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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:35:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: Can that 30mm cannon have any significant effect on a T-72bm? From side and rear is a kill possible, front maybe a mission kill if they hit optics or the main gun. But it would be stupid to try one on one, the T-72 can engage a BTR-4 at 4km. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:36:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Don't forget that Putin is a Judo master. I'm pretty sure even at 70 he can use that to his advantage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By JamesP81: Elon Musk is 50. Putin is 69 or 70. I think I'd put my money on the youth of the mad genius. Don't forget that Putin is a Judo master. I'm pretty sure even at 70 he can use that to his advantage.  |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:36:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TONTO44]
[#3]
Would the Russian gas pipelines, that go through Ukraine to Europe, be legitimate targets for Ukraine?
I saw this tweet:
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:36:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: Can that 30mm cannon have any significant effect on a T-72bm? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: Originally Posted By JamesP81: Originally Posted By M-1975:
That APC at the end really had a bad day from that 30mm cannon. Can that 30mm cannon have any significant effect on a T-72bm? Against the ERA on the side skirts probably not , against he bare hull/sides it is in the realm of possibility. The t72 hull should be around 80mm of RHA, apds 30x165mm has some where around 45mm of penetration at 100 meters against an 60 degree slope so I'm unsure about it's performance against a flat side. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:36:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Heartbreaker1373:  Shit.  It's probably on after that.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Heartbreaker1373: Originally Posted By hondaciv: Ukraine's Zelensky to address the full Congress of the United States on Wednesday. Shit. It's probably on after that. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:37:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I think the Spike LR was a better system, it can do the top attack, and you could guide the missile into the commanders open hatch on a tank if you wanted to. The range I think was 4km or more and it was a little larger than Javelin. So either way, both are great weapons for what you want to use them for, but for now I think the NLAW is fine compared to the SR because it's at least top attack as well as fire and forget, run like hell and don't look back like Javelin. Spike is guided all the way to the target and you have to stand there to guide it up to just over 1km which to me is a disadvantage because of return fire. Over a kilometer and being able to top attack, you can hide behind terrain and pop tanks with Spike LR. You don't need a visual lock on like with Javelin, so they can really compliment each other that way. Full Spike Family for reference:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQHhduHTfgwFor comparison, this is the entire Spike family. All Spike missiles are fire and forget. Every last one. The LR is the same as the MR, but with fire guidance also that can be used to manually steer the missile or to lock on after launch. But you can fire it and forget it too. NLAW isn’t really guided, it predicts where the target will be and fires too that point. You also need to add some kind of night sight to it after dark. For a rich nation Spike SR makes more sense, IMO, though I’d like to see it with a top attack EFP like NLAW. Javelin versus Spike MR is a wash except that Spike has a day camera too and the same system can fire the LR. Where it gets exciting is ER and NLOS. I think NLOS in place of Excalibur for light units would have been smart. Two guys in a JLTV can fire ten missiles, replacing, for certain mission sets, a howitzer with a large crew. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:37:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancow: I would hope we are able to discriminate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Doesn't a no fly zone hurt Ukraine? They can't use bayraktars in a no fly zone. Granted no more fat Russians bombing cities, but it would hurt their ability to kill Ivan's arty and such? I would hope we are able to discriminate. A no-fly zone is a no-fly zone. The only way to get anyone (other than UKR) on board is to say it's for humanitarian purposes. If we're going to shoot down Russian aircraft and not anyone else's, we may as well declare war on Russia. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:37:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TONTO44: Would the Russian gas pipelines, that go through Ukraine to Europe, be legitimate targets for Ukraine? I saw this tweet:
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:38:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TONTO44: Would the Russian gas pipelines, that go through Ukraine to Europe, be legitimate targets for Ukraine? I saw this tweet:
Not if you blow them up |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:39:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Doesn't a no fly zone hurt Ukraine? They can't use bayraktars in a no fly zone. Granted no more fat Russians bombing cities, but it would hurt their ability to kill Ivan's arty and such? |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:39:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Not sure exactly what this means buts it appears to be something related to Russians sucking pig cock? https://t.me/operativnoZSU/13450 Not russians but Kadyrov and his goblins. In couple videos Ukranians used lard to grease the ammo before engaging chechens. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:39:31 AM EDT
[#12]
 War footage of Russian T-72B firing at Ukrainian position multiple times in Volnovakha. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:39:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: His black belt was revoked so it doesn't count anymore.  Lmao saw that when googling his rank. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:39:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TONTO44: Would the Russian gas pipelines, that go through Ukraine to Europe, be legitimate targets for Ukraine? I saw this tweet:
That would have the opposite effect to what you seek. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:40:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TONTO44: Would the Russian gas pipelines, that go through Ukraine to Europe, be legitimate targets for Ukraine? I saw this tweet:
Removing Europe’s gas supply would be a great way to lose support from those countries that depend on it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:43:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Don’t forget that Putin is a Judo master. I’m pretty sure even at 70 he can use that to his advantage. I'm sure Putin's legendary Judo skills are about as good as his legendary hockey skills  Russian President Vladimir Putin Scores 8 Goals in Exhibition Hockey Game Just look at him out score the top tier professional players
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:43:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryMan was really hoping for that T-72 to get hit with a MANPAD at the end.
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:44:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tyrex13: What is the frequency? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tyrex13: Originally Posted By K0UA: And the fact that they are using HF radio without any kind of encryption is just insane to me. Even having armored vehicles on an HF net let alone strategic bombers just blows my Electronics technician mind. This stuff is so 1940-1950ish it is crazy. For those that want to listen in to to this frequency, keep in mind that we here in the US would not likely have propagation unless the entire path is in darkness due to the D layer absorption during daylight hours. An hour or so into day on each end could be a possibility, but not much more. If you log in to SDR (Software Defined Radio's) on the internet that are closer (Europe) to the area of operation, you results would likely be much better. Of course East coast stations would have a lot better chance if trying to receive this frequency directly because of one less Ionospheric hop than say myself here in Missouri. Receivers on the west coast have almost no chance. The times I have tried to listen in on the Kiwi SDR network and find receivers in the theatre, they always seem to be so busy. I suspect a lot of people are trying to listen in all of the time. James K0UA What is the frequency? 5833 kHz I believe. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:44:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tboy: I can see with continued intelligence support and getting the locals up to speed on guerilla warfare, the Russian offense will stall with no reasonable way to provide an effective supply chain. Every Ukrainian I've met wants Russians dead so they'll be highly motivated once organized and properly led. There are plenty of guys around me sitting on their hands waiting while many others are fleeing here so I hope once they see a shift in the momentum, they'll train up and return home to finish off the Russians. Wishful thinking but they keep surprising me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tboy: Originally Posted By sq40: I’m finding the guerrilla warfare with modern portable missiles and NODs highly effective against a conventional force. We had to deal with various versions of it from Vietnam to Afghanistan, but not with the sophisticated technology the Ukrainians are employing. Seeing irregulars as fast moving militias wrecking superior forces has been incredible. I can see with continued intelligence support and getting the locals up to speed on guerilla warfare, the Russian offense will stall with no reasonable way to provide an effective supply chain. Every Ukrainian I've met wants Russians dead so they'll be highly motivated once organized and properly led. There are plenty of guys around me sitting on their hands waiting while many others are fleeing here so I hope once they see a shift in the momentum, they'll train up and return home to finish off the Russians. Wishful thinking but they keep surprising me. That’s inspiring. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:45:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Maybe it's time they pulled that box the out of storage and assembled that "parts kit" they've been holding onto. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: Considering how much money Japan gives to the UN, they should be able to have a say in who is on and off the security council, and have a permeant seat. I'd support that! I think Japan has about 300-400 of the fast assembly kits in "storage"... Time to tighten a few bolts and show them off as a reminder to those who might want to fuck around... |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:46:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PurpleOtter]
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Updated list:
List of killed/captured Russian officers, March 14
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:46:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: All Spike missiles are fire and forget. Every last one. The LR is the same as the MR, but with fire guidance also that can be used to manually steer the missile or to lock on after launch. But you can fire it and forget it too. NLAW isn’t really guided, it predicts where the target will be and fires too that point. You also need to add some kind of night sight to it after dark. For a rich nation Spike SR makes more sense, IMO, though I’d like to see it with a top attack EFP like NLAW. Javelin versus Spike MR is a wash except that Spike has a day camera too and the same system can fire the LR. Where it gets exciting is ER and NLOS. I think NLOS in place of Excalibur for light units would have been smart. Two guys in a JLTV can fire ten missiles, replacing, for certain mission sets, a howitzer with a large crew. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I think the Spike LR was a better system, it can do the top attack, and you could guide the missile into the commanders open hatch on a tank if you wanted to. The range I think was 4km or more and it was a little larger than Javelin. So either way, both are great weapons for what you want to use them for, but for now I think the NLAW is fine compared to the SR because it's at least top attack as well as fire and forget, run like hell and don't look back like Javelin. Spike is guided all the way to the target and you have to stand there to guide it up to just over 1km which to me is a disadvantage because of return fire. Over a kilometer and being able to top attack, you can hide behind terrain and pop tanks with Spike LR. You don't need a visual lock on like with Javelin, so they can really compliment each other that way. Full Spike Family for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQHhduHTfgwFor comparison, this is the entire Spike family. All Spike missiles are fire and forget. Every last one. The LR is the same as the MR, but with fire guidance also that can be used to manually steer the missile or to lock on after launch. But you can fire it and forget it too. NLAW isn’t really guided, it predicts where the target will be and fires too that point. You also need to add some kind of night sight to it after dark. For a rich nation Spike SR makes more sense, IMO, though I’d like to see it with a top attack EFP like NLAW. Javelin versus Spike MR is a wash except that Spike has a day camera too and the same system can fire the LR. Where it gets exciting is ER and NLOS. I think NLOS in place of Excalibur for light units would have been smart. Two guys in a JLTV can fire ten missiles, replacing, for certain mission sets, a howitzer with a large crew. I agree, you are correct about the fire and forget and other points. When I used the Spike LR in the simulators, it was actually just too tantalizing to make sure I made hits where I wanted to on the enemy tanks, making the small adjustments at the last moments. I complained to the Rafael team that it should not be so much fun to destroy enemy armor.
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:46:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TONTO44: Would the Russian gas pipelines, that go through Ukraine to Europe, be legitimate targets for Ukraine? I saw this tweet:
The second the flow stops is the second russia goes belly up due to lack of funds. 
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:46:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNeeds more Javelin
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:46:52 AM EDT
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The staging area of Ukrainian farmer markets. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:48:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Wow there was a mod airstrike up in here What the hell did I miss? I think it was a MOD version of an MLRS strike. I didn't see what the comments were, but I guess they were purse swinging or straying off topic too far... |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:48:07 AM EDT
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Considering Putin is former KGB, I doubt Elon would fare well in single combat.
No doubt he has some very dirty tricks up his sleeve. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:48:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: If you would like to discuss the azov battalion and their beliefs please start a new thread https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Ukraine-Before-the-invasion-there-was-this/5-2537315/ |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:49:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: If you would like to discuss the azov battalion and their beliefs please start a new thread Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By MrM1A1:  Right? The fuck I do? Lol. If you would like to discuss the azov battalion and their beliefs please start a new thread Thank you! |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:49:29 AM EDT
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BBC Headline: "Ukraine war: Pregnant woman and baby die after hospital shelled"
 The Russians sure are de-Nazifying the shit out of Ukraine. 
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:49:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:51:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Man was really hoping for that T-72 to get hit with a MANPAD at the end. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Man was really hoping for that T-72 to get hit with a MANPAD at the end.
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:51:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking: I'm sure Putin's legendary Judo skills are about as good as his legendary hockey skills https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMsbxtojz6MJust look at him out score the top tier professional players Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Don’t forget that Putin is a Judo master. I’m pretty sure even at 70 he can use that to his advantage. I'm sure Putin's legendary Judo skills are about as good as his legendary hockey skills https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMsbxtojz6MJust look at him out score the top tier professional players  Kid from make a wish foundation gets tackled |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:51:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking: I'm sure Putin's legendary Judo skills are about as good as his legendary hockey skills https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMsbxtojz6MJust look at him out score the top tier professional players That boy good! |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:52:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HecklerKoch_USP: Considering Putin is former KGB, I doubt Elon would fare well in single combat. No doubt he has some very dirty tricks up his sleeve. Putin was a bureaucrat. He pushed papers as a job but loves the idea people who don’t know any better assume all KGB agents were secret assassins. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:52:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:53:07 AM EDT
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This is going to play well on the international stage.
As Russia ramps up its assault on Ukraine, some pundits on Russian state television have advocated implementing hangings by court-martial in the country if Russia is successful in establishing control. Russian TV Calls for Hangings of Ukrainians in Occupied Cities |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:53:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By polishkebasa: Against the ERA on the side skirts probably not , against he bare hull/sides it is in the realm of possibility. The t72 hull should be around 80mm of RHA, apds 30x165mm has some where around 45mm of penetration at 100 meters against an 60 degree slope so I'm unsure about it's performance against a flat side. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:53:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Torqued: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNZs0GyXwAEopI7?format=jpg&name=large I've been out of town for a bit now and haven't checked this thread in a while. What ever happened with the Ghost of Kiev? I thought I saw he was confirmed to be a reserve pilot or something in the Ukrainian airforce. Is he still alive and flying or was he shot down? Thx |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:54:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Call me picky, but if I have a choice between one ATGM with 1500m range and another with ~4000m range, I want every inch of that extra stand-off distance between me and the enemy tank. A tank can shoot me, hose down the area with coax, sic some of his BMP buddies on me, or just pick up a radio and call for arty. If he was feeling really sporty and survived after my shot, he could probably smush me by driving over in 10-15 minutes or less. I don't think a crappy Russian tank has to estimate any holdover with his gunner's sight at that range, that's just a lay on target kind thing. I know Russian tank's have not been performing well lately, but 1500-2500m of extra distance between me and him sounds nice. 😬 I agree depending on the terrain, but there is something to be said for an ATGM that can be booted up, targeted, locked, and fired in the shortest time if you are dealing with sightlines under 600meters and/or obstacles and buildings in the area. My understanding is the NLAW is almost instant on, but the Javelins require time to boot, cool the seeker head and then has a limited time frame before you need to change the battery. Different tools for different jobs I guess. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:54:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I agree, you are correct about the fire and forget and other points. When I used the Spike LR in the simulators, it was actually just too tantalizing to make sure I made hits where I wanted to on the enemy tanks, making the small adjustments at the last moments. I complained to the Rafael team that it should not be so much fun to destroy enemy armor. It’s a really slick setup. The SR and NLOS in particular. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:55:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryDamn. That guy really needed to have an NLAW or Javelin.
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:56:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: They ain't getting those out anytime soon. Do they have thermite grenades? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Originally Posted By M-1975:
Besides, all they have to do is dump their vodka in the commander's hatch and light it - but that would mean losing the vodka. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:57:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: I’m finding the guerrilla warfare with modern portable missiles and NODs highly effective against a conventional force. We had to deal with various versions of it from Vietnam to Afghanistan, but not with the sophisticated technology the Ukrainians are employing. Seeing irregulars as fast moving militias wrecking superior forces has been incredible. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Ukraine does not win without going on offense. Defense, retreat, getting encircled, defense, is a losing game. Ukraine wins this by husbanding their forces and forcing the Russian timeline further to right. They don’t have the ability to do more than local counter attacks. The Russians still have a huge firepower advantage, attempting an offense against that will just give the Russians the concentration needed to destroy them quickly. I’m finding the guerrilla warfare with modern portable missiles and NODs highly effective against a conventional force. We had to deal with various versions of it from Vietnam to Afghanistan, but not with the sophisticated technology the Ukrainians are employing. Seeing irregulars as fast moving militias wrecking superior forces has been incredible. We need to send them a shit ton of those fast dune buggy's with the squad weapon on the back and a bunch of ATGMS and let this guys shoot and scoot all night with NODS and raise holy hell. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:57:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SoCalExile]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4thbreak: Has there been any footage or evidence in this whole ordeal of t72's effectively using their reactive armor? |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:58:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: hondaciv]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4thbreak: Has there been any footage or evidence in this whole ordeal of t72's effectively using their reactive armor? Yeah, pretty sure. There's been lots of videos of tanks getting hit and continue moving. Or get hit and they don't burn immediately. The videos don't last long enough usually to determine outcome. There's been a couple instances where they get hit, continue to move and then catch like a sparkler a few seconds later. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 11:58:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4thbreak: Has there been any footage or evidence in this whole ordeal of t72's effectively using their reactive armor? Yes, in the video taken by drone of the NLAW initiated near ambush on the road, the second T-72 takes a frontal hit immediately after firing its main gun. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 12:00:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By mnd6563: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: An ingot of pure 24kt 3 nine fine gold the size of an ordinary brick or so, weighs nearly 75 imperial pounds. Back when they used to have public tours at Ft. Knox when it still had real gold in it they used to tell tourists they could have a bar tax free if they were able to pick it up with one hand using only their fingers. There is no gold in Ft Knox, they used it all to pay for the Apollo program and when it failed they had to go to deficit spending to cover the costs of Stanley Kubrick's work on faking the videos and images. That is why we dropped the gold standard int he 70's. By then, the Jews in Hollywood were the only ones with the gold. True story! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw45hr4V-coI've been saying for years, if you want to learn the real truth on global issues, skip the MSM and go straight to the Simpsons, Family Guy, and South Park. They always get it right. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 12:01:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TONTO44: Would the Russian gas pipelines, that go through Ukraine to Europe, be legitimate targets for Ukraine? I saw this tweet:
Only if you want to piss off the European countries that are helping you right now. Gas isn't going to Russia, it's going from Russia to European countries.
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Posted: 3/14/2022 12:02:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By polishkebasa: Against the ERA on the side skirts probably not , against he bare hull/sides it is in the realm of possibility. The t72 hull should be around 80mm of RHA, apds 30x165mm has some where around 45mm of penetration at 100 meters against an 60 degree slope so I'm unsure about it's performance against a flat side. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By polishkebasa: Originally Posted By mnd6563: Originally Posted By JamesP81: Originally Posted By M-1975:
That APC at the end really had a bad day from that 30mm cannon. Can that 30mm cannon have any significant effect on a T-72bm? Against the ERA on the side skirts probably not , against he bare hull/sides it is in the realm of possibility. The t72 hull should be around 80mm of RHA, apds 30x165mm has some where around 45mm of penetration at 100 meters against an 60 degree slope so I'm unsure about it's performance against a flat side. |
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