-files-say-1.1123987


 For years I have been refuting the bullshit “Putin is a Christian,look at how he’s building up the church” nonsense with these facts but 🤷🏼‍♂️ That’s just not what some want to hear.
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
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Originally Posted By M-1975:
Originally Posted By Balu:
Originally Posted By agillig:
Originally Posted By outofbattery:
For those that don't know,Schrder is the German who sold his country's soul for Russian oil and gas. He is the definition of a paid off stooge. The only worse politician I can think of in terms of taking totalitarian money for more detriment is Kissinger.

 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/19FA06D1-BA20-4583-AB29-40CC7D597A3F_jpe-2310480.JPG
Jesus said when you pray, you shouldn't make a big show of it.  I guess she missed that part.

Matthew 6:5-6

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177432/Kirill_Putin_Ridus_ru__jpg-2310665.JPG


As official Atheists, the Soviets suppressed the Russian Orthos until they realized they couldn't eliminate it forever. So at some point they made sure every bishop and every higher official was KGB.

Krill became a Bishop in 76. So we can safely assume he was a KGB agent.


This.





 Some guy on here accused me of committing slander against the Orthodox Church for stating the truth a couple years ago: their patriarch was indeed a KGB asset,used to uncover anti-Communist Christians. This is why and how he was brought into Putin’s circle and given freedom to make that cigarette money.


 The patriarch prior to him  ran away and left behind all the incriminating evidence that he too was a KGB agent. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/russian-patriarch-was-a-kgb-agent-files-say-1.1123987


 For years I have been refuting the bullshit “Putin is a Christian,look at how he’s building up the church” nonsense with these facts but 🤷🏼‍♂️ That’s just not what some want to hear.


Take a look at the people who think that Putin is a Christian. These people aren’t anything close to Christ-like.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:03:40 PM EST
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Where do you buy your weed?

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Sorry but if the US was invaded and DC encircled do you see Biden staying in DC?  Zelensky turned down Biden's offer of a ride.  


Zelensky is a real leader Biden is a senile pants shitting pudding head.
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

That is the key point. If you have issues with them, it's with the leadership. The average Ukrainian doesn't deserve what's happening to them now in any way, shape, or form. I also feel sorry for the average Russian.. They have been subject to Putin's propaganda and it's not a fault of their own that they still support him - although it is their fault that they allowed him to establish such control in the first place.
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I don't.  They are very well informed with the advent of the Internet and know Ukrainians very well to know that they've NEVER BEEN and NEVER will be hostile to Russia.

If the Russians don't kill Putin and immediately make amends, I highly doubt there will be any reconciliation.  Keep in mind that Ukrainians & Russians have lived in somewhat peaceful existence these past 8 years because the Ukrainians aren't a hostile people.  Well, that's changed and they want Russians dead.  I'm with them.  Russia will never be the same after this unless they KILL Putin and make it right with Ukraine NOW.

Sadly, I doubt this will happen and I'll be seeing more funerals for Ukrainian fighters.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:08:17 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:10:48 PM EST
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I am gonna be honest what I have seen from Zelensky I truly believe everything he has done has been for the benefit of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. And honestly I would trade 100 Bidens for one  Zelensky..
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He's failed on various levels and not lived up to the unrealistic expectations that many Ukrainians had because they like to hate their government & leaders.  With that said, this man has stepped up, rallied his people, and is showing the world that Ukraine is not what most thought they were.  There's a chance these people might finally start shedding their Slavic mindset.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:13:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

That is the key point. If you have issues with them, it's with the leadership. The average Ukrainian doesn't deserve what's happening to them now in any way, shape, or form. I also feel sorry for the average Russian.. They have been subject to Putin's propaganda and it's not a fault of their own that they still support him - although it is their fault that they allowed him to establish such control in the first place.
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Originally Posted By fxntime:

It's not like Ukraine wasn't as corrupt as can be and giving millions of dollars to american commies the past few years.............

While I feel sorry for the average person dealing with the invasion, Ukraine, when it comes to their leadership, can go F themselves. Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

Other then some goods, we shouldn't get involved in any other way. It's a European issue, not ours.

That is the key point. If you have issues with them, it's with the leadership. The average Ukrainian doesn't deserve what's happening to them now in any way, shape, or form. I also feel sorry for the average Russian.. They have been subject to Putin's propaganda and it's not a fault of their own that they still support him - although it is their fault that they allowed him to establish such control in the first place.


The Obama administration extorted the money from Ukraine under the promises of assistance since Ukraine was under the threat of a second and larger invasion NOT Ukraine paying off Democrats because they were corrupt.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:14:38 PM EST
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May the shoot straight and send those Russians to hell


Slavu ukraini
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:15:38 PM EST
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Hell yeah. We have any arty guys on here? I imagine even with doubled up ear pro that probably rattles your skull lol
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Arty guy here..and I too have hearing loss...no but really.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:17:43 PM EST
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Where do you buy your weed?

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Creepy photo?
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:18:15 PM EST
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Attachment Attached File


What's happening in Russia....
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Kyiv Independent
Link

Daniel Ford's latest newsletter:


"North Korea on the Volga"

For an oddly more dispassionate update, there's the daily dispatch from the Kyiv Independent (scroll to the bottom of the web page to subscribe).

It hasn't gone as anyone -- Putin least of all! -- expected. The Ukraine resistance has been splendid, the Russian brutality worse than anything Europe has seen since 1945, and the western response has been stouter than I believed possible, especially Olaf Scholz's turnaround in Germany. Nothing will be the same again.

Tunku Varadarajan interviews Edward Fishman of the Center for a New American Security. A sampler:

   
"Russia is becoming “North Korea on the Volga,” Mr. Fishman says. It will be “a pariah state,” completely isolated from global economic and financial markets. “It’s not just the reality of economic isolation, it’s the shame of transacting with Russia.”

   The danger—and the tragedy—is that Mr. Putin’s goal may be to turn Ukraine into “Syria on the Dnieper.”

You can contribute to Ukraine's resistance through the links below. The first is potentially tax deductible. The second of course is not.

Humanitarian aid to Ukraine: https://razomforukraine.org (a 501c3 charity); PayPal or bank transfer to the Ukrainian Army: https://armysos.com.ua/en/help-the-army

I'm blogging almost daily at https://wimw-ford.blogspot.com/ (It's not much, but it helps me sleep at night.) Blue skies -- Dan Ford
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:19:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 7empest:

Sorry but if the US was invaded and DC encircled do you see Biden staying in DC?  Zelensky turned down Biden's offer of a ride.  

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In Clown World, the comedian becomes the serious man in the room.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:21:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Nailcrusher:


Until whoever is really pulling the strings in our government decides to escalate. This is a shit sandwich.
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
Russia said that ships carrying weapons to Ukraine would be considered legitimate military targets. I assume this is a ploy to try to get merchant ships scared to sail,I can't see them being stupid enough to do something like trying to sink a freighter in the North Sea or Med they came to the conclusion was carrying weapons.


 Every day that passes without a Russian flag over Kyiv the greater the chances Putin behaves even more irrationally so I honestly wouldn't discount the possibility of anything,including something to provoke NATO.



yea,  I wonder if they'll start boarding and searching stuff in international waters like we do
Can you imagine what would happen if we came to blows with the fucking Russian *navy*?  Because that's what happens if they start boarding and seizing US flagged vessels. They would be on the bottom before the ink was dry on the Russian order. They are incredibly weak in that arena - I can't imagine Putin being that stupid.

But of course I didn't think he was stupid enough to invade Ukraine either so what do I know n


These constant tit for tat verbal threats and exchanges appear to be taking this towards eventual escalation between us and Russia.


They won’t step into a NATO country and attack us, nor will they randomly sink freighters in into waters…..but they know there are some
pussies leading some western countries. Maybe the threats will keep working?


Until whoever is really pulling the strings in our government decides to escalate. This is a shit sandwich.

Won’t happen unless we are forced in. Right now we get to inflict heavy casualties on Russia at the expense of Ukrainian lives. As far as our government and a lot of people here think, this is a winning strategy. No American lives are lost and our enemy is bogged down. I am sure our government is just giddy that Ukraine didn’t just fall over. Expect Ukraine to be treated as a NATO buffer territory for a long while as it helps everyone but Ukraine.
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Holy fuck.
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Originally Posted By M-1975:
These guys are having fun:

Holy fuck.


@toaster

You ain't kidding


I hope the receiving end of that artillery strike realized they got fucked


What is the range in those artillery units?
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:23:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tboy:


He's failed on various levels and not lived up to the unrealistic expectations that many Ukrainians had because they like to hate their government & leaders.  With that said, this man has stepped up, rallied his people, and is showing the world that Ukraine is not what most thought they were.  There's a chance these people might finally start shedding their Slavic mindset.
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Part in red is what I am talking about. If he didn't care about Ukraine and the Ukrainian people and was as corrupt as people say he would would have jumped on Biden's ride offer..

Just my opinion.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:23:16 PM EST
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"Zelensky: To seize Kyiv, they will have to destroy it. “If there are hundreds of thousands of people, who are now being mobilized by Russia, and they come with hundreds or thousands of tanks, they will take Kyiv. We understand that,” said President Volodymyr Zelensky, adding that Russia will have to enact carpet bombing and destroy the city first."
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:



This is not too far from the truth. I would not be surprised to see someone shoot a NATO device by accident.
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Originally Posted By realwar:
WW3 has started. We are in slow burn phase. Heard 16,000 Hezbollah fighters are on the way to fight for Putin. Going to be huge insurgency mess that will last for many years. Russian shelling is only 17 miles away from Poland's border.



This is not too far from the truth. I would not be surprised to see someone shoot a NATO device by accident.

Needs one of those you are here memes and we're at the part where Hitler annexes the Sudetenland because they're really German anyway.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:24:47 PM EST
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It is indeed an interesting timeline..
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:27:40 PM EST
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Oleksiy Arestovych on the situation on the fronts of Russian-Ukrainian war
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Originally Posted By doc540:
"Zelensky: To seize Kyiv, they will have to destroy it. “If there are hundreds of thousands of people, who are now being mobilized by Russia, and they come with hundreds or thousands of tanks, they will take Kyiv. We understand that,” said President Volodymyr Zelensky, adding that Russia will have to enact carpet bombing and destroy the city first."
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People have to decide if turning all of Kiev into an uninhabitable city is worth it. Because that is going to happen. It's up to the people of Ukraine. I expect if putin takes Ukraine, he is not stopping there.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:29:06 PM EST
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Remember the Lusitania.
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Remember the Lusitania.

Be a Titanic mistake on Pooty's part to take that shot, especially against a US flagged capital ship.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:30:25 PM EST
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It is definitely worth the time to watch.
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Originally Posted By Cobradriver:

I just got done watching his Ft. Benning presentation. Jesus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0CQsifJrMc

It's an hour but worth it.

Holy cow. Mind = blown.

The stuff around 44 minutes was super enlightening.


It is definitely worth the time to watch.


Damn I hate this thread, can’t read every page and so I miss the cool links.
Link Posted: 3/12/2022 1:30:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
a KC-135 could fly out of there and we aren’t well known for short field capabilities.
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In what world is a 8,200' runway is too small for C-17s, C-130s, and A-400s?

Ramp space may be a little tight for a C-17, but C-130s and A-400s would have no problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bydgoszcz_Ignacy_Jan_Paderewski_Airport

I didn't say the runway was too small, but the airport is too small which you start to backup.  Reading comprehension or is everyone on pins and needles.  I have a grandfather that was born in Lviv, with his relatives still living there.  I'm not on pins and needles like some here.

However, I do like to see the Rooskies (as my grandfather would say) get their butts kicked.


My reading comprehension is just fine.

You stated "Airport is too small for NATO transport aircraft...". which it clearly isn't. C-130s are NATO transports and would have absolutely no problem operating for that airfield. The fact that there is a 737 NG parked on the ramp with room for 2 more in the satellite view of the airport proves this.

And 737s are also NATO transports.
a KC-135 could fly out of there and we aren’t well known for short field capabilities.

I'm pretty sure a KC-135 IS a 737, like a DC-3 is an R4D. But I'm no plane foamer.
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Damn I hate this thread, can’t read every page and so I miss the cool links.
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If you follow the big  OSINT accounts on Twitter you'll catch most of them.
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