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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J_Von_Random: Power plant means nothing. Army base most likely means nothing. Everyone thinks they live right next to top ten targets in the country when in reality is they are completely irrelevant unless the opposition has damn near ran out of targets. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:12:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: More like keep those guys in reserve because Putin wants the best defending Moscow and keeping internal unrest down lol |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:13:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Haven't seen if verified, but interesting if true. Won't it be quicker if they transport it by train. Russian must be idiots if this is true. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:15:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg how many tugboats? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:15:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: Everyone thinks they live right next to top ten targets in the country when in reality is they are completely irrelevant unless the opposition has damn near ran out of targets. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: Originally Posted By J_Von_Random: Power plant means nothing. Army base most likely means nothing. Everyone thinks they live right next to top ten targets in the country when in reality is they are completely irrelevant unless the opposition has damn near ran out of targets. Some of us live next to actual primary targets. 
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:17:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: To fuckheads improving mankind always seems to involve haveing less mankind Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By realwar: Putin turns on Russians..Putin threatens RUSSIAN "SCUM & TRAITORS" i.e. those supporting Ukraine & western nations  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIeACINKtbIMy favorite part is where he calls for the purification of society. To fuckheads improving mankind always seems to involve haveing less mankind It's a standard formula for earthly paradise. Kill enough of the right people, and then it will all be rainbows, unicorns and butterflies for all. And then it's actually breadlines and drab gray apartment blocks and reactor accidents and those rooms under the Lubyanka, every time. The answer is obviously you need to kill even more people, because you must have missed some, else it would be working good now. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:18:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg Didn’t Turkey close the Bosporus straight to warships? If so how are they going to get into the Black Sea? Or are they going to start shit with Turkey? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:18:57 PM EDT
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 ?? Ukraine War - Ukrainian Soldier Takes Russian Rifle Round To His Machine Gun During Firefight |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:20:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: They could be fucking studs but it's a numbers game. We can funnel more ATGMs into Ukraine than Russia has had, has or will have tanks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Originally Posted By M-1975: He still hasn't named who the good units are. They could be fucking studs but it's a numbers game. We can funnel more ATGMs into Ukraine than Russia has had, has or will have tanks. This. Even the US would take pretty horrific losses facing an insurgency armed with thousands of state of the art ATGMs and MANPADS. Basically need every armored convoy to have a couple drones with thermal cameras scouting ahead an providing an anti-infantry umbrella, zapping anyone lurking near the convoys approach. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:20:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: Didn’t Turkey close the Bosporus straight to warships? If so how are they going to get into the Black Sea? Or are they going to start shit with Turkey? I was going to post that. I’m wondering what the plan would be. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:22:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: weptek911]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg Turkey won’t let them through the Bosphorus . They’ve already denied Russian ships. Those aren’t going to the Black Sea. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:22:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: If true removed trade status Send weapons to Taiwan Oh wait potato  Electronic voting machine algorithms have consequences |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:22:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: So, in other words, you like Zero Hedge and, because of your personal investment in it, don't want to accept that it's not what you thought it was. And it's not a thread slide. Once again, we're discussing Russian propaganda, which they view as one prong of their military doctrine, and it's outlets. It's fully on topic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/81F17490-B709-42FF-B5AB-2E03B119D399-228-2305506.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Voland: Originally Posted By kncook: ZeroHedge is Russian owned. You keep saying that... but whats your proof? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/1D97CFAC-D140-4B8C-A888-63C17AFD7FF8-2316045.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/CFFAAE6B-E1E5-427A-8C89-3BF71290056B-2316047.jpg This is just complete crap. None of that is true. You sure? This is the source: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2200/RR2237/RAND_RR2237.pdf ETA: Published in 2018 at the direction of the Trump DoD - "This research was sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense’s Rapid Reaction Technology Office and conducted within the International Security and Defense Policy Center of the RAND National Defense Research Institute, a federally funded research and development center sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Staff, the Unified Combatant Commands, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the defense agencies, and the defense Intelligence Community." Absolutely certain. That chart is complete nonsense. And, it comes from the leftist group "PropOrNot Team", not the Rand Corp. In case you are unfamiliar with the way ZeroHedge works (which clearly Rand wasn't), they have both original content which they have under the byline pseudonym "Tyler Durden" and they also have guest articles from a variety of contributors (including those on the right). Enough thread slide. Believe what you wish. So, in other words, you like Zero Hedge and, because of your personal investment in it, don't want to accept that it's not what you thought it was. And it's not a thread slide. Once again, we're discussing Russian propaganda, which they view as one prong of their military doctrine, and it's outlets. It's fully on topic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/81F17490-B709-42FF-B5AB-2E03B119D399-228-2305506.JPG No, I'm saying you are completely wrong and have indicated why that is so. You can choose to accept you are wrong or can continue in your ignorance. It has nothing to do with Russian prongs of their military doctrine which we already know includes lies, deceit, misinformation, and propaganda. BTW, in my estimation, the Russians are currently failing in that part of their military every bit as much as their forces in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:24:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell she an idiot on this.
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:24:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wjwill: Come on guys, take that shit to another thread. Sorry, I'm always like ten pages behind. I shall endeavor to refrain. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:24:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT1-285TH: I thought the Turks have closed the Bosphorus Strait to Russian navy ships? Are ‘supply’ ships being allowed to transit the strait? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT1-285TH: Originally Posted By MarkNH: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Haven't seen if verified, but interesting if true. 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg I thought the Turks have closed the Bosphorus Strait to Russian navy ships? Are ‘supply’ ships being allowed to transit the strait? My guess is that they will not if it's a Russian Naval vessel. If it's a commercial vessel, not sure how that would work. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:25:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By getchevyn: Won't it be quicker if they transport it by train. Russian must be idiots if this is true. maybe, but a lot of the rail lines are smashed. They also maybe trying a Inchon landing flanking maneuver depending on how much they have. or maybe they have chinese on board heading for taiwan , who knows. till they get where they are going. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:26:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ERNURSE: For everyone talking about Nukes here and there, you should read "One Second After" by John Matherson. EMP is almost if not more scary than an actual nuke on the ground. I read it, and it was a fun read, but the premise was mostly BS. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:26:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Ah yes. The legendary “real army” Putin has been holding onto. The one full of T14’s, T90’s and VDV troopers. The cream of the Russian army was KIA,MIA, POW week 1. The paratroopers got waxed on the air, land and sea and that’s no exaggeration. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Originally Posted By ad_nauseam: This. Only thing is, I am not sure they lost their "best". Russians have a habit of sending penal battalions into battle to clear the way for more experienced, organized units. Penal battalions were formed from ZEKs, or prisoners. If your battalion gets encircled, you become a traitor, "Enemy of the People" and go to Gulag and then to a penal battalion to "redeem" yourself. I wonder if Putin plays stupid for now, lets them think they are winning, let's this continue for a bit longer, exhausts UA and then throws more divisions into the meat grinder, this time real, not BS conscripts. That's how they won in Stalingrad. Threw fresh reserves into the battle. Thing is, not sure he has that resource. Or can command anyone to go. Who in his right mind would climb into a box on wheels only to end up under fire. Ah yes. The legendary “real army” Putin has been holding onto. The one full of T14’s, T90’s and VDV troopers. The cream of the Russian army was KIA,MIA, POW week 1. The paratroopers got waxed on the air, land and sea and that’s no exaggeration. ШТРАФБАТ - the most realistic WWII film. Penal battalions made of traitors, enemies of the people, criminals, etc. were an essential part of the strategy. Whether they still are, I don't know but I would not be all that surprised. Putin started lecturing on internal traitors. Sounds oh so very Stalinesque  ???????? 1 ????? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:26:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Goodn]
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Apparently one of the 10 victims in the Cherniv bread line that the Russians killed by shelling/shooting is an American from Eleveth MN.
He was there at the hospital with his wife who was having treatments when the war started, He was helping take care of her and decided to go find food. James Hill. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:27:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiG-21: Some of us live next to actual primary targets. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Barksdale_AFB%2C_Global_Strike_Command_IMG_2372.JPG/1280px-Barksdale_AFB%2C_Global_Strike_Command_IMG_2372.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiG-21: Originally Posted By RePp: Originally Posted By J_Von_Random: Power plant means nothing. Army base most likely means nothing. Everyone thinks they live right next to top ten targets in the country when in reality is they are completely irrelevant unless the opposition has damn near ran out of targets. Some of us live next to actual primary targets. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Barksdale_AFB%2C_Global_Strike_Command_IMG_2372.JPG/1280px-Barksdale_AFB%2C_Global_Strike_Command_IMG_2372.JPG Hello Neighbor! |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:27:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Find it yourself. Or don't, I don't give a shit. MTG is a giant fucking tard and anyone who carries water for her is beyond helping, convincing, or even communicating with really. She is embarrassingly stupid to a level that is only exceeded by those dumb enough to believe her or defend her. I learned in one of the latest Tucker Carlson threads that even piles of video evidence showing them saying exactly what was claimed isn't enough so I won't bother with the Putin fellating moron MTG either. I asked cause I couldn't find it on her telegram lighten up Francis. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:27:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: No, I'm saying you are completely wrong and have indicated why that is so. You can choose to accept you are wrong or can continue in your ignorance. It has nothing to do with Russian prongs of their military doctrine which we already know includes lies, deceit, misinformation, and propaganda. BTW, in my estimation, the Russians are currently failing in that part of their military every bit as much as their forces in Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Voland: Originally Posted By kncook: ZeroHedge is Russian owned. You keep saying that... but whats your proof? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/1D97CFAC-D140-4B8C-A888-63C17AFD7FF8-2316045.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/CFFAAE6B-E1E5-427A-8C89-3BF71290056B-2316047.jpg This is just complete crap. None of that is true. You sure? This is the source: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2200/RR2237/RAND_RR2237.pdf ETA: Published in 2018 at the direction of the Trump DoD - "This research was sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense’s Rapid Reaction Technology Office and conducted within the International Security and Defense Policy Center of the RAND National Defense Research Institute, a federally funded research and development center sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Staff, the Unified Combatant Commands, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the defense agencies, and the defense Intelligence Community." Absolutely certain. That chart is complete nonsense. And, it comes from the leftist group "PropOrNot Team", not the Rand Corp. In case you are unfamiliar with the way ZeroHedge works (which clearly Rand wasn't), they have both original content which they have under the byline pseudonym "Tyler Durden" and they also have guest articles from a variety of contributors (including those on the right). Enough thread slide. Believe what you wish. So, in other words, you like Zero Hedge and, because of your personal investment in it, don't want to accept that it's not what you thought it was. And it's not a thread slide. Once again, we're discussing Russian propaganda, which they view as one prong of their military doctrine, and it's outlets. It's fully on topic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/81F17490-B709-42FF-B5AB-2E03B119D399-228-2305506.JPG No, I'm saying you are completely wrong and have indicated why that is so. You can choose to accept you are wrong or can continue in your ignorance. It has nothing to do with Russian prongs of their military doctrine which we already know includes lies, deceit, misinformation, and propaganda. BTW, in my estimation, the Russians are currently failing in that part of their military every bit as much as their forces in Ukraine. Absolutely nothing you said proves your point in the slightest. You like ZeroHedge. Fine. It’s literally you just saying “that’s not true!!” over and over in various ways. This is the last I will say on the subject. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:30:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:30:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiG-21: Some of us live next to actual primary targets. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Barksdale_AFB%2C_Global_Strike_Command_IMG_2372.JPG/1280px-Barksdale_AFB%2C_Global_Strike_Command_IMG_2372.JPG I’m 30 miles west of Whiteman, and there’s some juicy shit in south KC to kill too. It is what it is. I’m as ready as I can be but I’m typing this from a bar at DEN and I’m sure it have a few nukes pointed at it so……..lol while you can |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:31:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockluv: I've been seeing this talking point repeated since day one. Send in the conscripts first so the bad ass battle hardened Spetsnaz can roll in and clean up. Nothing I've seen anywhere leads me to believe that's the case. It's a talking point probably derived from what happened in Grozny, but even in Chechnya that was never a strategy but more just an observation of how things played out. Even if that was their grand strategy in this instance, we're many many days past that point and the momentum seems to be pretty much static for the Russians. It's just not accurate Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockluv: Originally Posted By ad_nauseam: This. Only thing is, I am not sure they lost their "best". Russians have a habit of sending penal battalions into battle to clear the way for more experienced, organized units. Penal battalions were formed from ZEKs, or prisoners. If your battalion gets encircled, you become a traitor, "Enemy of the People" and go to Gulag and then to a penal battalion to "redeem" yourself. I wonder if Putin plays stupid for now, lets them think they are winning, let's this continue for a bit longer, exhausts UA and then throws more divisions into the meat grinder, this time real, not BS conscripts. That's how they won in Stalingrad. Threw fresh reserves into the battle. Thing is, not sure he has that resource. Or can command anyone to go. Who in his right mind would climb into a box on wheels only to end up under fire. I've been seeing this talking point repeated since day one. Send in the conscripts first so the bad ass battle hardened Spetsnaz can roll in and clean up. Nothing I've seen anywhere leads me to believe that's the case. It's a talking point probably derived from what happened in Grozny, but even in Chechnya that was never a strategy but more just an observation of how things played out. Even if that was their grand strategy in this instance, we're many many days past that point and the momentum seems to be pretty much static for the Russians. It's just not accurate Penal battalions were not equipped with swathes of expensive equipment, leaving aside these are obviously not penal battalions. That's beyond silly as an hypothesis. Russia does not have that kind of mil age pop now. They are not drawing from the whole Soviet Union anymore. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:32:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Haha. Let's lose hundreds of tanks so our nice ones don't get dinged up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Originally Posted By fadedsun: They still have plenty of good units that are held back in defense. Plenty. A lot of the good t90s (aka t90m and T90MS), cream of the crop dudes are held back specifically for this purpose should nato become directly involved. They aren't throwing everything in this, especially good units. Haha. Let's lose hundreds of tanks so our nice ones don't get dinged up. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Haven't seen if verified, but interesting if true. 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg 
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:33:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snackle: I doubt it. That would be a retarded strategy. Every day more money, arms, training, and even foreign volunteers flood into UA. More Molotovs are made. More fighting positions prepared. More satellite photos are taken and analyzed, showing Russian positions, tracking their movement and creating better live intel. It also wouldn't explain a bunch of paratroopers and spetznaz getting annihilated right off the bat - that was an attempt at a decapitating strike. The only strategy that would work is a war of attrition. Throw wave after wave of troops into the meat grinder. Historically, that has been the chosen strategy. If Russia loses a million and Ukraine loses 1 million, that's a win for Russia since the latter can't afford to replace that million. That's how Russian won WWII. Their losses were stupendous. 15 million. That's nuclear age type of disaster. Not all from direct combat, but. Germans could not afford to replace their lost men and Russia could. Whether they will apply the same strategy here remains to be seen. They need total mobilization. Draft everyone. manufacture a crisis to that end. They can't win this war without losing 200,000. Just the Battle of Berlin cost the 200K. Not to mention civilian casualties. Kiev is heavily fortified and they cannot win it without leveling to the ground and then losing hundreds of thousands in my estimate over a year or two of fighting. It's an order of magnitude more expensive than they estimated. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:34:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: Didn’t Turkey close the Bosporus straight to warships? If so how are they going to get into the Black Sea? Or are they going to start shit with Turkey? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: Originally Posted By MarkNH: 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg Didn’t Turkey close the Bosporus straight to warships? If so how are they going to get into the Black Sea? Or are they going to start shit with Turkey? Airlift from Syria? replacing better quality gear currently in Syria that is being airlifted to Ukraine? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:34:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
An interesting read and some sneaky ideas here. Yes. Russia is so vulnerable to disloyalty. Use it. Seems likely to have a decent return on investment, and if successful it would make the Russians leave Ukraine fast. Convince the poor saps in the Russian army that they just have to wait out the crumbling Putin regime. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:34:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi:  Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By elcope:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOEbg69WUA0212J?format=jpg&name=medium Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:35:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ad_nauseam: The only strategy that would work is a war of attrition. Throw wave after wave of troops into the meat grinder. Historically, that has been the chosen strategy. If Russia loses a million and Ukraine loses 1 million, that's a win for Russia since the latter can't afford to replace that million. That's how Russian won WWII. Their losses were stupendous. 15 million. That's nuclear age type of disaster. Not all from direct combat, but. Germans could not afford to replace their lost men and Russia could. Whether they will apply the same strategy here remains to be seen. They need total mobilization. Draft everyone. manufacture a crisis to that end. They can't win this war without losing 200,000. Just the Battle of Berlin cost the 200K. Not to mention civilian casualties. Kiev is heavily fortified and they cannot win it without leveling to the ground and then losing hundreds of thousands in my estimate over a year or two of fighting. It's an order of magnitude more expensive than they estimated. A war of attrition is one that Russia can't win. They don't have the people. They don't have the resources. They sure as fuck don't seem to have the equipment. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:38:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: Airlift from Syria? replacing better quality gear currently in Syria that is being airlifted to Ukraine? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:38:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: So help Poland protect Poland but how about giving that to Ukraine or would that mean WW3 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
A few hours old, but don't remember seeing this posted. So help Poland protect Poland but how about giving that to Ukraine or would that mean WW3 England sends Poland a new system, so Poland can send their old Soviet systems to Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:38:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By BB: Post the video @BB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmSTO5UhVugShe can hang with my commie FIL who also supports Putin, the only one in the family |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:40:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ad_nauseam: The only strategy that would work is a war of attrition. Throw wave after wave of troops into the meat grinder. Historically, that has been the chosen strategy. If Russia loses a million and Ukraine loses 1 million, that's a win for Russia since the latter can't afford to replace that million. That's how Russian won WWII. Their losses were stupendous. 15 million. That's nuclear age type of disaster. Not all from direct combat, but. Germans could not afford to replace their lost men and Russia could. Whether they will apply the same strategy here remains to be seen. They need total mobilization. Draft everyone. manufacture a crisis to that end. They can't win this war without losing 200,000. Just the Battle of Berlin cost the 200K. Not to mention civilian casualties. Kiev is heavily fortified and they cannot win it without leveling to the ground and then losing hundreds of thousands in my estimate over a year or two of fighting. It's an order of magnitude more expensive than they estimated. Except this time they will not recover. Look at their birth rates since the fall of the USSR. Back then it made sense because it was za rodinu. This time they are invading not defending. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:43:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI need an RPK. Or an AR-15 type RPK |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:44:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Haven't seen if verified, but interesting if true. Pictures were posted of the rust buckets about 15 pages ago. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:46:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dracster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Haven't seen if verified, but interesting if true. 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg The straits are closed. Allegedly |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:47:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: They could go to Iran a put them on rail to the Caspian sea. Its a stupid long way to go but rather secure. It also doesn't make any sense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By MarkNH: Airlift from Syria? replacing better quality gear currently in Syria that is being airlifted to Ukraine? Is anything they are doing making sense???? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:54:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CZ75_9MM: They will probably be sent to camps eventually. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CZ75_9MM: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
I sincerely hope this is a wake up call for the many ignorant Americans that we have supporting our government. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:55:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring: Cite? I understand that the reports of downed Ilyushins full of paratroopers were shown to be propaganda/disinformation, like the whole Snake Island Heroes/sinking of the Russian warship. No? Are there pics or video of fields full of dead paratroopers? If not. why not? The 1st tank guard which is supposedly their #1 primo army is stalled like everyone else. The VDV dropped into multiple day 1 lightning airport seizures and got wiped every time. Where did you here that the VDV IL-76’s shot down were fake news? American sources claim it is true. Where did you here it was fake news? Can I get a citation? The snake island thing was always a cool story rhat traveled at the speed of light faster before the truth got its pants on. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:56:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Turkey won’t let them through the Bosphorus . They’ve already denied Russian ships. Those aren’t going to the Black Sea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By MarkNH: 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg Turkey won’t let them through the Bosphorus . They’ve already denied Russian ships. Those aren’t going to the Black Sea. Then the Baltics are in play? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:57:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: My guess is that they will not if it's a Russian Naval vessel. If it's a commercial vessel, not sure how that would work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By CPT1-285TH: Originally Posted By MarkNH: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Haven't seen if verified, but interesting if true. 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg I thought the Turks have closed the Bosphorus Strait to Russian navy ships? Are ‘supply’ ships being allowed to transit the strait? My guess is that they will not if it's a Russian Naval vessel. If it's a commercial vessel, not sure how that would work. Those are not commercial ships, those are military ships and prob. going to syria |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:58:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: Is anything they are doing making sense???? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:59:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI see Arnie doesn't have gag reflex. Shocking! The commie weight lifter was nice to Arnie when he met him as a child , oh and he lifts weights. Never mind his own fathers wartime experiences. What a complete tool. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:59:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blackriflefan10: A very insightful and cogent analysis of what's happening and why. Long read, yes. Too much for the meme lords here, maybe. https://cartographer.substack.com/p/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-day-12?s=r Seriously, posting an almost ten day old "analysis" of why the Russians are winning and how bold and awesome it was for the Russian leadership to try and overthrow the current liberal order? Give me a break. Notice the guy hasn't posted any updates since then, which is smart considering how far off base he was in this supposedly insightful essay. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 11:59:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: nickmemphis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firearmsenthusiast: That map is complete garbage. First strike targets will be the missile silos in ND and MT, any submarines in Port, and air bases with nuclear capable aircraft. There are 400 active minute man missiles and 40 launch control centers. The soviet doctrine was multiple hits per target to ensure destruction. They won't have many left after those targets. Another thing is they probably will, or are very likely to, avoid DC. We aren't hitting Moscow either, at least right away. Because then there's no one to talk to. Not being flippant, serious. If you decapitate the whole gov straightaway, everything goes into automatic MAD because there's no NCA. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:00:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Biden to speak with Xi Jinping tomorrow. "what flavor ice cream you got? when I fart, my balls rattle. have you seen the first lady today?" |
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