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Posted: 3/27/2022 5:39:48 AM EDT
[#1]
Based on their armbands they are Ukrainian separatists - white armbands (AKA) traitors to their own country. What is the penalty for treason? What should it be if you are killing your own civilian countrymen?
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Posted: 3/27/2022 5:43:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Freiheit8472]
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This was just posted to Ukrainian telegram. This was made right after the knee caping vid. So this may lend credence to it being real?
ETA: Haven’t seen the first video pop up on Ukrainian group yet. “Another crawled and ran to captivity. Our subdivisions are actively replenishing the exchange fund. 🇺🇦 YURIY MISYAGIN” Telegram  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 5:44:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: — Metabiota Poso\uD83E\uDDEC (@JackPosobiec) March 26, 2022 LOL |
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JPN
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Posted: 3/27/2022 5:56:07 AM EDT
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Russian drones are wreaking havoc, I've seen so many new videos posted today.
Telegram Link - Be warned its pro-russina. The hidden position of the 203 mm self-propelled artillery system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was discovered by UAV operators, after which high-precision missile weapons were struck at the indicated coordinates. As a result of an accurate hit, the self-propelled artillery mount and the portable ammunition for it were destroyed. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 5:59:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Southsideshooter: Russia POW's only slow you down, slice them and let them bleed out. Save your ammo and move on with the battle. After what they have done to civilians, fuck them, kill them and let them die slowly. No fucks given! Lol Thank God the "tough guys" aren't in charge. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 6:04:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Fuck Ukraine? I wonder if you'd be so forgiving after getting to see your grandma's and grandpa's faces turned into red paste. Click To View Spoiler How does that make you feel Mr. Active Duty Soldier? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. Fuck Ukraine? I wonder if you'd be so forgiving after getting to see your grandma's and grandpa's faces turned into red paste. Click To View Spoiler How does that make you feel Mr. Active Duty Soldier? The excuses made 500 pages ago about why this old couple were lit up were absolutely pathetic. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 6:12:19 AM EDT
[#7]
I'm withholding judgment on the POW video until info comes out as per my SOP with any domestic video used to spark outrage. The only source I see on my Twit feed is pro-Russian, which raises questions.
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Posted: 3/27/2022 6:32:55 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Well, that was a bit awkward  He just be the Russian joe biden? Stand up, Chuck! Stand up, Chuck! Oh god love ya, everyone stand up for Chuck 
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Posted: 3/27/2022 6:48:52 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kokodude: Putin's real weapons aren't nuclear. He has the dirt on many Western political and business leaders. I'm sure many of them worked directly with his regime at one point or another. Money has changed hands, favors were done, secrets were kept. If peace happens it will be negotiated in a backroom by players that we'll never know existed. There's a world that lives outside of our perceived reality. This is what Putin is threatening to expose. The F***ed up press want report it or push the issue. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2022 6:55:06 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: I'm withholding judgment on the POW video until info comes out as per my SOP with any domestic video used to spark outrage. The only source I see on my Twit feed is pro-Russian, which raises questions. More likely to be Russia propaganda. Would not doubt for a second they would round up a few deserters and shoot them. I have my doubts ukr would do this and then release multiple vids. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2022 7:08:36 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kokodude: Putin's real weapons aren't nuclear. He has the dirt on many Western political and business leaders. I'm sure many of them worked directly with his regime at one point or another. Money has changed hands, favors were done, secrets were kept. If peace happens it will be negotiated in a backroom by players that we'll never know existed. There's a world that lives outside of our perceived reality. This is what Putin is threatening to expose. Maybe.... If there was ever a time that the secrets of the rich and powerful were exposed, I'm guessing it would have been a couple weeks ago. Seriously, what's he waiting for? |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 7:13:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NHTriumph: Maybe.... If there was ever a time that the secrets of the rich and powerful were exposed, I'm guessing it would have been a couple weeks ago. Seriously, what's he waiting for? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NHTriumph: Originally Posted By Kokodude: Putin's real weapons aren't nuclear. He has the dirt on many Western political and business leaders. I'm sure many of them worked directly with his regime at one point or another. Money has changed hands, favors were done, secrets were kept. If peace happens it will be negotiated in a backroom by players that we'll never know existed. There's a world that lives outside of our perceived reality. This is what Putin is threatening to expose. Maybe.... If there was ever a time that the secrets of the rich and powerful were exposed, I'm guessing it would have been a couple weeks ago. Seriously, what's he waiting for? Let’s not get all Q-tarded. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 7:16:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marcus5819: The F***ed up press want report it or push the issue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marcus5819: Originally Posted By Kokodude: Putin's real weapons aren't nuclear. He has the dirt on many Western political and business leaders. I'm sure many of them worked directly with his regime at one point or another. Money has changed hands, favors were done, secrets were kept. If peace happens it will be negotiated in a backroom by players that we'll never know existed. There's a world that lives outside of our perceived reality. This is what Putin is threatening to expose. The F***ed up press want report it or push the issue. Conspiracy shit done by people we don't even know exist...well...except for a few GD posters lmao |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2022 7:30:11 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Let’s not get all Q-tarded. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By NHTriumph: Originally Posted By Kokodude: Putin's real weapons aren't nuclear. He has the dirt on many Western political and business leaders. I'm sure many of them worked directly with his regime at one point or another. Money has changed hands, favors were done, secrets were kept. If peace happens it will be negotiated in a backroom by players that we'll never know existed. There's a world that lives outside of our perceived reality. This is what Putin is threatening to expose. Maybe.... If there was ever a time that the secrets of the rich and powerful were exposed, I'm guessing it would have been a couple weeks ago. Seriously, what's he waiting for? Let’s not get all Q-tarded. I'm the opposite of a Q-tard. Just like when Putin threatened to spill the beans on 9-11. I think it's all horseshit. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 7:34:16 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail:
The Russian government can absolutely be that delusional. I won't be particularly surprised if they double down in such a manner. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Originally Posted By agillig: They can't be that delusional...can they?
"Russia may conduct a full-scale offensive on Poland, the Baltic states & Kazakhstan as part of a global military special operation on demilitarization & denazification," - Russian MP Sergei Savostyanov. The Russians have lost their minds. pic.twitter.com/grqGQsG0NB Visegrd 24 (@visegrad24) March 26, 2022 " class="tweet">
The Russian government can absolutely be that delusional. I won't be particularly surprised if they double down in such a manner. IMO, it's an intimidation tactic to get those countries to dial back support. To those countries I say: every Russian you help kill in Ukraine is one less Russian you'll have to kill on your own soil. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 7:40:23 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kokodude: Putin's real weapons aren't nuclear. He has the dirt on many Western political and business leaders. I'm sure many of them worked directly with his regime at one point or another. Money has changed hands, favors were done, secrets were kept. If peace happens it will be negotiated in a backroom by players that we'll never know existed. There's a world that lives outside of our perceived reality. This is what Putin is threatening to expose.  Get the fuck out with this shit. Clown shoes man. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 7:43:03 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Well, that was a bit awkward |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 7:49:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: I'm withholding judgment on the POW video until info comes out as per my SOP with any domestic video used to spark outrage. The only source I see on my Twit feed is pro-Russian, which raises questions. Smart policy. How would that video originate from the Russian side? From the Ukrainian side why the fuck would you record a war crime, let alone upload it? Further, what are separatists doing up in Kharkiv. There are enough questions to hold off on the outrage. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 7:52:27 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: Trump visited Afghanistan in 2019, Thanksgiving. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:04:36 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Smart policy. How would that video originate from the Russian side? From the Ukrainian side why the fuck would you record a war crime, let alone upload it? Further, what are separatists doing up in Kharkiv. There are enough questions to hold off on the outrage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By M-1975: I'm withholding judgment on the POW video until info comes out as per my SOP with any domestic video used to spark outrage. The only source I see on my Twit feed is pro-Russian, which raises questions. Smart policy. How would that video originate from the Russian side? From the Ukrainian side why the fuck would you record a war crime, let alone upload it? Further, what are separatists doing up in Kharkiv. There are enough questions to hold off on the outrage. the Tik-Tok, instagram generation is universal, knows no bounds. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:06:28 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: I have zero doubt that they want to. IMO, it's an intimidation tactic to get those countries to dial back support. To those countries I say: every Russian you help kill in Ukraine is one less Russian you'll have to kill on your own soil. There are several possibilities as to why he would attack Poland or the Baltics: nothing to lose,escalate to deescalate,preferring to lose to NATO than Ukraine. Anything that could provoke NATO into a reaction and allow a reframing back to “I told you NATO was going to attack us” allows him to not be seen as a loser by nationalists. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:07:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vicpro2: I'm just here to read the new posts about how shooting POWs is actually totally acceptable, and in fact, practically commendable behavior from heroes.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:10:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:10:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: There are several possibilities as to why he would attack Poland or the Baltics: nothing to lose,escalate to deescalate,preferring to lose to NATO than Ukraine. Anything that could provoke NATO into a reaction and allow a reframing back to “I told you NATO was going to attack us” allows him to not be seen as a loser by nationalists. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By Zam18th: I have zero doubt that they want to. IMO, it's an intimidation tactic to get those countries to dial back support. To those countries I say: every Russian you help kill in Ukraine is one less Russian you'll have to kill on your own soil. There are several possibilities as to why he would attack Poland or the Baltics: nothing to lose,escalate to deescalate,preferring to lose to NATO than Ukraine. Anything that could provoke NATO into a reaction and allow a reframing back to “I told you NATO was going to attack us” allows him to not be seen as a loser by nationalists. This has been my fear too, but I think the glimmer of hope is the "lol we didn't want Kiev anyway, it was just a prank bro, we only want Donbas" bullshit... Let's hope anyway. I'm in Warsaw right now listening for the sound of shitty Russian cruise missiles 😂 |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:10:56 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Smart policy. How would that video originate from the Russian side? From the Ukrainian side why the fuck would you record a war crime, let alone upload it? Further, what are separatists doing up in Kharkiv. There are enough questions to hold off on the outrage. Why would a Ukrainian take a video of it?  Attached File Attached FileBecause stupid people occasionally like to document stupid things,even in the modern age when they should very much know better. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:12:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NunyaBidness: I could party with that guy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NunyaBidness: Originally Posted By outofbattery: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/18/ukraine-military-aid-shipments/ This fellow whose video was posted a few times
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/E5C65D85-5ED4-4992-9B98-1D72A253B3FB_jpe-2326570.JPG has a small political party https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/465A9449-2BE0-4999-B9FD-1666C3FB6092_jpe-2326576.JPG of freedom lovers https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/DA825D74-738E-4EBE-BD15-D3C1C79BCF10_jpe-2326578.JPG Maybe you missed the part of the video where he was destroying alcohol because of martial law? 
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:13:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: This has been my fear too, but I think the glimmer of hope is the "lol we didn't want Kiev anyway, it was just a prank bro, we only want Donbas" bullshit... Let's hope anyway. I'm in Warsaw right now listening for the sound of shitty Russian cruise missiles 😂 I’m leaning towards this ending similarly to the Sino-Viet War, the Russians will declare ”victory” and pull back to Donbas and Luhansk. They have no hope of occupying much more than that. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:17:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:18:27 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Why would a Ukrainian take a video of it? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/F4016CA3-5CF9-4A4B-952F-C29E754DB771_jpe-2327774.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/6FB3C038-695D-48FD-B6F0-CFF3AB367AAF_jpe-2327775.JPG Because stupid people occasionally like to document stupid things,even in the modern age when they should very much know better. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Smart policy. How would that video originate from the Russian side? From the Ukrainian side why the fuck would you record a war crime, let alone upload it? Further, what are separatists doing up in Kharkiv. There are enough questions to hold off on the outrage. Why would a Ukrainian take a video of it? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/F4016CA3-5CF9-4A4B-952F-C29E754DB771_jpe-2327774.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/6FB3C038-695D-48FD-B6F0-CFF3AB367AAF_jpe-2327775.JPG Because stupid people occasionally like to document stupid things,even in the modern age when they should very much know better. I'm waiting on more info, though even if legit, it doesn't change my overall opinion on the war. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:21:00 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Ya it’s sucks but I think your reaction regarding Ukraine is a wee bit over the top… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. Ya it’s sucks but I think your reaction regarding Ukraine is a wee bit over the top… He never said he was an American Soldier. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:22:11 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheResurrector: Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheResurrector: Originally Posted By NEXT23: Originally Posted By Pickles: UA are kneecapping RU and killing them. Stupid. Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. You hope all who die? Ukrainians? Ukrainian soldiers? You’ve certainly taken “rooting for Russia” to a new level. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:27:06 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheResurrector: Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. What’s your MOS? |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:27:35 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: The 1st Guards Tank Army is (was) the most elite Russian Army. ETA: 2019 story about him Here's What You Need to Know: Tanks may differ across nations, but not the challenges of modern armored warfare. Which tank does Russia love most? Russia operates a variety of tanks, including the T-72, T-80 and T-90. In an interview with the military newspaper Red Star [English translation here], Major General Sergey Kisel, commander of the First Guards Tank Army, offered his assessment of the various tanks operated by his unit. Kisel should know. The First Guard Tanks Army is arguably the most famous Russian armored formation, spearheading the Red Army’s drive to Berlin in 1945. Disbanded in 1998, it was reactivated in 2016 in western Russia, where it would in the forefront of a conflict with NATO. The workhorse of the First Guards Tank Army is the T-72B3, which Kisel described as “a reliable tank.” An upgraded version of the venerable Cold War T-72, the fifty-ton T-72B3 has better armor, thermal imaging sensors and improved fire control. “Our main battle tank, the T-72B3, possesses sufficient specifications to detect and destroy any enemy on the battlefield,” said Kisel. “Their electronics make it possible significantly to enhance the accuracy of hitting targets.” “It differs from foreign models in that it is far smaller - which makes it less vulnerable,” he added. “At the same time, it has a faster rate of fire and possesses good marching capabilities.” In contrast, the forty-six-ton T-80 is the racehorse built for mobility. As with the U.S. M-1 Abrams, the gas-turbine engine on the T-80 has been panned for being a fuel guzzler. But the T-80BV and T-80U “have gotten a good name for themselves,” says Kisel, who notes that the T-80 was originally developed as a breakthrough tank and can reach a speed of 90 kilometers per hour [56 miles per hour].” “The armament system on the T-80BV is the same as on the T-72B3 and the T-90,” he adds. “A special feature of the T-80BV is that this tank is capable of operating at low temperatures. Its gas turbine engine, whose design does not provide for a cooling liquid, is undemanding in frosts. The T-80BV and the T-80U are distinguished by unique marching specifications and are capable of covering large distances in a short space of time. Kisel did not have as much to say about the T-90, other than that the 1st Guards Tank Army has “subunits with T-90 tanks that differ fundamentally from other vehicles in terms of the degree of protection for the crew, the long firing range, and more powerful engine.” Essentially a heavily modernized T-72, the fifty-one-ton T-90 is equipped with the Shtora defensive countermeasures system and explosive reactive armor to deflect anti-tank weapons. Its 125-millimeter 2A46M smoothbore cannon can fire both conventional shells and AT-11 Sniper anti-tank guided missiles. What’s also interesting are Kisel’s observations on tank warfare. Tanks may differ across nations, but not the challenges of modern armored warfare. When asked by Red Star about the impact of technologies such as drones, robot vehicles and computerized systems, Kisel’s observation could have been uttered by an American or Israeli commander. “The introduction of increasingly complex technical systems requires constant raising of the servicemen’s level of knowledge and combat training. Thus, a tankman is obliged to have thorough knowledge of hardware, ballistics, and the special features of modern combined-arms combat, which has become exponentially more complex in recent decades. Today demands are made of a tank commander that at one time were made of commanders of large subunits.” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
The 1st Guards Tank Army is (was) the most elite Russian Army. ETA: 2019 story about him Here's What You Need to Know: Tanks may differ across nations, but not the challenges of modern armored warfare. Which tank does Russia love most? Russia operates a variety of tanks, including the T-72, T-80 and T-90. In an interview with the military newspaper Red Star [English translation here], Major General Sergey Kisel, commander of the First Guards Tank Army, offered his assessment of the various tanks operated by his unit. Kisel should know. The First Guard Tanks Army is arguably the most famous Russian armored formation, spearheading the Red Army’s drive to Berlin in 1945. Disbanded in 1998, it was reactivated in 2016 in western Russia, where it would in the forefront of a conflict with NATO. The workhorse of the First Guards Tank Army is the T-72B3, which Kisel described as “a reliable tank.” An upgraded version of the venerable Cold War T-72, the fifty-ton T-72B3 has better armor, thermal imaging sensors and improved fire control. “Our main battle tank, the T-72B3, possesses sufficient specifications to detect and destroy any enemy on the battlefield,” said Kisel. “Their electronics make it possible significantly to enhance the accuracy of hitting targets.” “It differs from foreign models in that it is far smaller - which makes it less vulnerable,” he added. “At the same time, it has a faster rate of fire and possesses good marching capabilities.” In contrast, the forty-six-ton T-80 is the racehorse built for mobility. As with the U.S. M-1 Abrams, the gas-turbine engine on the T-80 has been panned for being a fuel guzzler. But the T-80BV and T-80U “have gotten a good name for themselves,” says Kisel, who notes that the T-80 was originally developed as a breakthrough tank and can reach a speed of 90 kilometers per hour [56 miles per hour].” “The armament system on the T-80BV is the same as on the T-72B3 and the T-90,” he adds. “A special feature of the T-80BV is that this tank is capable of operating at low temperatures. Its gas turbine engine, whose design does not provide for a cooling liquid, is undemanding in frosts. The T-80BV and the T-80U are distinguished by unique marching specifications and are capable of covering large distances in a short space of time. Kisel did not have as much to say about the T-90, other than that the 1st Guards Tank Army has “subunits with T-90 tanks that differ fundamentally from other vehicles in terms of the degree of protection for the crew, the long firing range, and more powerful engine.” Essentially a heavily modernized T-72, the fifty-one-ton T-90 is equipped with the Shtora defensive countermeasures system and explosive reactive armor to deflect anti-tank weapons. Its 125-millimeter 2A46M smoothbore cannon can fire both conventional shells and AT-11 Sniper anti-tank guided missiles. What’s also interesting are Kisel’s observations on tank warfare. Tanks may differ across nations, but not the challenges of modern armored warfare. When asked by Red Star about the impact of technologies such as drones, robot vehicles and computerized systems, Kisel’s observation could have been uttered by an American or Israeli commander. “The introduction of increasingly complex technical systems requires constant raising of the servicemen’s level of knowledge and combat training. Thus, a tankman is obliged to have thorough knowledge of hardware, ballistics, and the special features of modern combined-arms combat, which has become exponentially more complex in recent decades. Today demands are made of a tank commander that at one time were made of commanders of large subunits.” That is a very significant blow to Russia. Catastrophe. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:30:38 AM EDT
[#34]
I think people are forgetting Ukraine is only slightly removed from Russia. There are still statues and busts of Lenin and Stalin in Ukrainian cities and towns. Really no better than 3rd world savages. The kneecapping video proves they can be just as evil.
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:31:29 AM EDT
[#35]
Are we really pretending Russia isn't intentionally targeting civilians, deporting the population, and raping everything in sight? Awful lot of CONCERN for these monsters.
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:32:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vengeance6661: I think people are forgetting Ukraine is only slightly removed from Russia. There are still statues and busts of Lenin and Stalin in Ukrainian cities and towns. Really no better than 3rd world savages. The kneecapping video proves they can be just as evil. There's Soviet monuments all over the 2nd world. Meaningless. Are they all 3rd world savages too? Have you visited? |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:33:58 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agillig: Are we really pretending Russia isn't intentionally targeting civilians, deporting the population, and raping everything in sight? Awful lot of CONCERN for these monsters. I'm not. Fuck those limping for life assholes. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:34:10 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Climbmadone: More likely to be Russia propaganda. Would not doubt for a second they would round up a few deserters and shoot them. I have my doubts ukr would do this and then release multiple vids. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Climbmadone: Originally Posted By M-1975: I'm withholding judgment on the POW video until info comes out as per my SOP with any domestic video used to spark outrage. The only source I see on my Twit feed is pro-Russian, which raises questions. More likely to be Russia propaganda. Would not doubt for a second they would round up a few deserters and shoot them. I have my doubts ukr would do this and then release multiple vids. From what I’m hearing, the Russians are torturing captured Ukrainians and the Ukrainians are torturing captured Russians. War is Hell |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:34:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: There's Soviet monuments all over the 2nd world. Meaningless. Are they all 3rd world savages too? Have you visited?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle) |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:35:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xmission: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Statue_of_Lenin_Seattle.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xmission: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: There's Soviet monuments all over the 2nd world. Meaningless. Are they all 3rd world savages too? Have you visited? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Statue_of_Lenin_Seattle.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle) Big oof |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:42:48 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheResurrector: Wow, Russia couldn't have made a better propaganda film than this. So much for the Ukrainians having the moral high ground.  Those are Ukrainians. Separatists. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:43:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: So the solution to avoid a future nuclear conflict.. is to push Russia to the brink and provoke a nuclear conflict? I understand your logic about appeasement, but when dealing with a nuclear power, we have to be more on the risk-averse side when weighing these things. I'm sure the same can be said for Russia, which is why I don't believe they will ever go after NATO. The risk is just too great. The historical precedents from before we had nukes are not directly applicable today. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlchemyPhD: Originally Posted By Bizzarolibe: The problem occurs when you then extend this logic out to its rational conclusion. Countries would fall one by one, and the rest of the world would let it happen to avoid nuclear war. Where does it end? At some point, you simply can’t kick that can any further. So the solution to avoid a future nuclear conflict.. is to push Russia to the brink and provoke a nuclear conflict? I understand your logic about appeasement, but when dealing with a nuclear power, we have to be more on the risk-averse side when weighing these things. I'm sure the same can be said for Russia, which is why I don't believe they will ever go after NATO. The risk is just too great. The historical precedents from before we had nukes are not directly applicable today. It’s apparent that Russian military capabilities are not anywhere near where everyone assumed they were. There has been analysis on their nuclear arms budget and ability to maintain their arsenal, and it is likely in similar states of disrepair. The west’s technology and capabilities are therefore far superior in every way, and push comes to shove, a nuclear conflict will end Russia, and the west at large will survive. It’s Russia that should be afraid, and we should be dictating terms. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:45:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: solid]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xmission: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Statue_of_Lenin_Seattle.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xmission: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: There's Soviet monuments all over the 2nd world. Meaningless. Are they all 3rd world savages too? Have you visited? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Statue_of_Lenin_Seattle.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle) Disgraceful. Needs more application of John Deere technology. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:47:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Camo pattern and armbands? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By sarge38624: How do we tell who are the Russians and who are the Ukranians in that one?? Camo pattern and armbands? When the big boog comes, our armbands will be multicam.
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:47:36 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: — Metabiota Poso\uD83E\uDDEC (@JackPosobiec) March 26, 2022 That image:  This reply:
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:53:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: From what I’m hearing, the Russians are torturing captured Ukrainians and the Ukrainians are torturing captured Russians. War is Hell Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By Climbmadone: Originally Posted By M-1975: I'm withholding judgment on the POW video until info comes out as per my SOP with any domestic video used to spark outrage. The only source I see on my Twit feed is pro-Russian, which raises questions. More likely to be Russia propaganda. Would not doubt for a second they would round up a few deserters and shoot them. I have my doubts ukr would do this and then release multiple vids. From what I’m hearing, the Russians are torturing captured Ukrainians and the Ukrainians are torturing captured Russians. War is Hell I think the kiddie-gloves “Global War on Terror” has altered the perception of a country in TOTAL WAR with a peer force as we are seeing. War is brutal and this is fairly normal when you take a deep breath and realizes it’s not two 1700s English gentlemen in a dual. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:57:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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Think about the internet/cell phones and what they would have recorded in WW2 committed by our “greatest generation” (LT Ronald Spiers for example). There are also open stories in the Pacific and vets talk freely of shooting and bayoneting injured Japanese as they didn’t want the risk of a fake/trick attack. Almost all of us shrug that “war crime” off today as “sensible”. Context matters.
War is hell. Can’t take prisoners. Then what happens when you capture someone who showed your friends no mercy, or worse….we’re willingly killing civilians (which the World knows the Russians are doing). The UN isnt going to go arrest these guys and try them. This is it. It’s well recorded by words and stories. Extra-judicial and “field sentences” have been carried out forever. Only in the last 80yr have we worried about “sternly worded letters and international criminal courts”. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:57:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Just doing clerical work to link to source (Rus as op mentioned): Telegram link “There was a video where Ukrainians treat prisoners with particular cruelty. All unarmed soldiers were shot in the legs. In the footage, they are not even given medical care. Most likely, the action takes place at one of the bases of the "territorial defense" militants in the Kharkiv region.” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By slapdaddy: Don't know how long this one will be up. I'm posting this mostly for the romantics that think this shit is so cool. It's not, and this is how bad things are getting. The laws of land warfare we pretend to care about so much, mean next to nothing when two sides hate each other this much. This is what it comes to. Draw whatever conclusion you like. Kid gloves are off Just doing clerical work to link to source (Rus as op mentioned): Telegram link “There was a video where Ukrainians treat prisoners with particular cruelty. All unarmed soldiers were shot in the legs. In the footage, they are not even given medical care. Most likely, the action takes place at one of the bases of the "territorial defense" militants in the Kharkiv region.” Guess if you don't want POW's treated like this, you shouldn't do RUS army things. Like kill families, bomb children's hospitals, shelters, and shoot civillians intentionally while intentionally shelling civillian areas. Oh well. POW's that can't walk again, can't fight again, can they? "Because we live here". |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 9:01:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boltcatch: You're either a shill or lack any and all historical perspective. Filming it is stupid and doing it is likely counterproductive, but if I felt that kneecapping a bunch of invading jackasses whose people had genocided mine and/or ethnically cleansed my peoples' areas within living memory was an effective thing to do in order to get them to stop MLRS-ing my civilians, I would kneecap them all fucking day long for as long as it took. I would think the majority of them who are conscripts and don't want to be there don't deserve this, but deserve really has nothing to do with it. What is happening is far outside the laws of land warfare - Russia left those behind in a hurry and can't reasonably expect such protections. If UA wants to deal with it, that's their business. I see a lot of westerners throwing around stupid talking points and failing to understand the magnitude of what happened in that part of the world in the last century or so, and what sort of fight these people are in. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boltcatch: Originally Posted By TheResurrector: Originally Posted By NEXT23: Originally Posted By Pickles: UA are kneecapping RU and killing them. Stupid. Yep. As an Active Duty Soldier, I picture someone doing this to me after I am captured. Fuck Ukraine. I hope they all die. You're either a shill or lack any and all historical perspective. Filming it is stupid and doing it is likely counterproductive, but if I felt that kneecapping a bunch of invading jackasses whose people had genocided mine and/or ethnically cleansed my peoples' areas within living memory was an effective thing to do in order to get them to stop MLRS-ing my civilians, I would kneecap them all fucking day long for as long as it took. I would think the majority of them who are conscripts and don't want to be there don't deserve this, but deserve really has nothing to do with it. What is happening is far outside the laws of land warfare - Russia left those behind in a hurry and can't reasonably expect such protections. If UA wants to deal with it, that's their business. I see a lot of westerners throwing around stupid talking points and failing to understand the magnitude of what happened in that part of the world in the last century or so, and what sort of fight these people are in. Let's see people say "fuck ukraine for this I hope they all die" when it's their family dead in the street or bombed in a shelter by some ape orc army. This is what happens when you invade someone's homeland, kill people at every opportunity, are basically a terror army. TYhis is going to get even more brutal the more this drags on. orcs are orcs. The worst part about this is now they can't move on their own and become a problem. Maybe these guys were an arty unit? Maybe they shot up civillians? Maybe this was around Kherson where they were shooting civilians? |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 9:02:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Guess if you don't want POW's treated like this, you shouldn't do RUS army things. Like kill families, bomb children's hospitals, shelters, and shoot civillians intentionally while intentionally shelling civillian areas. Oh well. POW's that can't walk again, can't fight again, can they? "Because we live here". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By slapdaddy: Don't know how long this one will be up. I'm posting this mostly for the romantics that think this shit is so cool. It's not, and this is how bad things are getting. The laws of land warfare we pretend to care about so much, mean next to nothing when two sides hate each other this much. This is what it comes to. Draw whatever conclusion you like. Kid gloves are off Just doing clerical work to link to source (Rus as op mentioned): Telegram link “There was a video where Ukrainians treat prisoners with particular cruelty. All unarmed soldiers were shot in the legs. In the footage, they are not even given medical care. Most likely, the action takes place at one of the bases of the "territorial defense" militants in the Kharkiv region.” Guess if you don't want POW's treated like this, you shouldn't do RUS army things. Like kill families, bomb children's hospitals, shelters, and shoot civillians intentionally while intentionally shelling civillian areas. Oh well. POW's that can't walk again, can't fight again, can they? "Because we live here". I like how it's been explained to you multiple times over the last thousand pages why this is a retarded stance and you always ignore it and keep posting the same shit. |
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