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Posted: 3/20/2022 2:26:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wjwill: Supposedly, the Marines have these.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdGHthpNAMThe voiceover guy sounds like he has hemroids, but it's fun to watch.  Episode 44. The Uran-9 Russia’s First Combat Robot |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 2:30:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Sure is looking that way. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Originally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. Sure is looking that way. Decidely so. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 2:30:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: x248716x]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. we're also seeing small drone vs soldier. soldier loses. suicide drones vs soldiers in trenches, dugouts. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 2:32:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mancow]
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By netstorm: Originally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. https://i.ibb.co/wgRZKfQ/dog2.jpg I saw one of those variants live in action at the national tactical officer's conference in KC. Fucking creeeeepy as shit. A guy ran up and kicked it. It just staggered and kept going. He then kicked it over and the legs flipped 180 degrees and it ran off with the body upside down. I was like... well fuck me. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 2:39:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancow: I saw one of those variants live in action at the national tactical officer's conference in KC. Fucking creeeeepy as shit. A guy ran up and kicked it. It just staggered and kept going. He then kicked it over and the legs flipped 180 degrees and it ran off with the body upside down. I was like... well fuck me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By netstorm: Originally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. https://i.ibb.co/wgRZKfQ/dog2.jpg I saw one of those variants live in action at the national tactical officer's conference in KC. Fucking creeeeepy as shit. A guy ran up and kicked it. It just staggered and kept going. He then kicked it over and the legs flipped 180 degrees and it ran off with the body upside down. I was like... well fuck me. What round for robot killer dogs? |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 2:39:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancow: I saw one of those variants live in action at the national tactical officer's conference in KC. Fucking creeeeepy as shit. A guy ran up and kicked it. It just staggered and kept going. He then kicked it over and the legs flipped 180 degrees and it ran off with the body upside down. I was like... well fuck me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By netstorm: Originally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. https://i.ibb.co/wgRZKfQ/dog2.jpg I saw one of those variants live in action at the national tactical officer's conference in KC. Fucking creeeeepy as shit. A guy ran up and kicked it. It just staggered and kept going. He then kicked it over and the legs flipped 180 degrees and it ran off with the body upside down. I was like... well fuck me. It's all fun and games when Skynet is targeting the enemy... 
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Posted: 3/20/2022 2:46:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cure4commies556: I’m starting to think these guys are staged with the Mosins. To project the illusion that these separatists are scrappy poorly equipped underdogs fighting the big Nazi war machine. None of these guys have bandoliers to feed these things, but they all have new looking matching uniforms. Russia is never going to run out of AKs, but these clowns happen to have rifles from 1930. I’m calling propaganda. They sold off a lot of them. If ak imports hadn't been stopped we could have cleaned them out by now. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 2:50:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snackle: They sold off a lot of them. If ak imports hadn't been stopped we could have cleaned them out by now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snackle: Originally Posted By Cure4commies556: I’m starting to think these guys are staged with the Mosins. To project the illusion that these separatists are scrappy poorly equipped underdogs fighting the big Nazi war machine. None of these guys have bandoliers to feed these things, but they all have new looking matching uniforms. Russia is never going to run out of AKs, but these clowns happen to have rifles from 1930. I’m calling propaganda. They sold off a lot of them. If ak imports hadn't been stopped we could have cleaned them out by now. oligarch enrichment at the expense of russian military preparedness. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:03:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. Yes and no. The era of obsolescent tanks having any value is over. However the role that tanks have filled still needs to be filled - that is, highly mobile firepower. Infantry may now have competitive firepower, but infantry is massively less mobile. How do you retain mobility and firepower while recapturing the advantage in protection that tanks have enjoyed for much of 100 years? Some ideas for what the “tank” of tomorrow will need: 1)Active protection. This exists already in prototype form, but has yet to really become widely operational. You can guarantee there will be another “gun/armor race” between weapon systems and active protection systems. We will develop ways to spoof, overpower, or swamp active protection, and active protection systems with only a handful of shots will soon be obsolete. Therefore you will need a high number of available rounds in a compact format, which suggests a gun system over a missile system. 2)Drone anti-aircraft. More than any other conflict this has demonstrated the necessity for each unit to be its own air-defense vehicle. Really this should have already happened with APCs, which mount appropriate armament. 3)Carries its own infantry squad for screening/recon/additional firepower. I’ll speculate that the “tank of tomorrow” looks like a big APC, with modest armor and a medium-caliber (40-57mm) main gun which is actually triple-purpose. It’s the classic “main gun”, and also the active protection system, and also the anti-aircraft/anti-drone system. Mount it in a highly agile unmanned turret and back it up with a small VLS of missiles for longer-ranged SAM use or non-line-of-sight use. The physical armor is moderate to stop fragments of weapons that the active system disrupts. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:06:36 AM EDT
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That’s just the IFV of the future. There’s literally a program of record to buy that.
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:08:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Yes and no. The era of obsolescent tanks having any value is over. However the role that tanks have filled still needs to be filled - that is, highly mobile firepower. Infantry may now have competitive firepower, but infantry is massively less mobile. How do you retain mobility and firepower while recapturing the advantage in protection that tanks have enjoyed for much of 100 years? Some ideas for what the “tank” of tomorrow will need: 1)Active protection. This exists already in prototype form, but has yet to really become widely operational. You can guarantee there will be another “gun/armor race” between weapon systems and active protection systems. We will develop ways to spoof, overpower, or swamp active protection, and active protection systems with only a handful of shots will soon be obsolete. Therefore you will need a high number of available rounds in a compact format, which suggests a gun system over a missile system. 2)Drone anti-aircraft. More than any other conflict this has demonstrated the necessity for each unit to be its own air-defense vehicle. Really this should have already happened with APCs, which mount appropriate armament. 3)Carries its own infantry squad for screening/recon/additional firepower. I’ll speculate that the “tank of tomorrow” looks like a big APC, with modest armor and a medium-caliber (40-57mm) main gun which is actually triple-purpose. It’s the classic “main gun”, and also the active protection system, and also the anti-aircraft/anti-drone system. Mount it in a highly agile unmanned turret and back it up with a small VLS of missiles for longer-ranged SAM use or non-line-of-sight use. The physical armor is moderate to stop fragments of weapons that the active system disrupts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. Yes and no. The era of obsolescent tanks having any value is over. However the role that tanks have filled still needs to be filled - that is, highly mobile firepower. Infantry may now have competitive firepower, but infantry is massively less mobile. How do you retain mobility and firepower while recapturing the advantage in protection that tanks have enjoyed for much of 100 years? Some ideas for what the “tank” of tomorrow will need: 1)Active protection. This exists already in prototype form, but has yet to really become widely operational. You can guarantee there will be another “gun/armor race” between weapon systems and active protection systems. We will develop ways to spoof, overpower, or swamp active protection, and active protection systems with only a handful of shots will soon be obsolete. Therefore you will need a high number of available rounds in a compact format, which suggests a gun system over a missile system. 2)Drone anti-aircraft. More than any other conflict this has demonstrated the necessity for each unit to be its own air-defense vehicle. Really this should have already happened with APCs, which mount appropriate armament. 3)Carries its own infantry squad for screening/recon/additional firepower. I’ll speculate that the “tank of tomorrow” looks like a big APC, with modest armor and a medium-caliber (40-57mm) main gun which is actually triple-purpose. It’s the classic “main gun”, and also the active protection system, and also the anti-aircraft/anti-drone system. Mount it in a highly agile unmanned turret and back it up with a small VLS of missiles for longer-ranged SAM use or non-line-of-sight use. The physical armor is moderate to stop fragments of weapons that the active system disrupts.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:12:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: rpoL98]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: That’s just the IFV of the future. There’s literally a program of record to buy that. if US-built, it'll be gold-plated and cost $10 million*, highly mobile armored vehicle with jet-fighter electronics. I'd guess Israel, and Turkey, will come out minimum-requirement affordable version. * ETA: probably a lot more than that, half a jet fighter whatever that is. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:19:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rpoL98: if US-built, it'll be gold-plated and cost $10 million, highly mobile armored vehicle with jet-fighter electronics. I'd guess Israel, and Turkey, will come out minimum-requirement affordable version. Israel uses an absurd APC. Turkey has an odd mix of stuff. I wouldn’t point at them. I doubt the US version will have much more than other nations have, but we will pay more than many, because reasons. FCS was supposed to make stuff much more lightweight but it’s not there yet. Kinetic projectiles would still fuck them up as would IEDs. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:20:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: That’s just the IFV of the future. There’s literally a program of record to buy that. Not really. The new APCs are just the continuation of the classic gun/armor race with some other fancy tech. The guns/turrets are not specced to be highly capable anti-air and they have no capability to function as an active protection system. They will have a small active protection system which will be useful but soon obsolete. Basically they are just the apex APCs in the same mold that we have seen since the BMP-1. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:23:07 AM EDT
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Read this thread for why even younger Russians with what should be the world of information at their fingertips have a very different grasp on things.
Americans always assume the rest of the world understands the same “facts” they do but it isn’t so. There is this assumption that Russians also believe the US won WWII and Russia was a junior partner and that could not be farther from the truth. To give an example of what they learn regarding the US and WWII,this is what a university educated Russian I know thought about the war in the Pacific: Japan bombed Pearl Harbor,the US then retaliated by dropping 2 nuclear bombs and killing millions.
Russians are not taught about the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact,are not told of Katyn,are ignorant of what Soviets did to and on occupied and stolen land… |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:24:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: What round for robot killer dogs? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By netstorm: Originally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. https://i.ibb.co/wgRZKfQ/dog2.jpg I saw one of those variants live in action at the national tactical officer's conference in KC. Fucking creeeeepy as shit. A guy ran up and kicked it. It just staggered and kept going. He then kicked it over and the legs flipped 180 degrees and it ran off with the body upside down. I was like... well fuck me. What round for robot killer dogs? All of them. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:33:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: What round for robot killer dogs? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By netstorm: Originally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. https://i.ibb.co/wgRZKfQ/dog2.jpg I saw one of those variants live in action at the national tactical officer's conference in KC. Fucking creeeeepy as shit. A guy ran up and kicked it. It just staggered and kept going. He then kicked it over and the legs flipped 180 degrees and it ran off with the body upside down. I was like... well fuck me. What round for robot killer dogs?  |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:33:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Not really. The new APCs are just the continuation of the classic gun/armor race with some other fancy tech. The guns/turrets are not specced to be highly capable anti-air and they have no capability to function as an active protection system. They will have a small active protection system which will be useful but soon obsolete. Basically they are just the apex APCs in the same mold that we have seen since the BMP-1. The gun for the Bradley replacement will be able to elevate as high as a SPAAG, will have the ability to engage aircraft optically using airburst fusing. Whether they’ll develop a way to use radar with it or operate multiples as part of an air defense network, I don’t know. To what extent they’ll use the gun in an automatic protection system I don’t know but the technology exists to use it against missiles automatically, or to automatically slew to and even engage threats. I’d caution against trying to make one vehicle all things though. Most importantly once active protection systems mature, CKEM will have to be completed and fielded and other than that it’ll take a tank to kill a tank. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 3:35:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: What round for robot killer dogs? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By netstorm: Originally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. https://i.ibb.co/wgRZKfQ/dog2.jpg I saw one of those variants live in action at the national tactical officer's conference in KC. Fucking creeeeepy as shit. A guy ran up and kicked it. It just staggered and kept going. He then kicked it over and the legs flipped 180 degrees and it ran off with the body upside down. I was like... well fuck me. What round for robot killer dogs? my guess? 50BMG (anti-materiel round) or 40mm Mk19 |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 4:02:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Armor only works when it is supported by infantry ;) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. Armor only works when it is supported by infantry ;) Russian infantry riding their tanks = more well done russians  PERFECT. I AM ALL FOR IT  |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 4:09:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: my guess? 50BMG (anti-materiel round) or 40mm Mk19 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: Originally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By netstorm: Originally Posted By sq40: Is it just me, or does it seem the era of the tank and plane is coming to an end, with the proliferation of portable missiles and small drones? The rifleman is becoming more and more essential too. Shore to ship weapons need to evolve, but it seems like war is getting more mano a mano again, the individual to platoon are more deadly than ever. https://i.ibb.co/wgRZKfQ/dog2.jpg I saw one of those variants live in action at the national tactical officer's conference in KC. Fucking creeeeepy as shit. A guy ran up and kicked it. It just staggered and kept going. He then kicked it over and the legs flipped 180 degrees and it ran off with the body upside down. I was like... well fuck me. What round for robot killer dogs? my guess? 50BMG (anti-materiel round) or 40mm Mk19 I'll go with the plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, but thats just me... You guys can pew pew lead at autonomous hunter killer robots that walk like a metallic dog that got in my liquor cabinet. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 4:16:28 AM EDT
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A rare flash of honesty, and a signal that China is not convinced by a humanitarian potus
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Posted: 3/20/2022 4:20:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: I think Hungarians remember 1956 perfectly well. No one came to help Hungary shake off the Russian invasion. You may be exactly correct. Even ff Hungary decidedly helped NATO to block/defeat Russia in Ukraine, Hungary will still be viewed as a pariah by the EU due to their stance on immigration and other anti-wokeness. Meanwhile Russia will still be in the neighborhood and has a long memory. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 4:29:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: I'll go with the plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, but thats just me... You guys can pew pew lead at autonomous hunter killer robots that walk like a metallic dog that got in my liquor cabinet. If those fancy robokiller dogs are going to survive even small arms fire and function, they're going to need a lot more armor, I would think. Haven't seen any tests where it was up against farmer John Elmer from his stone barn with his daddy's .30-30 or the Garand he got after the war with a few clips of M2AP. The humanoid ones too. They look badass up against three dudes tripping, shoving, and kicking them. Let's see what happens if someone puts a clip or two of AP out of a Garand in it from 75 yards away. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 4:34:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: nickmemphis]
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Energy weapons in atmosphere are kind of diminishing return things, especially on a battle field filled with smoke particulates and dust in the air. All the energy is basically wasted heating up shit in the air, which makes the air even less conducive to throughput, and only a little tiny bit get to the target. They'll be great for space infantry in a vacuum.
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Posted: 3/20/2022 4:34:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TheLurker]
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Some auto cannon goodness. Eta, video is of Ukr apc messing up Russian vehicles with 30mm. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 4:46:54 AM EDT
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Ukrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian campaign of this war. That campaign aimed to conduct airborne and mechanized operations to seize Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odesa, and other major Ukrainian cities to force a change of government in Ukraine. That campaign has culminated. Russian forces continue to make limited advances in some parts of the theater but are very unlikely to be able to seize their objectives in this way. The doctrinally sound Russian response to this situation would be to end this campaign, accept a possibly lengthy operational pause, develop the plan for a new campaign, build up resources for that new campaign, and launch it when the resources and other conditions are ready. The Russian military has not yet adopted this approach. It is instead continuing to feed small collections of reinforcements into an ongoing effort to keep the current campaign alive. We assess that that effort will fail.
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Posted: 3/20/2022 4:50:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: The gun for the Bradley replacement will be able to elevate as high as a SPAAG, will have the ability to engage aircraft optically using airburst fusing. Whether they’ll develop a way to use radar with it or operate multiples as part of an air defense network, I don’t know. To what extent they’ll use the gun in an automatic protection system I don’t know but the technology exists to use it against missiles automatically, or to automatically slew to and even engage threats. I’d caution against trying to make one vehicle all things though. Most importantly once active protection systems mature, CKEM will have to be completed and fielded and other than that it’ll take a tank to kill a tank. The Lynx turret is limited to 45 degree elevation, which is insufficient for real AAA use. I was unable to find a published figure for the other competitor. Yes, they will have some AAA capability, but then so does anything with an autocannon. Neither has radar. Neither has a turret fast enough to be used for active protection. Again they are just better APCs in the current mold. What you would need is something like a 40mm CIWS on treads with some other stuff thrown in. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 4:55:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Some auto cannon goodness. Damn. Are those friendly infantry near the target?!! That gunner needs some decaf. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 5:01:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TheLurker]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Damn. Are those friendly infantry near the target?!! That gunner needs some decaf. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Some auto cannon goodness. Damn. Are those friendly infantry near the target?!! That gunner needs some decaf. It looks like they are. Looks like one of them puts an rpg into the tank before the 30mm goes to work on it. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 5:06:16 AM EDT
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If there's one thing Americans are terrible at, by nature, is not trying to make any particular thing do everything. It's like everyone at DARPA and Anniston were all autistic Swiss Army foamers. And you wind up with this:
The Wenger Giant is the world's largest Swiss Army knife, packing 141 functions into 87 ( ) implements. At 9” wide and 32 ounces, this dang thing is so big that you could use it as a pretty nice anchor for your boat, if it didn't list at $2,100 (street price $1,300).
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Posted: 3/20/2022 5:06:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2022 5:07:18 AM EDT
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If there's one thing Americans are terrible at, by nature, is not trying to make any particular thing do everything. It's like everyone at DARPA and Anniston were all autistic Swiss Army foamers. And you wind up with this:
The Wenger Giant is the world's largest Swiss Army knife, packing 141 functions into 87 ( ) implements. At 9” wide and 32 ounces, this dang thing is so big that you could use it as a pretty nice anchor for your boat, if it didn't list at $2,100 (street price $1,300).
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Posted: 3/20/2022 5:11:18 AM EDT
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I don't know what's up with the double taps. Sorry.
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Posted: 3/20/2022 5:16:45 AM EDT
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There was a sleeper movie in the 80s with Chevy Chase and Gregory Hines called Deal Of The Century, where they were Arms dealers. They had this huge rifle they were selling to Bana repubs. With a built in bottle opener. That kind of thing. That's why the space shuttle was such a giant suck, everybody wanted it to do everything, and so it didn't do any one thing well, and it certainly wasn't cheaper.
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Posted: 3/20/2022 5:26:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MattyCR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: If those fancy robokiller dogs are going to survive even small arms fire and function, they're going to need a lot more armor, I would think. Haven't seen any tests where it was up against farmer John Elmer from his stone barn with his daddy's .30-30 or the Garand he got after the war with a few clips of M2AP. The humanoid ones too. They look badass up against three dudes tripping, shoving, and kicking them. Let's see what happens if someone puts a clip or two of AP out of a Garand in it from 75 yards away. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By MattyCR: I'll go with the plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, but thats just me... You guys can pew pew lead at autonomous hunter killer robots that walk like a metallic dog that got in my liquor cabinet. If those fancy robokiller dogs are going to survive even small arms fire and function, they're going to need a lot more armor, I would think. Haven't seen any tests where it was up against farmer John Elmer from his stone barn with his daddy's .30-30 or the Garand he got after the war with a few clips of M2AP. The humanoid ones too. They look badass up against three dudes tripping, shoving, and kicking them. Let's see what happens if someone puts a clip or two of AP out of a Garand in it from 75 yards away. This is all you need 
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Posted: 3/20/2022 5:27:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: There was a sleeper movie in the 80s with Chevy Chase and Gregory Hines called Deal Of The Century, where they were Arms dealers. They had this huge rifle they were selling to Bana repubs. With a built in bottle opener. That kind of thing. That's why the space shuttle was such a giant suck, everybody wanted it to do everything, and so it didn't do any one thing well, and it certainly wasn't cheaper. Everything you post in this thread, hardly has anything to do with this thread. You sound autistic and it's damn annoying without your double and triple taps. Give it a rest already. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 5:49:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ydididothis: Everything you post in this thread, hardly has anything to do with this thread. You sound autistic and it's damn annoying without your double and triple taps. Give it a rest already. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ydididothis: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: There was a sleeper movie in the 80s with Chevy Chase and Gregory Hines called Deal Of The Century, where they were Arms dealers. They had this huge rifle they were selling to Bana repubs. With a built in bottle opener. That kind of thing. That's why the space shuttle was such a giant suck, everybody wanted it to do everything, and so it didn't do any one thing well, and it certainly wasn't cheaper. Everything you post in this thread, hardly has anything to do with this thread. You sound autistic and it's damn annoying without your double and triple taps. Give it a rest already. I have assburgers, probably. I try to restrain myself, like right now, when nothing is happening. Some people like it, but many are offended.  If you want to ignore me, I won't take it personally. I completely understand. I really do. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:01:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2A373]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
An interesting thread. Any truck fleet/mil transport guys have a view what he says? This was discussed a couple weeks ago here. Take a closer look at the Pantsir and explain how poor maintenance caused the following: -Front tire to be on fire -Second wheel showing suspension damage based of how the wheel is setting at an odd angle -Third tire to be flat -Forth wheel to be completely ripped off of the hub and the tire is severely damaged That small amount of mud and poor mx did not disable that Pantsir, it was hit by some type of weapon. The fact he is using a vehicle with obvious battle damage destroys his thesis. "This is a thread that will explain the implied poor Russian Army truck maintenance practices based on this photo of a Pantsir-S1 wheeled gun-missile system's right rear pair of tires below & the operational implications during the Ukrainian mud season."  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:04:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Damn. Are those friendly infantry near the target?!! That gunner needs some decaf. Yeah, but he knew enough to shoot lower on the hull to get penetration on that tank, and it worked. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:06:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:06:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:13:45 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: The Lynx turret is limited to 45 degree elevation, which is insufficient for real AAA use. I was unable to find a published figure for the other competitor. Yes, they will have some AAA capability, but then so does anything with an autocannon. Neither has radar. Neither has a turret fast enough to be used for active protection. Again they are just better APCs in the current mold. What you would need is something like a 40mm CIWS on treads with some other stuff thrown in. The Griffin III can elevate the gun to 85 degrees. There have been SPAAGs built without radar before, intentionally I mean, because they desired a passive system. So I wouldn’t put too much stock in that. I’m any case I expect a buying spree for new SHORAD systems for CUAS. I’m unsure how fast the turrets slew but I’m sure it can be arranged to be fast enough. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:14:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:17:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: This was discussed a couple weeks ago here. Take a closer look at the Pantsir and explain how poor maintenance caused the following: -Front tire to be on fire -Second wheel showing suspension damage based of how the wheel is setting at an odd angle -Third tire to be flat -Forth wheel to be completely ripped off of the hub and the tire is severely damaged That small amount of mud and poor mx did not disable that Pantsir, it was hit by some type of weapon. The fact he is using a vehicle with obvious battle damage destroys his thesis. "This is a thread that will explain the implied poor Russian Army truck maintenance practices based on this photo of a Pantsir-S1 wheeled gun-missile system's right rear pair of tires below & the operational implications during the Ukrainian mud season." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/FM4FVTOX0AQ3GUu_jpg-2319799.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
An interesting thread. Any truck fleet/mil transport guys have a view what he says? This was discussed a couple weeks ago here. Take a closer look at the Pantsir and explain how poor maintenance caused the following: -Front tire to be on fire -Second wheel showing suspension damage based of how the wheel is setting at an odd angle -Third tire to be flat -Forth wheel to be completely ripped off of the hub and the tire is severely damaged That small amount of mud and poor mx did not disable that Pantsir, it was hit by some type of weapon. The fact he is using a vehicle with obvious battle damage destroys his thesis. "This is a thread that will explain the implied poor Russian Army truck maintenance practices based on this photo of a Pantsir-S1 wheeled gun-missile system's right rear pair of tires below & the operational implications during the Ukrainian mud season." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/FM4FVTOX0AQ3GUu_jpg-2319799.JPG This is a different thread, on a related topic. It's worth a read of the new thread. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:17:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: I have assburgers, probably. I try to restrain myself, like right now, when nothing is happening. Some people like it, but many are offended. If you want to ignore me, I won't take it personally. I completely understand. I really do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By ydididothis: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: There was a sleeper movie in the 80s with Chevy Chase and Gregory Hines called Deal Of The Century, where they were Arms dealers. They had this huge rifle they were selling to Bana repubs. With a built in bottle opener. That kind of thing. That's why the space shuttle was such a giant suck, everybody wanted it to do everything, and so it didn't do any one thing well, and it certainly wasn't cheaper. Everything you post in this thread, hardly has anything to do with this thread. You sound autistic and it's damn annoying without your double and triple taps. Give it a rest already. I have assburgers, probably. I try to restrain myself, like right now, when nothing is happening. Some people like it, but many are offended. If you want to ignore me, I won't take it personally. I completely understand. I really do. So, here's a general rule of thumb for continued participation in this thread. If the reply is in relation to this area and has a general relation to the events thereof;  Feel free to post a post regarding it. If the reply is in relation to this area  It might be appropriate for a different thread. Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:19:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: Take a closer look at the Pantsir and explain how poor maintenance caused the following: -Front tire to be on fire -Second wheel showing suspension damage based of how the wheel is setting at an odd angle -Third tire to be flat -Forth wheel to be completely ripped off of the hub and the tire is severely damaged That small amount of mud and poor mx did not disable that Pantsir, it was hit by some type of weapon. The fact he is using a vehicle with obvious battle damage destroys his thesis. You do not know the sequence of events, so cannot state that the battle damage predated the operational attrition from the bad tires. The "expert's" hypothesis was that cheap tires and lack of maintenance caused the rear wheels to crack and separate and strand the vehicle when the central air pressure system was used to reduce air pressure, attempting to gain traction in the mud. Battle damage could have occurred afterwards, with Ukes treating the vehicle to an RPG or some cannon fire to render it permanently inop, or if it was still manned at the time they encountered it. As a counterpoint to your scenario, can you explain to me what battle damage sequence causes that type of separation on the fourth tire, if the vehicle was inop from battle damage to the front, already? |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:21:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: iggy1337]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv:
Ukraine forces seem to really love that Stunga-P system judgeing by the shit ton of vids. I wonder if they are holding the Javelis back for the defence of the key cities. Anhow it sucks being a Russian conscript and i wonder if we wil be seeing barrier troops  |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:23:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: You do not know the sequence of events, so cannot state that the battle damage predated the operational attrition from the bad tires. The "expert's" hypothesis was that cheap tires and lack of maintenance caused the rear wheels to crack and separate and strand the vehicle when the central air pressure system was used to reduce air pressure, attempting to gain traction in the mud. Battle damage could have occurred afterwards, with Ukes treating the vehicle to an RPG or some cannon fire to render it permanently inop, or if it was still manned at the time they encountered it. As a counterpoint to your scenario, can you explain to me what battle damage sequence causes that type of separation on the fourth tire, if the vehicle was inop from battle damage to the front, already? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By 2A373: Take a closer look at the Pantsir and explain how poor maintenance caused the following: -Front tire to be on fire -Second wheel showing suspension damage based of how the wheel is setting at an odd angle -Third tire to be flat -Forth wheel to be completely ripped off of the hub and the tire is severely damaged That small amount of mud and poor mx did not disable that Pantsir, it was hit by some type of weapon. The fact he is using a vehicle with obvious battle damage destroys his thesis. You do not know the sequence of events, so cannot state that the battle damage predated the operational attrition from the bad tires. The "expert's" hypothesis was that cheap tires and lack of maintenance caused the rear wheels to crack and separate and strand the vehicle when the central air pressure system was used to reduce air pressure, attempting to gain traction in the mud. Battle damage could have occurred afterwards, with Ukes treating the vehicle to an RPG or some cannon fire to render it permanently inop, or if it was still manned at the time they encountered it. As a counterpoint to your scenario, can you explain to me what battle damage sequence causes that type of separation on the fourth tire, if the vehicle was inop from battle damage to the front, already? Didn't we do this about 200 pages ago? |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 6:29:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Didn't we do this about 200 pages ago? In a 1200+ page thread, you can't expect everyone to be perfectly up on every single post - what was the consensus 200 pages ago? |
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