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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:06:17 PM EDT
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Do we need to make a separate war profiteering thread?
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:06:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
An old neighbor in Germany sent me this character assessment from a Journalist that reported from back in the DDR times. Interesting read - I shoved it through Google Translate for the rest of you.

https://www-bpb-de.translate.goog/themen/deutschlandarchiv/506247/wie-ich-putin-traf-und-er-mich-das-fuerchten-lehrte/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
An old neighbor in Germany sent me this character assessment from a Journalist that reported from back in the DDR times. Interesting read - I shoved it through Google Translate for the rest of you.

https://www-bpb-de.translate.goog/themen/deutschlandarchiv/506247/wie-ich-putin-traf-und-er-mich-das-fuerchten-lehrte/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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After Putin's attack on independent Ukraine, many Germans, politicians, managers and journalists complained that they had been deceived and lied to by Putin for years. Yes, that's right. But it's also true: many have let themselves be deceived and lied to. Some only too gladly.




Ya mean.. like Shrub/Obammy/Bidensky???

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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:07:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By juan223:



excellent point
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Originally Posted By eesmith:
I think she's trying to channel Alinsky's rule about forcing the enemy to live up to their own rules, in this case the lefty claim that any nazy anywhere even tangentially involved with something is enough to discredit the entire cause. She basically wants them to publicly admit situations are more complicated and it's a stupid argument, especially given the way she was attacked for going to AFPAC.

This is also her creating a talking point for the next time she's attacked for meeting with/speaking to controversial people.



excellent point
Completely agree, but it will go over most people's heads, unfortunately, especially those who need to hear it the most.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:07:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By klinc:
Kinda odd for a ground attack helicopter to pitch way up and fire a bunch of unguided rockets over the horizon?
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Two guesses, he either was told to go attack some target and made a “business decision”, or more likely the Russians are just lobbing everything they can into cities from safe distances.  This would mirror the observed tactics by their aircraft.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:07:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech:
Larping lol..


That unit has wholesale slaughtered Russians. They've been one of the main reasons that mariopol has not fallen when surrounded for 3 weeks.


But Larping.

They're better fighters and more dedicated to their soil than half this board claims to be. And I'm proud to cheer for them.
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Well... Live Action Role Play

Certainly no shortage of "live action" it's a real war after all,  but elements of the unit are certainly "role playing" the nazzzi angle.  

And let's not forget we're on a board that has at times dogpiled members for merely showing off grandpa's war trophies he took off of dead nazzis (German ones).  

IDGAF personally about the units issues,  I KNOW the world is a complicated place.  I just like to point out the hypocrisy of my political enemies.  

Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:07:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:

Started off good but went to shit when he called J6 an attempted insurrection.
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The problem is the 2 sides define the event completely differently. Trump failed to do a good job expressing in specific terms what he wanted and left it open to interpretation from both sides.  He has a habit of continuing to do that after it has bitten him in the ass.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:09:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:

It is correct.

NATO is powerless because of nukes. The new alliance has to be free of nuclear states.
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Originally Posted By M-1975:

It is correct.

NATO is powerless because of nukes. The new alliance has to be free of nuclear states.
@outofbattery called it.

Ukraine is looking for a "third way"
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:10:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
An old neighbor in Germany sent me this character assessment from a Journalist that reported from back in the DDR times. Interesting read - I shoved it through Google Translate for the rest of you.

https://www-bpb-de.translate.goog/themen/deutschlandarchiv/506247/wie-ich-putin-traf-und-er-mich-das-fuerchten-lehrte/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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   The fondness many Germans have for Russia is only surpassed  by the far left Finns in terms of people who should know better behaving abysmally.
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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:13:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By norseman1:



MTG is a loud mouth.

But, the only ones carrying water for Putin are the demoKKKrats who relaxed sanctions and voted against TCruz.

Lets face it, nobody believes we should ACTUALLY be putting boots on the ground while the EU sits on the sidelines.

Armchair generals will argue that we should have put resources into place earlier on and established a no-fly on the western region. Fair question, but, its really late for that now.
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These people exist. Some people in DC would love a limited engagement conventional war that would let them ram through all the domestic policy they want while Americans are buying magnetic ribbons for their cars.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:13:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Voland:


Does that not seem odd? Total internet and media blackout? Someone should be talking about the explosions or something, anything?
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Anyone have an update on Belarus? Seems like thats a super important thing right now that no one is reporting on...
Not even a whisper.


Does that not seem odd? Total internet and media blackout? Someone should be talking about the explosions or something, anything?



Police states get to do police state things. I have no idea what’s going on in Belarus and don’t care to speculate based upon only,so far,rumors.

 Meanwhile it looks like Putin is going to start making examples

Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:14:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheResurrector:
Oddly enough, the ruble has gained a lot of its value back. It's still down compared to before the invasion but not nearly as bad as it was. Not sure why. Maybe the panic is dying down?
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Problem is, convertibility into foreign  currency has been suspended. Meaning one can't buy USD or Euro or anything over there. This is just like in the year 1980.
Soon they will make hoarding foreign currency illegal.

SWIFT has been disconnected, the embargo on parts is real, give it  6 months and the economy will collapse.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:14:34 PM EDT
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Something big exploded in Kharkiv:


Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:15:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:

Chechens came in them.
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Originally Posted By zach_:

There was a Toyota Land Cruiser in the video. I don't recall seeing Toyotas there.

Chechens came in them.




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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:15:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By N2CH_556:


You’re 100% right.

And that’s exactly the point.  

The Azov fighters are the real tip of the spear in Ukraine.

But everyone here wants to downplay it or say it’s fake news and avoid the topic.

Same way CIA/NATO/Gulf funded and armed ISIS and other “moderate rebels” because as much as they sucked they were still used as foot soldiers against Assad.

If anyone here can translate Ukrainian, would be good to validate what this neo-Nazi leader is saying, direct from the horse’s mouth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJKAv1n1Y1o

These neo-Nazis ignorantly think they can outfox the CIA/NATO/Globalists to get arms and “work on behalf of the west” and will be the cause of the breakup of Russia and eventually take control of Ukraine, kick out their Jewish president and make Ukraine into a respected global player.  [Some ISIS fools may have thought similarly— that they could outfox their masters and they would end up w a glorious caliphate. D’oh!  Wrong! Lol]

Reality is CIA/NATO are using Azov fighters as foot-soldiers in a Globalist’s game to burn Ukraine to the ground (along with innocent Ukrainians) as part of an effort to regime-change Putin.  Once Azov is done (either by success or failure) they’ll be discarded like trash the same way ISIS was.
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its the start of BinLaden 2.0
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:16:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By klinc:
Kinda odd for a ground attack helicopter to pitch way up and fire a bunch of unguided rockets over the horizon?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMS8VzxVruY
Kinda odd for a ground attack helicopter to pitch way up and fire a bunch of unguided rockets over the horizon?

Kind of the hail Mary approach?  It did seem very odd.  Curious if any of the military helo guys here have ever heard of the tactic being practiced or is really just as desperate as it appears?
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:16:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:


Source?
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:
Originally Posted By N2CH_556:

Reality is CIA/NATO are using Azov fighters as foot-soldiers in a Globalist’s game to burn Ukraine to the ground (along with innocent Ukrainians) as part of an effort to regime-change Putin.  Once Azov is done (either by success or failure) they’ll be discarded like trash the same way ISIS was.


Source?


Watch the video in my post.  The C14 leader says it in his own words.

Also read any white paper from any western  think-thank discussing the topic for the past several decades.  They may use fancy language but it’s what they’re saying.

Same message from people like Zbigniew Brzezinski or other contemporary high level architects of geopolitical policy and strategy.

There’s also an interview of Soros from 1995 which has been posted here a bazillion times ..may want to give that a read.

Start with the video in my post.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:17:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:



Police states get to do police state things. I have no idea what’s going on in Belarus and don’t care to speculate based upon only,so far,rumors.

 Meanwhile it looks like Putin is going to start making examples

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Originally Posted By Voland:
Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
Originally Posted By Voland:
Anyone have an update on Belarus? Seems like thats a super important thing right now that no one is reporting on...
Not even a whisper.


Does that not seem odd? Total internet and media blackout? Someone should be talking about the explosions or something, anything?



Police states get to do police state things. I have no idea what’s going on in Belarus and don’t care to speculate based upon only,so far,rumors.

 Meanwhile it looks like Putin is going to start making examples


Kill off the Russian ethnicity that much faster. WIN!
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:18:53 PM EDT
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https://nypost.com/2022/03/17/russian-model-gretta-vedler-who-trashed-putin-found-dead/
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:19:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M-1975:
Something big exploded in Kharkiv:


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Man these people are crazy, 3 weeks later and still out and about in the middle of a warzone!
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:20:21 PM EDT
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Those were Chechens. You can tell by their accents and the Allah Akbar being said several times throughout.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:20:22 PM EDT
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If someone does poison him, I hope they get it on video.
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
Daily Beast contributing editor Craig Copetas says he's been told that Putin has people tasting his food before he eats it and that last month, he replaced his entire personal staff of 1,000 people.Vladimir Putin appeared on Russian state TV today to denounce Russians who opposed his war with Ukraine as "scum" and "traitors."

But behind the scenes, the dictator is increasingly paranoid and fears that someone in his inner circle will poison him, a new report says.
Daily Beast contributing editor Craig Copetas says he's been told that Putin has people tasting his food before he eats it and that last month, he replaced his entire personal staff of 1,000 people.

"Laundresses, secretaries, cooks  to a whole new group of people. The assessment from the intelligence community is that he's scared," Copetas said.
Copetas says that the preferred method of assassination in Russia is poison.
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If someone does poison him, I hope they get it on video.


Like Geoffrey in GOT
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:20:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:

Started off good but went to shit when he called J6 an attempted insurrection.
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:
Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e1BndTE6Lg

Started off good but went to shit when he called J6 an attempted insurrection.


That was my only complaint as well.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:21:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:



What is gained is credibility among the part of American conservatives that have gone full retard in a Newtonian reaction to TDS. It is hardly as if those in the bio-lab thread or those promoting the idea that Ukraine is killing civilians for sympathy are forming these ideas on their own. A fair fraction of the US right has simply lost its mind.

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This is sarcasm, playing of the reason Putin invaded
Yeah, but it's incredibly bad taste, and just stupid.  What was to be gained by posting this?



What is gained is credibility among the part of American conservatives that have gone full retard in a Newtonian reaction to TDS. It is hardly as if those in the bio-lab thread or those promoting the idea that Ukraine is killing civilians for sympathy are forming these ideas on their own. A fair fraction of the US right has simply lost its mind.



I think the thing some observers are missing is that those people aren't losing their mind; they've always been idiots susceptible to suggestion.  Every faction has them.   They're the mirror image of the Trader Joe's stocker in skinny jeans ranting about whatever the left is butthurt about.   The left in the US really stepped up their propaganda game in the last couple of years and now is putting *a lot* of effort encouraging that group - taking things like regular Russian shilling and amplifying the aspects of if that they find convenient for their opponents to take up.


Speaking of which, a couple pages back:

Originally Posted By Storz:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:


Insane how covered by video this whole thing has been


... and yet you have a million mouth breathers, including a bunch in GD, running around talking about how there "hasn't been any video of actual fighting" and publicly speculating that the war is fake.    
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:22:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:

Not entirely true. Not all drone operators have to be licensed(still have to follow the rules though) hence why the Mavic Mini line up is a thing.
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Why yes, yes indeed it is.

Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:22:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SilverBearX:

Yea, I have to think this is the explanation,  but she should have been more direct in saying it instead of the games. The games are not caught by all. Just the talking point of what she said.
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It could merely be the opening play in that "game"

A less inflammatory tweet would likely be poor bait...
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:23:34 PM EDT
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More info from UKRInform:

President’s Office: Ukraine wants to end war by forming coalition able to stop Russia in future

17.03.2022 16:37
Ukraine intends to end the war with the Russian Federation by forming a new international security coalition.

“What matters to us is not status, but allies who are really ready to fight alongside us. The invasion of Ukraine has shown that the whole architecture of European security must be reconsidered. We know that Putin can only be stopped by force. NATO does not have that force. In our opinion, this is an organization whose main activity is to organize summits where the generals show that they are cool… So we want to end this war with a new coalition, so powerful that it will be able to stop Russia if it wants to attack someone again," Mykhailo Podolyak, Adviser to the Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, said in an interview with the Wiadomości Polish newspaper, Ukrinform reports.

He explained that the basis of the coalition would be fundamentally different from the Budapest Memorandum but would provide a specific condition in line with all the rules of international law. According to the Adviser to the Head of the President’s Office, the document will describe the mechanisms that should be implemented if an attack on Ukraine occurs again. "We want to make sure that we will not be left alone on the battlefield again. The guarantor states will make certain commitments. In the future, this document can be developed and underpin a completely new alliance to ensure security all over Europe," Podolyak added.

He declined to name the states that expressed readiness to join the coalition as talks continue. At the same time, the representative of the President’s Office assured that President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky would present the whole concept when they ended.

In addition, Podolyak noted that the formation of the coalition was one of the key topics of the meeting of the President of Ukraine with Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz Morawiecki, Prime Minister of the Czech Republic Petr Fiala, and Prime Minister of Slovenia Janez Janša in Kyiv on March 15.

Podolyak stressed that Poland's accession to the new union was very important for Ukraine. "Poland is one of Ukraine's best friends today. We are infinitely grateful for the help provided and we believe that Poland and Ukraine should participate together in all negotiations on security in Europe," he said.

On February 24, Russian president Vladimir Putin announced the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine. Russian troops destroy key infrastructure, massively shell residential areas of Ukrainian cities and villages using artillery, multiple launch rocket systems, and ballistic missiles.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:25:08 PM EDT
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Eh. Even NBC says they've got Nazi problems. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

Multiple things can be happening at the same time. Propaganda works because there is a kernel of truth in it.

Might be interesting to see how some of the 'Nazi' fighters react if Zelensky wants to pin a medal on them.
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Up until the invasion, all the news could do is whine about how there were nazi's in ukraine...
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Originally Posted By N2CH_556:


Watch the video in my post.  The C14 leader says it in his own words.

Also read any white paper from any western  think-thank discussing the topic for the past several decades.  They may use fancy language but it’s what they’re saying.

Same message from people like Zbigniew Brzezinski or other contemporary high level architects of geopolitical policy and strategy.

There’s also an interview of Soros from 1995 which has been posted here a bazillion times ..may want to give that a read.

Start with the video in my post.
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Video is pro Russian propaganda. Sorry m8. Stopped when he called the 2014 overthrow of Yanukovitch “democratically elected”.  No proof in that video at all that Azov is just an expendable group being used to undermine Ukraine.
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
Anybody remember this news story? It's dated October 21, 2014.

Former Polish FM Says Putin Offered To Divide Ukraine With Poland
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Anybody remember this news story? It's dated October 21, 2014.

Polish parliamentary speaker Radoslaw Sikorski says that in 2008 Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed to Poland's then-prime minister that they divide Ukraine between themselves.

Sikorski, who until September served as foreign minister, told the U.S. "Politico" website that Putin made the proposal during Prime Minister Donald Tusk's visit to Moscow in 2008.

Sikorski was quoted as saying in the interview, dated October 19, "He wanted us to become participants in this partition of Ukraine...This was one of the first things that Putin said to my prime minister, Donald Tusk, when he visited Moscow."

According to Sikorski, who accompanied Tusk on his trip to Moscow, Tusk did not reply to Putin's suggestion.

Following the annexation of Crimea in March, Russian parliamentary speaker Vladimir Zhirinovsky sent a letter to the governments of Poland, Romania, and Hungary, proposing a joint division of the country.
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That son of a bitch.  I wasn't aware he was still around.  If half the things he says are serious, pray he's never in charge of anything that involves nuclear launch authority.
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

I don't buy it. See the numbering on those panels? The "1" is European style whereas Americans use a simple "I".
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
US-made AN / TPQ-48 portable counter-battery radar, captured by the DPR forces during the battles for Maryinka.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122973/Screenshot_from_2022-03-17_10-02-24_png-2316466.JPG

I don't buy it. See the numbering on those panels? The "1" is European style whereas Americans use a simple "I".

They've had those for several years. Maybe they had to do some maintenance at some point or replace some panels?
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Russian generals are getting killed in Ukraine because they keep going near the front lines to try to personally turn around the faltering invasion, Western officials said on Thursday.

Ukraine said it has killed four generals since the start of the country's invasion on February 24. The toll is unusual for such senior military officers, who are not usually meant to be in the direct line of fire.

The unnamed officials told Insider: "Because things are going badly [Russian generals] have to go closer to the front to guide their troops in operations."

"They need to provide more close-up supervision, going further forward and becoming vulnerable to enemy action."
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Russian generals are dying in Ukraine because they keep going near the front hoping to rescue the invasion, Western officials say
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:

Those were Chechens. You can tell by their accents and the Allah Akbar being said several times throughout.
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:

Those were Chechens. You can tell by their accents and the Allah Akbar being said several times throughout.

Ukraine has their own Chechens.
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:

Those were Chechens. You can tell by their accents and the Allah Akbar being said several times throughout.
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:

Those were Chechens. You can tell by their accents and the Allah Akbar being said several times throughout.



 This was in regards to Ukrainians not being seen in Land Cruisers before. This makes me want to go get a new Land Cruiser,I mean,if I’m only going to live another few months before getting blown up by a Grad might as well do it well 🤔
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Originally Posted By M-1975:
Something big exploded in Kharkiv:


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Fuel depot?
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:28:53 PM EDT
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Why yes, yes indeed it is.

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Saying that without backing up your statement with facts is laughable and silly. If all have to be licensed, even those flying under 249 grams, then I’d know about it.
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See post below yours lol
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Originally Posted By Dracster:

You're not counting the 4-5 other times the nazi thing has been beat upon ad nauseam. It's probably time for the nuke thing to come up again.



See post below yours lol

The most lingering effect of Der tausand Yar Reich is that it's now a lame cliché as if it was some sort of wild aberration in the recorded history of man, that was entirely different in character from it, when really it only differed in that they had new technology to pimp it up. So now, saying, "Say, isn't that basically what Hitler was on about?" is immediately dismissed as hyperbolae out of hand. The problem is, the next Hitler style leader will have all kinds of techno-toys that make radio, airplanes, and detailed files on cardstock look like cuneiform on clay tablets.

87 million gig instantly searchable  databases on everyone, people carrying cell phones...Imagine if in 1980ish a bill came up in the opposite of progress, that all Americans must carry around a satellite trackable device at all times, in case the gummint wants to know exactly where you are right now and who you've been talking with recently and what you were talking about specifically with them.
Imagine the horror and outcry. But now nearly everyone does it on their own volition daily.

And here we are.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:30:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TylerF:
@outofbattery called it.

Ukraine is looking for a "third way"
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Originally Posted By TylerF:
Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:
Originally Posted By M-1975:

It is correct.

NATO is powerless because of nukes. The new alliance has to be free of nuclear states.
@outofbattery called it.

Ukraine is looking for a "third way"

I mentioned it either in this thread or the other one 5 days ago.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:30:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:

Ukraine has their own Chechens.
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True they do, but there were pics from a few days ago if them rolling out in Toyota and Lexus SUV’s like that.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:30:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:



More info from UKRInform:

President’s Office: Ukraine wants to end war by forming coalition able to stop Russia in future

17.03.2022 16:37
Ukraine intends to end the war with the Russian Federation by forming a new international security coalition.

“What matters to us is not status, but allies who are really ready to fight alongside us. The invasion of Ukraine has shown that the whole architecture of European security must be reconsidered. We know that Putin can only be stopped by force. NATO does not have that force. In our opinion, this is an organization whose main activity is to organize summits where the generals show that they are cool… So we want to end this war with a new coalition, so powerful that it will be able to stop Russia if it wants to attack someone again," Mykhailo Podolyak, Adviser to the Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, said in an interview with the Wiadomości Polish newspaper, Ukrinform reports.

He explained that the basis of the coalition would be fundamentally different from the Budapest Memorandum but would provide a specific condition in line with all the rules of international law. According to the Adviser to the Head of the President’s Office, the document will describe the mechanisms that should be implemented if an attack on Ukraine occurs again. "We want to make sure that we will not be left alone on the battlefield again. The guarantor states will make certain commitments. In the future, this document can be developed and underpin a completely new alliance to ensure security all over Europe," Podolyak added.

He declined to name the states that expressed readiness to join the coalition as talks continue. At the same time, the representative of the President’s Office assured that President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky would present the whole concept when they ended.

In addition, Podolyak noted that the formation of the coalition was one of the key topics of the meeting of the President of Ukraine with Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz Morawiecki, Prime Minister of the Czech Republic Petr Fiala, and Prime Minister of Slovenia Janez Janša in Kyiv on March 15.

Podolyak stressed that Poland's accession to the new union was very important for Ukraine. "Poland is one of Ukraine's best friends today. We are infinitely grateful for the help provided and we believe that Poland and Ukraine should participate together in all negotiations on security in Europe," he said.

On February 24, Russian president Vladimir Putin announced the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine. Russian troops destroy key infrastructure, massively shell residential areas of Ukrainian cities and villages using artillery, multiple launch rocket systems, and ballistic missiles.
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Poland, Ukraine, Czechia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania.  Most likely.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:30:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:



 This was in regards to Ukrainians not being seen in Land Cruisers before. This makes me want to go get a new Land Cruiser,I mean,if I’m only going to live another few months before getting blown up by a Grad might as well do it well 🤔
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Ah gotcha gotcha. They are spendy tho!
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:31:24 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:32:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M-1975:
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He isn’t wrong.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:35:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Obo2:

Yall took a video clip and speculated a bunch.

We saw a shell/explosion hit where someone was using a drone. While it's possible they are getting the data from china it's equally or more possible a russian watched where it landed and sent some boom that way.

Bunch of folks in this thread take one little piece of data or rumor and run wild with it.

Not that this drone one is such a big deal but as one example of many it is rather tiring.
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Russia has been helping splat people w/ artillery through SIGINT since 2014.   It's been a constant feature of the conflict even before they put it into high gear.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:35:38 PM EDT
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Funny but not funny at all really. If there ever needs to be evidence that Russian IO works fantastically on some long time members let’s compare a Russian propaganda account

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With a GD thread

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Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:35:39 PM EDT
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That whole lack of experienced NCOs thing continues to bite them in the ass.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:35:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:

It is correct.

NATO is powerless because of nukes. The new alliance has to be free of nuclear states.
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:
Originally Posted By M-1975:

It is correct.

NATO is powerless because of nukes. The new alliance has to be free of nuclear states.

In a thread filled with baffling and idiotic statements, this may be the most baffling and idiotic.
The Ukrainian invasion guarantees that all vulnerable states will have to develop nukes because a credible nuclear threat is the ultimate guarantor of survival.
Germany, Poland, Japan, South Korea, maybe Taiwan.  All of these will acquire nukes ASAP.  Nuclear non-proliferation just ended.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:36:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RickJames1999:

Yak-3s might be a bit of a stretch, but an assload of old boneyard MIG-21s would be understandable - however I know Russia sold a lot of those off and the remaining ones are likely rusting away at old MIG bases around the old USSR.
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Originally Posted By RickJames1999:
Originally Posted By 7empest:

Won't be long before we start seeing KV-1/2s and T-34/85s crossing the border and Ilyushin Il-2 Shturmovik doing ground attacks and Yak-3s mixing it up with MiG-29s


Who ever is coding the matrix right now needs to put down the crack pipe..

Yak-3s might be a bit of a stretch, but an assload of old boneyard MIG-21s would be understandable - however I know Russia sold a lot of those off and the remaining ones are likely rusting away at old MIG bases around the old USSR.

I've often thought that what would happen, counterfactually if we rolled out a bunch of F4U Corsairs and such against modern jets. It's actually harder for a modern jet fighter to engage a slow plane than a peer. Stall speed for a jet is a hundred knots or more over a prop plane. Leving aside stand off 25 miles and pop a Sidewinder up his ass, of course.
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:36:59 PM EDT
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Translation: "We are losing and Ukraine is not giving in to our temper tantrums"

Russia's presidential press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, on Thursday blamed Ukraine for being less willing to find a solution to end the war and reach a potential peace deal, while also saying that Russia is exerting more "colossal effort."

"Our delegation is putting in colossal effort and demonstrates more readiness towards them than the other side," Peskov said, Reuters reported.

"Agreeing such a document, the observance of all its parameters and their implementation could very quickly stop what is happening," he added.

Peskov also said that Ukraine "is in no rush" to make a peace deal and that the Russian delegation is ready to exert further efforts, per Bloomberg.
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Russia Accuses Ukraine of Being Less Willing to Find Solution to End War
Link Posted: 3/17/2022 12:38:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jDrexler:

The intentional nature of the famine was not well understood by the west at the time.
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And we can 'thank' this fella for that....

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