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Posted: 3/26/2022 8:57:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:00:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nightstalker: Brennan tells what it’s all about. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1818/C28540D6-2860-4E4A-AC15-E8EC9264E568_png-2327428.JPG It's russia. If not putin than as likely as not some other dictator who would have already hit the big red button. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:01:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroE: Not all alloys of magnesium are terribly flammable. WE-43C is used in airliner seat frames, and I have used it in a small cruise missile. It also has interesting (not burning) response to elevated temperature. In sure there are many magnesium alloys that don't burn when hit with incendiary rounds. Apparently, whoever designed the BMP-1 was having none of that, because they've been notorious as deathtraps since the Yom Kippur war. They're also said to be ridiculously uncomfortable when buttoned up. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:01:31 PM EDT
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 Ukraine War: How Ukraine is counterattacking against Russia |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:02:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: The Czech, Polish, and Slovakian PMs traveled to Kiev. Some stones on those guys. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24: Originally Posted By ISEEYOU2: And that was not a warzone like Ukraine is by no means. The Soviet Union (ruSSia) is attacking Ukraine. There were only terrorists in Afghanistan. Not quite the same thing is it ? Poland isn't a war zone. Afghanistan was. You think every juhadist in the country wouldn't have tried? Biden is safely in Poland where there is little worry. I would give Biden credit if he went to Ukraine, but it is really highly unlikely he would be targeted by Russia even if he did. You are wrong like in every post you have ever made here. Everyone knows you are a troll. Go away. The Czech, Polish, and Slovakian PMs traveled to Kiev. Some stones on those guys. The SS probably wont let the Potato do it. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:02:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: I agree with you, replied to same effect two posts up from yours. It's probably simple: ground is cold and wet, and they are often "taking a knee" or sitting in cover. Joe ain't stupid! Sheee-it.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By Senoj: Dumb question: I’m a lot of videos I’m seeing UKR soldiers wearing butt pads on the back of their LBE. Are those just foam pads for comfort when sitting? Never seen that before, it appears genius. Curious where that idea came from? I agree with you, replied to same effect two posts up from yours. It's probably simple: ground is cold and wet, and they are often "taking a knee" or sitting in cover. Joe ain't stupid! Sheee-it. A lot of us Turkey hunters wear a hanging butt pad off our vests. Makes sitting in the woods for hours much more comfortable.  
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:04:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: Russian imperialism, Russism, the ideology of Russian supremacy, Pan-Slavism, and glorification of the USSR must be eliminated completely or there will never be peace in that region. Russia has a shameful history of barbaric violence as the primary means to build an empire. Once they lose this war and they are crushed economically, the entire rotten Russist culture must be dismantled and erased just like Nazism was in Germany and Japanese Imperialism was in Japan. That's the honest truth...... ruSSia should be broken up into smaller states. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:04:23 PM EDT
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Oof. Foreign media on Bidens performance.
 Ukraine War: Joe Biden says Vladimir Putin 'cannot remain in power' |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:08:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOzv-SDVEAAMqz7?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOzv-SvVkAEVBl4?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOzv-X_VIAEx1L1?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOzv-WEUYAkICIr?format=jpg&name=large War is truly hell. Fuck all of this stupid shit - there is no hell hot or deep enough for the men that send kids like that to war for selfish gain. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:10:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Estonia gearing up. Putin is causing everyone to arm up. Boy did he miscalculate. About to put them LMT rifles to use hopefully. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:15:33 PM EDT
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I've watched several video by this group and they're pretty interesting, this one in particular:
 What do Russians think now? 1 month after the start. Watch the first 5 minutes and then wrap your head around the fact that in this society, no one - well, very few - actually can say what they think. Almost every single one of those kids knows better than to say anything controversial. Think about our society and where no one has any problems spouting off whatever they think. That should give you an idea that it's a little bit different when you're used to living under an authoritarian regime. You just keep your mouth shut. In countless other videos, you'll hear "I have no idea about any of that" or "I'm not a politician...". Sad... |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phocks: In sure there are many magnesium alloys that don't burn when hit with incendiary rounds. Apparently, whoever designed the BMP-1 was having none of that, because they've been notorious as deathtraps since the Yom Kippur war. They're also said to be ridiculously uncomfortable when buttoned up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phocks: Originally Posted By AeroE: Not all alloys of magnesium are terribly flammable. WE-43C is used in airliner seat frames, and I have used it in a small cruise missile. It also has interesting (not burning) response to elevated temperature. In sure there are many magnesium alloys that don't burn when hit with incendiary rounds. Apparently, whoever designed the BMP-1 was having none of that, because they've been notorious as deathtraps since the Yom Kippur war. They're also said to be ridiculously uncomfortable when buttoned up. The door material is not relevant if they're struck by a projectile intended to kill the vehicle. Amazingly, I found the video -  Inside and Out: BMP-2 Infantry Fighting Vehicle Tour |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:25:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: It's really hard. I want Ukraine to skullfuck the Russians and absolutely wipe them out to the man. But in the other hand those Russian boys are just so young! I have a son that age. How many of those boys were conscripted without any choice? I can see the terror on their faces - if you're a father it has to tug at you. They are just so goddamn young. War is truly hell. Fuck all of this stupid shit - there is no hell hot or deep enough for the men that send kids like that to war for selfish gain. That is not a popular view here but they really are children. Poorly educated, poor families and now caught in a war they want no part of. War really is a crime on everyone involved on the ground. If there was true justice Putin would be tied to a post and eaten by hungry dogs. He needs to suffer badly. The best thing that can happen is a Russian higher up will put one in his head and try to resolve this injustice. Unfortunately Putin has eliminated everyone that is not 100% loyal to him. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:32:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By carcrazysammy: That is not a popular view here but they really are children. Poorly educated, poor families and now caught in a war they want no part of. War really is a crime on everyone involved on the ground. If there was true justice Putin would be tied to a post and eaten by hungry dogs. He needs to suffer badly. The best thing that can happen is a Russian higher up will put one in his head and try to resolve this injustice. Unfortunately Putin has eliminated everyone that is not 100% loyal to him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By carcrazysammy: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: It's really hard. I want Ukraine to skullfuck the Russians and absolutely wipe them out to the man. But in the other hand those Russian boys are just so young! I have a son that age. How many of those boys were conscripted without any choice? I can see the terror on their faces - if you're a father it has to tug at you. They are just so goddamn young. War is truly hell. Fuck all of this stupid shit - there is no hell hot or deep enough for the men that send kids like that to war for selfish gain. That is not a popular view here but they really are children. Poorly educated, poor families and now caught in a war they want no part of. War really is a crime on everyone involved on the ground. If there was true justice Putin would be tied to a post and eaten by hungry dogs. He needs to suffer badly. The best thing that can happen is a Russian higher up will put one in his head and try to resolve this injustice. Unfortunately Putin has eliminated everyone that is not 100% loyal to him. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:33:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: I've watched several video by this group and they're pretty interesting, this one in particular:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9PgRHmnBGEWatch the first 5 minutes and then wrap your head around the fact that in this society, no one - well, very few - actually can say what they think. Almost every single one of those kids knows better than to say anything controversial. Think about our society and where no one has any problems spouting off whatever they think. That should give you an idea that it's a little bit different when you're used to living under an authoritarian regime. You just keep your mouth shut. In countless other videos, you'll hear "I have no idea about any of that" or "I'm not a politician...". Sad... "Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. They are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep. We want to accomplish three things: One, we want the Americans to withdraw conventional forces from Europe. Two, we want them to withdraw nuclear forces from Europe. Three, we want the Americans to stop proceeding with Strategic Defense Initiative." - Mikhail Gorbachev (1931- ) General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the last head of state of the USSR (1985-1991) Date: November 1987 Source: speech to the Soviet Politburo, November 1987 I read that quote on a radio show interview in 1990 when I was a guest to speak about Russia moving toward "democracy". Many listeners called in and made excuses for Gorbachev and accused me of being a warmonger who didnt want to accept that Russia was going to become "just like everyone else". One of the biggest lies America was fed was that Reagan defeated communism and that communism was dead. Yet, 32 years later and after what we have been witnessing, there are dozens of comments here on this thread by people who want to convince others that Putin (who praises communism for decades and even wants to bring back the city name Stalingrad) is no longer a communist. Amazing... |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:35:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: War is an utterly horrible thing and it is ok to realize the tragic nature of it for both sides. I want Ukraine to win and I want them to win handily. I want them to kill only the amount needed to complete that task. I would love it if they could win it without hurting one more person alas that is not how this works. I will mourn everyone lost after the war. Until then I cheer on the Ukrainians and hope this ends quickly. Well said. At this point I would be happy if it doesn't end with chemical weapons or nuclear fire. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:36:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nightstalker: Brennan tells what it’s all about. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1818/C28540D6-2860-4E4A-AC15-E8EC9264E568_png-2327428.JPG Fuck that guy  |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:36:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: BOOM!
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:40:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: It's really hard. I want Ukraine to skullfuck the Russians and absolutely wipe them out to the man. But in the other hand those Russian boys are just so young! I have a son that age. How many of those boys were conscripted without any choice? I can see the terror on their faces - if you're a father it has to tug at you. They are just so goddamn young. War is truly hell. Fuck all of this stupid shit - there is no hell hot or deep enough for the men that send kids like that to war for selfish gain. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:46:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By carcrazysammy: That is not a popular view here but they really are children. Poorly educated, poor families and now caught in a war they want no part of. War really is a crime on everyone involved on the ground. If there was true justice Putin would be tied to a post and eaten by hungry dogs. He needs to suffer badly. The best thing that can happen is a Russian higher up will put one in his head and try to resolve this injustice. Unfortunately Putin has eliminated everyone that is not 100% loyal to him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By carcrazysammy: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: It's really hard. I want Ukraine to skullfuck the Russians and absolutely wipe them out to the man. But in the other hand those Russian boys are just so young! I have a son that age. How many of those boys were conscripted without any choice? I can see the terror on their faces - if you're a father it has to tug at you. They are just so goddamn young. War is truly hell. Fuck all of this stupid shit - there is no hell hot or deep enough for the men that send kids like that to war for selfish gain. That is not a popular view here but they really are children. Poorly educated, poor families and now caught in a war they want no part of. War really is a crime on everyone involved on the ground. If there was true justice Putin would be tied to a post and eaten by hungry dogs. He needs to suffer badly. The best thing that can happen is a Russian higher up will put one in his head and try to resolve this injustice. Unfortunately Putin has eliminated everyone that is not 100% loyal to him. It’s possible to feel sympathy, compassion, and understanding for the enemy you are fighting. Great men do find a way to balance righteousness and viciousness. The nature of war is an insanity, it’s cruel, unfair, unforgiving, and filled with making terrible choices. Without peace being negotiated, the only other path to peace is ruthless violence to assure your people are victorious. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:50:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nightstalker: Brennan tells what it’s all about. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1818/C28540D6-2860-4E4A-AC15-E8EC9264E568_png-2327428.JPG Yep, Navalny is a globalist supported by Soros. That's the problem with replacing Putin - how do we get an anti-globalist for a replacement? Soros must be giggling with glee at his current prospects. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 9:55:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: A lot of us Turkey hunters wear a hanging butt pad off our vests. Makes sitting in the woods for hours much more comfortable. https://d1x9a8onyzyjg4.cloudfront.net/2b95-67574757-ALPS%20OutdoorZ_ME_SL_3.jpg?versionId=4we2QgchGbRtqCjWsflIF5ypFYqoDehL https://www.wideopenspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/turkeyhuntingvest3.jpg This. I freaking love mine. Also helps with surprise fire ant mounds at the base of a tree. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:00:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Oof. Foreign media on Bidens performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_18iqRI9YtMSide note: Those are some ugly ass firearms in that video. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:03:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: BOOM!
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:04:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:08:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Senoj: Dumb question: I'm a lot of videos I'm seeing UKR soldiers wearing butt pads on the back of their LBE. Are those just foam pads for comfort when sitting? Never seen that before, it appears genius. Curious where that idea came from? They got the idea from the 80s London punk scene. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:10:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:11:01 PM EDT
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BOOM. Overkill.
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:12:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Hopefully the Ukranians treated the POWs well so they'll go back and tell their boys, "yo, they gave me food, some hot tea, and a place to sleep. Surrendering is better than fighting and dying!" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By ludder093: Ukraine and Russia participate in first prisoners of war exchange Hopefully the Ukranians treated the POWs well so they'll go back and tell their boys, "yo, they gave me food, some hot tea, and a place to sleep. Surrendering is better than fighting and dying!" This needs to be remembered again, and again, and again. Keep security on them and try to follow the 5S rules, but otherwise be decent and let the results speak for themselves. More effective than any form of propaganda or abuse.  Babushka can bring tea while armed security remains in the room. All this chest beating talk is completely counter productive, counter to past historical experience, and counter to human nature. The Ukr's are hurting their own cause by showing these poor bastards piled into the back of a minivan. Our leadership needs to communicate to theirs and put a halt to that shit. If they are lacking resources to handle EPWs that needs to be worked out among NATO members to take that off of Ukraine's plate.  |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:18:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nightstalker: Brennan tells what it’s all about. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1818/C28540D6-2860-4E4A-AC15-E8EC9264E568_png-2327428.JPG Ahh, the good ol' regime change. A superb plan. Because none of the regime changes we've been involved in have led to a complete disaster. By all means, let's try that same time-tested approach with a nuclear power and see how it works out.  Anything that Brennan and his ilk support, I vehemently oppose. Not sure if everyone here is cheering for the right team, to be honest. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:18:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Oof. Foreign media on Bidens performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_18iqRI9YtMSomebody gave biden a pretty freakin good speech. Thought that part about saying that putin can't remain in power was way too ambiguous. But it would be better if the guy speaking didn't seem like he's 100 years old. I think biden is doing more or less acceptable for somebody who is confused as often as not. All he has to do is be the figure head and allow himself to be swept along with the current of the world.(and not say stupid shit) |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:19:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: This needs to be remembered again, and again, and again. Keep security on them and try to follow the 5S rules, but otherwise be decent and let the results speak for themselves. More effective than any form of propaganda or abuse. Babushka can bring tea while armed security remains in the room. All this chest beating talk is completely counter productive, counter to past historical experience, and counter to human nature. The Ukr's are hurting their own cause by showing these poor bastards piled into the back of a minivan. Our leadership needs to communicate to theirs and put a halt to that shit. If they are lacking resources to handle EPWs that needs to be worked out among NATO members to take that off of Ukraine's plate. I guarantee they threw gas on them and threw in a match after those photos. They stacked them like wood in that cement room. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:19:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cchurchi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: It's really hard. I want Ukraine to skullfuck the Russians and absolutely wipe them out to the man. But in the other hand those Russian boys are just so young! I have a son that age. How many of those boys were conscripted without any choice? I can see the terror on their faces - if you're a father it has to tug at you. They are just so goddamn young. War is truly hell. Fuck all of this stupid shit - there is no hell hot or deep enough for the men that send kids like that to war for selfish gain. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOzv-SDVEAAMqz7?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOzv-SvVkAEVBl4?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOzv-X_VIAEx1L1?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOzv-WEUYAkICIr?format=jpg&name=large War is truly hell. Fuck all of this stupid shit - there is no hell hot or deep enough for the men that send kids like that to war for selfish gain. Too bad their mothers never told them to not be rapists, murders, and invaders of other peoples homes. Now they're going to die in agony (hopefully). |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:24:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: Ahh, the good ol' regime change. A superb plan. Because none of the regime changes we've been involved in have led to a complete disaster. By all means, let's try that same time-tested approach with a nuclear power and see how it works out. Anything that Brennan and his ilk support, I vehemently oppose. Not sure if everyone here is cheering for the right team, to be honest. I think the russian government may have slammed the door closed again just before the people behind the iron curtain really had time to realize what life could be like if they were willing to fight for it. They have not yet really understood what it is that is worth dying for. Words like liberty and freedom. They were starting to get close. SLAM. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:25:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aeroworksxp: BOOM. Overkill.
So Russia is taking out SAMs while Ukraine is taking back real estate? Not sure that's how you win wars Or whatever |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:26:01 PM EDT
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Article from 2014 well worth reading.
https://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/behind-scenes-putins-court-private-habits-latter-day-dictator-260640.html |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:27:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:29:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: Ahh, the good ol' regime change. A superb plan. Because none of the regime changes we've been involved in have led to a complete disaster. By all means, let's try that same time-tested approach with a nuclear power and see how it works out. Anything that Brennan and his ilk support, I vehemently oppose. Not sure if everyone here is cheering for the right team, to be honest. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: Originally Posted By nightstalker: Brennan tells what it’s all about. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1818/C28540D6-2860-4E4A-AC15-E8EC9264E568_png-2327428.JPG Ahh, the good ol' regime change. A superb plan. Because none of the regime changes we've been involved in have led to a complete disaster. By all means, let's try that same time-tested approach with a nuclear power and see how it works out. Anything that Brennan and his ilk support, I vehemently oppose. Not sure if everyone here is cheering for the right team, to be honest. So there is a right team in this huh? Let me guess its Russia? Ok….. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:30:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: So Russia is taking out SAMs while Ukraine is taking back real estate? Not sure that's how you win wars Or whatever It is if you end up having no air defense |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:31:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I think the russian government may have slammed the door closed again just before the people behind the iron curtain really had time to realize what life could be like if they were willing to fight for it. They have not yet really understood what it is that is worth dying for. Words like liberty and freedom. They were starting to get close. SLAM. I'm old enough to remember when we spent 20 years replacing the taliban with the taliban. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: It is if you end up having no air defense I think the world is starting to get sick of Ukraine fighting valiantly only to be hit with missiles from another country when they can't defend and can't respond. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I think the russian government may have slammed the door closed again just before the people behind the iron curtain really had time to realize what life could be like if they were willing to fight for it. They have not yet really understood what it is that is worth dying for. Words like liberty and freedom. They were starting to get close. SLAM. When someone asks why gun rights are important, I point out the situation in Russia. The country went from at least some semblance of a constitutional democracy to a full-blown dictatorship in just a little over a decade. It can happen faster than people think if the people do not have the ability to resist. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:36:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
The 1st Guards Tank Army is (was) the most elite Russian Army. ETA: 2019 story about him Here's What You Need to Know: Tanks may differ across nations, but not the challenges of modern armored warfare. Which tank does Russia love most? Russia operates a variety of tanks, including the T-72, T-80 and T-90. In an interview with the military newspaper Red Star [English translation here], Major General Sergey Kisel, commander of the First Guards Tank Army, offered his assessment of the various tanks operated by his unit. Kisel should know. The First Guard Tanks Army is arguably the most famous Russian armored formation, spearheading the Red Army’s drive to Berlin in 1945. Disbanded in 1998, it was reactivated in 2016 in western Russia, where it would in the forefront of a conflict with NATO. The workhorse of the First Guards Tank Army is the T-72B3, which Kisel described as “a reliable tank.” An upgraded version of the venerable Cold War T-72, the fifty-ton T-72B3 has better armor, thermal imaging sensors and improved fire control. “Our main battle tank, the T-72B3, possesses sufficient specifications to detect and destroy any enemy on the battlefield,” said Kisel. “Their electronics make it possible significantly to enhance the accuracy of hitting targets.” “It differs from foreign models in that it is far smaller - which makes it less vulnerable,” he added. “At the same time, it has a faster rate of fire and possesses good marching capabilities.” In contrast, the forty-six-ton T-80 is the racehorse built for mobility. As with the U.S. M-1 Abrams, the gas-turbine engine on the T-80 has been panned for being a fuel guzzler. But the T-80BV and T-80U “have gotten a good name for themselves,” says Kisel, who notes that the T-80 was originally developed as a breakthrough tank and can reach a speed of 90 kilometers per hour [56 miles per hour].” “The armament system on the T-80BV is the same as on the T-72B3 and the T-90,” he adds. “A special feature of the T-80BV is that this tank is capable of operating at low temperatures. Its gas turbine engine, whose design does not provide for a cooling liquid, is undemanding in frosts. The T-80BV and the T-80U are distinguished by unique marching specifications and are capable of covering large distances in a short space of time. Kisel did not have as much to say about the T-90, other than that the 1st Guards Tank Army has “subunits with T-90 tanks that differ fundamentally from other vehicles in terms of the degree of protection for the crew, the long firing range, and more powerful engine.” Essentially a heavily modernized T-72, the fifty-one-ton T-90 is equipped with the Shtora defensive countermeasures system and explosive reactive armor to deflect anti-tank weapons. Its 125-millimeter 2A46M smoothbore cannon can fire both conventional shells and AT-11 Sniper anti-tank guided missiles. What’s also interesting are Kisel’s observations on tank warfare. Tanks may differ across nations, but not the challenges of modern armored warfare. When asked by Red Star about the impact of technologies such as drones, robot vehicles and computerized systems, Kisel’s observation could have been uttered by an American or Israeli commander. “The introduction of increasingly complex technical systems requires constant raising of the servicemen’s level of knowledge and combat training. Thus, a tankman is obliged to have thorough knowledge of hardware, ballistics, and the special features of modern combined-arms combat, which has become exponentially more complex in recent decades. Today demands are made of a tank commander that at one time were made of commanders of large subunits.” |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:42:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Great thread and a topic just getting covered about Izyum and OSINT satellite imagery just coming out showing Russian positions and movements:
I hate seeing Russian units with the freedom of movement to just cruise down the roads unopposed. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:52:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: So there is a right team in this huh? Let me guess its Russia? Ok….. I don't want to see Ukraine get brutalized any more than you do, but I believe that a Russian loss (especially with NATO involvement) would have far worse consequences for the rest of the world than Ukraine being swallowed up by Russia. I don't see Russia leaving quietly. Look no further than Medvedev's recent statements about the use of nuclear weapons. Could be a bluff, but are we prepared to call it? To me that's an unacceptable risk over Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:56:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: I don't want to see Ukraine get brutalized any more than you do, but I believe that a Russian loss (especially with NATO involvement) would have far worse consequences for the rest of the world than Ukraine being swallowed up by Russia. I don't see Russia leaving quietly. Look no further than Medvedev's recent statements about the use of nuclear weapons. Could be a bluff, but are we prepared to call it? To me that's an unacceptable risk over Ukraine. we are already calling it |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:57:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: I don't want to see Ukraine get brutalized any more than you do, but I believe that a Russian loss (especially with NATO involvement) would have far worse consequences for the rest of the world than Ukraine being swallowed up by Russia. I don't see Russia leaving quietly. Look no further than Medvedev's recent statements about the use of nuclear weapons. Could be a bluff, but are we prepared to call it? To me that's an unacceptable risk over Ukraine. Are you promising peace for our time if we allow it? |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:59:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: I don't want to see Ukraine get brutalized any more than you do, but I believe that a Russian loss (especially with NATO involvement) would have far worse consequences for the rest of the world than Ukraine being swallowed up by Russia. I don't see Russia leaving quietly. Look no further than Medvedev's recent statements about the use of nuclear weapons. Could be a bluff, but are we prepared to call it? To me that's an unacceptable risk over Ukraine. What if NOT calling the bluff is what escalates the risk of nuclear war even higher? In your mind, appeasement will guarantee a more positive outcome; what if it's the reverse? |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: I don't want to see Ukraine get brutalized any more than you do, but I believe that a Russian loss (especially with NATO involvement) would have far worse consequences for the rest of the world than Ukraine being swallowed up by Russia. I don't see Russia leaving quietly. Look no further than Medvedev's recent statements about the use of nuclear weapons. Could be a bluff, but are we prepared to call it? To me that's an unacceptable risk over Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: Originally Posted By kncook: So there is a right team in this huh? Let me guess its Russia? Ok.. I don't want to see Ukraine get brutalized any more than you do, but I believe that a Russian loss (especially with NATO involvement) would have far worse consequences for the rest of the world than Ukraine being swallowed up by Russia. I don't see Russia leaving quietly. Look no further than Medvedev's recent statements about the use of nuclear weapons. Could be a bluff, but are we prepared to call it? To me that's an unacceptable risk over Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 11:01:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: I don't want to see Ukraine get brutalized any more than you do, but I believe that a Russian loss (especially with NATO involvement) would have far worse consequences for the rest of the world than Ukraine being swallowed up by Russia. I don't see Russia leaving quietly. Look no further than Medvedev's recent statements about the use of nuclear weapons. Could be a bluff, but are we prepared to call it? To me that's an unacceptable risk over Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: Originally Posted By kncook: So there is a right team in this huh? Let me guess its Russia? Ok….. I don't want to see Ukraine get brutalized any more than you do, but I believe that a Russian loss (especially with NATO involvement) would have far worse consequences for the rest of the world than Ukraine being swallowed up by Russia. I don't see Russia leaving quietly. Look no further than Medvedev's recent statements about the use of nuclear weapons. Could be a bluff, but are we prepared to call it? To me that's an unacceptable risk over Ukraine. Got to call it at some point. Especially when they literily said “you’re next” to Poland. I 100% believe Poland would attack Russia if Ukraine collapsed to Russia rule. |
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