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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:58:52 PM EST
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All this talk of nations culture reminds me of a old book the USSR put out about itself. It had the USSR all divided up into many regions with people wearing colorful dresses local to that region. American culture was too busy giving Brezhnev nightmares to bother with that.
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:01:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Waldo: I have a theory that all of those E3's are feeding info to what's left of the Ukrainian AD system so they can leave their radars off until the last minute so as to not be targeted. I'm just an idiot and don't know if it's even possible.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Waldo: Originally Posted By M-1975:
I have a theory that all of those E3's are feeding info to what's left of the Ukrainian AD system so they can leave their radars off until the last minute so as to not be targeted. I'm just an idiot and don't know if it's even possible. Something is keeping the RuAF from doing what they should have been doing,obviously. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:01:51 PM EST
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:03:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Guys can we be less tarded in this thread if I wanted full retarded I would read the other threads in GD. This is really the only thread I am willing to read GD just makes me sick. I am only half tarded so please dial back the tard a little My bad. Sorry. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:03:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Defected Russian soldiers & Anti-Putin Russians allegedly fighting under "Freedom of Russia" Legion  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Lr72QDLNEhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:04:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Overall, Hungary and Orban got PROMISES but no reassurances on gas and power for Hungary. The EU has asked Hungary multiple times to stop its PAK2 nuclear power station and to go to gas  or buy it on the market and the EU will help subsidize. Hungary tried to work a hydro program with Slovakia but that failed because of cost and other factors such it will fuck up the Danube river.Hungary continues to finish the Paks station because we don't trust the EU and its promises that it dangles with subsidies. Hungary will take an active role once the situation with ethnic Hungarians is secure by Ukraine and also that Hungarys power and energy needs are fulfilled and aren't in danger of being blackmailed. France was close to making promises and a good deal but even the EU atomic agency wanted Hungary to buy fuel from them instead of Russia. Hungary said FINE....but give us the same rate like the Russians....EU balked and said we can't do that..... Hungary is still poor and while not an excuse....they wanted to get the best terms and take care of their own country. Right now the EU is getting dicey because of Russian gas and oil and what will happen if it is cut off. Hungary doesn't have that issue. Personally....Hungary should have accepted favorable terms from places like Japan and other nuclear places that stated they can meet and match Russias Rosatom bid and proposal. In the end...security for ethnic Hungarians....and power and the economy not effected. Hungary will go aboard with that. Want Orbans attention.. offer good terms on the atomic program and fast track it.... All that Hungarian oppression by the Ukrainians in Transcarpatia is bullshit stired up by Orban and Putin. Orbans been sucking Putins cock for years. Lots of dirty money from Russia. Orban (his family and associates) has taken bribes from Russia. The oppression of Hungarians is such bullshit. What did happen is that the Hungarian embassy started giving Hungarian passports to ethnic Hungarians (funny because it’s like calling French Canadians French) part true part lie. Hungary timed this coincidently with Russia pushing passports in their occupied territories. How do I know, I spent a month and a honeymoon in Transcarpathia. They speak a mix of polish/Ukraianian And Hungarian. This whole issue was Russia proxy bullshit via Orban. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:04:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/ Sigh 22er |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:06:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Much of the American Right has been opposed to nationalism for a very long time, myself included, as well as being in opposition to other ideas originating in the French Revolution (such as socialism). I don't consider it a good ideological trait at all and it tends to lead to bad things, whether intended or not. Also, some of what Orban has been doing is dangerous and can easily lead to outright tyranny, which is why most of the Right has opposed moves in that direction in this country, as tempting as it can be, especially given how much a threat the Left has become (I can definitely sympathize with Orban on that note). American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. America is a group of States (nations). What you describe is very much more localized that way. We o say they have no national identity? I’m not sure what that means. All the family you could ever document is from there for a couple hundred years. You don’t think of yourself as being from “America” but from Georgia, or Texas, or California that you could argue have richer more galvanizing history than many of the European countries. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:07:10 PM EST
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Kherson:
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USA
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:08:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Sigh 22er Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By sneedsville: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/ Sigh 22er Could have sworn you said less, not more. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:10:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Based on the pics of a lot of the russian equip. t bet the tune on them isn't very good, I think they would break down on the way |
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USA
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:10:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: America is a group of States (nations). What you describe is very much more localized that way. We o say they have no national identity? I’m not sure what that means. All the family you could ever document is from there for a couple hundred years. You don’t think of yourself as being from “America” but from Georgia, or Texas, or California that you could argue have richer more galvanizing history than many of the European countries. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Much of the American Right has been opposed to nationalism for a very long time, myself included, as well as being in opposition to other ideas originating in the French Revolution (such as socialism). I don't consider it a good ideological trait at all and it tends to lead to bad things, whether intended or not. Also, some of what Orban has been doing is dangerous and can easily lead to outright tyranny, which is why most of the Right has opposed moves in that direction in this country, as tempting as it can be, especially given how much a threat the Left has become (I can definitely sympathize with Orban on that note). American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. America is a group of States (nations). What you describe is very much more localized that way. We o say they have no national identity? I’m not sure what that means. All the family you could ever document is from there for a couple hundred years. You don’t think of yourself as being from “America” but from Georgia, or Texas, or California that you could argue have richer more galvanizing history than many of the European countries. It isn't relevant. Nobody fucking cares. It disrupts the ability to actually get news people do care about. But, carry on if you must.  |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:11:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164007/Screen_Shot_2020-11-18_at_6_16_25_PM-1690484.png  |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:11:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Krater: 220 million euro for economy the size of Estonia is huge. Proportionally, it's like if US donated 1.5 trillion dollars to Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Krater: Originally Posted By Chokey:
220 million euro for economy the size of Estonia is huge. Proportionally, it's like if US donated 1.5 trillion dollars to Ukraine. these motherfuckers spend 1.5T on a tuesday for funsies, they might as well |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:12:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dinlong: The fact that the US is well over 200 times the size of Estonia and much less homologous with far more varied geography and climate would tend to dictate that nationalism/patriotism would look far different. That said, if you think most Americans aren't fiercely proud of what we have and very invested in protecting what we have you don't understand America at all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dinlong: Originally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. The fact that the US is well over 200 times the size of Estonia and much less homologous with far more varied geography and climate would tend to dictate that nationalism/patriotism would look far different. That said, if you think most Americans aren't fiercely proud of what we have and very invested in protecting what we have you don't understand America at all. He has lost his mind. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:12:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: Originally Posted By 7empest: Guys can we be less tarded in this thread if I wanted full retarded I would read the other threads in GD. This is really the only thread I am willing to read GD just makes me sick. I am only half tarded so please dial back the tard a little https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/ A US 3 star... Leading troops... In battle? 
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:12:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Kherson:
Yep, they ain't going anywhere unless they can swim.  |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:13:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalTader: I second this. Big thanks to those posting links!  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalTader: Originally Posted By TheLurker: Can we please stop derailing this thread with arguments about US nationhood? Take it to another thread ffs. I second this. Big thanks to those posting links! +1 for keeping with the war! With a small ad on having grown up in a 'new' country (not US) and living in old Yurp Nationalism and identity is just different. The US is a different nation for different reasons and dynamics than old style Euro nations. I hope we can at least agree that we all here like Russian shit being blown the fuck up. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:13:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Could have sworn you said less, not more. That my friend is what full retard looks like... 
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:14:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Sigh 22er Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By sneedsville: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/ Sigh 22er Now what was that you said about retardation?  ETA- damn it, I got beat on that joke.
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:14:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: The amount of work to have a good working tank after traveling that far would be staggering to many. Also those engines burn oil at a rate so fast that at least one of the external tanks is filled with oil. Lots of PM per mile I imagine,there equip. is shit, curious about the amount of tires and rims missing from many, and many up on blocks |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:15:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: In the beginning, like WWI, when the threat was machine guns and barbed wire, tanks led the way, always. In WWII, if you are up against machine guns and infantry, tanks lead the way. Mostly because comms is always bad and the tanks like a nice sector of fire in front of them. And hiding behind a tank is bad because they draw fire. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:15:25 PM EST
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:15:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Kherson:
No quarter for them. They lost the ability to surrender when the raped and pillaged like it was medieval times. They need to be hanging from bridges and put on pikes at the border as warning to those who will come behind them. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:16:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/ X doubt |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:16:45 PM EST
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Izyum - hoping the UA forces don’t get pocketed. More to come.
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:17:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: He's a war monger just like Clinton and Bush. God help us if the other two are there with the Kenyan advising impotent Biden. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By AeroE: Originally Posted By vmax84: Originally Posted By klinc: Originally Posted By realwar: Meanwhile today at the White House Nobody Wants To Talk To Joe Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_lF3n9bbZgJeez, I thought I looked like an idiot in a social setting. lol. can relate. The room is sucking his boss's dick and can't make time to talk to a tater. Why is The Kenyan there anyway? He's a war monger just like Clinton and Bush. God help us if the other two are there with the Kenyan advising impotent Biden. Obama a “warmonger”…  Fucking GD… |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:18:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: X doubt Thought it was stupid enough that people would get a chuckle out of it. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:18:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: Originally Posted By 7empest: Guys can we be less tarded in this thread if I wanted full retarded I would read the other threads in GD. This is really the only thread I am willing to read GD just makes me sick. I am only half tarded so please dial back the tard a little https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/ LOL Somebody is conning the GRU of out of their IW Rubles  "Minutes ago, the general showed up on his Linkdin account and we are told that the ranks of retirees and crisis actors (yes they exist) are being scoured for fat bald types that can be green-screened into a show and tell with Zelensky, believed to be hiding in Poland." |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:19:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Overall, Hungary and Orban got PROMISES but no reassurances on gas and power for Hungary. The EU has asked Hungary multiple times to stop its PAK2 nuclear power station and to go to gas or buy it on the market and the EU will help subsidize. Hungary tried to work a hydro program with Slovakia but that failed because of cost and other factors such it will fuck up the Danube river.Hungary continues to finish the Paks station because we don't trust the EU and its promises that it dangles with subsidies. Hungary will take an active role once the situation with ethnic Hungarians is secure by Ukraine and also that Hungarys power and energy needs are fulfilled and aren't in danger of being blackmailed. France was close to making promises and a good deal but even the EU atomic agency wanted Hungary to buy fuel from them instead of Russia. Hungary said FINE....but give us the same rate like the Russians....EU balked and said we can't do that..... Hungary is still poor and while not an excuse....they wanted to get the best terms and take care of their own country. Right now the EU is getting dicey because of Russian gas and oil and what will happen if it is cut off. Hungary doesn't have that issue. Personally....Hungary should have accepted favorable terms from places like Japan and other nuclear places that stated they can meet and match Russias Rosatom bid and proposal. In the end...security for ethnic Hungarians....and power and the economy not effected. Hungary will go aboard with that. Want Orbans attention.. offer good terms on the atomic program and fast track it.... You are correct. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:19:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Now what was that you said about retardation? ETA- damn it, I got beat on that joke. I didn't see it as a challenge but I guess he did lol |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:19:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: The entire tank would have left an entire tank footprint. A comment on the video said it "went to tank hell." Works for me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: Originally Posted By Rustler: Originally Posted By M-1975:
I'm guessing the turret popped off and landed hard on the weak asphalt. No way that is an entire tank The entire tank would have left an entire tank footprint. A comment on the video said it "went to tank hell." Works for me. Rest of tank is near the white house, looking back from the turret. 
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:20:17 PM EST
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Joint Chiefs Chair Mark Milley demands nuclear sea-launched cruise missiles, warns 'potential for significant international conflict' with China and Russia is 'increasing' and says Ukraine war could last 'years'
VIDEO The country's most senior military officer on Tuesday delivered a grave warning that the world is becoming more unstable, increasing the chances of deadly conflict between the U.S. and other world powers. As he laid out details of the threat, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley also split with the White House on its decision to cancel plans for a new sea-launched nuclear missile. And he said the U.S. and allies should prepare for the war in Ukraine to last for years. Milley appeared with other senior military figures before the House Armed Services Committee to discuss the Pentagon's proposed proposed $773 billion budget for next year. He did it against the backdrop of Russia's war in Ukraine, and almost daily warnings that China is flexing its muscles in the Indo-Pacific and around the world. 'The United States is at a very critical and historic geo-strategic inflection point,' he said. 'We are entering a world that is becoming more unstable and the potential for significant international conflict between great powers is increasing, not decreasing. 'The United States needs to pursue a cleareyed strategy of maintaining the peace through unambiguous capability of strength relative to the People's Republic of China and Russia.'  Soon after he delivered his comments, the White House announced the U.S. would work with the U.S. and Australia in developing hypersonic weapons. It follows warnings that the U.S. was falling behind China in several areas of defence technology, from Artificial Intelligence to hypersonics - with missiles that can accelerate to 25 times the speed of sound and evade air defense systems. Milley said hypersonic weapons would provide 'transformational warfighting' abilities as he laid out the threats to national security. 'We are witness to the greatest threat to the peace and security of Europe and perhaps the world in my 42 years of service in uniform,' he said. 'The Russian invasion of Ukraine is threatening to undermine the global peace and stability that my parents - and generations of Americans - fought so hard to defend.' Later, during the question and answer part of his testimony, he was asked how long the conflict in Ukraine might last. 'There is much of the ground war left in Ukraine, but I do think this is a very protracted conflict,' he said, 'And I think it's at least measured in years. I don't know about decades but at least years for sure. This is a very extended conflict that Russia has initiated. 'And and I think that N.A.T.O., the United States, Ukraine and all of the allies and partners supporting Ukraine are going to be involved in this for quite some time.' He was also asked about the need to shift more forces to Europe's eastern flank, where N.A.T.O. allies fear they they may be Russia's next target. Continued |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:20:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: No quarter for them. They lost the ability to surrender when the raped and pillaged like it was medieval times. They need to be hanging from bridges and put on pikes at the border as warning to those who will come behind them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Kherson:
No quarter for them. They lost the ability to surrender when the raped and pillaged like it was medieval times. They need to be hanging from bridges and put on pikes at the border as warning to those who will come behind them. At this point, any of them could've done what that kid did that was on video a few pages back. "Wait, we were lied to and what we're doing here is wrong. I'm laying down my gun, turning myself over to the Ukrainians, and calling my family to tell them how wrong this is." Seems simple enough to me, unless you approve of what's happening. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:21:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: Originally Posted By 7empest: Guys can we be less tarded in this thread if I wanted full retarded I would read the other threads in GD. This is really the only thread I am willing to read GD just makes me sick. I am only half tarded so please dial back the tard a little https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:22:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: Thought it was stupid enough that people would get a chuckle out of it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: Originally Posted By cryo_tech: X doubt Thought it was stupid enough that people would get a chuckle out of it. Oh thank God. The problem is there are people dumb enough to post that for real so its hard to tell when someone is posting it as a joke. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:23:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd: I didn't mean to come off as less than sympathetic. I appreciated your in depth explanation. The geographic isolation of the United States means that we aren't often exposed to the reality of hostile neighbors right next door. Unfortunately, taking a position of "we refuse to take an official position unless we gain desired concessions" has poor optics when it comes to doing the right thing. Sometimes doing the right thing isn't directly beneficial or easy. I agree. Instead of just thinking about what is most beneficial to Hungary, they should do what is right and moral. It's so obvious who the very bad people are in this conflict. Women and children are being intentionally slaughtered daily. To me it's an easy choice. Hungary fucking joined NATO. NATO stands against Russia. Do the NATO business already, ya'll have already chosen a side. If Hungary was so scared of Russian reprisals they should have never joined NATO and declared themselves neutral. It's too late to play neutral AFTER joining NATO. As a Hungarian I'm very frustrated!!! |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:25:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: It’s really not the thread for it but if I didn’t stand by it would not have said it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Just stop there. No actually, he should keep going. I like these dissections of American Nationalism viz Euro Nationalism. It’s really not the thread for it but if I didn’t stand by it would not have said it. the new W_E_G |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:25:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Lots of PM per mile I imagine,there equip. is shit, curious about the amount of tires and rims missing from many, and many up on blocks Here is some data on a basic T72 engine.  |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:25:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. Remember a couple hundred pages ago when I said you put out good info but then insulted and condescended to people you need to support you? You're doing it again... |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:26:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: America is a group of States (nations). What you describe is very much more localized that way. We o say they have no national identity? I'm not sure what that means. All the family you could ever document is from there for a couple hundred years. You don't think of yourself as being from "America" but from Georgia, or Texas, or California that you could argue have richer more galvanizing history than many of the European countries. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Much of the American Right has been opposed to nationalism for a very long time, myself included, as well as being in opposition to other ideas originating in the French Revolution (such as socialism). I don't consider it a good ideological trait at all and it tends to lead to bad things, whether intended or not. Also, some of what Orban has been doing is dangerous and can easily lead to outright tyranny, which is why most of the Right has opposed moves in that direction in this country, as tempting as it can be, especially given how much a threat the Left has become (I can definitely sympathize with Orban on that note). American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of "being an American means I believe in freedom" but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn't matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee's tomorrow that it's impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. America is a group of States (nations). What you describe is very much more localized that way. We o say they have no national identity? I'm not sure what that means. All the family you could ever document is from there for a couple hundred years. You don't think of yourself as being from "America" but from Georgia, or Texas, or California that you could argue have richer more galvanizing history than many of the European countries.  Attached FileAnyways back to the war. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:26:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneedsville: Thought it was stupid enough that people would get a chuckle out of it. Alright you got me sorry 22er
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:27:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stutzmech: Lots of PM per mile I imagine,there equip. is shit, curious about the amount of tires and rims missing from many, and many up on blocks |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:27:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vampgrrl: I am not wrong. We are a federal republic, and one characterised by sectional and cultural differences since before independence. We don't have a unifying culture, just really some concept of freedom (and really the only thing that keeps this place together at this point is the economic market). https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*lt4zbxt5zJzj6wlgaWbZNA.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vampgrrl: Originally Posted By Balu: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/deOINby-52.gif That may be your opinion but it's objectively and categorically wrong. A single unified ethnic group does not a nation make, and hardly any country would qualify as a nation if the definition required monolithic ethnicity. No nation in Europe consists 100% of a single ethnic group. So that idea is totally false. Also, no nation exists where everyone agrees with everyone else all the time. So, just because there are political factions and disagreements in a country that does not mean that it's not a nation. Again, by that standard no country could be considered a nation because there are different points of view and people with clashing agendas everywhere. The United States is definitely a nation, or if it isn't then there is no such thing as a "nation" at all. It's actually been one of the strongest and most clearly defined nations in the world, and even now it would be if not for the corruption of the American political class. Everyday Americans agree on more than they disagree. I am not wrong. We are a federal republic, and one characterised by sectional and cultural differences since before independence. We don't have a unifying culture, just really some concept of freedom (and really the only thing that keeps this place together at this point is the economic market). https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*lt4zbxt5zJzj6wlgaWbZNA.png None of which proves the ridiculous idea that the United States is not a nation. nation nā′shən noun 1. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country. 2. The territory occupied by such a group of people. 3. The government of a sovereign state. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:29:59 PM EST
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:30:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Alright you got me sorry 22er Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By sneedsville: Thought it was stupid enough that people would get a chuckle out of it. Alright you got me sorry 22er I got got too.. Had to reset my brain
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:30:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Oh thank God. The problem is there are people dumb enough to post that for real so its hard to tell when someone is posting it as a joke. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By sneedsville: Originally Posted By cryo_tech: X doubt Thought it was stupid enough that people would get a chuckle out of it. Oh thank God. The problem is there are people dumb enough to post that for real so its hard to tell when someone is posting it as a joke. Isn't that funny how that's one of the sites listed in the Rand report on Russian propaganda filtering through western press/social media that some were shitting on many pages back? Things that make you go, "Hmmm..."  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:32:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Do you think they don’t know? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/835E190E-9C01-4559-94AD-A9FA5B0619CC_jpe-2339103.JPG Of course they do. Many just refuse to do anything about it... |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:33:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: Take parts off one, to make another run. Take critical parts of busted ones to keep others running later. If I go to a jumkyard I am likely to find that the part I want for my car is also broken on similar cars. That's because it's always the same stuff that breaks. I expect that would be the same on similar tanks. If a part breaks on one tank, it is likely that same part is already broken or has been taken on other broken tanks. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 7:34:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: None of which proves the ridiculous idea that the United States is not a nation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: Originally Posted By vampgrrl: Originally Posted By Balu: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/deOINby-52.gif That may be your opinion but it's objectively and categorically wrong. A single unified ethnic group does not a nation make, and hardly any country would qualify as a nation if the definition required monolithic ethnicity. No nation in Europe consists 100% of a single ethnic group. So that idea is totally false. Also, no nation exists where everyone agrees with everyone else all the time. So, just because there are political factions and disagreements in a country that does not mean that it's not a nation. Again, by that standard no country could be considered a nation because there are different points of view and people with clashing agendas everywhere. The United States is definitely a nation, or if it isn't then there is no such thing as a "nation" at all. It's actually been one of the strongest and most clearly defined nations in the world, and even now it would be if not for the corruption of the American political class. Everyday Americans agree on more than they disagree. I am not wrong. We are a federal republic, and one characterised by sectional and cultural differences since before independence. We don't have a unifying culture, just really some concept of freedom (and really the only thing that keeps this place together at this point is the economic market). https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*lt4zbxt5zJzj6wlgaWbZNA.png None of which proves the ridiculous idea that the United States is not a nation. nation nā′shən noun 1. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country. 2. The territory occupied by such a group of people. 3. The government of a sovereign state. Sure be cool if y’all could take this to your own thread. |
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