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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:13:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: You'd be surprised how that could be done. Missiles don't just magically get to Mach 5 for their entire flight phase. I know of two scenarios where this could be possible with the Stinger but don't feel comfortable going into extra details. Generic Option 1: You found a Tochka launcher and soon after launching it's missile, you fire a stinger up the Tochka missiles ass while it's accelerating upward (Ascent phase intercept). Generic Option 2: You have very good real time intelligence on where the missile is coming in, and you can acquire the IR signature of the now very hot missile warhead with the IR seeker while many miles away as it comes in and fire within a few miles of impact. (Terminal Phase intercept) Neither likely happened and both are implausible. It makes much more sense that either the wreckage isn’t what they said it was, it malfunctioned, or we do not understand how it delivers its warhead. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:14:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Of course it was, didn’t you hear the boom? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By hondaciv: 
Wow. I saw the headlines this morning that Russia used a hypersonic missile on some Ukrainian base but had my doubts - that video sure looks like something coming in at re-entry speed.  Damn that thing is fast! Mach 10 is cool That video didn't look like it was even supersonic much less hypersonic, particularly at a low altitude like that. I've seen supersonic fly-bys of F-14s at just above aircraft carrier flight deck level. I'd say that thing is easily moving supersonic. Of course it was, didn’t you hear the boom? Hmmm... had to go back and watch it again. You think that's a sonic boom? I was thinking it was the sound of an explosion, but there would be a delay in the sound from that. 
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:14:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: grambosc]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: "The safari on the occupiers continues."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOOgwiYXMAYABQz?format=jpg&name=900x900 That's one happy sunflower daddy, going to feed a lot of baby sunflowers this spring |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:14:49 PM EDT
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Where is the video of Peter Zeihan giving a presentation to a group of us military personnel, I’ve looked and can’t find it. I watched it yesterday but I was so tired that I fell asleep. Thanks
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:15:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-receive-more-us-javelin-stinger-missiles-within-days-ukraine-official-2022-03-19/ This is good and all, but some S300s, ground launch cruise missiles, and some artillery might be nice. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:15:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: grambosc]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lisagrantbb: Where is the video of Peter Zeihan giving a presentation to a group of us military personnel, I’ve looked and can’t find it. I watched it yesterday but I was so tired that I fell asleep. Thanks @lisagrantbb Here it is Peter Zeihan | The Changing Character of War | Maneuver Center of Excellence  Peter Zeihan | The Changing Character of War | Maneuver Center of Excellence |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:17:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lisagrantbb: Where is the video of Peter Zeihan giving a presentation to a group of us military personnel, I’ve looked and can’t find it. I watched it yesterday but I was so tired that I fell asleep. Thanks  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:17:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat was a waste of my time. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:18:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: The Russians couldn’t find snow in the dead of winter. The only thing I trust them to know is where the vodka is. Incidentally this is also the only thing I trust Nancy Pelosi to know. Do they own US politicians? Did they have their hands in the cookie jars during the Cold War? Or did they not? Can’t have it both ways. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:19:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:19:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Read the last line of the article again.  If true, this reduces Russian logistics capacity by 60%. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:20:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: “Alex, I will take ‘Things that never happened’ for $1,000.” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Very true. Communists with the American government made sure that we only parachuted flour in when Hungarian fighters expected weapons. It's a history I have been vocal about for over 30 years. And about how we abandoned the Czechs also. Most Americans have no clue. And to think there are still American conservatives who like to condemn Sen. McCarthy (a real American hero who was betrayed) when he exposed over 80 communists in high levels of our government... “Alex, I will take ‘Things that never happened’ for $1,000.” Radio Free Europe implied that US would help at some point and encoraged the Hungarians to fight the Soviets. Eisenhower promised economic amd other aid which never showed up. You are correct that nothing was sent in. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:20:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: That was my thought too. An F14 at 1K feet appearing about the same speed relatively movement over horizon to me just means it's not really a hypersonic weapon. The flare looks just because of a low-light situation. Heck, we have missile targets that can easily do mach 4 that we use for anti-missile training that are A2A launched. (AQMs)...and they were developed in the 60s....! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Of course it was, didn’t you hear the boom? That was my thought too. An F14 at 1K feet appearing about the same speed relatively movement over horizon to me just means it's not really a hypersonic weapon. The flare looks just because of a low-light situation. Heck, we have missile targets that can easily do mach 4 that we use for anti-missile training that are A2A launched. (AQMs)...and they were developed in the 60s....! 1K feet? Try again.  F 14 Supersonic Fly by 
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:21:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177432/1647660805978_jpg-2319030.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: 
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:22:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Maine_11B_to_Nurse: Having lived in Maine and Alaska all my life-If it has a mud season, it has a bug season. I imagine Russian field sanitation/hygiene is going to rear it's ugly head once orcs are covered in festering insect bite wounds. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:24:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: Not right now. It will be written off as "Russian propaganda" and deleted from every online source. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By hondaciv: Originally Posted By Element94: Pulling out all the stops--
I was waiting for this. Although I didn't expect 9/11 stuff. I want him to spill the dirt on ALL the US political corruption. All of them. Expose them all. Not right now. It will be written off as "Russian propaganda" and deleted from every online source. And probably rightfully so. Putin's credibility given the current situation is worse than the hobo in the dumpster behind 7/11 |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:24:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt's a goddam example, jesus. And the video shows just how fast mach 2.X is over the horizon. That missile was not hypersonic is my point. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:26:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:27:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
OMG... 
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:27:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
It's always fun when you set the area around your thermobaric artillery on fire 
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:30:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SEAN10MM: Why did Billy Clintoon give them our M14's? |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:31:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: Pulling out all the stops--
It sounds a lot like desperation to me. And this is coming from the same guy who said he was definitely not going to invade ukraine. Same people who agreed to stop shelling, so they could shell civilians trying to escape. Russians are liars. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:31:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: It's a goddam example, jesus. And the video shows just how fast mach 2.X is over the horizon. That missile was not hypersonic is my point. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: It's a goddam example, jesus. And the video shows just how fast mach 2.X is over the horizon. That missile was not hypersonic is my point. Never said it was. I was addressing the comment that it wasn't even supersonic. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:31:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Wake up to what? You don't think Russian intelligence knows stuff? Of course they do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Originally Posted By Glock63: Originally Posted By hondaciv: I was waiting for this. Although I didn't expect 9/11 stuff. I want him to spill the dirt on ALL the US political corruption. All of them. Expose them all. Lol as if he has a fucking clue. Wake up. Wake up to what? You don't think Russian intelligence knows stuff? Of course they do. I'd bet they do. I'd like to hear some Hillary dirt too, while he's at it. But if that crazy fucker says something like "Russia funded it and set it up", then we need to launch RFN because he's obviously looking for WWIII at that point. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:33:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feetpiece: I imagine Russian field sanitation/hygiene is going to rear it's ugly head once orcs are covered in festering insect bite wounds. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feetpiece: Originally Posted By Maine_11B_to_Nurse: Having lived in Maine and Alaska all my life-If it has a mud season, it has a bug season. I imagine Russian field sanitation/hygiene is going to rear it's ugly head once orcs are covered in festering insect bite wounds. I am sure they are already ripe. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:34:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ED_P: That music is used in quite a few videos. It reminds me of 80's porn music that comes on after the token story line ends and they've been getting down to business for at least 5 minutes already. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:35:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: Pulling out all the stops--
To be fair they did have at least one guy on the inside leading up to it:  |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:36:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: American or Norinco? The Norinco's imported to Canada all had poly stocks on them IIRC |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:36:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: That is good now cut the rail coming from Russia I can't imagine it would be that hard to damage rails badly enough they don't work. Hell, just drop a bunch of big trees on the tracks. Or get a nice farmer to remove a bunch of dirt under the tracks. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:42:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
Holy crap, ARFCOM is prophecy. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:43:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:43:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I can't imagine it would be that hard to damage rails badly enough they don't work. Hell, just drop a bunch of big trees on the tracks. Or get a nice farmer to remove a bunch of dirt under the tracks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By m35ben: That is good now cut the rail coming from Russia I can't imagine it would be that hard to damage rails badly enough they don't work. Hell, just drop a bunch of big trees on the tracks. Or get a nice farmer to remove a bunch of dirt under the tracks. Those are very temporary diversions at best. You need to take out difficult to replace choke points. Think long, high level bridges that can't be replaced overnight, and carry the only rail lines into the defended areas. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:43:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Yup. Bad timing if he actually has some real info. Nobody will care or believe him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Not right now. It will be written off as "Russian propaganda" and deleted from every online source. Yup. Bad timing if he actually has some real info. Nobody will care or believe him. The boy who cried "Nazi!" and other short stories about the life and times of Putin.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:43:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
When in history has this happened before? And what were the people called who perpetrated this? |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:44:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-receive-more-us-javelin-stinger-missiles-within-days-ukraine-official-2022-03-19/ Awesome! Now get them 10,000 Switchblades, and a few dozen anti-ship missiles for Odesa via FedEx overnight. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:44:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rtintwo: Holy crap, ARFCOM is prophecy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rtintwo: Originally Posted By M-1975:
Holy crap, ARFCOM is prophecy. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:45:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By netstorm: If true, they are probably all dead or will get gulag treatment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By netstorm: Originally Posted By M-1975:
Political prisoners. Now do unto Putin in kind. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:46:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By netstorm: If true, they are probably all dead or will get gulag treatment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By netstorm: Originally Posted By M-1975:
During the last week several thousands Mariupol residents have been taken to Russia by force, he said. The occupiers illegally removed people from the Left Bank district and shelters in the building of the sports club, where more than a thousand people (mostly women and children) were hiding from the constant bombing. Fighting took place in these areas. To save the lives of Mariupol residents, the Armed Forces of Ukraine withdrew from crowded places, which was used by the aggressor. It is known that the captured Mariupol residents were taken to filtration camps, where the occupiers checked people's phones and documents. After the inspection, some Mariupol residents were redirected to remote cities in Russia, the fate of others remains unknown. "What the occupiers are doing today is familiar to the older generation, who saw the horrific events of World War II, when the Nazis forcibly captured people. It is hard to imagine that in the 21st century people will be forcibly deported to another country. Not only are Russian troops destroying our peaceful Mariupol, they have gone even further and started deporting Mariupol residents. All war crimes on the part of Russia should be punished the most severely, "Boychenko said. UPDATE( 2000): In a phone conversation with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan Russia |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:46:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: When in history has this happened before? And what were the people called who perpetrated this? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Originally Posted By M-1975:
When in history has this happened before? And what were the people called who perpetrated this? Russians? |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:47:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
The TOS systems need to be prime target number one for every TB-2, drone, and Switchblade right away before they get used on Kyiv. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: "Alex, I will take 'Things that never happened' for $1,000."  |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:48:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Why would Russia send a bunch of poorly trained troops into another country with no secure comms, no food and no gas? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Why would Russia attack cargo ships? Why would Russia send a bunch of poorly trained troops into another country with no secure comms, no food and no gas? Russia could have pleaded to the world to help destroy the "nazis", where in this case the leaders are Jewish |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:48:57 PM EDT
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 Production of body armors for the territorial defense forces in Poltava region |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:53:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: OMG... It is the prophecy! The tactical wheel barrow! |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:53:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rtintwo: Holy crap, ARFCOM is prophecy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rtintwo: Originally Posted By M-1975:
Holy crap, ARFCOM is prophecy. 
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:53:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNick? |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:54:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Never said it was. I was addressing the comment that it wasn't even supersonic. Wat? I said it probably wasn't HYPERsonic. I said nothing about anything being supersonic except that we've had mach 4 trainer targets since the 60s. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:54:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
My. God. The tactical wheelbarrow is real!
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:55:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Invaders have been deporting Mariupol residents to filtration camps in Russia, war has put Kyiv Oblast on the verge of flooding Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By netstorm: Originally Posted By M-1975:
During the last week several thousands Mariupol residents have been taken to Russia by force, he said. The occupiers illegally removed people from the Left Bank district and shelters in the building of the sports club, where more than a thousand people (mostly women and children) were hiding from the constant bombing. Fighting took place in these areas. To save the lives of Mariupol residents, the Armed Forces of Ukraine withdrew from crowded places, which was used by the aggressor. It is known that the captured Mariupol residents were taken to filtration camps, where the occupiers checked people's phones and documents. After the inspection, some Mariupol residents were redirected to remote cities in Russia, the fate of others remains unknown. "What the occupiers are doing today is familiar to the older generation, who saw the horrific events of World War II, when the Nazis forcibly captured people. It is hard to imagine that in the 21st century people will be forcibly deported to another country. Not only are Russian troops destroying our peaceful Mariupol, they have gone even further and started deporting Mariupol residents. All war crimes on the part of Russia should be punished the most severely, "Boychenko said. UPDATE( 2000): In a phone conversation with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan Russia All women and kids... Maybe this is the payment to the Chechens for joining the fight, lots of young slavic girls... Fucking pigs! |
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