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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:00:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: I don't think Kadyrov can do any worse than the clowns who are currently in charge. BTW he's not only a general, he's also a Hero of Russia, а member of Russian Academy of Sciences, and there is a bridge in St. Petersburg named after him. According to Kadyrov himself, he killed his first Russian when he was 16. He's a fucking turd. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:00:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: In terms of Ukraine's population, also note that there are estimated 5 million plus refugees who've left the country, and another 6 million plus "internally displaced persons," who've had to flee their homes but are still in-country. Having to take care of 6 million people creates its own drain on resources for Ukraine. Russia may be sucking wind in terms of military objectives, but their larger strategic destruction of Ukraine's economy is going extremely well.  Oh, sure, Russia's economy is getting wrecked too, but does Putin care about that? If they could displace their population to far far west Ukraine and open up Red Cross station at the polish border i could imagine how Ukraine could really really leverage that for their logistics. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:00:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Good thread here. I suspect he is correct. The US and the West should say straight out that the sections continue until Ukraine is free and whole according to borders it had when Russia signed the Budapest memo, and they need to repeat it. The Russian people need to hear that their economy is going to suffer because Russia refuses to abide by its own agreements and refuses to respect its neighbors. It's not the US or NATO or the EU that's doing this to Russia, it's Putin. And to go further, if Putin were to succeed in annexing Ukraine, Russia should expect to NEVER trade with the West again. Putting the USSR back together means that in every way. Bread lines, empty store shelves, shoddy goods and not enough of them, misery for all. And did the planes make it to Ukraine yet? Hmm?? 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:00:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: True. Everyone building bunkers would be better served spending the money to develop a food plot and long term storage. Can't eat a geiger counter. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:00:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Heard on the radio that Russia is pulling their forces out of the Kiev area and moving them to Donbass to fight for that property. IOW, they are getting their asses kicked and are beating feet. Pretty sure it means Z-sky is going to sign over southern Ukraine to Putin so he's moving all his forces there to lock it down. That is what he wanted all along anyway. The other attacks to the North were to inflict enough pain that Ukraine is happy with the deal. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:03:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oiparhon:. They said, under the new system, Israel, Poland, Canada and Turkey could be among Ukraine’s security guarantors. LOL, Canada. Poland and to a lesser extent, Turkey have vested interests in a stable (non Russian)Ukraine. Ukraine feeds Turkey. I doubt Israel could project enough force there to make a difference and it's out of the question for Canada to do much besides write a strongly worded letter. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:03:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Absolutely nailed it. The US and the West should say straight out that the sections continue until Ukraine is free and whole according to borders it had when Russia signed the Budapest memo, and they need to repeat it. The Russian people need to hear that their economy is going to suffer because Russia refuses to abide by its own agreements and refuses to respect its neighbors. It's not the US or NATO or the EU that's doing this to Russia, it's Putin. And to go further, if Putin were to succeed in annexing Ukraine, Russia should expect to NEVER trade with the West again. Putting the USSR back together means that in every way. Bread lines, empty store shelves, shoddy goods and not enough of them, misery for all. And did the planes make it to Ukraine yet? Hmm?? And this absolutely nailed it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:04:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: A column of T-80s found a bog. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-03-29_04-35-05_jpg-2330446.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-03-29_04-35-06_jpg-2330447.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-03-29_04-35-08_jpg-2330448.JPG 75 years from now people will be digging out T-80s from Ukrainian bogs and ponds, and will find more Tiger Is right next to or below them. And since there will be no sense of history, they will think they were fighting each other. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:05:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Thanks. That unfortunately fits the description. Although it’s possible they just found their stash of casualties. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: Pro-Russian channel on Telegram, there are others but you can find them yourself, I don't like to post gore. But, they are there..... Telegram Link Thanks. That unfortunately fits the description. Although it’s possible they just found their stash of casualties. Channel called Glory to Z. No way they could be biased or fake. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:06:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: Nuclear deterrence works when the other side knows you'll launch too. Biden has demonstrated incoherence, incompetence and waffling. Kamala is in the corner cackling. Does anybody think we'd respond with a nuke if he used a small tactical one? This is exactly my fear also. Someone like Putin has spent his entire life sniffing out weakness and capitalizing off it. Xiden stinks of weakness and indecision and the people controlling him are globohomo commies who only care about lgbtq rights. I'm sure NATO is doubting the USA's resolve also. I personally doubt that Xiden would react militarily even if Putin used tactical nukes or chem. weapons in Ukraine. More BS sanctions and incoherent angry old guy speeches is all we could expect. I'm hoping that Poland has enough balls to stand against Russia. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:07:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Re-posting the recent Kasparov tweet, because he is exactly correct (thanks to whoever posted it earlier). https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1508545477234597891.html Concern about Biden's statement about Putin not remaining in power is overblown. The real worry is his admin is not clear on what it hopes to achieve in supporting Ukraine. Without US leadership, the EU, NATO, and the rest will lose their nerve at the first opportunity. 1/13 Ambiguity is tactically useful, strategically disastrous. If a dictator is uncertain of your commitment and your goals, the chance of catastrophe rises. If you backtrack on simple statements, what else might you backtrack on? Sanctions? Treaty obligations? 2/13 Supporting Ukraine 100%, as Biden says he does, means giving them what they need and doing what needs to be done to enable Ukraine to win this war, not simply survive until Putin consolidates his occupation grip, commits more war crimes, & reloads for next time. 3/13 Putin cannot be confident he will win, but he assumes he can take a draw at any time, that the West will pressure Ukraine to accept his terms, as they have so many times before. They always want to talk. They always want his gas & oil, to offer sanctions relief. 4/13 Nations supporting Ukraine are giving comfort to Putin and conceding leverage by failing to state their aims. Is Ukraine to be free, intact & independent? So say sanctions are permanent and will increase as long as Ukrainian territory is occupied, including Crimea. 5/13 Is the West going to isolate war criminal Putin for bombing cities full of civilians into the ground, killing tens of thousands? Or is he still welcome at the table for the Iran deal, to sell energy, to negotiate for the country he has taken hostage? 6/13 Putin will see no reason to cease this destruction as long as his power in Russia is not threatened. He must feel that pressure to affect his decision-making. A decade of being diplomatic & failing to listen to Putin's own words is how we got to this tragic point. 7/13 It's not what Putin does when cornered that is worrying, it's what he does when he feels immune, when he is sure consequences can be avoided or weakened. It's a contagious feeling that runs down through his command structure in the military. Shake that confidence. 8/13 Dictators operate on fear. Putin has always appealed to the "everyone is afraid of us again" nostalgia element in Russia. Worse, he now believes it and the rest of the world has gone along instead of standing up to him. Shouldn't he be afraid instead? 9/13 Take away Putin's safety nets. He, his generals and commanders, his mafia, and ordinary Russians have to envision the end of Putin's rule. It should be clear to any admiral who fires WMD that they will die. His oligarchs must know they will never leave Russia. 10/13 Companies and nations still doing business with Putin's rogue state cannot have it both ways. That time is over, at long last. It is a time to pick a side. Those who do not renounce Putin & Russia are not diplomats, they are corrupt cowards. 11/13 This war will shape the world's direction for a generation and beyond, for good or ill. This is a fight for the values the free world supposedly holds dear. We need moral and strategic unity and clarity, not backtracking. 12/13 Ukraine needs weapons to win, not words of support and a partition stalemate. Ukraine deserves to know we are doing everything we can, not everything that Putin allows. Ukraine deserves to be whole, to be free, and to achieve victory. Glory to Ukraine. 13/13 ___________________________________________________________________________ JMHO, but Kasparov is 100% correct. As long as the economic and military/intel leaders of Russia under Putin fear him more than they fear consequences from the rest of the world, that will shape their choices in favor of doing what Putin demands. We need all of those dudes, right down to the front line junior and mid-grade officers who receive launch commands, to worry more about being wiped out, rather than catching a bullet from the next level of Putin thug above them. The people with something to lose (up to the oligarch level) need to be more certain that they will lose everything if they obey Putin, rather than the other way around. If that feeling doesn't permeate throughout the hierarchy, then Putin will always remain in control. ETA: Funny, we didn't need a chess grand master to explain this to us, but apparently the Biden admin needs to be reading more Tweets so they can have a coherent and credible foreign policy. Maybe Kasparov can make a catchy TikTok, and hope he gets invited to the White House?  That's deep... and scary |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:07:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Corporations and business owners who have to make decisions based on objective opinions and not mainstream media or governments. If I post everything that I follow it would be 70 to 150 events an hour. If you dig deep, and you use the tools on Twitter/Facebook/Telegram/TickTok etc, you can get an almost real-time update of what is happening, and it's 48 to 70 hours ahead of the global news networks. You can also see very clearly how the news travels around the world, how real and fake events disseminate across social media, and how a particular story (real or fake) is pushed and promoted. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Originally Posted By theskuh: Paid by whom? And opinions not backed up by facts are useless. Corporations and business owners who have to make decisions based on objective opinions and not mainstream media or governments. If I post everything that I follow it would be 70 to 150 events an hour. If you dig deep, and you use the tools on Twitter/Facebook/Telegram/TickTok etc, you can get an almost real-time update of what is happening, and it's 48 to 70 hours ahead of the global news networks. You can also see very clearly how the news travels around the world, how real and fake events disseminate across social media, and how a particular story (real or fake) is pushed and promoted. The problem with this approach is there's too much noise and not enough signal. It's far more effective to find sources that are demonstrably accurate over time and filter out the rest as noise like a telephone game. Further, making good decisions requires some knowledge and forethought on the future, not just a snapshot of what's happening today. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:09:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Maybe this counts as some levity? Maybe these Russians were planning to make some propaganda? Who knows. All I know is that EK1 and fieldgrau aren’t accurate!  Telegram “A strange company of occupiers came near Izium. They write English-language slogans, draw the letter Z on the helmet and take the "parade" form with them. That's just the parade they do not see, and they remained under the raisins. @LastBP 🛡 | @UA_struggle” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/4C786062-B315-4C42-80D3-90D8935635B4_jpe-2327728.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/535872EB-053D-45DC-8105-A034C4DA8E67_jpe-2327729.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/0F030671-11BB-42D7-BF3B-BF85CD03E439_jpe-2327730.JPG @DK-Prof @Ben Where did that M2 come from? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:09:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Heard on the radio that Russia is pulling their forces out of the Kiev area and moving them to Donbass to fight for that property. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:10:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Absolutely nailed it. The US and the West should say straight out that the sections continue until Ukraine is free and whole according to borders it had when Russia signed the Budapest memo, and they need to repeat it. The Russian people need to hear that their economy is going to suffer because Russia refuses to abide by its own agreements and refuses to respect its neighbors. It's not the US or NATO or the EU that's doing this to Russia, it's Putin. And to go further, if Putin were to succeed in annexing Ukraine, Russia should expect to NEVER trade with the West again. Putting the USSR back together means that in every way. Bread lines, empty store shelves, shoddy goods and not enough of them, misery for all. And did the planes make it to Ukraine yet? Hmm?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Good thread here. I suspect he is correct. Absolutely nailed it. The US and the West should say straight out that the sections continue until Ukraine is free and whole according to borders it had when Russia signed the Budapest memo, and they need to repeat it. The Russian people need to hear that their economy is going to suffer because Russia refuses to abide by its own agreements and refuses to respect its neighbors. It's not the US or NATO or the EU that's doing this to Russia, it's Putin. And to go further, if Putin were to succeed in annexing Ukraine, Russia should expect to NEVER trade with the West again. Putting the USSR back together means that in every way. Bread lines, empty store shelves, shoddy goods and not enough of them, misery for all. And did the planes make it to Ukraine yet? Hmm?? 100 percent agree |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:10:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Ukraine isn't our neighbor. Ukraine isn't our ally. What exactly are we supposed to do in this nuke scenario? Are we "obligated" to some kind of kinetic and possibly nuclear response if any nation on this planet gets nuked by another? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Originally Posted By Voland: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By NEXT23: No such thing. Its not WWII and the US the only one to have NUKES. If there is an "exchange", who is returning in the exchange.....because I've been told here that UA has none........so that leaves France, UK, and the good ole USA.......so who is returning fire? US will return fire. France lacks the balls, Britain would ask us, first. Israel doesn't care until Iran jumps, and Pakistan, India and China are their own problem. I think Russia will deploy a tactial nuke and try to pass it off as a command/control problem, and not a definitive act of the State. We are in uncharted territory ATM. I'm really not sure they would do it. You really think Biden/this administration has the balls to start nuclear war over a single tactical nuke used in Ukraine ? That line is getting pushed more and more... nukes getting used is like watching your across the street neighbors house get home invaded and the wife getting raped on the front lawn... if you don't do anything about that, you pretty much deserve what you get... Ukraine isn't our neighbor. Ukraine isn't our ally. What exactly are we supposed to do in this nuke scenario? Are we "obligated" to some kind of kinetic and possibly nuclear response if any nation on this planet gets nuked by another? While they may not be our neighbor, the most assuredly are our ally. Further, they are becoming more our ally as we provide what they need to defend themselves. Yes, we are "obligated" by both a sense of what is right and to make damn sure that an aggressive dictator is stopped in his tracks and thinks twice before threatening anyone. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:12:10 AM EDT
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Need to keep Russia stuck on the knife as long as possible to bleed them out and break them. Otherwise this is just a prelude.
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:12:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Or pulling them back for a NBC attack on Kiev and maybe a few other cities like Odessa. I think that's far more likely and announcing it is an attempt to lure Kiev into a false sense of relief, reduce their ability & inclination to prepare and to inflict the most casualties. Putin has no intention of reaching a truce, none. He's all out of fucks to give, his county is on its way to total ruin, there's no turning back now, burn it all to the ground and take his place in history with the same immortality as Hitler and the same monuments to his brutally as Auschwitz. Sadly  I think you are right.
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:13:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: They always wanted to be. The Kremlin/Yanukovych/Manafort team derailed that until 2014. At this point it's more about common decency, at least for me personally. Ukrainian people have shown themselves fundamentally brave and decent while Russia has literally symbolized the modern version of the Orcs. Even if I hate my neighbor how long could I stand by and watch some orcs murder their children in front of me? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:14:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: It never will under that kind of premise. Only way Ukraine gets it back is if they Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Yobro512: It’s all worthless unless Crimea goes back to Ukraine. It never will under that kind of premise. Only way Ukraine gets it back is if they FTFY |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:14:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weagle: Pretty sure it means Z-sky is going to sign over southern Ukraine to Putin so he's moving all his forces there to lock it down. That is what he wanted all along anyway. The other attacks to the North were to inflict enough pain that Ukraine is happy with the deal. The official Ukrainian position is a 15 year ceasefire after Russia withdraws to pre invasion boundaries and negotiations to follow. Ukraine won’t be eager to take a bad deal, their morale is high. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:19:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: As a self-hating academic, I do not disagree … especially since I personally know a number of Harvard faculty.  Giving authority or power to academics is a terrible idea. Like, a really terrible idea. Whiz Kids |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:20:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weagle: Pretty sure it means Z-sky is going to sign over southern Ukraine to Putin so he's moving all his forces there to lock it down. That is what he wanted all along anyway. The other attacks to the North were to inflict enough pain that Ukraine is happy with the deal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weagle: Originally Posted By Dagger41: Heard on the radio that Russia is pulling their forces out of the Kiev area and moving them to Donbass to fight for that property. IOW, they are getting their asses kicked and are beating feet. Pretty sure it means Z-sky is going to sign over southern Ukraine to Putin so he's moving all his forces there to lock it down. That is what he wanted all along anyway. The other attacks to the North were to inflict enough pain that Ukraine is happy with the deal.  Yeah. This was totally the plan. Almost 20k KIA, a few divisions worth of armor destroyed, half a dozen dead generals, a variety of systems captured for foreign intelligence exploitation... All in the plan. 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:21:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Or pulling them back for a NBC attack on Kiev and maybe a few other cities like Odessa. I think that's far more likely and announcing it is an attempt to lure Kiev into a false sense of relief, reduce their ability & inclination to prepare and to inflict the most casualties. Putin has no intention of reaching a truce, none. He's all out of fucks to give, his county is on its way to total ruin, there's no turning back now, burn it all to the ground and take his place in history with the same immortality as Hitler and the same monuments to his brutally as Auschwitz. Russia has no conventional capability equal to its day 1 operations. And it’s day 1 operations got wiped. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:21:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Rackham: Does reactive armor actually work? I'm seeing three hits on it with no apparent reaction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Rackham: Originally Posted By Dracster: Recaptured UA equipment in Kherson region https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-03-29_03-38-34_jpg-2330436.JPG Does reactive armor actually work? I'm seeing three hits on it with no apparent reaction. The brigade commander sold it, or the crews removed the explosives to burn for fuel in their makeshift still so they could drink the engine coolant without going totally blind. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:21:42 AM EDT
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Supposedly Putin is isolated somewhere in the Urals. If
the Russians use a tactical nuke, a retaliatory strike on his location would seem to be appropriate and not kill a lot of innocent civilians. Doesn't even matter if it doesn't kill Putin because he'd be unable to leave or communicate with the outside world. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:21:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Not that you are wrong, but if the last 40 years have proved the old WF Buckley joke that “He'd rather be ruled by the first 100 people in the Boston phone book than the Harvard faculty.” was prophetic. Our current maturation and vetting system to rise to positions of leadership and power are failing us. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Your “noted economist” is a felon with a high school education who spent 11 years in federal prison for defrauding investors. His opinions on international relations should probably be takes about as seriously as his investment advice.  Not that you are wrong, but if the last 40 years have proved the old WF Buckley joke that “He'd rather be ruled by the first 100 people in the Boston phone book than the Harvard faculty.” was prophetic. Our current maturation and vetting system to rise to positions of leadership and power are failing us. Buckley’s statement is a generality. So statistically, it’s true. You can’t pull it out to defend a single person that is obviously checkered. All generalities have exceptions, that don’t disprove the general wisdom. This is basic macroscopic/societal level logic. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:22:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: In terms of Ukraine's population, also note that there are estimated 5 million plus refugees who've left the country, and another 6 million plus "internally displaced persons," who've had to flee their homes but are still in-country. Having to take care of 6 million people creates its own drain on resources for Ukraine. Russia may be sucking wind in terms of military objectives, but their larger strategic destruction of Ukraine's economy is going extremely well. Oh, sure, Russia's economy is getting wrecked too, but does Putin care about that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Capta: Ukraine is still in the process of mobilizing its reserve manpower. In a country of 44 million, about 22 million are males. Of that 22 million, about 45% are “fighting age” - 18-50 years. Therefore there are about 9.9 million potential fighting men in Ukraine. If only 10% actually fight, that is 1 million men, significantly in excess of what Russia can muster let alone actually supply. As to supply, current events should clearly demonstrate how Ukraine will be supplied. It’s also quite likely that, with Russian barbarism becoming more evident with every passing day, Europe will clearly understand that they can either supply Ukraine to fight for them or they will have to fight in their own countries. In terms of Ukraine's population, also note that there are estimated 5 million plus refugees who've left the country, and another 6 million plus "internally displaced persons," who've had to flee their homes but are still in-country. Having to take care of 6 million people creates its own drain on resources for Ukraine. Russia may be sucking wind in terms of military objectives, but their larger strategic destruction of Ukraine's economy is going extremely well. Oh, sure, Russia's economy is getting wrecked too, but does Putin care about that? Based on reports, the vast majority of people who have left the country are women and children. We won't know the full extent of the displaced folks until the shooting stops. Then it will be time to rebuild. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:24:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: If Biden calls the shots, that means if Russia nukes Kiev, the US will also nuke Kiev to show we are willing to respond same with same. Just spit coffee everywhere |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:24:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Or pulling them back for a NBC attack on Kiev and maybe a few other cities like Odessa. I think that's far more likely and announcing it is an attempt to lure Kiev into a false sense of relief, reduce their ability & inclination to prepare and to inflict the most casualties. Putin has no intention of reaching a truce, none. He's all out of fucks to give, his county is on its way to total ruin, there's no turning back now, burn it all to the ground and take his place in history with the same immortality as Hitler and the same monuments to his brutally as Auschwitz. Probably more right than I am. The only only thing that will change Putin's mind is a bullet going through his head. Russia is screwed because of him. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:27:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Buckley’s statement is a generality. So statistically, it’s true. You can’t pull it out to defend a single person that is obviously checkered. All generalities have exceptions, that don’t disprove the general wisdom. This is basic macroscopic/societal level logic. I did 8 years in DC and got to brief or being involved in briefings to multiple elected and appointed officials, to include back benching for a brief to POTUS. That time remove all my illusion about who runs the government. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:28:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Re-posting the recent Kasparov tweet, because he is exactly correct (thanks to whoever posted it earlier). https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1508545477234597891.html Concern about Biden's statement about Putin not remaining in power is overblown. The real worry is his admin is not clear on what it hopes to achieve in supporting Ukraine. Without US leadership, the EU, NATO, and the rest will lose their nerve at the first opportunity. 1/13 Ambiguity is tactically useful, strategically disastrous. If a dictator is uncertain of your commitment and your goals, the chance of catastrophe rises. If you backtrack on simple statements, what else might you backtrack on? Sanctions? Treaty obligations? 2/13 Supporting Ukraine 100%, as Biden says he does, means giving them what they need and doing what needs to be done to enable Ukraine to win this war, not simply survive until Putin consolidates his occupation grip, commits more war crimes, & reloads for next time. 3/13 Putin cannot be confident he will win, but he assumes he can take a draw at any time, that the West will pressure Ukraine to accept his terms, as they have so many times before. They always want to talk. They always want his gas & oil, to offer sanctions relief. 4/13 Nations supporting Ukraine are giving comfort to Putin and conceding leverage by failing to state their aims. Is Ukraine to be free, intact & independent? So say sanctions are permanent and will increase as long as Ukrainian territory is occupied, including Crimea. 5/13 Is the West going to isolate war criminal Putin for bombing cities full of civilians into the ground, killing tens of thousands? Or is he still welcome at the table for the Iran deal, to sell energy, to negotiate for the country he has taken hostage? 6/13 Putin will see no reason to cease this destruction as long as his power in Russia is not threatened. He must feel that pressure to affect his decision-making. A decade of being diplomatic & failing to listen to Putin's own words is how we got to this tragic point. 7/13 It's not what Putin does when cornered that is worrying, it's what he does when he feels immune, when he is sure consequences can be avoided or weakened. It's a contagious feeling that runs down through his command structure in the military. Shake that confidence. 8/13 Dictators operate on fear. Putin has always appealed to the "everyone is afraid of us again" nostalgia element in Russia. Worse, he now believes it and the rest of the world has gone along instead of standing up to him. Shouldn't he be afraid instead? 9/13 Take away Putin's safety nets. He, his generals and commanders, his mafia, and ordinary Russians have to envision the end of Putin's rule. It should be clear to any admiral who fires WMD that they will die. His oligarchs must know they will never leave Russia. 10/13 Companies and nations still doing business with Putin's rogue state cannot have it both ways. That time is over, at long last. It is a time to pick a side. Those who do not renounce Putin & Russia are not diplomats, they are corrupt cowards. 11/13 This war will shape the world's direction for a generation and beyond, for good or ill. This is a fight for the values the free world supposedly holds dear. We need moral and strategic unity and clarity, not backtracking. 12/13 Ukraine needs weapons to win, not words of support and a partition stalemate. Ukraine deserves to know we are doing everything we can, not everything that Putin allows. Ukraine deserves to be whole, to be free, and to achieve victory. Glory to Ukraine. 13/13 ___________________________________________________________________________ JMHO, but Kasparov is 100% correct. As long as the economic and military/intel leaders of Russia under Putin fear him more than they fear consequences from the rest of the world, that will shape their choices in favor of doing what Putin demands. We need all of those dudes, right down to the front line junior and mid-grade officers who receive launch commands, to worry more about being wiped out, rather than catching a bullet from the next level of Putin thug above them. The people with something to lose (up to the oligarch level) need to be more certain that they will lose everything if they obey Putin, rather than the other way around. If that feeling doesn't permeate throughout the hierarchy, then Putin will always remain in control. ETA: Funny, we didn't need a chess grand master to explain this to us, but apparently the Biden admin needs to be reading more Tweets so they can have a coherent and credible foreign policy. Maybe Kasparov can make a catchy TikTok, and hope he gets invited to the White House? Powerful words and on the money. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:30:01 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Correct. Most people think that a jet fighter can shoot down an ICBM or that we have some magic weapon - we don't. And then there are MIRV warheads which make nukes even more impossible to intercept. Basically, a MIRV warhead splits into multiple warheads with each hitting specific target so if a Russian ICBM reaches above the upper midwest, the MIRV activates and then separates into maybe five nukes which target: Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Columbus, and Toledo. (Just an example as Detriot and Cleveland would do more damage to the US if they are just left alone...) But, leftists never wanted to spend any money on Strategic Defense Initiative-type defenses like Reagan-era "Star Wars" and some on the right didnt want any more money going to the "military industrial complex". So we are screwed. Also, and very important, the democrats/Carter scuttled the Office of Civil Defense so now we have none (outside of preppers and survivalists who prepare for nukes) and many on the right bought into the leftist lie that nuclear war is not survivable out of ignorance and laziness. Now the left and right are like little girls whining about everytime Biden opens his mouth because they fear a nuclear war with Putin. So, now Putin can threaten and do almost whatever he wants including yet another Russian genocide on the Ukrainian people. Next it will be Finland, then maybe Japan over the islands issue, then maybe even hanging-out-in-the-wind Estonia, then who knows maybe even Hawaii. For those not lazy and can admit to themselves that they dont really know about nuclear war preparedness and want to do what they can to protect their families, read the following: The Good News About Nuclear Destruction WHAT TO DO IF A NUCLEAR DISASTER IS IMMINENT! The owner of this company (along with Sen. Rick Santorum) saved the remaining civil defense radiation meters and calibration equipment that Clinton tried to destroy. Anyway, see this video as well:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc4xI544IzYAnd this is all relevant to this thread as there are hundreds of posts regarding the escalation of this war to nuclear war. The PBS interview I posted last night with the Putin's spokesperson from the Kremlin had nuclear war as its main topic. Interesting thing about MIRVs is it looks like the US have up all MIRVs on ICBMs (but kept them on the trident SLBMs), while the Russians didn’t give up MIRVs on their ICBMs. Great deal by GHWBush! not |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:30:50 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Pro-Russian channel on Telegram, there are others but you can find them yourself, I don't like to post gore. But, they are there..... Telegram Link Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By Yobro512: Pretty sure I just saw a video where Russians were literally stacking azov like cordwood. Description said they’d been waiting a long time to clean up Mariupol. :/ Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: Russians are showing off the dead Azov battalion fighters in Mariupol, piles and piles of dead bodies. Two claims of this with no evidence. The most recent mention of Azov was the Russian MoD claiming to have shot down a Mi-8 that was supposed to rescue Azov senior leadership, which ALSO sounds like bullshit. Pro-Russian channel on Telegram, there are others but you can find them yourself, I don't like to post gore. But, they are there..... Telegram Link That's a pro Russian channel, I'm not sure I'd put a lot of faith in it. Looking at one of the vids it looks like there bodies had a lot of burning around the face/mouth. Normal or did the Russians use something else on them. Another body had holes right where armor would go, kinda odd. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:31:21 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: I did 8 years in DC and got to brief or being involved in briefings to multiple elected and appointed officials, to include back benching for a brief to POTUS. That time remove all my illusion about who runs the government. Did you ever get to witness Col. Boyd testifying before a committee? 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:31:50 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: A solid Twitter account to follow for those who don't speak Russian is https://mobile.twitter.com/mdmitri91 He is an ethnic Russian Estonian who translates to English. Something I find outrageously funny is that some Russians are upset at the pace of things and are wanting now General Kadyrov to be placed in command of the invasion. This throws a tiny wrench into the point of view that some retards on this site have that "Russia is a white Christian country that hates Muslims as much as me". Face it: A lot of people just aren't very discerning. They form opinions with the smallest tidbits of information and then cling to their opinions with all the force they can muster no matter how much counter-evidence is presented. It's a total scourge of our vapid society and affects all facets of daily life. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:31:55 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Thanks. That unfortunately fits the description. Although it’s possible they just found their stash of casualties. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: Pro-Russian channel on Telegram, there are others but you can find them yourself, I don't like to post gore. But, they are there..... Telegram Link Thanks. That unfortunately fits the description. Although it’s possible they just found their stash of casualties. Being as they were all in bags, your theory is interesting. Why bother bagging enemy bodies? Wouldn't Russians just typically toss them in a pit? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:32:52 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Croak: FTFY I knew I was using the wrong word there. Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:33:06 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Everyone building bunkers would be better served spending the money to develop a food plot and long term storage. Can't eat a geiger counter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: True. Everyone building bunkers would be better served spending the money to develop a food plot and long term storage. Can't eat a geiger counter. They need to do both. And a fallout shelter can be built in a basement. You can't eat if you are dying of radiation sickness. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:33:34 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: Did you ever get to witness Col. Boyd testifying before a committee? That was well before my time, I did get invited to one of his protégé CAS conferences as I had been Fires billets most of my time in the military. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:37:25 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Heard on the radio that Russia is pulling their forces out of the Kiev area and moving them to Donbass to fight for that property. IOW, they are getting their asses kicked and are beating feet. Unless that was the plan all along, or became the plan after “shock and awe” didn’t have the desired result. Keep the main forces tied up defending the capitol and other areas while they get a better hold on all of Donbass. When they’re good, pull the forces back east to solidify their hold. At such time that they are even more dug in and harder to route in hopes that when it comes to negotiations, Zelenski will just say “F it, you can keep them” |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:41:05 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: I am posting what I am seeing on both sides of this conflict, I guess the truth of the situation is hard to swallow. I don't like it, but I don't trust any media outlets on any side of this war. I purposely don't post what I think is propaganda from both sides, but if you want to look for what is really happening you need to see the gains or losses on both sides of this conflict. Would you like me to sugarcoat it, or only post what is favorable to western ideals? I am pro-Ukrainian, pro-western, pro-USA, pro-NATO, but I am anti-bullshit on both sides. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Originally Posted By theskuh: Every morning you post some variation of pro Russian crap. "I have seen tons of videos" yet post none or one that doesn't even show what you say is happening "Tons of bodies" " laser guided weapons are wiping them out etc. Every morning i get up and read the same exact post from you. Every morning. What is it going to be tomorrow? I am posting what I am seeing on both sides of this conflict, I guess the truth of the situation is hard to swallow. I don't like it, but I don't trust any media outlets on any side of this war. I purposely don't post what I think is propaganda from both sides, but if you want to look for what is really happening you need to see the gains or losses on both sides of this conflict. Would you like me to sugarcoat it, or only post what is favorable to western ideals? I am pro-Ukrainian, pro-western, pro-USA, pro-NATO, but I am anti-bullshit on both sides.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:42:10 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Your "noted economist" is a felon with a high school education who spent 11 years in federal prison for defrauding investors. His opinions on international relations should probably be takes about as seriously as his investment advice. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By Riter: Noted economist Martin Armstrong wrote: [ Your "noted economist" is a felon with a high school education who spent 11 years in federal prison for defrauding investors. His opinions on international relations should probably be takes about as seriously as his investment advice. I had a feeling you'd take exception to that guy. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:45:11 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: That's a pro Russian channel, I'm not sure I'd put a lot of faith in it. Looking at one of the vids it looks like there bodies had a lot of burning around the face/mouth. Normal or did the Russians use something else on them. Another body had holes right where armor would go, kinda odd. I don't put faith in any pro-russian channel, they are inherently biased and used for their own gains. But in places like Marinopul, there is only one side posting regular updates, so we only get news from one side, unfortunately. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:46:28 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ad_nauseam: Channel called Glory to Z. No way they could be biased or fake. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ad_nauseam: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: Pro-Russian channel on Telegram, there are others but you can find them yourself, I don't like to post gore. But, they are there..... Telegram Link Thanks. That unfortunately fits the description. Although it’s possible they just found their stash of casualties. Channel called Glory to Z. No way they could be biased or fake. Those guys will always be remembered. Even their enemies will remember them. I only hope that if we are ever surrounded and abandoned, thrown under the bus by a bunch of separatist turncoats, and forced to fight a numerically superior force for our right to exist, that we do it to the death the way they did. Those guys are all class. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:46:59 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: So the invasion so far hasn't been brutal enough to suit the Russian public's taste? You've been right all along about these people. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/EgcB5I3-51.gif To be fair: We're in this thread being happy about Russians getting killed so I don't know why that would surprise you. Also keep in mind that the Russian population gets nothing but propaganda fed to them 24/7. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:50:27 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Openly admitting it means a lie. They may pull out, then ua moves their troops elsewhere, and Belarus invades. Or they keep enough there to tie up ua forces while flooding the se They don't release information or statements just for the sake of informing. There's always an ulterior motive. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:50:30 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Also keep in mind that the Russian population gets nothing but propaganda fed to them 24/7. So, just like the US population then. 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:50:56 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Yeah. This was totally the plan. Almost 20k KIA, a few divisions worth of armor destroyed, half a dozen dead generals, a variety of systems captured for foreign intelligence exploitation... All in the plan. The mental gymnastics at play here is incredible.
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:51:31 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: To be fair: We're in this thread being happy about Russians getting killed so I don't know why that would surprise you. Also keep in mind that the Russian population gets nothing but propaganda fed to them 24/7. The host of the Eastern Border Podcast did mention one of the popular Russian Language Podcasts he listens to is hosted by a Putin opposition party spokesman, And that guy hits on Putin and his Government for not being ruthless enough |
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