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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:59:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CharlieR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wulfmann: Confession of ignorance (No disrespect intended) Aside from Ploesti and the complete saturation bombing of Normandy to break the stalemate the only thing the allied bombing campaign did was prove we could be as murderous to civilians as the Nazis and force the Germans to become self sufficient without above ground facilities The post war negative affects alone crippled British conscience once the public became aware of the barbarity of bomber command's intentional war on women and children In fairness many British officers were adamantly opposed to the bombing campaign of Germany as it had no military value and was a war crime Of course war crimes are only committed by the losers. Winners of wars can laugh at the dead bodies of children You are correct. You are full of ignorance In 1943 the goal was for strategic bombing to destroy industry and stop the German war machine. it failed. Strategic bombing drew a lot of German troops into Air defense. Troops that weren't driving tanks or being industry. It also drew a lot of high tech firms into making AA radars who could have been producing other things. Over one million Germans were committed to air defense. The US realized to make strategic bombing effective they'd have to destroy the Luftwaffe. They pretty much destroyed most of the German fighters by D-Day. So strategic bombing gave the allies air superiority, which enabled reconnaissance, close air support, protected the ground troops, allowed the US to commit very few troops into antiaircraft, and enabled rapid resupply like the red ball express where noone gave a shit about things like camouflage. Starting around 1944 the Allies shut down German fuel industry, which hampered their tanks, cut training to zero, and enabled wins at battles like Arrancourt as German tankers couldn't train as they had little to no spare gas for training. And in maneuver battles in the East, and the Battle of the Bulge, tanks getting abandoned as they ran out of gas was increasingly common. There were significant impacts to German industry and weapons, but its hard to quantify that as the Germans were very inefficient in 1943, cleaned up their act in 1944 while being bombed, and while bombing had an impact there were so many variables its hard to quantify. Ploesti 1943 was an ineffective failure and actually, it was German hydrogenation, which I'm sure as you well know is partial conversion of coal into liquid fuels by treatment with hydrogen gas under pressure, that needed to get targeted to shut down the German petroleum production capabilities. Far more critical was the IG Farben synthetic oil facility at Leuna. Naturally. Other then that...well, whatever. Thankfully, the Russian Orc Air Force is complete hot garbage and cant replicate a bombing offensive designed by planners who are no longer alive. 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:04:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Back on-track. Fuck commies and their simps in GD. GLORY TO UKRAINE! Background brief from senior DOD spox today.
Life under the heel of the orcs in Melitopol.
Shit is kicking off in the east.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:04:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: Yes, you've made your viewpoint very clear that if a country has corrupt leadership, the citizens deserve to be genocided. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: Sigh. If your homeland is one corrupt politician/govt/dictator/genocide/dirty war/holodomor shit show after another perhaps it’s wiser to find another homeland you know like your ancestors and the ancestors of most of this country did. Unless you have two potatoes, that might be worth dying for. Yes, you've made your viewpoint very clear that if a country has corrupt leadership, the citizens deserve to be genocided. Reading comprehension fail status check complete. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:04:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Until now, I did not have a single person on this site on ignore. You now have that singular honor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: I would fight 1000 times harder to leave Ukraine than I ever would fight to protect it. You last paragraph is inaccurate. Until now, I did not have a single person on this site on ignore. You now have that singular honor. One thing that sucks about this war is hiw much its divided us here, and I'm to blame also for that. I've attacked other for being Russian shills etc. Because I whole heartedly believe that the Ukrainians need all the help we can give them. But I don't want to make the divide wider here between members. Trolls excluded of course. But I do recognize that others may have a differing opinion than myself but doesn't mean they are not just as American as me. Just my 2 cents carry on |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:05:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunslinger808: On an off note, I haven’t seen anyone explain why the Orcs have “Z” painted on their vehicles, what does the Z stand for? Dirt nap? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:07:05 PM EDT
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Guys, with the recent developments in Ukraine I think we need to try to refocus on the war and stop responding to trolls and asshats. It's going to be hard enough to find info on what's happening.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:07:11 PM EDT
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Shit going down in the east.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:09:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th:
Damn, so this is it. The big push? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:09:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th:
Damn, so this is it. The big push? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:12:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Damn, so this is it. The big push? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
Damn, so this is it. The big push? 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:13:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: FYI, Alex Jones / InfoWars filed for bankruptcy today. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By TylerF: Wonder how Russell Bentley is doing? Ask Alex Jones or his frequent guest and InfoWars guest host Gerald Celente of the Trends Journal: From the Front Line in Ukraine [with Russel Bentley] - Gerald Celente, March 4th, 2022  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeHwVsPrbOwThey like promoting Bentley and his cause to their audiences, but never mention that Bentley is a diehard communist. Lol that guy is so full of shit. Can probably reverse Ukraine and Russia and get a better idea of the truth FYI, Alex Jones / InfoWars filed for bankruptcy today. They didn't see *that* coming. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:13:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Illegible_Signature]
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NVM, already covered well by others.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:14:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NBCMarine: Reading comprehension fail status check complete. Please escort Comrade NBCMarine to the local party headquarters. Thank you for your service in this thread, You're excused. 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:15:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Shit going down in the east.
Will be interesting to see how this phase goes down. The Russians put themselves at a huge disadvantage trying to do go fast stuff with a shit teir conscript army. They might have realized how much they suck now so things are probably going to get tougher. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:16:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ghostmonkey: I stopped giving a shit about what Tim Pool thinks about Ukraine when earlier in the conflict he was borderline calling the war crimes Russia is committing "Ukrainian propaganda" and excusing civilian deaths as basically collateral damage. Even though by that time tons of videos had already been released showing Russians gunning down random civilians in cars as well as them executing that couple they stopped in the middle of the street. He was about 90% right re: covid but he's been off his rocker about this Rus/UKR thing. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:16:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Please escort Comrade NBCMarine to the local party headquarters. Thank you for your service in this thread, You're excused. https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/what-happened-to-boris-from-chernobyl-1905587.jpg?r=1561585559098 |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:17:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NBCMarine: Reading comprehension fail status check complete. Check fire |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:18:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: That's funny, I just had a medical doctor friend of 10 years who is a conservative Charasmatic Christian and another friend of 40 years who is also a Charismatic Christian, tell me that this is all bullshit and that the video footage is from Afghanistan and that the Ukrainian army are killing their own people. They both also said that Putin is the good guy and that Ukrainians are all Nazis run by the CIA. No shit, many conservative Christians are rooting for Putin and deny all this. Pretty fucking sad. Just heard a Christian talk show this morning called What's Right What's Left where the host, a pastor, had a guy on spouting the same bullshit. The pastor/host had been raising money for some Christian groups in Ukraine. I wonder if he will stop. (I didnt hear the whole episode and will have to check on who the guest was.) So, if anyone wants to know why I post so much info about Kremlin propaganda affecting conservatives in the USA, this is why. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Appeal by UA 36th Marines BDE CO from Mariupol.
That's funny, I just had a medical doctor friend of 10 years who is a conservative Charasmatic Christian and another friend of 40 years who is also a Charismatic Christian, tell me that this is all bullshit and that the video footage is from Afghanistan and that the Ukrainian army are killing their own people. They both also said that Putin is the good guy and that Ukrainians are all Nazis run by the CIA. No shit, many conservative Christians are rooting for Putin and deny all this. Pretty fucking sad. Just heard a Christian talk show this morning called What's Right What's Left where the host, a pastor, had a guy on spouting the same bullshit. The pastor/host had been raising money for some Christian groups in Ukraine. I wonder if he will stop. (I didnt hear the whole episode and will have to check on who the guest was.) So, if anyone wants to know why I post so much info about Kremlin propaganda affecting conservatives in the USA, this is why. Man, you sure seem top come into contact with, or be associated with, a bunch of fucking retards. I can't figure it out ?? Most of my friends are on the conservative and libertarian side, and there are some family and acquaintances that go stretch over to the Liberal side, And you know what, not a one in a hundred people, have any semblance of support for Putin, or blame towards Ukraine. You either seek retards out, or you're a magical retard magnet. When you wake up and run into assholes all day, you're probably the asshole. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:19:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Please escort Comrade NBCMarine to the local party headquarters. Thank you for your service in this thread, You're excused. https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/what-happened-to-boris-from-chernobyl-1905587.jpg?r=1561585559098 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: Lol, this is just about the only thread in GD that is majority pro-Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: This is all deflection from your first incorrect post that "nobody is rooting for Russia" when a quick peek in GD tells us all that you are FOS, and plenty of people are in fact rooting for them. You last paragraph is inaccurate. Lol, this is just about the only thread in GD that is majority pro-Ukraine. And that is plucking sad. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:19:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Please escort Comrade NBCMarine to the local party headquarters. Thank you for your service in this thread, You're excused. https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/what-happened-to-boris-from-chernobyl-1905587.jpg?r=1561585559098 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: Reading comprehension fail status check complete. Please escort Comrade NBCMarine to the local party headquarters. Thank you for your service in this thread, You're excused. https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/what-happened-to-boris-from-chernobyl-1905587.jpg?r=1561585559098  Unrelated to that great service...
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:19:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: Yeah, that logic justifies doing that stuff to US citizens. We're at least as corrupt as Ukraine.  In terms of dollar amount the Ukrainian gov is a bunch kindergartners compared to the US gov. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:20:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Croak: Originally Posted By governmentman: Until now, I did not have a single person on this site on ignore. You now have that singular honor. Sadly, I reckon I'm a snowflake. https://imgur.com/u7hz26Z.jpg This thread saw my first usage of the ignore functionality. The thread would be unreadable without it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:21:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: At what point does NATO send troops? Peacekeepers or other Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Back on-track. Fuck commies and their simps in GD. GLORY TO UKRAINE! Background brief from senior DOD spox today.
Life under the heel of the orcs in Melitopol.
Shit is kicking off in the east.
At what point does NATO send troops? Peacekeepers or other Imho, it’s overdue. Putin and the Russians can’t be allowed to abide. The question remains how to get that done w/o a great conflagration. We and others have forces in-country, I’m about 98% sure. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:23:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiloBloom: Man, you sure seem top come into contact with, or be associated with, a bunch of fucking retards. I can't figure it out ?? Most of my friends are on the conservative and libertarian side, and there are some family and acquaintances that go stretch over to the Liberal side, And you know what, not a one in a hundred people, have any semblance of support for Putin, or blame towards Ukraine. You either seek retards out, or you're a magical retard magnet. When you wake up and run into assholes all day, you're probably the asshole.  Attached FileHave anything constructive to add? You seem familiar. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:23:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: You are correct. You are full of ignorance In 1943 the goal was for strategic bombing to destroy industry and stop the German war machine. it failed. Strategic bombing drew a lot of German troops into Air defense. Troops that weren't driving tanks or being industry. It also drew a lot of high tech firms into making AA radars who could have been producing other things. Over one million Germans were committed to air defense. The US realized to make strategic bombing effective they'd have to destroy the Luftwaffe. They pretty much destroyed most of the German fighters by D-Day. So strategic bombing gave the allies air superiority, which enabled reconnaissance, close air support, protected the ground troops, allowed the US to commit very few troops into antiaircraft, and enabled rapid resupply like the red ball express where noone gave a shit about things like camouflage. Starting around 1944 the Allies shut down German fuel industry, which hampered their tanks, cut training to zero, and enabled wins at battles like Arrancourt as German tankers couldn't train as they had little to no spare gas for training. And in maneuver battles in the East, and the Battle of the Bulge, tanks getting abandoned as they ran out of gas was increasingly common. There were significant impacts to German industry and weapons, but its hard to quantify that as the Germans were very inefficient in 1943, cleaned up their act in 1944 while being bombed, and while bombing had an impact there were so many variables its hard to quantify. Ploesti 1943 was an ineffective failure and actually, it was German hydrogenation, which I'm sure as you well know is partial conversion of coal into liquid fuels by treatment with hydrogen gas under pressure, that needed to get targeted to shut down the German petroleum production capabilities. Far more critical was the IG Farben synthetic oil facility at Leuna. Naturally. Other then that...well, whatever. Thankfully, the Russian Orc Air Force is complete hot garbage and cant replicate a bombing offensive designed by planners who are no longer alive. https://defense.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Screen-Shot-2018-10-27-at-6.37.33-AM.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By Wulfmann: Confession of ignorance (No disrespect intended) Aside from Ploesti and the complete saturation bombing of Normandy to break the stalemate the only thing the allied bombing campaign did was prove we could be as murderous to civilians as the Nazis and force the Germans to become self sufficient without above ground facilities The post war negative affects alone crippled British conscience once the public became aware of the barbarity of bomber command's intentional war on women and children In fairness many British officers were adamantly opposed to the bombing campaign of Germany as it had no military value and was a war crime Of course war crimes are only committed by the losers. Winners of wars can laugh at the dead bodies of children You are correct. You are full of ignorance In 1943 the goal was for strategic bombing to destroy industry and stop the German war machine. it failed. Strategic bombing drew a lot of German troops into Air defense. Troops that weren't driving tanks or being industry. It also drew a lot of high tech firms into making AA radars who could have been producing other things. Over one million Germans were committed to air defense. The US realized to make strategic bombing effective they'd have to destroy the Luftwaffe. They pretty much destroyed most of the German fighters by D-Day. So strategic bombing gave the allies air superiority, which enabled reconnaissance, close air support, protected the ground troops, allowed the US to commit very few troops into antiaircraft, and enabled rapid resupply like the red ball express where noone gave a shit about things like camouflage. Starting around 1944 the Allies shut down German fuel industry, which hampered their tanks, cut training to zero, and enabled wins at battles like Arrancourt as German tankers couldn't train as they had little to no spare gas for training. And in maneuver battles in the East, and the Battle of the Bulge, tanks getting abandoned as they ran out of gas was increasingly common. There were significant impacts to German industry and weapons, but its hard to quantify that as the Germans were very inefficient in 1943, cleaned up their act in 1944 while being bombed, and while bombing had an impact there were so many variables its hard to quantify. Ploesti 1943 was an ineffective failure and actually, it was German hydrogenation, which I'm sure as you well know is partial conversion of coal into liquid fuels by treatment with hydrogen gas under pressure, that needed to get targeted to shut down the German petroleum production capabilities. Far more critical was the IG Farben synthetic oil facility at Leuna. Naturally. Other then that...well, whatever. Thankfully, the Russian Orc Air Force is complete hot garbage and cant replicate a bombing offensive designed by planners who are no longer alive. https://defense.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Screen-Shot-2018-10-27-at-6.37.33-AM.png We blew the Germans transporation system to hell. They made all kinds of equipment, they just couldn't get it anywhere. It was mainly the railroads. You aren't going to drive a 100 new Panthers hundreds of kilometers to the battle. They already lost enough to breakdowns. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:25:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiloBloom: You either seek retards out, or you're a magical retard magnet.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:26:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:27:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: doc540]
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"In other news, purse swinging on Arfcom's page 1687 reached levels unseen since the Ukrainian/Russian conflict began...."
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:27:50 PM EDT
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Can this thread go back to being news and stuff. That'd be great.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:28:19 PM EDT
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Engineers are kicking ass.
Translation: Repair of the ferry across the Irpin river is practically completed  ?????? ????????? ????? ????? ?????? ????????? ?????????? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:30:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Damn, so this is it. The big push? Yes. Though how big? They didn't have time to replenish the losses on units which retreated from Kiev and Sumy. Those BTGs are down to CTGs (Company Tactical Groups). |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:30:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: It sure sounds like it. I was hoping it wouldn't materialize but here we are.  Heilung Krigsgaldr [Official Video] Slava Ukraini, heroyam slava! |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:31:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Javak: The starboard water cannon seems to be pointing the wrong way. Those water Cannons are on a tug behind her. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:32:55 PM EDT
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I hate to link to reddit but the footage is incredible.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/u6m6hd/a_new_circle_of_hell_is_unfolding_in_donbas_right/ Stay strong Ukraine. Kill the orcs. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:34:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: Please tell me you were not actually in the Corps. Maybe he was one of those Admin guys..... |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:34:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: Can this thread go back to being news and stuff. That'd be great. So like page 10? This is just a Ukraine rah rah thread. Nothing wrong with that just don't expect unbiased information if you are following it. It is what it is. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:36:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Shit going down in the east.
Artillery is not "imprecise". Being able to put 18 dumb HE rounds fired by 18 different howitzers all impacting at the same time into a spot the size of a half dozen parking spaces 10 miles away is not exceedingly difficult. Now, the way the USSR uses artillery-yes, that is imprecise. They have always been about the massed "barrages". |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:38:16 PM EDT
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United Kingdom's MOD daily update for 4/18 as posted on Twit. (Admittedly unexciting, but the Brits gave UA useful stuff, so I'm giving them a pass for not publicizing all the details they might know.) Map looks unchanged and I really don't expect to see changes in the MOD map unless there are major movements.
 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:42:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: A lot of the “Red pill” pundits came down on Putin’s side on Ukraine….Lira is most well known because he’s actually there. They’re fucked and don’t know it yet. They’ve given the liberals exactly what they needed to crush their “movement” with their open Man-crush for Putin. Can’t say I’ll care when it happens, either. Lira is a disgusting ingrate and if they have had him shot he brought it on himself. Though if I were the SBU officer tasked with deciding what to do with him, I’d recommend he just be booted out and never allowed back, he’s not worth the headache…..unless he’s been doing more than just posting nonsense on YouTube. The most likely outcome is just that he was killed incidentally. If they happened to take him prisoner I doubt that the local SBU would take kindly to a Russian influence asset in their country. Make of that what you will. I read his stuff back when I fell for the Zerohedge op 8-10 years ago. Fortunately my own cognitive dissonance helped me shake loose of that BS. I see him as little different than an outright traitor. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:42:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th:
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:43:19 PM EDT
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Me thinks Russia is blowing its load prematurely by starting this now. They just retreated in a lot of areas still licking their chops. No way they’ve had enough time to properly regroup and resupply. Smells like a desperate attempt before the May 9th deadline. I’m pretty sure Ukraine knew this was coming and has been preparing accordingly.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:44:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: You are correct. You are full of ignorance In 1943 the goal was for strategic bombing to destroy industry and stop the German war machine. it failed. Strategic bombing drew a lot of German troops into Air defense. Troops that weren't driving tanks or being industry. It also drew a lot of high tech firms into making AA radars who could have been producing other things. Over one million Germans were committed to air defense. The US realized to make strategic bombing effective they'd have to destroy the Luftwaffe. They pretty much destroyed most of the German fighters by D-Day. So strategic bombing gave the allies air superiority, which enabled reconnaissance, close air support, protected the ground troops, allowed the US to commit very few troops into antiaircraft, and enabled rapid resupply like the red ball express where noone gave a shit about things like camouflage. Starting around 1944 the Allies shut down German fuel industry, which hampered their tanks, cut training to zero, and enabled wins at battles like Arrancourt as German tankers couldn't train as they had little to no spare gas for training. And in maneuver battles in the East, and the Battle of the Bulge, tanks getting abandoned as they ran out of gas was increasingly common. There were significant impacts to German industry and weapons, but its hard to quantify that as the Germans were very inefficient in 1943, cleaned up their act in 1944 while being bombed, and while bombing had an impact there were so many variables its hard to quantify. Ploesti 1943 was an ineffective failure and actually, it was German hydrogenation, which I'm sure as you well know is partial conversion of coal into liquid fuels by treatment with hydrogen gas under pressure, that needed to get targeted to shut down the German petroleum production capabilities. Far more critical was the IG Farben synthetic oil facility at Leuna. Naturally. Other then that...well, whatever. Thankfully, the Russian Orc Air Force is complete hot garbage and cant replicate a bombing offensive designed by planners who are no longer alive. What I stated and you ignored and went off on a tirade in a different direction on a different subject never once addressing my point.. Let me repeat, the strategic bombing campaign to destroy German industry and terrorize civilians was a failure. All other things are not part of my statement and do not address my point at all. Up until the final days of WWII Germany was producing weapons, Jets, Me 109s, FW190s, Tigers/panthers etc and other panzers new U-Boats type XXI and XXIII Panzers were literally coming off the assembly line and driving down the street to engage us. Fighters were left unflown for lack of pilots, Small arms workers were actually running out the back door of factories while American troops were coming through the front doors. Germany never lacked weapons to wage war until the very last day so it was a wasted effort Besides the saturation bombing at Normandy (That was decisive) and the attacks on the fuel industry the only thing the Americans and British did was commit genocide of women and children. If that was the goal then we succeeded. If genocide was not the goal and stopping Germany from making weapons to wage war then it was a failure BTW I never met my uncle John. He was a crewman on a B17 in the Eighth Army Airforce and was killed on a mission to Germany |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:44:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:46:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenMushroom: Will be interesting to see how this phase goes down. The Russians put themselves at a huge disadvantage trying to do go fast stuff with a shit teir conscript army. They might have realized how much they suck now so things are probably going to get tougher. #1: fuck Russia. #2. They fucked up trying to attack on 19 different fronts against superior numbers without complete air superiority. The dumbest shit you could do was maximize the miles of your forces within reach of ambushes. Completely exposed Supply columns on 47 different roads going in 75 different directions. Fucking idiocy. #3. They should’ve had one front on each side of kyiv. Forced Ukraine to mass and attack. You could have had protected supply lines and limited frontline troops. Narrowed the area where your air force had to dominate. Mass your own artillery. The Donbas and crimea would have been an invasion in being that tied up tons of ukraines troops. THAT would have been an effective feint. Surround Kiev and you’ll have at a minimum of something to negotiate with. Leave civilians in for a while to allow them to eat Kyiv dry then allow a corridor for them to leave as a propaganda tool. After that??? After talks and warning and evacuations and Ukraine doesn’t capitulate? Bombs away and artillery away. The ultimate bargaining chip. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:47:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: Artillery is not "imprecise". Being able to put 18 dumb HE rounds fired by 18 different howitzers all impacting at the same time into a spot the size of a half dozen parking spaces 10 miles away is not exceedingly difficult. Now, the way the USSR uses artillery-yes, that is imprecise. They have always been about the massed "barrages". It hits areas, not targets |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:48:23 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: #1: fuck Russia. #2. They fucked up trying to attack on 19 different fronts against superior numbers without complete air superiority. The dumbest shit you could do was maximize the miles of your forces within reach of ambushes. Completely exposed Supply columns on 47 different roads going in 75 different directions. Fucking idiocy. #3. They should’ve had one front on each side of kyiv. Forced Ukraine to mass and attack. You could have had protected supply lines and limited frontline troops. Narrowed the area where your air force had to dominate. Mass your own artillery. The Donbas and crimea would have been an invasion in being that tied up tons of ukraines troops. THAT would have been an effective feint. Surround Kiev and you’ll have at a minimum of something to negotiate with. Leave civilians in for a while to allow them to eat Kyiv dry then allow a corridor for them to leave as a propaganda tool. After that??? After talks and warning and evacuations and Ukraine doesn’t capitulate? Bombs away and artillery away. The ultimate bargaining chip. Shhh. These fucking moron orcs probably look to this site for ideas. 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenMushroom: Will be interesting to see how this phase goes down. The Russians put themselves at a huge disadvantage trying to do go fast stuff with a shit teir conscript army. They might have realized how much they suck now so things are probably going to get tougher. Chances they go out with WMD attacks? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:48:53 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jough43: And that is plucking sad. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jough43: Originally Posted By glklvr: Originally Posted By NBCMarine: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: This is all deflection from your first incorrect post that "nobody is rooting for Russia" when a quick peek in GD tells us all that you are FOS, and plenty of people are in fact rooting for them. You last paragraph is inaccurate. Lol, this is just about the only thread in GD that is majority pro-Ukraine. And that is plucking sad. It is. And it is. We all need to say a little prayer tonight for the Ukrainian people. The days ahead will be tough. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:49:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NBCMarine: Wanting YouTubers to get murdered because they don’t agree with you, excusing actual nazis because they do agree with you, advocating genocide, wanting to fight to the last Ukrainian even if it means irreversible damage to their home, and advocating nuclear war is. Of course it’s par for the course in GD bingo. *30 PIECES OF SILVER HAVE BEEN DEPOSITED TO YOUR ACCOUNT, COMRADE* |
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