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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:51:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: For political reasons apparently there is limited ability to deploy Russian troops outside of Russia except during wartime. But it’s illegal to call it a war. Which might change soon so they can call up the reserves. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By dmjung: It's come up in a couple of posts where Russian soldiers are refusing to go to Ukraine or go into combat. The last one showed a picture of an ID with a stamp that I assumed meant they weren't a team player. If a US soldier refused what is essentially an order in the middle of a war/speshul-military-operation, seems like something more serious than getting a sticker would occur. Is this really a thing in the Russian army or just blathering/propaganda? If the latter, what is the purpose/point and who is it directed to? For political reasons apparently there is limited ability to deploy Russian troops outside of Russia except during wartime. But it’s illegal to call it a war. Which might change soon so they can call up the reserves. @Ryan_Scott I had not connected the odd naming of the war to this. Then the implication is there is some sort of internal Russian political calculus that Putin believes he has to account for (at least in his mind.) Another implication is if a significant number of the 'non-deployable' troops were on the Moskva and how that will play out internally. Some postings related to MIA sailors by their parents suggests this is a legal problem, but I don't sense that Putin cares much, but that leads back to the first implication. Or is it only Putin who doesn't think he has dictatorial powers? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:52:57 PM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:53:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Imho, it’s overdue. Putin and the Russians can’t be allowed to abide. The question remains how to get that done w/o a great conflagration. We and others have forces in-country, I’m about 98% sure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Back on-track. Fuck commies and their simps in GD. GLORY TO UKRAINE! Background brief from senior DOD spox today.
Life under the heel of the orcs in Melitopol.
Shit is kicking off in the east.
At what point does NATO send troops? Peacekeepers or other Imho, it’s overdue. Putin and the Russians can’t be allowed to abide. The question remains how to get that done w/o a great conflagration. We and others have forces in-country, I’m about 98% sure. Only way I can see that happening is if Poland “goes it alone”, while we (NATO) supply both Poland and Ukraine. Other than that, we can run drone ops and secret squirrel attacks with our stealth tech in support. We could maybe clear the Black Sea out without being discovered? I’m not an aviation expert, but it seems like Russia is so outclassed. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:53:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: *30 PIECES OF SILVER HAVE BEEN DEPOSITED TO YOUR ACCOUNT, COMRADE* A mod Javelined him he can't reply. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:54:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Please escort Comrade NBCMarine to the local party headquarters. Thank you for your service in this thread, You're excused. https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/what-happened-to-boris-from-chernobyl-1905587.jpg?r=1561585559098 Oh man I've been here a long time and seen quite a few thread bans but to date that is the best ban in the history of arfcom. So good that I am going to quote you for posterity in my sig line! 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:54:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Please escort Comrade NBCMarine to the local party headquarters. Thank you for your service in this thread, You're excused. https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/what-happened-to-boris-from-chernobyl-1905587.jpg?r=1561585559098 I thought staff suggested we should stop calling everyone who had a slight difference of opinion a "Communist"? I don't get why NBCMarine was kicked from the thread other than having a slightly different opinion?  I didn't get a "trolling" vibe. If it's for the "reading comprehension" quote that is pretty tame for this thread. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:55:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: One thing that sucks about this war is hiw much its divided us here, and I'm to blame also for that. I've attacked other for being Russian shills etc. Because I whole heartedly believe that the Ukrainians need all the help we can give them. But I don't want to make the divide wider here between members. Trolls excluded of course. But I do recognize that others may have a differing opinion than myself but doesn't mean they are not just as American as me. Just my 2 cents carry on  So. What then. World War 3? Sorry, but my answer is YES. Unless some kind of miracle happens and Putin is deposed, the options remain either Ukraine is subject to a crushing defeat or Poland/NATO intervenes and we are in WW3. OK, there is another possible scenario, we pour weapons into Ukraine and draw Russia into a terrible quagmire, and they somehow brainlessly spend the next 3 or 4 years wasting the entirety of their armed forces beating their heads against a javelin anvil, Ukraine is turned into a wasteland that would make wartorn Syria look inviting, and nearly every man, woman, and child still in the country dies in a twenty-first century reprise of the Holodomor. So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves. 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:56:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub: I hate to link to reddit but the footage is incredible. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/u6m6hd/a_new_circle_of_hell_is_unfolding_in_donbas_right/ Stay strong Ukraine. Kill the orcs. That’s some heavy fighting right there. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:57:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Chances they go out with WMD attacks? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By GreenMushroom: Will be interesting to see how this phase goes down. The Russians put themselves at a huge disadvantage trying to do go fast stuff with a shit teir conscript army. They might have realized how much they suck now so things are probably going to get tougher. Chances they go out with WMD attacks? Was talking with a coworker this morning who knows the situation fairly well. We both give it 2 months max at the rate Moscow is losing assets. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:58:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: I have been avoiding posting here because I know it will likely turn into a pissing match, and no one wants that. However, I need to say my piece. A great many of you have lost your fucking minds. Listen, I'm a cold war kid - I love seeing Russian tanks go boom just like everybody in here. I want Russia to lose this war. But they're not going to. Why? Because they are all in. They are about to roll over the fucking country, moving city to city, pounding them with MLRS and turning them into rubble one after the other, and the only question now is whether the world is willing to risk nuclear war to stop them. We are damned if we do, and the Ukes are damned if we don't. Hell they may pop tac nukes just out of spite, and if it seems like they are losing you can be effin SURE they will crack open that canned sunshine. UKRAINE. CANNOT. WIN. THIS. So. What then. World War 3? Sorry, but my answer is YES. Unless some kind of miracle happens and Putin is deposed, the options remain either Ukraine is subject to a crushing defeat or Poland/NATO intervenes and we are in WW3. OK, there is another possible scenario, we pour weapons into Ukraine and draw Russia into a terrible quagmire, and they somehow brainlessly spend the next 3 or 4 years wasting the entirety of their armed forces beating their heads against a javelin anvil, Ukraine is turned into a wasteland that would make wartorn Syria look inviting, and nearly every man, woman, and child still in the country dies in a twenty-first century reprise of the Holodomor. So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves. Damn Lilith Fair forum is that way >>>> |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:59:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: A mod Javelined him he can't reply. 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 6:59:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amanbearpig: I thought staff suggested we should stop calling everyone who had a slight difference of opinion a "Communist"? I don't get why NBCMarine was kicked from the thread other than having a slightly different opinion? I didn't get a "trolling" vibe. If it's for the "reading comprehension" quote that is pretty tame for this thread. Should go back and read more of his stuff. Wasn't just a "different opinion ' |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:04:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Now I wonder which cunt I am...  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Now I wonder which cunt I am... lolcunt |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:04:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: I have been avoiding posting here because I know it will likely turn into a pissing match, and no one wants that. However, I need to say my piece. A great many of you have lost your fucking minds. Listen, I'm a cold war kid - I love seeing Russian tanks go boom just like everybody in here. I want Russia to lose this war. But they're not going to. Why? Because they are all in. They are about to roll over the fucking country, moving city to city, pounding them with MLRS and turning them into rubble one after the other, and the only question now is whether the world is willing to risk nuclear war to stop them. We are damned if we do, and the Ukes are damned if we don't. Hell they may pop tac nukes just out of spite, and if it seems like they are losing you can be effin SURE they will crack open that canned sunshine. UKRAINE. CANNOT. WIN. THIS. So. What then. World War 3? Sorry, but my answer is YES. Unless some kind of miracle happens and Putin is deposed, the options remain either Ukraine is subject to a crushing defeat or Poland/NATO intervenes and we are in WW3. OK, there is another possible scenario, we pour weapons into Ukraine and draw Russia into a terrible quagmire, and they somehow brainlessly spend the next 3 or 4 years wasting the entirety of their armed forces beating their heads against a javelin anvil, Ukraine is turned into a wasteland that would make wartorn Syria look inviting, and nearly every man, woman, and child still in the country dies in a twenty-first century reprise of the Holodomor. So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves. How many nukes did Russia pop on Chechnya? how many in Syria? How many in Afghanistan? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:05:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: "In other news, purse swinging on Arfcom's page 1687 reached levels unseen since the Ukrainian/Russian conflict began...." No kidding. GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND. Don't make me post in angry red letters. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:05:35 PM EST
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edit: woops answered in the tweet
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:05:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: A mod Javelined him he can't reply. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By Capta: *30 PIECES OF SILVER HAVE BEEN DEPOSITED TO YOUR ACCOUNT, COMRADE* A mod Javelined him he can't reply. Maybe, like Judas wiith his 30 pcs of silver, he hung himself.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:08:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: #1: fuck Russia. #2. They fucked up trying to attack on 19 different fronts against superior numbers without complete air superiority. The dumbest shit you could do was maximize the miles of your forces within reach of ambushes. Completely exposed Supply columns on 47 different roads going in 75 different directions. Fucking idiocy. #3. They should've had one front on each side of kyiv. Forced Ukraine to mass and attack. You could have had protected supply lines and limited frontline troops. Narrowed the area where your air force had to dominate. Mass your own artillery. The Donbas and crimea would have been an invasion in being that tied up tons of ukraines troops. THAT would have been an effective feint. Surround Kiev and you'll have at a minimum of something to negotiate with. Leave civilians in for a while to allow them to eat Kyiv dry then allow a corridor for them to leave as a propaganda tool. After that??? After talks and warning and evacuations and Ukraine doesn't capitulate? Bombs away and artillery away. The ultimate bargaining chip. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Originally Posted By GreenMushroom: Will be interesting to see how this phase goes down. The Russians put themselves at a huge disadvantage trying to do go fast stuff with a shit teir conscript army. They might have realized how much they suck now so things are probably going to get tougher. #1: fuck Russia. #2. They fucked up trying to attack on 19 different fronts against superior numbers without complete air superiority. The dumbest shit you could do was maximize the miles of your forces within reach of ambushes. Completely exposed Supply columns on 47 different roads going in 75 different directions. Fucking idiocy. #3. They should've had one front on each side of kyiv. Forced Ukraine to mass and attack. You could have had protected supply lines and limited frontline troops. Narrowed the area where your air force had to dominate. Mass your own artillery. The Donbas and crimea would have been an invasion in being that tied up tons of ukraines troops. THAT would have been an effective feint. Surround Kiev and you'll have at a minimum of something to negotiate with. Leave civilians in for a while to allow them to eat Kyiv dry then allow a corridor for them to leave as a propaganda tool. After that??? After talks and warning and evacuations and Ukraine doesn't capitulate? Bombs away and artillery away. The ultimate bargaining chip. Honestly going for Kyiv was probably worth the potential payoff, but they either needed to have their ducks in a row so it worked quickly or be prepared to quit reinforcing failure as soon as it was clear it wasn't. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:08:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: Firefly1032]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Me thinks Russia is blowing its load prematurely by starting this now. They just retreated in a lot of areas still licking their chops. No way they’ve had enough time to properly regroup and resupply. Smells like a desperate attempt before the May 9th deadline. I’m pretty sure Ukraine knew this was coming and has been preparing accordingly. The question is who gets stronger with each passing day? UA isn’t sitting idle either and is moving forces as well. Honest question but who can move men and material faster right now? I would assume Russia’s infrastructure (roads & rail) is in better shape than Ukraine even though they have shorter direct lines and as a result want to break through into open ground ASAP. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:09:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amanbearpig: I thought staff suggested we should stop calling everyone who had a slight difference of opinion a "Communist"? I don't get why NBCMarine was kicked from the thread other than having a slightly different opinion? I didn't get a "trolling" vibe. If it's for the "reading comprehension" quote that is pretty tame for this thread. It was for repeated disruptions and thread sliding which is trolling. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:09:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: No kidding. GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND. Don't make me post in angry red letters. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By doc540: "In other news, purse swinging on Arfcom's page 1687 reached levels unseen since the Ukrainian/Russian conflict began...." No kidding. GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND. Don't make me post in angry red letters. Do you still have a headache from being pulled from your pedestal onto your head the other day? 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:10:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512:How many nukes did Russia pop on Chechnya? how many in Syria? How many in Afghanistan? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:12:01 PM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:12:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves. Russian diplomats and new pundits have been call this WW3 for weeks. Calling the our destruction and to re-concur the eastern block. This was never going to end in Kiev. "The winds of change" have shifted. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:13:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWMCoalition: Russian diplomats and new pundits have been call this WW3 for weeks. Calling the our destruction and to re-concur the eastern block. This was never going to end in Kiev. "The winds of change" have shifted. Correct. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:14:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: I have been avoiding posting here because I know it will likely turn into a pissing match, and no one wants that. However, I need to say my piece. A great many of you have lost your fucking minds. Listen, I'm a cold war kid - I love seeing Russian tanks go boom just like everybody in here. I want Russia to lose this war. But they're not going to. Why? Because they are all in. They are about to roll over the fucking country, moving city to city, pounding them with MLRS and turning them into rubble one after the other, and the only question now is whether the world is willing to risk nuclear war to stop them. We are damned if we do, and the Ukes are damned if we don't. Hell they may pop tac nukes just out of spite, and if it seems like they are losing you can be effin SURE they will crack open that canned sunshine. UKRAINE. CANNOT. WIN. THIS. So. What then. World War 3? Sorry, but my answer is YES. Unless some kind of miracle happens and Putin is deposed, the options remain either Ukraine is subject to a crushing defeat or Poland/NATO intervenes and we are in WW3. OK, there is another possible scenario, we pour weapons into Ukraine and draw Russia into a terrible quagmire, and they somehow brainlessly spend the next 3 or 4 years wasting the entirety of their armed forces beating their heads against a javelin anvil, Ukraine is turned into a wasteland that would make wartorn Syria look inviting, and nearly every man, woman, and child still in the country dies in a twenty-first century reprise of the Holodomor. So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: Originally Posted By AROKIE: One thing that sucks about this war is hiw much its divided us here, and I'm to blame also for that. I've attacked other for being Russian shills etc. Because I whole heartedly believe that the Ukrainians need all the help we can give them. But I don't want to make the divide wider here between members. Trolls excluded of course. But I do recognize that others may have a differing opinion than myself but doesn't mean they are not just as American as me. Just my 2 cents carry on So. What then. World War 3? Sorry, but my answer is YES. Unless some kind of miracle happens and Putin is deposed, the options remain either Ukraine is subject to a crushing defeat or Poland/NATO intervenes and we are in WW3. OK, there is another possible scenario, we pour weapons into Ukraine and draw Russia into a terrible quagmire, and they somehow brainlessly spend the next 3 or 4 years wasting the entirety of their armed forces beating their heads against a javelin anvil, Ukraine is turned into a wasteland that would make wartorn Syria look inviting, and nearly every man, woman, and child still in the country dies in a twenty-first century reprise of the Holodomor. So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves.  Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:16:00 PM EST
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Under Attack in Ukraine’s Southeast
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:16:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: Zero, because they were pussyfooting around in all of those conflicts. I believe that that has ended and they will just move to total annihilation of civilian infrastructure and killing everything that moves now. We'll find out shortly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: Originally Posted By Yobro512:How many nukes did Russia pop on Chechnya? how many in Syria? How many in Afghanistan? They pussyfooted around in Afghanistan? There were over a million casualties in that war.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:17:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: I hope they get Patrick Lancaster next. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By odiedodi: New reports are that Ukrainians killed him. Good shoot. I hope they get Patrick Lancaster next. From your lips to God's ears. I hate that motherfucker. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:21:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firefly1032: The question is who gets stronger with each passing day? UA isn’t sitting idle either and is moving forces as well. Honest question but who can move men and material faster right now? I would assume Russia’s infrastructure (roads & rail) is in better shape than Ukraine even though they have shorter direct lines and as a result want to break through into open ground ASAP. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firefly1032: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Me thinks Russia is blowing its load prematurely by starting this now. They just retreated in a lot of areas still licking their chops. No way they’ve had enough time to properly regroup and resupply. Smells like a desperate attempt before the May 9th deadline. I’m pretty sure Ukraine knew this was coming and has been preparing accordingly. The question is who gets stronger with each passing day? UA isn’t sitting idle either and is moving forces as well. Honest question but who can move men and material faster right now? I would assume Russia’s infrastructure (roads & rail) is in better shape than Ukraine even though they have shorter direct lines and as a result want to break through into open ground ASAP. UA has a the shorter radius to cover. They can reposition and re supply to the front way faster than RU. RU has to resupply through the front while UA is the front and has multple roads and methods of logistics to the fighting lines. RU is tired or dead and UA is being supported DIRECTLY by the entire country. Having millions of people handling logistics changes the calculus immeasurably, the precise reason that taking cities has been nearly impossible for RU to do. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:22:21 PM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:22:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: Do you still have a headache from being pulled from your pedestal onto your head the other day?
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:23:17 PM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:24:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: It hits areas, not targets Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By FDC: Artillery is not "imprecise". Being able to put 18 dumb HE rounds fired by 18 different howitzers all impacting at the same time into a spot the size of a half dozen parking spaces 10 miles away is not exceedingly difficult. Now, the way the USSR uses artillery-yes, that is imprecise. They have always been about the massed "barrages". It hits areas, not targets If the target has a size, yes, it hits areas. That area is still a target. Being accurate with cannon artillery is not hard even 30 years ago. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:24:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWMCoalition: Russian diplomats and new pundits have been call this WW3 for weeks. Calling the our destruction and to re-concur the eastern block. This was never going to end in Kiev. "The winds of change" have shifted. Ya, you’re right. It’ll end in Moscow. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:26:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Ya, you’re right. It’ll end in Moscow.] Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By AWMCoalition: Russian diplomats and new pundits have been call this WW3 for weeks. Calling the our destruction and to re-concur the eastern block. This was never going to end in Kiev. "The winds of change" have shifted. Ya, you’re right. It’ll end in Moscow.] It should.. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:26:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmjung: @Ryan_Scott I had not connected the odd naming of the war to this. Then the implication is there is some sort of internal Russian political calculus that Putin believes he has to account for (at least in his mind.) Another implication is if a significant number of the 'non-deployable' troops were on the Moskva and how that will play out internally. Some postings related to MIA sailors by their parents suggests this is a legal problem, but I don't sense that Putin cares much, but that leads back to the first implication. Or is it only Putin who doesn't think he has dictatorial powers? The navy is probably higher status and gets better educated and wealthier kids with a stronger aversion to being raped and whatnot. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:27:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: UA has a the shorter radius to cover. They can reposition and re supply to the front way faster than RU. RU has to resupply through the front while UA is the front and has multple roads and methods of logistics to the fighting lines. RU is tired or dead and UA is being supported DIRECTLY by the entire country. Having millions of people handling logistics changes the calculus immeasurably, the precise reason that taking cities has been nearly impossible for RU to do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: Originally Posted By Firefly1032: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Me thinks Russia is blowing its load prematurely by starting this now. They just retreated in a lot of areas still licking their chops. No way they’ve had enough time to properly regroup and resupply. Smells like a desperate attempt before the May 9th deadline. I’m pretty sure Ukraine knew this was coming and has been preparing accordingly. The question is who gets stronger with each passing day? UA isn’t sitting idle either and is moving forces as well. Honest question but who can move men and material faster right now? I would assume Russia’s infrastructure (roads & rail) is in better shape than Ukraine even though they have shorter direct lines and as a result want to break through into open ground ASAP. UA has a the shorter radius to cover. They can reposition and re supply to the front way faster than RU. RU has to resupply through the front while UA is the front and has multple roads and methods of logistics to the fighting lines. RU is tired or dead and UA is being supported DIRECTLY by the entire country. Having millions of people handling logistics changes the calculus immeasurably, the precise reason that taking cities has been nearly impossible for RU to do. I would imagine you are correct, just didn’t want to assume. I imagine RU is able to more freely move heavy equipment around the clock behind their lines, whereas UA has to be conscious of enemy air strikes and tracking (S300’s seem to be getting tracked well and taken out). Has Russia been targeting rail/transportation hubs of Ukraine or preserving them? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:28:04 PM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:28:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: How many nukes did Russia pop on Chechnya? how many in Syria? How many in Afghanistan? That's a fair question. But I think russia is likely to see this one differently. The world has massively come to the aid of Ukraine, and Ukrained has badly hurt russia, mostly because of help from the world. So I doubt russia sees this as a situation where they are going to bomb the shit out of some smaller army then take a victory lap and go home. The russian army has been embarassed and wounded repeatedly, and now the fight is getting closer to their own border. They thought they would be ruling or destroying Kiev right now. They are going to be very, very motivated to win the battle that has just started. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:33:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWMCoalition: Russian diplomats and new pundits have been call this WW3 for weeks. Calling the our destruction and to re-concur the eastern block. This was never going to end in Kiev. "The winds of change" have shifted. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWMCoalition: Originally Posted By FALFOX: So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves. Russian diplomats and new pundits have been call this WW3 for weeks. Calling the our destruction and to re-concur the eastern block. This was never going to end in Kiev. "The winds of change" have shifted. That being said, I could see Russia moving on Moldova when they break Ukraine, but that's about it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:34:16 PM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:34:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: Firearmsenthusiast]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firefly1032: The question is who gets stronger with each passing day? UA isn’t sitting idle either and is moving forces as well. Honest question but who can move men and material faster right now? I would assume Russia’s infrastructure (roads & rail) is in better shape than Ukraine even though they have shorter direct lines. The Russians are very good amd moving both men and materials. They are moving men by the train load that don't know how to fight and materials that are rusting away because Putin's cronies stole all the maintenance funds. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:34:38 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: There is a GD thread about it but lmao too good not to be added here.. Noam Chomsky: Ukraine must make concessions to Russia's demands Jewish American philosopher and linguist Noam Chomsky said that Ukraine must make concessions to Russian demands, saying that the public must “pay attention to the reality of the world,” in an interview with Current Affairs on Wednesday. “One option is to pursue the policy we are now following… to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. And yes, we can pursue that policy with the possibility of nuclear war. Or we can face the reality that the only alternative is a diplomatic settlement, which will be ugly – it will give Putin and his narrow circle an escape hatch,” Chomsky said. https://www.jpost.com/international/article-704436 Screenname? I can think of a couple possibilities... |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:35:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: Drakich]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firefly1032: The question is who gets stronger with each passing day? UA isn’t sitting idle either and is moving forces as well. Honest question but who can move men and material faster right now? I would assume Russia’s infrastructure (roads & rail) is in better shape than Ukraine even though they have shorter direct lines and as a result want to break through into open ground ASAP. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firefly1032: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Me thinks Russia is blowing its load prematurely by starting this now. They just retreated in a lot of areas still licking their chops. No way they’ve had enough time to properly regroup and resupply. Smells like a desperate attempt before the May 9th deadline. I’m pretty sure Ukraine knew this was coming and has been preparing accordingly. The question is who gets stronger with each passing day? UA isn’t sitting idle either and is moving forces as well. Honest question but who can move men and material faster right now? I would assume Russia’s infrastructure (roads & rail) is in better shape than Ukraine even though they have shorter direct lines and as a result want to break through into open ground ASAP. Ukraine has shorter lines for redeployment but Russia has little interdiction risk (whereas Ukraine is internally interdicted to a degree). A lot of the units Russia is looking to move have been chewed up and either need to be reinforced or merged with other units in order to be combat effective. As time goes on, I think Ukraine gets stronger. Russia is already cannibalizing it’s domestic truck fleet to support the war…they are already at their logistic limit. If they “fully mobilize” and throw another 200k to 2 million troops at Ukraine…how are they going to supply them? They have no ability outside of maybe China to qualitatively replace their equipment losses, so their forces will degrade not get better. Meanwhile, the opposite is true for Ukraine. Their forces will be increasingly equipped with near top of the line Western gear. The fact that Russia is 2.5x the size of Ukraine no longer matters because of the stark difference in combat effectiveness of Ukraine and the increasing technological edge that is manifesting. Honestly, the only hope for Russia is if North Korea goes for South Korea or China goes for Taiwan. Or maybe they can form a new Axis with Hungary and Germany. But even then Poland would have tanks parked in Berlin in two weeks. So I can see the Russians facing total defeat and collapse of their combat fronts and resorting to nukes. Edited: fixed some typos and the interdiction comment. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:35:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: I have been avoiding posting here because I know it will likely turn into a pissing match, and no one wants that. However, I need to say my piece. A great many of you have lost your fucking minds. Listen, I'm a cold war kid - I love seeing Russian tanks go boom just like everybody in here. I want Russia to lose this war. But they're not going to. Why? Because they are all in. They are about to roll over the fucking country, moving city to city, pounding them with MLRS and turning them into rubble one after the other, and the only question now is whether the world is willing to risk nuclear war to stop them. We are damned if we do, and the Ukes are damned if we don't. Hell they may pop tac nukes just out of spite, and if it seems like they are losing you can be effin SURE they will crack open that canned sunshine. UKRAINE. CANNOT. WIN. THIS. So. What then. World War 3? Sorry, but my answer is YES. Unless some kind of miracle happens and Putin is deposed, the options remain either Ukraine is subject to a crushing defeat or Poland/NATO intervenes and we are in WW3. OK, there is another possible scenario, we pour weapons into Ukraine and draw Russia into a terrible quagmire, and they somehow brainlessly spend the next 3 or 4 years wasting the entirety of their armed forces beating their heads against a javelin anvil, Ukraine is turned into a wasteland that would make wartorn Syria look inviting, and nearly every man, woman, and child still in the country dies in a twenty-first century reprise of the Holodomor. So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: Originally Posted By AROKIE: One thing that sucks about this war is hiw much its divided us here, and I'm to blame also for that. I've attacked other for being Russian shills etc. Because I whole heartedly believe that the Ukrainians need all the help we can give them. But I don't want to make the divide wider here between members. Trolls excluded of course. But I do recognize that others may have a differing opinion than myself but doesn't mean they are not just as American as me. Just my 2 cents carry on So. What then. World War 3? Sorry, but my answer is YES. Unless some kind of miracle happens and Putin is deposed, the options remain either Ukraine is subject to a crushing defeat or Poland/NATO intervenes and we are in WW3. OK, there is another possible scenario, we pour weapons into Ukraine and draw Russia into a terrible quagmire, and they somehow brainlessly spend the next 3 or 4 years wasting the entirety of their armed forces beating their heads against a javelin anvil, Ukraine is turned into a wasteland that would make wartorn Syria look inviting, and nearly every man, woman, and child still in the country dies in a twenty-first century reprise of the Holodomor. So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves. One exits, one enters |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:37:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Please escort Comrade NBCMarine to the local party headquarters. Thank you for your service in this thread, You're excused. https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/what-happened-to-boris-from-chernobyl-1905587.jpg?r=1561585559098 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:38:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: Goodn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Screenname? I can think of a couple possibilities... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By 7empest: There is a GD thread about it but lmao too good not to be added here.. Noam Chomsky: Ukraine must make concessions to Russia's demands Jewish American philosopher and linguist Noam Chomsky said that Ukraine must make concessions to Russian demands, saying that the public must “pay attention to the reality of the world,” in an interview with Current Affairs on Wednesday. “One option is to pursue the policy we are now following… to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. And yes, we can pursue that policy with the possibility of nuclear war. Or we can face the reality that the only alternative is a diplomatic settlement, which will be ugly – it will give Putin and his narrow circle an escape hatch,” Chomsky said. https://www.jpost.com/international/article-704436 Screenname? I can think of a couple possibilities... That thread is a shit show. I too wonder what Noams screen name is. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:40:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: That’s some heavy fighting right there. My brother emailed me one way worse. Half dozen 50cal plus arty and mortars going out, plenty comung in. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:41:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWMCoalition: Russian diplomats and new pundits have been call this WW3 for weeks. Calling the our destruction and to re-concur the eastern block. This was never going to end in Kiev. "The winds of change" have shifted. I remember that song when it first came out. Had hope that was truly the case. As with other shit holes that won't conform to some semblance of decency, the only thing that'll work is to wall it off in its entirety. |
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