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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Where are they going to get the people and equipment? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By ad_nauseam: IMO this war will last at least 2 years. At least, probably longer. The biggest danger to Ukraine is giving up territory at the negotiating table. Where are they going to get the people and equipment? Ukraine is still in the process of mobilizing its reserve manpower. In a country of 44 million, about 22 million are males. Of that 22 million, about 45% are “fighting age” - 18-50 years. Therefore there are about 9.9 million potential fighting men in Ukraine. If only 10% actually fight, that is 1 million men, significantly in excess of what Russia can muster let alone actually supply. As to supply, current events should clearly demonstrate how Ukraine will be supplied. It’s also quite likely that, with Russian barbarism becoming more evident with every passing day, Europe will clearly understand that they can either supply Ukraine to fight for them or they will have to fight in their own countries. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:39:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Pretty sure I just saw a video where Russians were literally stacking azov like cordwood. Description said they’d been waiting a long time to clean up Mariupol. :/ You got a link? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:39:47 PM EDT
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I can't be the only one hoping Gundi is okay with the shitstorm happening in Mariupol right now.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:41:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ghostmonkey: I can't be the only one hoping Gundi is okay with the shitstorm happening in Mariupol right now. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:43:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ghostmonkey: I can't be the only one hoping Gundi is okay with the shitstorm happening in Mariupol right now. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:43:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Frank_B]
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This is interesting:
Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich suffered symptoms of suspected poisoning at peace talks on the Ukraine-Belarus border earlier this month, sources close to him say. The Chelsea FC owner - who has now recovered - reportedly suffered sore eyes and peeling skin. Two Ukrainian peace negotiators were also said to have been affected. One report said the alleged poisoning was orchestrated by Russian hardliners who wanted to sabotage the talks... ...On the afternoon of 3 March, Roman Abramovich joined Russian and Ukrainian peace negotiators at talks on the Ukraine-Belarus border. What happened next is very mysterious. Later that night, three of the delegates - including Mr Abramovich - according to the investigative website Bellingcat, suffered symptoms of nerve agent poisoning. They had inflamed skin, irritated eyes and severe pain behind the eyes - symptoms which lasted all night. None of them had eaten anything more, according to Bellingcat, than chocolate and water. Chemical weapons specialists have examined this case and concluded that they believe it was an intentional use of a chemical agent... BBC World News link |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:44:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Neva been dun befo'. Look at the current MSHORAD proposal. Same 30mm chain gun as the Apache, plus a multitude of other options. We've got top men working on this. Top. Men. The 30mm chain gun is man-portable? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:46:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Tanks didn't work out so good, so Russia is going full ISIS technical brigade  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAiLJAX3-eQIs that last one a Ridgeline?  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: That detonated and you can see the burning metal. NLaw in top attack doesn’t have much oomph it’s just a shaped charge directed down. What? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:51:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Is that two dudes or one? Apparently two. There are nametags with two different names in the picture. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NEXT23: @lorazepam Whats your take? On why putin invaded Ukraine? He is a fucking asshole who decided to act on adding Ukraine to russia, and erasing Ukraine as a nation. It has nothing to do with Ag research labs, or fucking nato. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:59:23 PM EDT
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An update on the rubles-for-gas issue:
“The energy ministers of France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States, the United Kingdom and Canada, as well as the European Union energy commissioner, met by videoconference and reaffirmed that contracts “must be respected," with most stipulating payments be in euros or dollars, a G-7 statement said.” “Asked what happens if Russia turns off the taps now, Germany’s energy minister said, “We are prepared for all scenarios.” Several days ago multiple individual nations made the same statement; now it’s a G7 policy. Moreover Germany seems to be implying that they are prepared for supplies to be cut. Now it’s on Putin to either follow through or fold. IMO if he follows though (a stance which is painful for Europe but suicidal for Russia) we can assume WW3 in some form is going to happen. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:01:25 PM EDT
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Russian TOS-1 taken out.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1508589546212048903?s=20&t=Yi_YLmdWbTIAuQpKCtPpCg[/tweet] |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:02:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: Apparently two. There are nametags with two different names in the picture. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: They're still fighting it out for part of the city. Did you see the video of Azov being marched in the streets? I bet they'll be in a ditch soon.
Bullshit. There are leaves on the trees. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:08:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Rising fuel prices (oil) is causing the price of fertilizer to skyrocket across the globe. This in turn is going to drive the price of coffee production higher. Russia is a major fertilizer supplier. They stopped shipping. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:08:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CenterMass762]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Pretty sure I just saw a video where Russians were literally stacking azov like cordwood. Description said they’d been waiting a long time to clean up Mariupol. :/ They're having to take that city inch by inch, building by building, room by room with no comms and low supplies. Sometimes the same buildings multiple times because the Azov guys will be gone by the time they get in. The Russians are paying big time in blood to take Mariupol. ETA- here's a Russian telling an interviewer how shitty it is for them. The translation is in the comments.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:10:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Ukraine is still in the process of mobilizing its reserve manpower. In a country of 44 million, about 22 million are males. Of that 22 million, about 45% are “fighting age” - 18-50 years. Therefore there are about 9.9 million potential fighting men in Ukraine. If only 10% actually fight, that is 1 million men, significantly in excess of what Russia can muster let alone actually supply. It's my understanding that Ukraine just finished mobilizing so called "operative reserve", that's about 150,000 people with military experience. There was no total mobilization, however males 18-60 are not allowed to leave country. Additionally, the territorial defense force is between 100,000 and 150,000 people. Prewar UA military had between 150,000 and 200,000 active duty personnel. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:11:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NY12ga:
Yeah, like 2014 earlier. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:11:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: THOT_Vaccine]
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 Russian Army Takes Massive Blow - Critical City Lost |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:14:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: some people including myself get overheated even in cold temps and can easily wear t shirts in cold weather. Edit, earlier vid, but my point still stands about people having tolerance to cold weather, Yeah, those leaves on the trees sprouted awfully fast. Lol overheated. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:15:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: The 30mm chain gun is man-portable? 
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:17:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RickJames1999: What? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RickJames1999: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: That detonated and you can see the burning metal. NLaw in top attack doesn’t have much oomph it’s just a shaped charge directed down. What? Yeah you say something like that, you gotta explain your position. Because it’s wrong |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:17:41 PM EDT
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I believe that there will be a limited nuclear exchange, because Russia's too big of a dick to walk away, and the West won't let them slide, once they do.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:21:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: I believe that there will be a limited nuclear exchange, because Russia's too big of a dick to walk away, and the West won't let them slide, once they do. No such thing as “limited nuclear exchange”. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:21:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Yeah, those leaves on the trees sprouted awfully fast. Lol overheated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By Banditman: some people including myself get overheated even in cold temps and can easily wear t shirts in cold weather. Edit, earlier vid, but my point still stands about people having tolerance to cold weather, Yeah, those leaves on the trees sprouted awfully fast. Lol overheated. if someone is still getting overheated in cold temps it means that person has not yet acclimated himself to the environment or has medical issues. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:23:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: No such thing as “limited nuclear exchange”. Guess we're really, really close to finding out... This shit ain't cooling down. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:27:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: I believe that there will be a limited nuclear exchange, because Russia's too big of a dick to walk away, and the West won't let them slide, once they do. No such thing. Its not WWII and the US the only one to have NUKES. If there is an "exchange", who is returning in the exchange.....because I've been told here that UA has none........so that leaves France, UK, and the good ole USA.......so who is returning fire? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:27:18 PM EDT
[#29]
I suspect the calculus Putin is attempting to perform is what happens when he pops a nuke and it is a dud.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:28:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Moreover Germany seems to be implying that they are prepared for supplies to be cut. I wonder how much natural gas storage capacity Russia has? Or are they going to shut in a whole bunch of their production? Not sure that's gonna work out well for them... |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:36:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NEXT23: No such thing. Its not WWII and the US the only one to have NUKES. If there is an "exchange", who is returning in the exchange.....because I've been told here that UA has none........so that leaves France, UK, and the good ole USA.......so who is returning fire? US will return fire. France lacks the balls, Britain would ask us, first. Israel doesn't care until Iran jumps, and Pakistan, India and China are their own problem. I think Russia will deploy a tactial nuke and try to pass it off as a command/control problem, and not a definitive act of the State. We are in uncharted territory ATM. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:37:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Chechnya says Kadyrov is in Mariupol - sporting general's epaulettes from Putin Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: VALENTYNA ROMANENKO - MONDAY, 28 MARCH 2022, 18:12 Russian President Vladimir Putin has promoted Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov to the military rank of Lieutenant General. Russian media report that Kadyrov is in Mariupol, which is besieged by Russian occupiers . Source: Mohammed Daudov, head of the Chechen parliament, and Akhmed Dudayev, Chechnya's minister for national policy, foreign relations, press and information, as quoted by the Russian newspaper "RBC" Details: Commenting on the awarding of the rank to Kadyrov, Daudov wrote on his social media site that "the Chechen leader's contribution to the victory over international terrorism in the Chechen Republic, and to the preservation of Russia's integrity cannot be overestimated." Another video allegedly from Mariupol was posted on Kadyrov's Telegram channel on Monday. "RBC" writes that the Chechen government confirmed to them that Kadyrov is in Mariupol, where, they say, "the principal outcome" is approaching. The head of the Chechen government said that "in the next few days the city will be taken and cleared of nationalists and Nazis. And Kadyrov, according to Daudov, "came to Mariupol to talk, to raise morale, to provide additional technical equipment, and to adjust and refine the strategy for further actions in the next couple of days." Background: Since the first days of the full-scale war, the Russian invaders have been levelling Mariupol with air raids. The invader keeps trying to take over the city, but is rebuffed by the Ukrainian resistance forces. Is he wearing his bitchin' Prada boots? I'm sure he's fabulous in them. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:38:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CZ75_9MM: 3rd world army. Africans trained by russians. What could go wrong? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:40:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: It's my understanding that Ukraine just finished mobilizing so called "operative reserve", that's about 150,000 people with military experience. There was no total mobilization, however males 18-60 are not allowed to leave country. Additionally, the territorial defense force is between 100,000 and 150,000 people. Prewar UA military had between 150,000 and 200,000 active duty personnel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: Originally Posted By Capta: Ukraine is still in the process of mobilizing its reserve manpower. In a country of 44 million, about 22 million are males. Of that 22 million, about 45% are “fighting age” - 18-50 years. Therefore there are about 9.9 million potential fighting men in Ukraine. If only 10% actually fight, that is 1 million men, significantly in excess of what Russia can muster let alone actually supply. It's my understanding that Ukraine just finished mobilizing so called "operative reserve", that's about 150,000 people with military experience. There was no total mobilization, however males 18-60 are not allowed to leave country. Additionally, the territorial defense force is between 100,000 and 150,000 people. Prewar UA military had between 150,000 and 200,000 active duty personnel. If the fellow in that video ages ago is correct, he was saying the Territorial Defense Force in Kyiv had their plan to equip and train 6500 personnel. He said 12 times that many showed up. That's 78,000 people just in Kyiv. I would imagine it's that way across the country. What they don't have is enough equipment to outfit all those folks nor enough trainers to get them up to speed fast enough. Given the level of not only Ukrainians who are willing to fight but foreigners willing to kick a few Russian asses, I'd say they're not at a loss for people. They lack weapons, equipment, and trainers to bring all those folks into the fight. The longer the war drags on, the worse it will be for the Russians both in Ukraine and at home. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:42:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: US will return fire. France lacks the balls, Britain would ask us, first. Israel doesn't care until Iran jumps, and Pakistan, India and China are their own problem. I think Russia will deploy a tactical nuke and try to pass it off as a command/control problem, and not a definitive act of the State. We are in uncharted territory ATM. people keep saying tactical nuke, but as far as I can see there aren't really any targets. the UA dont seem to have concentrated hard defenses holding up advances, rather broad fronts. Russia wants to occupy the cities, those they are shelling will be easier to defend if nuked rather then harder. The UAs main bases and depots have to be long empty. Airfields are minimally important so far. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: US will return fire. France lacks the balls, Britain would ask us, first. Israel doesn't care until Iran jumps, and Pakistan, India and China are their own problem. I think Russia will deploy a tactial nuke and try to pass it off as a command/control problem, and not a definitive act of the State. We are in uncharted territory ATM. No way we respond to another country getting nuked that isn't in NATO. I'm not sure we respond to a nuke, with a nuke to any country other than UK, Canada, SK, France, Australia, and Japan |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:44:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Ukraine is still in the process of mobilizing its reserve manpower. In a country of 44 million, about 22 million are males. Of that 22 million, about 45% are “fighting age” - 18-50 years. Therefore there are about 9.9 million potential fighting men in Ukraine. If only 10% actually fight, that is 1 million men, significantly in excess of what Russia can muster let alone actually supply. As to supply, current events should clearly demonstrate how Ukraine will be supplied. It’s also quite likely that, with Russian barbarism becoming more evident with every passing day, Europe will clearly understand that they can either supply Ukraine to fight for them or they will have to fight in their own countries. I am talking russia. They have no production capabilities for new equipment. They need imported parts and electronics to build their military vehicles. There is no way at current levels of destruction that russia can do this for 2 years. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:51:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: US will return fire. France lacks the balls, Britain would ask us, first. Israel doesn't care until Iran jumps, and Pakistan, India and China are their own problem. I think Russia will deploy a tactial nuke and try to pass it off as a command/control problem, and not a definitive act of the State. We are in uncharted territory ATM. Once the cat is out of the bag, everyone that has them will start slinging. No one will want to miss the party. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:51:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Ukraine is still in the process of mobilizing its reserve manpower. In a country of 44 million, about 22 million are males. Of that 22 million, about 45% are “fighting age” - 18-50 years. Therefore there are about 9.9 million potential fighting men in Ukraine. If only 10% actually fight, that is 1 million men, significantly in excess of what Russia can muster let alone actually supply. As to supply, current events should clearly demonstrate how Ukraine will be supplied. It’s also quite likely that, with Russian barbarism becoming more evident with every passing day, Europe will clearly understand that they can either supply Ukraine to fight for them or they will have to fight in their own countries. Great way to make numbers up. Ukriane, not including Crimea is only 41M. With only 43% being male. They have a .45% population loss and negative migration. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine Russia's Demographics also suck. Neither can afford this retarded war. The Slavic people will be extinct in a hundred years at this rate. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:53:23 PM EDT
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Fox news is saying Russia is bringing 1000 or so more contractors. Wagner group. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:56:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Once the cat is out of the bag, everyone that has them will start slinging. No one will want to miss the party. This. It will be a “smoke them if you got them” sort of situation. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:58:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: US will return fire. France lacks the balls, Britain would ask us, first. Israel doesn't care until Iran jumps, and Pakistan, India and China are their own problem. I think Russia will deploy a tactial nuke and try to pass it off as a command/control problem, and not a definitive act of the State. We are in uncharted territory ATM. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By NEXT23: No such thing. Its not WWII and the US the only one to have NUKES. If there is an "exchange", who is returning in the exchange.....because I've been told here that UA has none........so that leaves France, UK, and the good ole USA.......so who is returning fire? US will return fire. France lacks the balls, Britain would ask us, first. Israel doesn't care until Iran jumps, and Pakistan, India and China are their own problem. I think Russia will deploy a tactial nuke and try to pass it off as a command/control problem, and not a definitive act of the State. We are in uncharted territory ATM. Perhaps the French are worry warts. That might explain them dispatching 3 of their 4 SLBM subs out to sea. The other possibility is they see Russia losing and lashing out at Europe. Hard to say. It's pretty much a given if a tactical nuke is used in Ukraine, then NATO will intervene and crush the Russian forces there and possibly all along the border with Europe. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 12:01:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: Guess we're really, really close to finding out... This shit ain't cooling down. If Russia pops off a tactical nuke, I expect that NATO will hammer them with conventional forces. Although, that could lead to Russia popping off more nukes, so IDK..... |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 12:05:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Tsol]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: No such thing as “limited nuclear exchange”. Yes there is. NUTS. Don't know how it applies to this situation though. MAD doesn't apply either. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 12:15:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2022 12:23:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goneshootin: Fox news is saying Russia is bringing 1000 or so more contractors. Wagner group. What happened to the first group? 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 12:26:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: What happened to the first group? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By goneshootin: Fox news is saying Russia is bringing 1000 or so more contractors. Wagner group. What happened to the first group? I was thinking the same thing. They were already on the ground. But I have no idea how they recruit and their numbers. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 12:29:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hiyaboa: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/306429/B589A11C-30BF-4106-A309-404ABAFD6C09_jpe-2330227.JPG Hard to tell on my iPad, but that looks like a belt of nothing but API. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 12:32:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aswrg7: If Russia pops off a tactical nuke, I expect that NATO will hammer them with conventional forces. Although, that could lead to Russia popping off more nukes, so IDK..... I see this as the most likely nuclear scenario (if there is one). Some sort of lower yield nuke not delivered via ICBM and NATO gets conventionally involved. Russia either escalates with more nukes and scenario B below plays out or they get their shit pushed all the way up and out of their ears conventionally. One of the big boys from an ICBM silo takes off then all bets are off and other shit starts flying before it hits the ground. In that case, life as we know it is over and whomever survives gets to sort it out. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 12:37:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goneshootin: I was thinking the same thing. They were already on the ground. But I have no idea how they recruit and their numbers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goneshootin: Originally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By goneshootin: Fox news is saying Russia is bringing 1000 or so more contractors. Wagner group. What happened to the first group? I was thinking the same thing. They were already on the ground. But I have no idea how they recruit and their numbers. First TWO groups actually. They went in to get Zelensky and the PM. Hopefully Saran-wrapped to a pole somewhere. |
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