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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:41:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: They pussyfooted around in Afghanistan? There were over a million casualties in that war.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By FALFOX: Originally Posted By Yobro512:How many nukes did Russia pop on Chechnya? how many in Syria? How many in Afghanistan? They pussyfooted around in Afghanistan? There were over a million casualties in that war.  |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:41:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: two frames of a close up shell explosion. That is crazy. Filmed his death. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:42:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: two frames of a close up shell explosion. All the hot white specs are shrapnel. He was turned into swiss cheese. 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:42:56 PM EST
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 incredible battle in ukraine |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:45:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Ukraine has shorter lines for redeployment but have little interdiction risk. A lot of the unite Russia is looking to move have been chewed up and either need to be reinforced or merged with other units in order to be combat effective. As time goes on, I think Ukraine gets stronger. Russia is already cannibalizing it’s domestic truck fleet to support the war…they are already at their logistic limit. If they “fully mobilize” and throw another 200k to 2 million troops at Ukraine…how are they going to supply them? They have no ability outside of maybe China to qualitatively replace their equipment losses, so their forces will degrade not get better. Meanwhile, the opposite is true for Ukraine. Their forces will be increasingly equipped with near top of the line Western gear. The fact that Russia is 2.5x the size of Ukraine no longer matters because of the stark difference in combat effectiveness of Ukraine and the increasing technological edge that is manifesting. Honestly, the only hope for Russia is if North Korea goes for South Korea or China goes for Taiwan. Or maybe they can form a new Axis with Hungary and Germany. But even then Poland would have tanks parked in Berlin in two weeks. So I can see the Russians facing total defeat and collapse of their combat fronts and resorting to nukes. All you need to see is the grenade attack on hiding russian troops. It was a slaughter. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:46:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RogueShot12er: So like page 10? This is just a Ukraine rah rah thread. Nothing wrong with that just don't expect unbiased information if you are following it. It is what it is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RogueShot12er: Originally Posted By Tuco22: Can this thread go back to being news and stuff. That'd be great. So like page 10? This is just a Ukraine rah rah thread. Nothing wrong with that just don't expect unbiased information if you are following it. It is what it is. 90% of Arfcom is either indifferent or pro Russia. This is really the only thread that is somewhat pro Ukraine. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:47:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryCrazy how long those flares stay up in the air. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:47:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz:
Malcolm Nance @MalcolmNance · Jan 3 WARNING: 62 days before 1/6 I warned on @RealTimers that Trump would start a political/paramilitary insurgency to seize American democracy. It has begun. I detail the Trump Insurgency in my coming book Not sure what to think about the dude |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:48:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: I have been avoiding posting here because I know it will likely turn into a pissing match, and no one wants that. However, I need to say my piece. A great many of you have lost your fucking minds. Listen, I'm a cold war kid - I love seeing Russian tanks go boom just like everybody in here. I want Russia to lose this war. But they're not going to. Why? Because they are all in. They are about to roll over the fucking country, moving city to city, pounding them with MLRS and turning them into rubble one after the other, and the only question now is whether the world is willing to risk nuclear war to stop them. We are damned if we do, and the Ukes are damned if we don't. Hell they may pop tac nukes just out of spite, and if it seems like they are losing you can be effin SURE they will crack open that canned sunshine. UKRAINE. CANNOT. WIN. THIS.  So. What then. World War 3? Sorry, but my answer is YES. Unless some kind of miracle happens and Putin is deposed, the options remain either Ukraine is subject to a crushing defeat or Poland/NATO intervenes and we are in WW3. OK, there is another possible scenario, we pour weapons into Ukraine and draw Russia into a terrible quagmire, and they somehow brainlessly spend the next 3 or 4 years wasting the entirety of their armed forces beating their heads against a javelin anvil, Ukraine is turned into a wasteland that would make wartorn Syria look inviting, and nearly every man, woman, and child still in the country dies in a twenty-first century reprise of the Holodomor. So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves.  Go whine somewhere else. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:50:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Go whine somewhere else. I smelled boomer in his post. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:50:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryDamn
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:51:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThat's an old video, bruh. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:51:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Malcolm Nance @MalcolmNance Jan 3 WARNING: 62 days before 1/6 I warned on @RealTimers that Trump would start a political/paramilitary insurgency to seize American democracy. It has begun. I detail the Trump Insurgency in my coming book Not sure what to think about the dude Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:
Malcolm Nance @MalcolmNance Jan 3 WARNING: 62 days before 1/6 I warned on @RealTimers that Trump would start a political/paramilitary insurgency to seize American democracy. It has begun. I detail the Trump Insurgency in my coming book Not sure what to think about the dude I'm not a fan of his but props for stepping up. Some people need an enemy and better him fighting actual evil than stirring up domestic strife. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:51:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: 90% of Arfcom is either indifferent or pro Russia. This is really the only thread that is somewhat pro Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By RogueShot12er: Originally Posted By Tuco22: Can this thread go back to being news and stuff. That'd be great. So like page 10? This is just a Ukraine rah rah thread. Nothing wrong with that just don't expect unbiased information if you are following it. It is what it is. 90% of Arfcom is either indifferent or pro Russia. This is really the only thread that is somewhat pro Ukraine. GD is more pro Russia than my Russian wife. It's pathetic. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:51:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Malcolm Nance @MalcolmNance · Jan 3 WARNING: 62 days before 1/6 I warned on @RealTimers that Trump would start a political/paramilitary insurgency to seize American democracy. It has begun. I detail the Trump Insurgency in my coming book Not sure what to think about the dude He's an MSNBC twat. Allegedly joined up with the international legion in Ukraine. A useless talking head actually putting his ass on the line? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:51:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: All you need to see is the grenade attack on hiding russian troops. It was a slaughter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By Drakich: Ukraine has shorter lines for redeployment but have little interdiction risk. A lot of the unite Russia is looking to move have been chewed up and either need to be reinforced or merged with other units in order to be combat effective. As time goes on, I think Ukraine gets stronger. Russia is already cannibalizing it’s domestic truck fleet to support the war…they are already at their logistic limit. If they “fully mobilize” and throw another 200k to 2 million troops at Ukraine…how are they going to supply them? They have no ability outside of maybe China to qualitatively replace their equipment losses, so their forces will degrade not get better. Meanwhile, the opposite is true for Ukraine. Their forces will be increasingly equipped with near top of the line Western gear. The fact that Russia is 2.5x the size of Ukraine no longer matters because of the stark difference in combat effectiveness of Ukraine and the increasing technological edge that is manifesting. Honestly, the only hope for Russia is if North Korea goes for South Korea or China goes for Taiwan. Or maybe they can form a new Axis with Hungary and Germany. But even then Poland would have tanks parked in Berlin in two weeks. So I can see the Russians facing total defeat and collapse of their combat fronts and resorting to nukes. All you need to see is the grenade attack on hiding russian troops. It was a slaughter. It really was. And imagine that repeated across the whole country. No way Ukraine has only lost 2k troops (IMHO), but they are chewing up the Russians. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:51:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: That's a fair question. But I think russia is likely to see this one differently. The world has massively come to the aid of Ukraine, and Ukrained has badly hurt russia, mostly because of help from the world. So I doubt russia sees this as a situation where they are going to bomb the shit out of some smaller army then take a victory lap and go home. The russian army has been embarassed and wounded repeatedly, and now the fight is getting closer to their own border. They thought they would be ruling or destroying Kiev right now. They are going to be very, very motivated to win the battle that has just started. Politically motivated for sure, but I wonder how well that motivation carries over to the front-line troops. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:53:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15:Go whine somewhere else. Hell, if you read it properly, you will hear the genuine enthusiasm and quiet excitement I have in my heart for a much needed third world war.  |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:53:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: I smelled boomer in his post. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Go whine somewhere else. I smelled boomer in his post. I have lost over two dozen friends over this fucken shit.....including Hungarians and so called right wing Americans..... Fuck them.. FUCK RUSSIA.. fuck the fucken koolaid of Alexandervich Jonesikov... fuck them all..... Slava Ukraina...and I say that as a proud Hungarian..... |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:53:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: That's an old video, bruh. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: That's an old video, bruh. I want to say its some middle eastern country, maybe Saudi Arabia, on a training exercise? Swear I've seen it before |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:54:11 PM EST
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It seems pretty obvious what Russia is going to try to do. Tie down UA in Donetsk, while pincer moves happen from the north from Karkov to Dnipro 100miles west of Donetsk. At the same time attack from the south along the east side of the dneiper river. This would trap a huge number of UA troops via the encirclement created. My question is if the Russians have the numbers of troops or the logistics to make this happen? Based on the last month or so, I say no, but who knows. Were the Russians really holding back?
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:54:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: I want to say its some middle eastern country, maybe Saudi Arabia, on a training exercise? Swear I've seen it before Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: That's an old video, bruh. I want to say its some middle eastern country, maybe Saudi Arabia, on a training exercise? Swear I've seen it before I believe you're exactly right. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:54:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: GD is more pro Russia than my Russian wife. It's pathetic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By RogueShot12er: Originally Posted By Tuco22: Can this thread go back to being news and stuff. That'd be great. So like page 10? This is just a Ukraine rah rah thread. Nothing wrong with that just don't expect unbiased information if you are following it. It is what it is. 90% of Arfcom is either indifferent or pro Russia. This is really the only thread that is somewhat pro Ukraine. GD is more pro Russia than my Russian wife. It's pathetic. Damn. Is it really that bad? I've been mostly avoiding it out of fear I'll lose a lot of respect for members or this community. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:55:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: That wasn't whining. It was chiding. The readers of this thread need an honest assessment of the situation. Hell, if you read it properly, you will hear the genuine enthusiasm and quiet excitement I have in my heart for a much needed third world war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: Originally Posted By Cypher15:Go whine somewhere else. Hell, if you read it properly, you will hear the genuine enthusiasm and quiet excitement I have in my heart for a much needed third world war. The Ukrainians pushed them completely out of the northern part of the country. They may not be able to recover the east, but the fact that they WILL remain Ukraine is a win. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:56:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Damn. Is it really that bad? I've been mostly avoiding it out of fear I'll lose a lot of respect for members or this community. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By RogueShot12er: Originally Posted By Tuco22: Can this thread go back to being news and stuff. That'd be great. So like page 10? This is just a Ukraine rah rah thread. Nothing wrong with that just don't expect unbiased information if you are following it. It is what it is. 90% of Arfcom is either indifferent or pro Russia. This is really the only thread that is somewhat pro Ukraine. GD is more pro Russia than my Russian wife. It's pathetic. Damn. Is it really that bad? I've been mostly avoiding it out of fear I'll lose a lot of respect for members or this community. I checked it today after having been only in this thread and immediately regretted it. Yes it's that bad. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:59:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amanbearpig: I thought staff suggested we should stop calling everyone who had a slight difference of opinion a "Communist"? I don't get why NBCMarine was kicked from the thread other than having a slightly different opinion?  I didn't get a "trolling" vibe. If it's for the "reading comprehension" quote that is pretty tame for this thread. He's trolling and trying to derail the thread. Fuck him. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:59:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: two frames of a close up shell explosion.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 7:59:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: All you need to see is the grenade attack on hiding russian troops. It was a slaughter. @lorazepam What are you referring to? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:01:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Damn. Is it really that bad? I've been mostly avoiding it out of fear I'll lose a lot of respect for members or this community. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By RogueShot12er: Originally Posted By Tuco22: Can this thread go back to being news and stuff. That'd be great. So like page 10? This is just a Ukraine rah rah thread. Nothing wrong with that just don't expect unbiased information if you are following it. It is what it is. 90% of Arfcom is either indifferent or pro Russia. This is really the only thread that is somewhat pro Ukraine. GD is more pro Russia than my Russian wife. It's pathetic. Damn. Is it really that bad? I've been mostly avoiding it out of fear I'll lose a lot of respect for members or this community. There's a reason that I pretty much quit coming to GD over a month ago, other than this thread. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:01:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmjung: Politically motivated for sure, but I wonder how well that motivation carries over to the front-line troops. I don't see the Russians being very very motivated at all. For every three tanks knocked out, they abandoned two. High end electronic warfare equipment that would provide great intelligence damage to their country...given up without a fight. I don't see any reason in the last three weeks that they will go from "most unmotivated invading army since Mussolini" to something different. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:04:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: I checked it today after having been only in this thread and immediately regretted it. Yes it's that bad. Thanks. I'll continue to avoid it in the hopes that these people eventually unfuck themselves. For all the talk of Russia's failures, they sure knocked that one out of the park. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:05:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: It really was. And imagine that repeated across the whole country. No way Ukraine has only lost 2k troops (IMHO), but they are chewing up the Russians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By Drakich: Ukraine has shorter lines for redeployment but have little interdiction risk. A lot of the unite Russia is looking to move have been chewed up and either need to be reinforced or merged with other units in order to be combat effective. As time goes on, I think Ukraine gets stronger. Russia is already cannibalizing it’s domestic truck fleet to support the war…they are already at their logistic limit. If they “fully mobilize” and throw another 200k to 2 million troops at Ukraine…how are they going to supply them? They have no ability outside of maybe China to qualitatively replace their equipment losses, so their forces will degrade not get better. Meanwhile, the opposite is true for Ukraine. Their forces will be increasingly equipped with near top of the line Western gear. The fact that Russia is 2.5x the size of Ukraine no longer matters because of the stark difference in combat effectiveness of Ukraine and the increasing technological edge that is manifesting. Honestly, the only hope for Russia is if North Korea goes for South Korea or China goes for Taiwan. Or maybe they can form a new Axis with Hungary and Germany. But even then Poland would have tanks parked in Berlin in two weeks. So I can see the Russians facing total defeat and collapse of their combat fronts and resorting to nukes. All you need to see is the grenade attack on hiding russian troops. It was a slaughter. It really was. And imagine that repeated across the whole country. No way Ukraine has only lost 2k troops (IMHO), but they are chewing up the Russians. I called out the losses a few days ago, no way UA has only lost their stated 3K+ but they have had a favorable W-L ratio so far. Hopefully they find a way to maintain favorable losses in the east. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:05:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Damn. Is it really that bad? I've been mostly avoiding it out of fear I'll lose a lot of respect for members or this community. Yes it is. I try to find joy riling them up over their terribly misguided opinions but when i stop to think about how tragic it is when self proclaimed patriots put Russia ahead of their own country it makes me sad.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:06:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Thanks. I'll continue to avoid it in the hopes that these people eventually unfuck themselves. For all the talk of Russia's failures, they sure knocked that one out of the park. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: I checked it today after having been only in this thread and immediately regretted it. Yes it's that bad. Thanks. I'll continue to avoid it in the hopes that these people eventually unfuck themselves. For all the talk of Russia's failures, they sure knocked that one out of the park. They sure did man, they did a fantastic job at that. I'll give them credit where it's due. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:08:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: It shouldn't be crazy to us. Imagine if the US went through some sort of political upheaval and the entire land of the Louisiana purchase broke away. Putin wants it back. Mother Russia NEEDS it back. He now realizes the Ukrainians don't want to come back, so he is willing to kill and terrorize them as he needs the natural resources. Its been done before by Stalin. Many many times. A few years of sanctions and the loss of untold grunts are the price to be paid. Frankly, this is the Soviets' SOP. This is how they BUILT the sonofabitch and held it together. Get the resources, life is cheap. and these are his heroes. the #Russiancolonialism twitter feed is worth a gander. https://twitter.com/MaximEristavi/status/1495323069539405826 That was the original plan. Its hard to say where he is now. He could cut his losses. He could realize that if there is peace, in five years Ukraine is armed to the teeth. So really his only shot is now. Honestly, a loophole in the sanctions could convince him that he has the money to rearm and try again in five, but without weapons imports that's out. He has been put in a a box of our making and he has to blast his way out. So logically, he masses everything in the Donbass. He is going to pay alot and he needs to get his moneys worth. He needs that coal and that gas to justify this. In his mind he is a patriot, a Tsar, and the Russian economy is going to take a hit. But its okay if he gets Ukraine back. Its a long term win for the motherland. He's a man knifing another man to steal a life boat for his drowning family. Sanctions don't matter. In his mind, he's the hard man doing the necessary. He's the man the Russians need. What is illogical to me is that we should be realizing that if he is going to take his shot in a concentrated blitzkrieg, all in with the Army, Ukraine needs weapons. Lots of them. Frankly, throwing in Afghanistan, this administration will get destroyed in November if we half ass the support and the Russians crush the Ukrainians. Noone like a loser. Its been all-in for weeks now. For everyone. Noone can walk away from this card table. Its going to get decided one way or the other on the battlefield. @CharlieR Well said I agree |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:08:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: 90% of Arfcom is either indifferent or pro Russia. This is really the only thread that is somewhat pro Ukraine. That is almost entirely self inflicted by people in this thread. Most people don't give a shit either way and when a bunch of tards try to mouth breath around playing thought police people are going to automatically reject whatever bullshit they're spewing. It's such a great story too. All war heroes and big titted blonds. The calm cool professionals schooling the godless orcs. Only gd could fuck that up 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:09:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: @lorazepam What are you referring to? It is in Mariupol. Russian troops were engaged, a couple of their vehicles were destroyed. It looked like 8 or so of them hiding by a red van, and the Ukranian troop lobbed a few grenades over a wall and shredded them. They put up zero defense, laid on the sidewalk and died. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:09:25 PM EST
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:09:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Mouth wrote checks his ass can't cash? I haven't been keeping up with him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Originally Posted By sq40: FYI, Alex Jones / InfoWars filed for bankruptcy today. Mouth wrote checks his ass can't cash? I haven't been keeping up with him. The fucktard got lit up in court for his theory that the parents of the victims at Newtown were “crisis actors”, IIRC |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:09:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: I smelled boomer in his post. 
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:10:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryAt 1:10 I hear and see what looks like a Javelin being fired lofting high, so all this outgoing fire is Ukrainian? |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:13:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: Graphic:
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:14:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: I have been avoiding posting here because I know it will likely turn into a pissing match, and no one wants that. However, I need to say my piece. A great many of you have lost your fucking minds. Listen, I'm a cold war kid - I love seeing Russian tanks go boom just like everybody in here. I want Russia to lose this war. But they're not going to. Why? Because they are all in. They are about to roll over the fucking country, moving city to city, pounding them with MLRS and turning them into rubble one after the other, and the only question now is whether the world is willing to risk nuclear war to stop them. We are damned if we do, and the Ukes are damned if we don't. Hell they may pop tac nukes just out of spite, and if it seems like they are losing you can be effin SURE they will crack open that canned sunshine. UKRAINE. CANNOT. WIN. THIS. So. What then. World War 3? Sorry, but my answer is YES. Unless some kind of miracle happens and Putin is deposed, the options remain either Ukraine is subject to a crushing defeat or Poland/NATO intervenes and we are in WW3. OK, there is another possible scenario, we pour weapons into Ukraine and draw Russia into a terrible quagmire, and they somehow brainlessly spend the next 3 or 4 years wasting the entirety of their armed forces beating their heads against a javelin anvil, Ukraine is turned into a wasteland that would make wartorn Syria look inviting, and nearly every man, woman, and child still in the country dies in a twenty-first century reprise of the Holodomor. So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: Originally Posted By AROKIE: One thing that sucks about this war is hiw much its divided us here, and I'm to blame also for that. I've attacked other for being Russian shills etc. Because I whole heartedly believe that the Ukrainians need all the help we can give them. But I don't want to make the divide wider here between members. Trolls excluded of course. But I do recognize that others may have a differing opinion than myself but doesn't mean they are not just as American as me. Just my 2 cents carry on So. What then. World War 3? Sorry, but my answer is YES. Unless some kind of miracle happens and Putin is deposed, the options remain either Ukraine is subject to a crushing defeat or Poland/NATO intervenes and we are in WW3. OK, there is another possible scenario, we pour weapons into Ukraine and draw Russia into a terrible quagmire, and they somehow brainlessly spend the next 3 or 4 years wasting the entirety of their armed forces beating their heads against a javelin anvil, Ukraine is turned into a wasteland that would make wartorn Syria look inviting, and nearly every man, woman, and child still in the country dies in a twenty-first century reprise of the Holodomor. So WW3 it is. I'm predicting it. I give it two more months, and it will go nuclear within weeks of Nato stepping in. Maybe days. Prepare yourselves. I agree. if you also mean to say that we should shrink away from WW3, I would disagree with that. Russia hasn't changed from the evil bastards they were over the last 100 years and are proving themselves a blight on the face of the Earth. I think the position early in the war was that UKR wasn't our business too much and we could tolerate atrocities by secluding RUS from the West, but it is becoming apparent they are genocidal expansionists and further such incursions are inevitable. Let the natural conclusion come even if it is WW3, we can't be held hostage with a threat of nuclear war. if it comes it that, it comes to that. they won't win. is it worth it? that has been the question so far. the answer is increasingly tilting toward Yes. actually it would be better to get it over with now. they will have more and better nuclear armaments in a few years. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:15:45 PM EST
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Firing artillery, especially without counter battery fire incoming, is one thing. Organizing and conducting mass attacks and pincer movements is quite another. The Russian troops aren't any more motivated than they were a month ago.
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:17:41 PM EST
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Any updated KIA, WIA numbers on Ruskies?
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:17:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenMushroom: That is almost entirely self inflicted by people in this thread. Most people don't give a shit either way and when a bunch of tards try to mouth breath around playing thought police people are going to automatically reject whatever bullshit they're spewing. It's such a great story too. All war heroes and big titted blonds. The calm cool professionals schooling the godless orcs. Only gd could fuck that up It's funny that all the people who say "I'm not brainwashed" almost always say the same exact thing. Almost of they cut and paste it from someone else |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:18:31 PM EST
[#47]
Today's assessment direct link https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-18
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:18:52 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: GD is more pro Russia than my Russian wife. It's pathetic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By RogueShot12er: Originally Posted By Tuco22: Can this thread go back to being news and stuff. That'd be great. So like page 10? This is just a Ukraine rah rah thread. Nothing wrong with that just don't expect unbiased information if you are following it. It is what it is. 90% of Arfcom is either indifferent or pro Russia. This is really the only thread that is somewhat pro Ukraine. GD is more pro Russia than my Russian wife. It's pathetic. Because so many eat up Q crap… |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:20:19 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MinnJarhead: It seems pretty obvious what Russia is going to try to do. Tie down UA in Donetsk, while pincer moves happen from the north from Karkov to Dnipro 100miles west of Donetsk. At the same time attack from the south along the east side of the dneiper river. This would trap a huge number of UA troops via the encirclement created. My question is if the Russians have the numbers of troops or the logistics to make this happen? Based on the last month or so, I say no, but who knows. Were the Russians really holding back? Russia had major issue supplying their column that drove to 100 miles to Kiev. I don’t think they have the operational or logistical skill to execute a deep envelopment. I think the Ukrainians will hit their flanks and roll up both columns if they try that. I don’t see a path to success for the Russians without using nukes - and that will only result in localized success because I think someone- maybe the US, maybe France, maybe the UK will nuke Russia in response. No way anyone lets Russia nuke a non-nuclear country and get away with it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2022 8:21:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Solid grenade use. Those guys lying by the wall must have already been shot up. I can't imagine just lying there while getting grenaded. |
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