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Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:37:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Goodn:



I did.  


Well...  Feed them to the pigs.  But they would just poison them.
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Seriously, think about this, 40,000 is just shy of a Corps. You have to deploy them from Syria so you have two choices. You load them on aircraft and fly them to either Crimea or Southwestern Russia. Once in Crimea you have to transport them to Southern Ukraine. If you land in Russia you have to load them on trains, then convoy them to the front. It's a major exercise to pull this off with an actual modern army.

Now rethink the above exercise and remember they're jihadis, and are about a disciplined as a flock of 'methed out farm animals being herded by drunk alligators.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:38:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By anono:


If anything it would help the UKR IMO. I'm surprised the propo machine hasn't already created a martyr. Seems to be missing other than the women/children from the maternity ward, but they weren't well known.
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Oh absolutely. I’m just making it clear that Ukrainians are fiercely independent as-is. When I visited back in 2016, I saw it first hand. My relatives refused my money when I offered it to them. Refused to have me pay for their meals anytime we went out. In fact I tried to give them my outgoing smartphone. Refused that because of what others around them might think in that they begged me for it. In fact they haven’t asked for a dime since this conflict has started. They haven’t booked it for the border either. I know all are like this but you can bet a damn large amount are.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:39:08 PM EST
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Russian Orlan-10 UAV allegedly landed in Romania.

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Defected.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:40:44 PM EST
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Now the Russians are even arresting people holding blank pieces of paper.

Russian police arrest man holding up blank sheet of paper
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:41:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
I'm seeing many more Ukr tanks with turrets unpopped than their Rus counterparts.

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Damn what hit that turret?
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:42:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Boedy:


I read that Ukraine had 500 of these rockets at one point but how many currently exist is the question.  And why wouldn't you pick a much better military objective for something like? Lots of staging areas you could target if you had gotten that close to Donetsk.
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Originally Posted By Theodoric:
Originally Posted By Boedy:


Occupation authorities in Donetsk report 17 killed, 28 wounded as result of interception of a missile over central Donetsk

Who shot it and who brought it down is missing in the report
I would imagine that the US can at least tell where it came from with the assets we have in place. The most logical possibilities in my mind are that it was a Russian or separatist SRMB that went off course, it was a Russian or separatist SRBM that was intercepted somehow by air defense, it was a Russian or separatist SRBM fired intentionally at civilian target for propaganda purposes or it is just faked entirely.  Unless the Russians just suck donkey balls, I dont know how the Ukrainians would even have an SRBM left at this point that could get to where it could be fired on that target.


I read that Ukraine had 500 of these rockets at one point but how many currently exist is the question.  And why wouldn't you pick a much better military objective for something like? Lots of staging areas you could target if you had gotten that close to Donetsk.
Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense.  Ukraine is fighting a propaganda war as much as physical war.  Targeting something that can hurt your international propaganda effort makes zero sense.  It makes perfect sense for the Russians to do it.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:45:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Element94:

Damn what hit that turret?
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Originally Posted By Element94:
Originally Posted By Dracster:
I'm seeing many more Ukr tanks with turrets unpopped than their Rus counterparts.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-03-14_13-36-13_jpg-2313339.JPG


Damn what hit that turret?
Maybe a 125MM APFSDS.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:45:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Boedy:


Occupation authorities in Donetsk report 17 killed, 28 wounded as result of interception of a missile over central Donetsk

Who shot it and who brought it down is missing in the report
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:
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Okay thanks, I stand corrected. Do you think that they would use them on Donetsk? Judging by what the video shows, that City is in pretty good shape compared to their neighbors. I also doubt that anyone there really knows the extent of what's going on in Ukraine right now, given the moratorium on News broadcasts.

I mean, a drone ended up in Croatia and they tried to say it was Ukraine. Just seems odd that Ukraine would like drop a couple shells and call it quits. Especially given the distance.

Maybe I am wrong?

I don’t think Ukraine would be using valuable military materials on civilian targets when there are so many soldiers to kill.


Occupation authorities in Donetsk report 17 killed, 28 wounded as result of interception of a missile over central Donetsk

Who shot it and who brought it down is missing in the report



Assuming it wasn’t just a Russian rocket that had a whoopsie and scored an own-goal.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:47:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By x248716x:

just a side thought, wondering if heels-up banged her professors for grades.
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Of course she did. She couldn't even pass the bar exam the first time.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:47:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Theodoric:
Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense.  Ukraine is fighting a propaganda war as much as physical war.  Targeting something that can hurt your international propaganda effort makes zero sense.  It makes perfect sense for the Russians to do it.
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Originally Posted By Theodoric:
Originally Posted By Boedy:
Originally Posted By Theodoric:
Originally Posted By Boedy:


Occupation authorities in Donetsk report 17 killed, 28 wounded as result of interception of a missile over central Donetsk

Who shot it and who brought it down is missing in the report
I would imagine that the US can at least tell where it came from with the assets we have in place. The most logical possibilities in my mind are that it was a Russian or separatist SRMB that went off course, it was a Russian or separatist SRBM that was intercepted somehow by air defense, it was a Russian or separatist SRBM fired intentionally at civilian target for propaganda purposes or it is just faked entirely.  Unless the Russians just suck donkey balls, I dont know how the Ukrainians would even have an SRBM left at this point that could get to where it could be fired on that target.


I read that Ukraine had 500 of these rockets at one point but how many currently exist is the question.  And why wouldn't you pick a much better military objective for something like? Lots of staging areas you could target if you had gotten that close to Donetsk.
Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense.  Ukraine is fighting a propaganda war as much as physical war.  Targeting something that can hurt your international propaganda effort makes zero sense.  It makes perfect sense for the Russians to do it.


Might be related, UKR could have been taking another shot at that base and Russia intercepted it this time.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/ukraine-reportedly-strikes-russian-airbase
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:48:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By atavistic:
If there is a cease fire/peace settlement, is Russia going to get all their tanks and equipment back?
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Illegally parked, blocking a roadway, impound fees, interest on fees over 30 days, out of state ass fucking, possession of dangerous weapons, destruction of roadways, registration violation, no proof of insurance, fees for hazardous materials cleanup.

Pay with cash only at gate.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:49:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By atavistic:
If there is a cease fire/peace settlement, is Russia going to get all their tanks and equipment back?
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Illegally parked, blocking a roadway, impound fees, interest on fees over 30 days, out of state ass fucking, possession of dangerous weapons, destruction of roadways, registration violation, no proof of insurance, fees for hazardous materials cleanup.

Pay with cash only at gate.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:49:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By atavistic:
If there is a cease fire/peace settlement, is Russia going to get all their tanks and equipment back?
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Illegally parked, blocking a roadway, impound fees, interest on fees over 30 days, out of state ass fucking, possession of dangerous weapons, destruction of roadways, registration violation, no proof of insurance, fees for hazardous materials cleanup.

Pay with cash only at gate.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:49:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tomislav:
Assuming it wasn’t just a Russian rocket that had a whoopsie and scored an own-goal.
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The most likely scenario.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:50:47 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:52:01 PM EST
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Blocking international waterways …..

Spicy.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:52:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By atavistic:
If there is a cease fire/peace settlement, is Russia going to get all their tanks and equipment back?
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Illegally parked, blocking a roadway, impound fees, interest on fees over 30 days, out of state ass fucking, possession of dangerous weapons, destruction of roadways, registration violation, no proof of insurance, fees for hazardous materials cleanup.

Pay with cash only at gate.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:52:41 PM EST
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This was posted earlier, but it needs to be read, over and over again:

Leninthink by Gary Saul Morson

The same ideological weapons are being used against American society now, and if we cannot identify what is dangerous about such thinking, then we will have no effective way to combat it.


"The same logic applied to rights. On paper, the Soviet Constitution of 1936 guaranteed more rights than any other state in the world. I recall a Soviet citizen telling me that people in the ussr had absolute freedom of speech—so long as they did not lie. I recalled this curious concept of freedom when a student defended complete freedom of speech except for hate speech—and hate speech included anything he disagreed with. Whatever did not seem hateful was actually a “dog-whistle.”"

Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:53:06 PM EST
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Russia has created its own trusted TLS certificate authority (CA) to solve website access problems that have been piling up after sanctions prevent certificate renewals.

The sanctions imposed by western companies and governments are preventing Russian sites from renewing existing TLS certificates, causing browsers to block access to sites with expired certificates.

TLS certificates help the web browser confirm that a domain belongs to a verified entity and that the exchange of information between the user and the server is encrypted.
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Russia creates its own TLS certificate authority to bypass sanctions
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:53:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By zach_:

Illegally parked, blocking a roadway, impound fees, interest on fees over 30 days, out of state ass fucking, possession of dangerous weapons, destruction of roadways, registration violation, no proof of insurance, fees for hazardous materials cleanup.

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Originally Posted By zach_:
Originally Posted By atavistic:
If there is a cease fire/peace settlement, is Russia going to get all their tanks and equipment back?

Illegally parked, blocking a roadway, impound fees, interest on fees over 30 days, out of state ass fucking, possession of dangerous weapons, destruction of roadways, registration violation, no proof of insurance, fees for hazardous materials cleanup.

Pay with cash only at gate.


dude, just 1 click
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:54:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By M-1975:
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Those boys are not fucking around.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:54:26 PM EST
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Blocking international waterways ..

Spicy.
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United States destroys Russian economy. Chinese stock market crashes.  Russia bars export of wheat and US embargoes Russia. Lichtenstein stands alone.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:54:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By atavistic:
If there is a cease fire/peace settlement, is Russia going to get all their tanks and equipment back?
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No. Ben will theft them and become king of Ruskie refurbished armored vehicle market.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:54:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By zach_:

Illegally parked, blocking a roadway, impound fees, interest on fees over 30 days, out of state ass fucking, possession of dangerous weapons, destruction of roadways, registration violation, no proof of insurance, fees for hazardous materials cleanup.

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Originally Posted By zach_:
Originally Posted By atavistic:
If there is a cease fire/peace settlement, is Russia going to get all their tanks and equipment back?

Illegally parked, blocking a roadway, impound fees, interest on fees over 30 days, out of state ass fucking, possession of dangerous weapons, destruction of roadways, registration violation, no proof of insurance, fees for hazardous materials cleanup.

Pay with cash only at gate.

You're 180kg over on your rear bogeys. Park and come inside with your paperwork.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:55:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:


Of course she did. She couldn't even pass the bar exam the first time.
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The Exam proctor made her go heels up more than once?
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:55:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:
This was posted earlier, but it needs to be read, over and over again:

Leninthink by Gary Saul Morson

The same ideological weapons are being used against American society now, and if we cannot identify what is dangerous about such thinking, then we will have no effective way to combat it.


"The same logic applied to rights. On paper, the Soviet Constitution of 1936 guaranteed more rights than any other state in the world. I recall a Soviet citizen telling me that people in the ussr had absolute freedom of speech—so long as they did not lie. I recalled this curious concept of freedom when a student defended complete freedom of speech except for hate speech—and hate speech included anything he disagreed with. Whatever did not seem hateful was actually a “dog-whistle.”"

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Gary is one of Bill Clinton's old buddies.

Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:55:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By M-1975:
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Blocking access to international waterways?  Might as well declare war.  What are you gonna do if they don’t stop?
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:57:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mitsudriver:


Blocking access to international waterways?  Might as well declare war.  What are you gonna do if they don’t stop?
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Might be a good time to get into the privateering business.  
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:58:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:
This was posted earlier, but it needs to be read, over and over again:

Leninthink by Gary Saul Morson

The same ideological weapons are being used against American society now, and if we cannot identify what is dangerous about such thinking, then we will have no effective way to combat it.


"The same logic applied to rights. On paper, the Soviet Constitution of 1936 guaranteed more rights than any other state in the world. I recall a Soviet citizen telling me that people in the ussr had absolute freedom of speech—so long as they did not lie. I recalled this curious concept of freedom when a student defended complete freedom of speech except for hate speech—and hate speech included anything he disagreed with. Whatever did not seem hateful was actually a “dog-whistle.”"

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I posted it this morning. Lenin was nothing new in Russia, he just pimped up the tyranny.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:58:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By kncook:


Blocking international waterways …..

Spicy.
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Fuck yes. Do it.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:58:33 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:59:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:

Gary is one of Bill Clinton's old buddies.

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And? How does that relate to the point I was trying to make?

Lots of people were photographed with Jeffrey Epstein (apparently this was a part of his con).


Link Posted: 3/14/2022 5:59:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By kncook:


Blocking international waterways …..

Spicy.
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Originally Posted By kncook:
Originally Posted By M-1975:


Blocking international waterways …..

Spicy.


That is getting close to 'we're not going to bomb your troops, but you'll wish we'd done that instead ' territory
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:00:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:

Exactly. I think Zelensky is getting way too much credit in terms of morale and the will to fight. Yes, him staying in Kyiv and doing his daily broadcasts has definitely boosted morale. However, he's not he sole reason why Ukrainians are giving the Kremlin a big F U. Simply put, it's their land and they are tired of Russia always bullying them, taking their shit, and killing them.
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I definitely would like to see more press conferences involving other military leaders saying they won't be giving up. Lots more. From lots of different branches and areas.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:01:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AZshooter71:


Thank you for stating what I found to be quite obvious as well. Clearly others don’t see it for what it is.
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Originally Posted By Blademan:

That was an extremely well-polished piece of leftist propaganda.  I forced myself to watch the whole thing just to make sure.  If you guys can't see through the fucking bullshit they were selling you are totally brainwashed and beyond any hope.  Fucking wow...

Now, back to finding some real information in this thread...


Thank you for stating what I found to be quite obvious as well. Clearly others don’t see it for what it is.

Guess I need to adjust my bullshit meter.

That and not watch long videos late at night.

I was mainly focused on the "Putin's mentality" aspect of it.

And, because it's not included in the quote chain:

Putin's Road to War: Julia Ioffe (interview) | FRONTLINE
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:01:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By nickmemphis:

I posted it this morning. Lenin was nothing new in Russia, he just pimped up the tyranny.
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Then, thank you for posting it.

I was just trying to point out that the same exact thinking and "it isn't a means unto an end, it's an end in of itself" circular justification is what makes these people so fucking dangerous.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:02:21 PM EST
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Vlad will take them to test ASAP if they try and block his ships. Sadly most think the US no longer has the desire to go hard in this high stakes game.
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Assuming it wasn’t just a Russian rocket that had a whoopsie and scored an own-goal.
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If not that would mean US or Israel has moved some pretty serious gear into UKR. Shooting down missiles isn't easy or cheap. Will be interesting to see if it can be verified.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:02:36 PM EST
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They've had some of the worst democratically-elected government on the planet, for the last 75 years.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:02:41 PM EST
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How is this less escalatory than a no fly zone?
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:04:23 PM EST
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How is this less escalatory than a no fly zone?
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Originally Posted By M-1975:

How is this less escalatory than a no fly zone?
It isn't, it's serious escalation. If this moves forward, and the Chinese don't object, it's on.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:05:14 PM EST
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If you are going to do an actual trade embargo you may as well start shooting down jets in a no fly zone.  
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:05:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Theodoric:
United States destroys Russian economy. Chinese stock market crashes.  Russia bars export of wheat and US embargoes Russia. Lichtenstein stands alone.
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Originally Posted By kncook:


Blocking international waterways ..

Spicy.
United States destroys Russian economy. Chinese stock market crashes.  Russia bars export of wheat and US embargoes Russia. Lichtenstein stands alone.
My money's on Lichtenstein.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:06:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FrankyRay:

Guess I need to adjust my bullshit meter.

That and not watch long videos late at night.

I was mainly focused on the "Putin's mentality" aspect of it.

And, because it's not included in the quote chain:

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I watched the whole thing too. She lost me at the same place as Mal noted, where she somehow came to the conclusion that Putin got Trump elected, and calling NATO to account was somehow serving Putin.

It was like that meme about mental gymnastics recently, where most of it was A-B-C-D..."like ok, I'm with you, kind makes sens..." and then the rest was all: "ALIENS-THEN JEWS-BUT NAZI JEWS!-AND THEN TRUMP! HAND PICKED BY PUTIN-BUT HILARY CLINTON OR JOE BIDEN OR BARRACK OBAMA--TOTALLY ENEMIES OF PUTIN!"

That was like a mental leap that could span the Grand Canyon.
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The UUSR constitution of 1936 was sort of hilarious. Mainly because it was completely ignored. They wrote down a bunch of lovely flowery phrases, ratified it, signed it, sealed it, notarized it, and then went right on doing what the Russian state has always done which is do whatever they feel like doing when it suites them.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:08:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By pr24guy:
Now the Russians are even arresting people holding blank pieces of paper.

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Some russian people just don't get the world they live in now.
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:08:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kerry201pro:
Vlad will take them to test ASAP if they try and block his ships. Sadly most think the US no longer has the desire to go hard in this high stakes game.
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What ships? The ones Turkey blocked 8.7 days ago?

I wonder if it was just the battleships or the tugboats that move them around also.

Putin isn't taking anyone to task, unless you mean launching nukes.
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Yeah

That's a big fuck a you to the Russians
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?????? ?????????? ??-25 ????? ???????? ??????? ????? ????????? ? ???? ?????? ????


Damaged Su-25
Link Posted: 3/14/2022 6:09:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Theodoric:
Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense.  Ukraine is fighting a propaganda war as much as physical war.  Targeting something that can hurt your international propaganda effort makes zero sense.  It makes perfect sense for the Russians to do it.
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I'm going with either a russian false flag or russian accident of some sort. I'm surprised there haven't been more russian false flags already.
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