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Russian Ambassador Doused In Red Paint By Antiwar Protesters In Poland View Quote ![]() Russian ambassador doused in red by anti-war protesters in Poland |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: Eh,if “callouts” were allowed it would be possible to list a dozen accounts that do nothing but regurgitate Russian propaganda 🤷🏼♂️ Had Trump won the election Moscow would have had a guy who has said that Ukrainians and Russians are indistinguishable as a people,Zelensky is a globalist puppet,the massacres in Ukraine shouldn’t be taken as legitimate…in the White House advising national security. They are very good at manipulating the dumb and distraught,I will give credit where credit is due. They were so successful with the left that they turned to the right and GD is proof that it works. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Russian YouTuber NFKRZ explaining the effectiveness of Russian propaganda. ![]() Eh,if “callouts” were allowed it would be possible to list a dozen accounts that do nothing but regurgitate Russian propaganda 🤷🏼♂️ Had Trump won the election Moscow would have had a guy who has said that Ukrainians and Russians are indistinguishable as a people,Zelensky is a globalist puppet,the massacres in Ukraine shouldn’t be taken as legitimate…in the White House advising national security. They are very good at manipulating the dumb and distraught,I will give credit where credit is due. They were so successful with the left that they turned to the right and GD is proof that it works. Took me a bit to warm up to Trump ( remember, he was a Dumbocrat most of his life ) but now firmly believe that he has been the best president since at least Reagan. And yes, he would have smashed the russians like he did in Syria. No doubt about that. Never trusted the russians even a tiny bit and as you can check here always considered putin to be a pos KGB thug. So no, you're not correct in your analysis just like you usually are wrong when it comes to Trump ( which is a proof that you too are not immune when it comes to propaganda ) |
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Interesting implications concerning Ukraine's claimed numbers of Russian KIAs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Dracster: "About 32,000 Russians have sent inquiries to find their soldiers. The wives and mothers of Russian soldiers are actively contacting the Ministry of Internal Affairs to find out where their husbands and sons are. The adviser to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Victor Andrusiv told about it: "Around 12,000 appeals, maybe even more, we received on our hotline, which was created just for Russian citizens. And we received about 20,000 appeals in a special bot of the Telegram channel "Look for your beloved ones"." Interesting implications concerning Ukraine's claimed numbers of Russian KIAs. KIA/BNR,deserted,imprisoned for desertion…account for a bunch more Russians that can’t be tallied as KIA and POW. Of course we don’t know how many Russians have been fighting for 2 months that still haven’t contacted home and whose command will say nothing as well if parents or spouses ask. |
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Originally Posted By elcope:
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It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: KIA/BNR,deserted,imprisoned for desertion…account for a bunch more Russians that can’t be tallied as KIA and POW. Of course we don’t know how many Russians have been fighting for 2 months that still haven’t contacted home and whose command will say nothing as well if parents or spouses ask. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Dracster: "About 32,000 Russians have sent inquiries to find their soldiers. The wives and mothers of Russian soldiers are actively contacting the Ministry of Internal Affairs to find out where their husbands and sons are. The adviser to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Victor Andrusiv told about it: "Around 12,000 appeals, maybe even more, we received on our hotline, which was created just for Russian citizens. And we received about 20,000 appeals in a special bot of the Telegram channel "Look for your beloved ones"." Interesting implications concerning Ukraine's claimed numbers of Russian KIAs. KIA/BNR,deserted,imprisoned for desertion…account for a bunch more Russians that can’t be tallied as KIA and POW. Of course we don’t know how many Russians have been fighting for 2 months that still haven’t contacted home and whose command will say nothing as well if parents or spouses ask. That's true. My wife has two acquittances who have a husband and a son in UKR and have not heard from either in a very long time. |
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Wagner in Popasna.
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Originally Posted By realwar: The new headline Putin twists the truth as he declares Russia is now fighting for its survival during Victory Day parade featuring Ukraine invasion 'Z' symbols - while Doomsday jet flyover is mysteriously axed Vladimir Putin gave a chest-beating speech to his troops during Moscow's Victory Day parade today - telling soldiers that they are now fighting for the security of the nation against what he called Western plans to invade. Seeking to re-frame his war in Ukraine as a war between Russia and the West, he declared NATO to be the aggressor and said he is trying to deescalate the situation with a 'special military operation' which he declared to be 'the only right decision' against a 'neo-Nazi' regime in Kyiv. He also sought to twist the truth of what is happening on the ground in Ukraine, hailing a day of 'great victory' despite Russia's battlefield defeats and telling his men they are fighting a just war despite plentiful evidence of war crimes in occupied territories. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/09/08/57577773-10796519-image-a-48_1652080143325.jpg But he stopped short of what many had feared: An official declaration of war on Kyiv which would have allowed him to mobilise Russia's military reserves and conscript civilians in order to escalate fighting across the border. And a planned flyover by military jets including his 'Doomsday jet' - which would allow him to continue ruling Russia in the event of a nuclear blast - was also axed at the last minute which state media said was due to bad weather, but which rumours suggested could be due to fears of attacks. The vehicle parade is also downsized from previous years, featuring almost a third fewer than in 2020 because Russia has committed - and lost - so many of its ground forces in Ukraine. Putin's speech came after a parade through the streets of Vladivostok that featured tanks streaming Soviet banners and 'Z' symbols emblazoned on the site of motorbikes in the orange and black colours of the Saint George's ribbon, the highest decoration of Imperial Russia. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/09/07/57576061-0-image-a-9_1652078554348.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/09/09/57579917-10796519-image-a-99_1652084450727.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/09/09/57579907-10796519-image-a-101_1652084454899.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/09/09/57579921-10796519-image-a-105_1652084472329.jpg Goose-stepping soldiers followed close behind, rifles held across their chests which were emblazoned with a ribbon in the same Saint George's colours. A Soviet-era motorbike and sidecar joined them, a 'Z' symbol - which has become synonymous with Russia's war in Ukraine - stuck on the side in the same black and organ livery. The parade in Vladivostok - which is seven hours ahead of Moscow time - took place ahead of the main parade which will process through Red Square later today. Vladimir Putin is due to oversee it, and is expected to give a speech hailing Russia's military might and drumming up support for the war in Ukraine. But after the failure of Russia's generals to seize Kyiv and with their offensive in Donbas largely at a standstill, there will be little for Putin to cheer. That has led to speculation - denied by the Kremlin - that Putin will instead use the speech to announce a further escalation in the fighting. Putin could use his speech to officially declare war on Ukraine instead of the 'special military operation' he is currently waging, allowing him to call up Russia's military reserves and perhaps conscript more men into the army in the hopes of turning the tide of war in his favour. President Zelensky has warned his nation to be on high alert for missiles strikes across the country today, suspecting that Russia will try to dampen any displays of defiance using withering rocket and artillery fire. All of which comes against a back-drop of increased nuclear threats from the Kremlin and Russian state media, adding to the lingering fear that a desperate and detached Putin could order an atomic strike either on Ukraine or its allies in order to achieve victory by shock and awe. PICS View Quote Thanks for the pics link. I think it is pretty bad ass when countries keep a few of the old staples around for parades and such. The T-34, motor cycle and Su-85? were pretty cool. I'm a little surprised they had a jeep in the parade. I know we don't really do the parade thing here, but it would be cool to see some Shermans, halftracks, Greyhounds etc driving down the street on the 4th of July or Memorial Day. The Brits still have some WWII aircraft in an RAF squadron. |
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Mid-level Russian officers refusing orders in Ukraine, Pentagon assesses Middle-rank Russian military officers in Ukraine are disobeying their commanders, the Pentagon assessed Monday, the latest sign of problems with discipline and morale for the Kremlin’s military in the third month of its invasion. The officers not obeying appear to have positions as senior as battalion commander, a senior U.S. defense official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the Pentagon. In other cases, the officers are not acting with the “alacrity” that would be expected, the official said. The assessment came as Russian President Vladimir Putin defended the Feb. 24 invasion and the continuing bloodshed in Ukraine. Putin, speaking on Moscow’s traditional Victory Day celebration marking the defeat of Germany in World War II, falsely called Ukrainians “Nazi filth” and claimed without evidence that the Ukrainian government was planning to build nuclear weapons. Russia has continued to slowly insert additional military units into eastern Ukraine, after failing in its earlier attempt to seize the capital, Kyiv, and several other major population centers. As of Monday, Russia had about 97 battalion tactical groups in Ukraine, up a few from last week, the Pentagon said. Russian forces have continued to struggle in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region in the face of stiff resistance, the senior U.S. defense official said. In the last few days, Russian forces south of the town of Izyum have advanced a “single-digit” number of kilometers, the official added. The Pentagon has seen no sign of the Kremlin trying to mobilize additional forces in Russia that are not already focused on Ukraine, the official said. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Prime: Wagner in Popasna.
View Quote Saw that couple days ago. Ukraine accused them of indiscriminately shooting civilians ![]() |
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Russia shoulda listened to this guy; he called the war nearly verbatim on Feb 3rd before the invasion: https://i.redd.it/4n4tmusnlay81.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Russia shoulda listened to this guy; he called the war nearly verbatim on Feb 3rd before the invasion: https://i.redd.it/4n4tmusnlay81.jpg Full article (from a Russian source); Forecasts of bloodthirsty political scientists About enthusiastic hawks and hasty cuckoos Mikhail Khodarenok About the author: Mikhail Mikhailovich Khodarenok - ex-chief of the group of the 1st direction of the 1st Directorate of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Colonel Some representatives of the Russian political class today claim that Russia is able to inflict a crushing defeat on Ukraine in a few hours (called shorter terms) if a military conflict begins. Let's see how such statements correspond to reality. The opinion in the expert community of Russia has recently become quite entrenched that it will not even be necessary to bring troops into the territory of Ukraine, as the Armed Forces of this country are in a deplorable state. Some political scientists emphasize that almost all surveillance and communication systems, artillery and tank formations will be destroyed by a powerful fire strike by Russia. Moreover, a number of experts conclude that even one crushing blow by Russia will be enough for such a war to end. As a cherry on the cake, individual analysts emphasize the fact that no one in Ukraine will defend the "Kiev regime". THERE WILL BE NO EASY WALK Let's start with the last one. To claim that no one in Ukraine will defend the regime means in practice complete ignorance of the military and political situation and the moods of the broad masses in a neighboring state. Moreover, the degree of hatred (which, as you know, is the most effective fuel for armed struggle) in the neighboring republic in relation to Moscow is frankly underestimated. No one will meet the Russian army with bread, salt and flowers in Ukraine. It seems that the events in the south-east of Ukraine in 2014 taught no one anything. Then they also expected that the whole left-bank Ukraine would turn to Novorossiya in a single impulse and in a matter of seconds. They have already drawn maps, estimated the staff of future administrations of cities and regions, and developed national flags. But even the Russian-speaking population of this part of Ukraine (including cities such as Kharkiv, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Mariupol) did not support such plans in its vast majority. The Novorossiya project somehow imperceptibly blown away and died quietly. In short, there is no way to make a liberation campaign in 2022 on the model and likeness of 1939. In this case, the words of the classic of Soviet literature Arkady Gaidar are more correct than ever: "You can see that we will have not an easy fight now, but a hard battle." "SMALL BLOOD, A MIGHTY BLOW" Now about the "powerful fire strike of Russia", which allegedly will destroy "almost all surveillance and communication systems, artillery and tank formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine." Only one expression shows that only political workers could say this. For reference: during hypothetical military operations on the scale of the theater of operations, strikes on priority objects and massive fire strikes are carried out. Note that in the course of operational and strategic planning, the epithets "powerful" (as well as "medium", "weak", etc.) are not applied. Military science emphasizes that strikes can be strategic (this mainly applies to strategic nuclear forces), operational and tactical. According to the number of involved forces and objects hit, the strikes can be massive, group and single. And it is still better not to introduce or use other concepts, even in political works. Strikes on priority targets and massive fire strikes can be carried out within the front (fronts on the western borders of Russia have not yet been formed) or the main command of the armed forces in the theater of operations (until it has been created in the South-West strategic direction either). Anything smaller than this is no longer a massive blow. And what is, for example, a massive fire strike (MOU) of the front? To begin with, we note that the maximum number of combat-ready forces and means of aviation, missile troops and artillery, EW equipment at the disposal of the commander of the front troops (operational and strategic association) is involved in the MOU. MOU is one massive flight of aviation, two or three launches of OTR and TR missile systems, several artillery fire raids. It is good if the degree of fire defeat of the enemy is 60-70%. What is the most important thing in this matter in relation to the conflict with Ukraine? Of course, MOU will cause heavy losses to the probable enemy. But to count on just one such blow to crush the armed forces of an entire state means to show simply unbridled optimism in the planning and conduct of hostilities. Such MOUs in the course of hypothetical strategic actions will have to be applied not one or two, but much more. To this it must be added that the stockpiles of promising and high-precision weapons in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are not of any limitless nature. Zircon-class hypersonic missiles are not yet in service. And the number of "Calibers" (sea-based cruise missiles), "Daggers", X-101 (air-based cruise missiles) and missiles to the "Iskanders" is at best measured in hundreds (dozens in the case of "Daggers"). This arsenal is not enough to erase a state the size of France and a population of more than 40 million people from the face of the Earth. Namely, these are the parameters that Ukraine is characterized. ABOUT DOMINATION IN THE AIR Sometimes the Russian expert community claims (adors of the Douai doctrine) that since hypothetical hostilities in Ukraine will take place under the complete dominance of Russian aviation in the air, the war will be extremely short and will end in the shortest possible time. At the same time, it is somehow forgotten that the armed formations of the Afghan opposition did not have a single aircraft or a single combat helicopter during the conflict of 1979-1989. And the war in this country lasted for as long as 10 years. There was not a single aircraft for Chechen militants either. And the fight against them lasted several years and cost the federal forces great blood and sacrifices. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine still have any combat aviation. As well as air defense equipment. By the way, Ukrainian calculations of anti-aircraft missile troops (not Georgian) significantly pinched the Russian Air Force during the 2008 conflict. After the first day of hostilities, the leadership of the Russian Air Force was in open shock from the losses suffered. And don't forget about it. PAID IN ADVANCE Now about the thesis "The Armed Forces of Ukraine are in a deplorable state." Of course, the Armed Forces of Ukraine has problems with aviation and modern air defense systems. But the following must be admitted. If until 2014 the Armed Forces of Ukraine were a fragment of the Soviet army, over the past seven years a qualitatively different army has been created in Ukraine, on a completely different ideological basis and largely on NATO standards. And today very modern weapons and equipment are coming and continue to arrive in Ukraine from many countries of the North Atlantic Alliance. As for the weakest point of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - the Air Force. It cannot be ruled out that the collective West can supply fighters to Kiev in a fairly short time, as they say, from the presence of armed forces - in other words, used. However, this second-hand in its tactical and technical characteristics will be quite comparable to most aircraft of the Russian fleet. Of course, today the Armed Forces of Ukraine are significantly inferior to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in their combat and operational capabilities. No one has any doubts about it - neither in the East nor in the West. But you can't treat this army lightly either. In this regard, you should always remember the covenant of Alexander Suvorov: "Never despise your enemy, do not consider him stupider and weaker than you." Now as for the claim that Western countries will not send a single soldier to die for Ukraine. It should be noted that most likely it will be so. However, this does not exclude in the event of Russia's invasion of massive assistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the collective West with a wide variety of weapons and military equipment and volume supplies of all kinds of material means. In this regard, the West has already shown an unprecedented consolidated position, which does not seem to have been predicted in Moscow. There is no doubt that some reincarnation of Lend-Lease modeled and likeness of World War II will begin on the part of the United States and the North Atlantic Alliance countries. There may be an influx of volunteers from the West, of whom there may be a lot. GUERRILLAS AND UNDERGROUND FIGHTERS And finally, about the duration of the hypothetical campaign. In the Russian expert community, they are called several hours, sometimes even a few tens of minutes. At the same time, it is somehow forgotten that we have already gone through all this. The phrase "take the city with one parachute landing regiment in two hours" has already become a classic of the genre. It is also worth recalling that the mighty Stalinist NKVD and the multimillion-dollar Soviet army have fought the nationalist underground in Western Ukraine for more than 10 years. And now there is an option that the whole of Ukraine can easily become partisans. In addition, these formations can easily begin to operate on the territory of Russia. Armed struggle in large Ukrainian cities is generally difficult to predict. It is well known that the big city is the best battlefield for the weak and less technically advanced side of the armed conflict. Serious experts emphasize that in the metropolis it is possible not only to concentrate a group of thousands or even tens of thousands of fighters, but also to hide it from the superior firepower of the enemy. And also to supply it with material resources for a long time and make up for losses in people and equipment. Neither mountains, nor forests, nor jungle provide such an opportunity today. Experts are convinced that the urban environment helps the defenders, slows down the movement of attackers, allows you to place a record number of fighters per unit area, compensates for the backlog in strength and technology. And in Ukraine, there are more than enough large cities, including those with a million people. So the Russian army during the hypothetical war with Ukraine may meet more than one Stalingrad and Grozny. CONCLUSIONS In general, there will be no Ukrainian blitzkrieg. Statements of some experts such as "The Russian army will defeat most of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 30-40 minutes", "Russia is able to defeat Ukraine in 10 minutes in case of a full-scale war", "Russia will defeat Ukraine in eight minutes" have no serious reason. And finally, most importantly. The armed conflict with Ukraine is currently fundamentally in the interests of Russia. Therefore, some overexcited Russian experts should forget about their hat-infancy fantasies. And in order to prevent further reputational losses, never remember again. |
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Originally Posted By Prime:
View Quote People said moving closer to their support would help with logistics, and they wouldn't be able to outrun it. They aren't even moving and they're still having issues. Vlad needs to hurry up and call victory before he loses what he started with. |
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Originally Posted By Abakan: Took me a bit to warm up to Trump ( remember, he was a Dumbocrat most of his life ) but now firmly believe that he has been the best president since at least Reagan. And yes, he would have smashed the russians like he did in Syria. No doubt about that. Never trusted the russians even a tiny bit and as you can check here always considered putin to be a pos KGB thug. So no, you're not correct in your analysis just like you usually are wrong when it comes to Trump ( which is a proof that you too are not immune when it comes to propaganda ) View Quote Added spoiler tag to not take up space but I think MTG,Cawthorn and Gosar are who demonstrate what current policy would be and the reason for that is how he would arrived at his conclusions: from the same sources they are. Click To View Spoiler Trump selected someone who has been paid by Moscow to give anti-Western opinions as a candidate for Ambassador to Germany and is who he took in as security advisor in the dying days of his administration. Had he remained in this position in the second Trump administration then Moscow would absolutely have had a voice in the White House. You could argue that Trump didn’t actually know much about the guy nor what his positions were but it was the third time the Trump team,if not Trump himself,had chosen him for a job as he also was on the appointed USMA advisory board. It has been over 2 months and Trump’s most eloquent statement on the matter is a ramble about windmills. He has still said nothing opposing the invasion nor in support of Ukraine. I do not know if Trump would have changed his mind or not but add Macgregor to Manafort and Flynn and he has a curious number of pro-Russians he has selected. Regarding Syria,you are leaving out some pertinent information: it is hardly as if Trump ordered anyone to fight Russians in Syria . The Russians had told the US that there were no Russians in the area and in fact during the incident were telling US local commanders that no Russians was involved. I suppose it makes a better story to think that Trump knew what the Russians were up to and gave an order to smash them but that is in no way the case. Local commanders used their ability to protect themselves and it happened to be Russians among the attackers. Do you really think every bit of combat is cleared thought the White House? Seriously? What is the case though is that the fellow who is sculpting opinions by appearing on Tucker Carlson and whose lines from Moscow are repeated on this site indeed had a job in the Trump administration and could very well be telling the President the exact same sort of things right now. It is speculation that he would still have had a job 500 days in but it isn’t speculation as to what his POV is. ![]() |
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Originally Posted By realwar: With all these yacht seizures they are going to have to figure out something quick as these things take millions in upkeep every year just to keep them sitting in storage. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: That is what we should have tested quicksink on. With all these yacht seizures they are going to have to figure out something quick as these things take millions in upkeep every year just to keep them sitting in storage. Even if I had fuck you money and got it really cheap, I would not want to buy that yacht. I could see Putin putting a hit out on whomever bought it. Put for pennys on the dollar some schmo will buy it, and likely end up with novichok in his underwear. |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: You can have your own opinions,you cannot fabricate facts. Yes,Trump selected someone who has been paid by Moscow to give anti-Western opinions as a candidate for Ambassador to Germany and is who he took in as security advisor in the dying days of his administration. Had he remained in this position in the second Trump administration then Moscow would absolutely have had a voice in the White House. You could argue that Trump didn’t actually know much about the guy nor what his positions were but it was the third time the Trump team,if not Trump himself,had chosen him for a job as he also was on the appointed USMA advisory board. It has been over 2 months and Trump’s most eloquent statement on the matter is a ramble about windmills. He has still said nothing opposing the invasion nor in support of Ukraine. I do not know if Trump would have changed his mind or not but add Macgregor to Manafort and Flynn and he has a curious number of pro-Russians he has selected. Regarding Syria,you are leaving out some pertinent information: it is hardly as if Trump ordered anyone to fight Russians in Syria . The Russians had told the US that there were no Russians in the area and in fact during the incident were telling US local commanders that no Russians was involved. I suppose it makes a better story to think that Trump knew what the Russians were up to and gave an order to smash them but that is in no way the case. Local commanders used their ability to protect themselves and it happened to be Russians among the attackers. Do you really think every bit of combat is cleared thought the White House? Seriously? What is the case though is that the fellow who is sculpting opinions by appearing on Tucker Carlson and whose lines from Moscow are repeated on this site indeed had a job in the Trump administration and could very well be telling the President the exact same sort of things right now. It is speculation that he would still have had a job 500 days in but it isn’t speculation as to what his POV is. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/4D64877C-DF5D-4D6E-BC60-59E507074EF1_jpe-2377697.JPG View Quote Last week Tucker said he would address 2020 election fraud at the end of a segment but then didn’t. Macgregor….his Afghanistan expert that was introduced to Trump. LOL |
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Originally Posted By Jack67: Yet another potential taker in the armored "cash for clunkers" deal:
View Quote Seems like many of the European NATO allies want to take advantage of Ukraine's situation to get a good deal on upgrading, like a lifetime deal. But hey, I say Germany should step forward and give them the Leopard 2s. Giving at all the years past with neglecting to spend the pre-requisite military spending, this is make up time. "Citing information published by Slovak Medias, Slovakia is ready to donate its fleet of Soviet-made T-72 MBT in exchange for the German Leopard 2 tanks. Citing information from "Kyodo News" published on May 8, 2022, Slovakia will keep providing military support to Ukraine in its fight against Russia and could also respond positively to Ukraine's request for the delivery of aircraft MiG-29 fighter aircraft. Slovakia is not the first country in Eastern Europe to offer its Soviet-made old tanks in exchange for European-designed vehicles, indeed, in April 2022, Army Recognition reported that Slovenia offered to provide M-84 main battle tanks (MBTs) to Ukraine and in exchange Germany could deliver Leopard Main Battle Tank (MBT) or Marder tracked armored IFV (Infantry Fighting Vehicles)." |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: You can have your own opinions,you cannot fabricate facts. Yes,Trump selected someone who has been paid by Moscow to give anti-Western opinions as a candidate for Ambassador to Germany and is who he took in as security advisor in the dying days of his administration. Had he remained in this position in the second Trump administration then Moscow would absolutely have had a voice in the White House. You could argue that Trump didn’t actually know much about the guy nor what his positions were but it was the third time the Trump team,if not Trump himself,had chosen him for a job as he also was on the appointed USMA advisory board. It has been over 2 months and Trump’s most eloquent statement on the matter is a ramble about windmills. He has still said nothing opposing the invasion nor in support of Ukraine. I do not know if Trump would have changed his mind or not but add Macgregor to Manafort and Flynn and he has a curious number of pro-Russians he has selected. Regarding Syria,you are leaving out some pertinent information: it is hardly as if Trump ordered anyone to fight Russians in Syria . The Russians had told the US that there were no Russians in the area and in fact during the incident were telling US local commanders that no Russians was involved. I suppose it makes a better story to think that Trump knew what the Russians were up to and gave an order to smash them but that is in no way the case. Local commanders used their ability to protect themselves and it happened to be Russians among the attackers. Do you really think every bit of combat is cleared thought the White House? Seriously? What is the case though is that the fellow who is sculpting opinions by appearing on Tucker Carlson and whose lines from Moscow are repeated on this site indeed had a job in the Trump administration and could very well be telling the President the exact same sort of things right now. It is speculation that he would still have had a job 500 days in but it isn’t speculation as to what his POV is. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/4D64877C-DF5D-4D6E-BC60-59E507074EF1_jpe-2377697.JPG View Quote So it is safe bet you aint no Trump fan then ? We have a saying here "Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining." |
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I can lead a mule to water but I can't make him drink it.
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Originally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSRud5iWUAEn0pA?format=jpg&name=medium
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The part in yellow is likely true. The part in green is the bs. ‘According to our information’ is a tell of propaganda. ![]() |
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Poland sent 250ish tanks. But doing it with T-72s is going to have a lot of casualties. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: People said moving closer to their support would help with logistics, and they wouldn't be able to outrun it. They aren't even moving and they're still having issues. Vlad needs to hurry up and call victory before he loses what he started with. View Quote Even when they haven't outrun their supply line, the Russians are still stuck with their "push" system for logistics. Send stuff to your front-line units (customers) based on what you think they need. That will always have issues versus a "pull" system where the customer (the front line unit) tells you what they need. Of course, the Russians probably can't trust their front-line units to tell them what they need. |
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Originally Posted By doc540: A good friend married to a Ukrainian girl explained Putin to me. (Many of her family are still trying to get out of Ukraine, and some have made it to Poland) "Putin isn't political and doesn't subscribe to any ideology or worldview. He's an amoral, master criminal. All the billionaire oligarchs are beholden to him, and Putin requires up to 50% tribute if they want to operate from Russian and remain in business. Putin has a small cartel of 100 to 150 other criminals enforcing his will and his system on Russia as a country and everyone who does business within it. He's become the most powerful and richest criminal in the world." View Quote Nothing new with Russia. They’ve always been authoritative where the leader whether be it a Tsar, Party Chairman, or President is infallible and his only goal is to stay in power as long as possible. This means his boyars(oligarchs) answer to him and take the fall for everything. |
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Originally Posted By m35ben: Operator Starsky should be on tonight ![]() View Quote I think The Enforcer is doing good stuff, especially educating folks who don’t have time to doomscroll all day. But he has gotten rather sure of his own predications and he gets tons of stuff wrong every episode bc he doesn’t know shit about the military. At the end of the day I think he is a net positive, and he has raised over $200,000 for various causes related to Ukraine. ETA: Raised total to over $200,000 from $100,000. |
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Originally Posted By Chaingun: This is Mariupol today. Where was this video recorded? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSAnTsUXIAANX2g?format=jpg&name=small View Quote To your right...main road... |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: You can have your own opinions,you cannot fabricate facts. Yes,Trump selected someone who has been paid by Moscow to give anti-Western opinions as a candidate for Ambassador to Germany and is who he took in as security advisor in the dying days of his administration. Had he remained in this position in the second Trump administration then Moscow would absolutely have had a voice in the White House. You could argue that Trump didn’t actually know much about the guy nor what his positions were but it was the third time the Trump team,if not Trump himself,had chosen him for a job as he also was on the appointed USMA advisory board. It has been over 2 months and Trump’s most eloquent statement on the matter is a ramble about windmills. He has still said nothing opposing the invasion nor in support of Ukraine. I do not know if Trump would have changed his mind or not but add Macgregor to Manafort and Flynn and he has a curious number of pro-Russians he has selected. Regarding Syria,you are leaving out some pertinent information: it is hardly as if Trump ordered anyone to fight Russians in Syria . The Russians had told the US that there were no Russians in the area and in fact during the incident were telling US local commanders that no Russians was involved. I suppose it makes a better story to think that Trump knew what the Russians were up to and gave an order to smash them but that is in no way the case. Local commanders used their ability to protect themselves and it happened to be Russians among the attackers. Do you really think every bit of combat is cleared thought the White House? Seriously? What is the case though is that the fellow who is sculpting opinions by appearing on Tucker Carlson and whose lines from Moscow are repeated on this site indeed had a job in the Trump administration and could very well be telling the President the exact same sort of things right now. It is speculation that he would still have had a job 500 days in but it isn’t speculation as to what his POV is. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/4D64877C-DF5D-4D6E-BC60-59E507074EF1_jpe-2377697.JPG View Quote I guess this is what happens when you're subjected to the European version of MSNBC all the time for news. Please continue telling us how the administration sandwiched by Russia taking over Crimea and Russia invading Ukraine, during which the US stomped Wagner in Syria, was actually some nefarious pro-Putin Russian collusion scheme. Maybe some version of 87D chess? ![]() |
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Originally Posted By 74HC: Seems like many of the European NATO allies want to take advantage of Ukraine's situation to get a good deal on upgrading, like a lifetime deal. But hey, I say Germany should step forward and give them the Leopard 2s. Giving at all the years past with neglecting to spend the pre-requisite military spending, this is make up time. "Citing information published by Slovak Medias, Slovakia is ready to donate its fleet of Soviet-made T-72 MBT in exchange for the German Leopard 2 tanks. Citing information from "Kyodo News" published on May 8, 2022, Slovakia will keep providing military support to Ukraine in its fight against Russia and could also respond positively to Ukraine's request for the delivery of aircraft MiG-29 fighter aircraft. Slovakia is not the first country in Eastern Europe to offer its Soviet-made old tanks in exchange for European-designed vehicles, indeed, in April 2022, Army Recognition reported that Slovenia offered to provide M-84 main battle tanks (MBTs) to Ukraine and in exchange Germany could deliver Leopard Main Battle Tank (MBT) or Marder tracked armored IFV (Infantry Fighting Vehicles)." View Quote Germany doesn’t have a surplus of Leopard IIs to give. They were offering Leo Is to Ukraine. Would Slovakia really want those Leo Is? I don’t think so but could as a stop gap if the US will in turn provide M1s,of which it could supply in the future. |
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The opportunity here for the US defense industry is incredible.
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You can't make this shit up, on second thought maybe The Star did.
![]() At least five Russian oligarchs have died in mysterious circumstances the ten weeks since Vladimir Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine. And now another one has been added to the grim list. Billionaire Alexander Subbotin, a former executive for Russian energy giant Lukoil, has been found dead in the Moscow suburb of Mytishchi. Subbotin was reportedly undergoing an "alternative medicine" treatment for a hangover when he died. Offbeat remedies are popular among the Russian ruling class, with Putin himself indulging in a weird "deer antler" remedy. According to the Telegram channel Mash , Subbotin had visited a shaman who specialised in performing a "treatment" involving a poisonous toad. "They made an incision on the skin, dripped toad poison there, and after vomiting the patient allegedly got better," the outlet reported. "They also called spirits, sacrificed animals and bathed in cock's blood". Subbotin had reportedly felt unwell after the treatment but instead of calling for medical help the shaman had put his patient to bed to sleep it off. "He felt unwell his heart ached," Ukraine Today reported. "The owner decided not to call an ambulance, gave Corvalol and put the businessman to sleep in the basement. There, the man died". Russia 's billionaire class has been empowered by the rise of Putin. The first wave of Russian oligarchs made their fortunes in the 1990s as the old Soviet Union was dismantled and state assets were offloaded to private bidders, often in dodgy deals. Many of today's oligarchs are current or former Putin officials, and nearly all of them owe their fortunes to the Russian leader. But the billionaires have well over $80 billion in wealth as sanctions over the Ukraine conflict have kicked in and many of them have begun to express dissatisfaction with Putin's leadership. Subbotin's mysterious death brings the number of sudden deaths since the war began among Russia's billionaires to six. A seventh tycoon died just weeks before hostilities began. The body of Sergey Protosenya, former executive for Russian energy conglomerate Novatek, was found together with those of his wife and daughter last month in a rented villa in Spain. In the same week a former vice-president of Gazprombank Vladislav Avaev was found dead in his multi-million apartment on Universitetsky Prospekt in Moscow, together with his wife and daughter. Vasily Melnikov died alongside his family in a luxury apartment in Nizhny Novgorod in March. Mikhail Watford, the Russian oil and gas magnate born Mikhail Tolstosheya, was found hanged in the garage of his Surrey home in February. A few days before that Gazprom director Alexander Tyulyakov, was found dead in a cottage near St. Petersburg. Before the war had even started Tyulyakov's colleague Leonid Shulman was found dead in the bathroom of his cottage near Leningrad in what was reported as a suicide. View Quote Putin's billionaire pal dies in mysterious circumstances after 'toad poison' treatment |
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: You can't make this shit up, on second thought maybe The Star did. ![]() Putin's billionaire pal dies in mysterious circumstances after 'toad poison' treatment View Quote Boyar stepped out of line, now he’s dead. Heh. |
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Originally Posted By 74HC: I don't know why NATO countries have been hanging on T-72s all this time. It's serious disadvantages, and ineffectiveness in combat was known and well-documented during the Gulf war. That was way back in 1991. View Quote Money for one but not wanting to provoke Russia is another. T-72s were good enough to Poland,Slovakia…to maintain an armor force that was seen as unlikely as to ever be used. Replacing them with $8 million each Abrams was not realistic and Finland,Sweden,Chile,Canada,Singapore…could offer more money when it came to buying German and Dutch Leo IIs. Again,there was little desire in Germany,or in the US for that matter.to be seen as arming countries against Russia. Russia was supposed to be dealt with diplomatically no matter how farcical they attempt all were in hindsight. |
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: That's true. My wife has two acquittances who have a husband and a son in UKR and have not heard from either in a very long time. View Quote Forty years ago we'd hear from the Red Cross and Seaman Apprentice Knuckledragger would be counseled to be more communicative with his family and he'd be "encouraged" to write a nice letter home. |
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Just look at the people they are doing this to,shooting old men and raping 42 year old woman in what anyone in Western Europe would just call some poor village. Maybe they were the closest things to Nazis that could be found. ![]() |
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: If Finland joins NATO, does Sweden really need to? View Quote Yes, Sweden has recognized it has under emphasized its military years ago. They have a small population but they have ideal defensive terrain and significant naval and air assets compared to their population. They possess naval and air forces greater (pre war) than Ukraine despite having roughly a quarter the population of Ukraine. |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
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Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Yes, Sweden has recognized it has under emphasized its military years ago. They have a small population but they have ideal defensive terrain and significant naval and air assets compared to their population. They possess naval and air forces greater (pre war) than Ukraine despite having roughly a quarter the population of Ukraine. View Quote I don’t know if it’s still true but at one time the general order for the nation in time of conflict was in the front of the phone book. The TLDR was: resist the enemy as best you can and ignore as lies any claims of surrender or peace while the enemy is in the country. They also delegated authority completely to commanders on the expectation that communication would be lost. |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: Money for one but not wanting to provoke Russia is another. T-72s were good enough to Poland,Slovakia…to maintain an armor force that was seen as unlikely as to ever be used. Replacing them with $8 million each Abrams was not realistic and Finland,Sweden,Chile,Canada,Singapore…could offer more money when it came to buying German and Dutch Leo IIs. Again,there was little desire in Germany,or in the US for that matter.to be seen as arming countries against Russia. Russia was supposed to be dealt with diplomatically no matter how farcical they attempt all were in hindsight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By 74HC: I don't know why NATO countries have been hanging on T-72s all this time. It's serious disadvantages, and ineffectiveness in combat was known and well-documented during the Gulf war. That was way back in 1991. Money for one but not wanting to provoke Russia is another. T-72s were good enough to Poland,Slovakia…to maintain an armor force that was seen as unlikely as to ever be used. Replacing them with $8 million each Abrams was not realistic and Finland,Sweden,Chile,Canada,Singapore…could offer more money when it came to buying German and Dutch Leo IIs. Again,there was little desire in Germany,or in the US for that matter.to be seen as arming countries against Russia. Russia was supposed to be dealt with diplomatically no matter how farcical they attempt all were in hindsight. There was no hesitation to offer US gear to Eastern Europe. Poland ordered F-16s in the early 2000s, for instance. But unless there is a Groupon or something, most of Eastern Europe can barely afford used Western gear, much less new. Look at Romania buying old F-16A hand-me-downs from Portugal, and not a lot of them. I am not aware of any cases of the latest stuff being denied out of any sense of policy. But when defense budgets are tiny, what else can they do but update their T-72s and hope for some gifts later? |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: Money for one but not wanting to provoke Russia is another. T-72s were good enough to Poland,Slovakiato maintain an armor force that was seen as unlikely as to ever be used. Replacing them with $8 million each Abrams was not realistic and Finland,Sweden,Chile,Canada,Singaporecould offer more money when it came to buying German and Dutch Leo IIs. Again,there was little desire in Germany,or in the US for that matter.to be seen as arming countries against Russia. Russia was supposed to be dealt with diplomatically no matter how farcical they attempt all were in hindsight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By 74HC: I don't know why NATO countries have been hanging on T-72s all this time. It's serious disadvantages, and ineffectiveness in combat was known and well-documented during the Gulf war. That was way back in 1991. Money for one but not wanting to provoke Russia is another. T-72s were good enough to Poland,Slovakiato maintain an armor force that was seen as unlikely as to ever be used. Replacing them with $8 million each Abrams was not realistic and Finland,Sweden,Chile,Canada,Singaporecould offer more money when it came to buying German and Dutch Leo IIs. Again,there was little desire in Germany,or in the US for that matter.to be seen as arming countries against Russia. Russia was supposed to be dealt with diplomatically no matter how farcical they attempt all were in hindsight. Poland has spent a lot on vision systems for it's PT-91/T-72 fleet. |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: True. Watching the movie I was like "no way...why would they shoot those stupid kids in school and round up average people". All my stupid naiveté went out the window after Feb 24! Milius was 100% right and should have been more graphic. View Quote Milius caught a lot of Hell back then for his view of the Russians that was only based on reality and history. Even though the movie was made during the Cold War I’m still kind of surprised it was made. He even predicted/ foreshadowed the Russians using lists of Ukrainian gun owners ( form 4473) to round up potential troublemakers. |
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Originally Posted By _disconnector_: He is honestly the most inspiring politician since Reagan. He's the kind of person that a democracy should elect to the highest office - instead we've had decades of mediocrity. We should be ashamed as a nation that Ukraine has figured this out and the most powerful and longest lived democracy in the world has not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By GTLandser: "We would not know grief if all our enemies could read"
/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/savage_JPG-180.jpg Damn. Maybe it’s we don’t get complete coverage of the day to day news from Ukraine, but he was not exactly the same person last year that he is today. But he has responded as good as anyone could have hoped for fallowing the russian invasion of his country |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Saw that couple days ago. Ukraine accused them of indiscriminately shooting civilians https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/62AB1EA7-E6A6-4E7E-A1E7-1930F5DA6F8A_jpe-2377670.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By Prime: Wagner in Popasna.
Saw that couple days ago. Ukraine accused them of indiscriminately shooting civilians https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/62AB1EA7-E6A6-4E7E-A1E7-1930F5DA6F8A_jpe-2377670.JPG Meh. Those dudes are the expendables. I got $100 saying every one of them in the pic is dead in a month. |
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Originally Posted By kncook: Meh. Those dudes are the expendables. I got $100 saying every one of them in the pic is dead in a month. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By kncook: Meh. Those dudes are the expendables. I got $100 saying every one of them in the pic is dead in a month. https://www.voanews.com/a/europe_mercenary-says-kremlins-wagner-group-recruiting-inexperienced-fighters/6199275.html He added, “In 2015-2017, Wagner’s [Dmitry Utkin] led a squad of gladiators — now he is leading an army of slaves…Most of the commanders absolutely are not up to the level of their positions. And the veterans who still remain in this formation have made up their minds: ‘The main task is to survive. Survive, you understand?’ They aren’t thinking about victory anymore.” |
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Originally Posted By m35ben: Okay it looks like the hack was for people watching at home. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/hackers-replaced-russian-tv-schedules-100733200.html View Quote ![]() ![]() |
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SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS Fact is stranger than fiction -Mark Twain |
Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Yes, Sweden has recognized it has under emphasized its military years ago. They have a small population but they have ideal defensive terrain and significant naval and air assets compared to their population. They possess naval and air forces greater (pre war) than Ukraine despite having roughly a quarter the population of Ukraine. View Quote Parliament has already decided to increase expenditure to 2% of GDP, and our ties to Finland are so close that it would be political suicide not to join, even more so as it's an election year. Only the communist party and the greens are opposed to membership, and they don't matter now. I expect a formal declaration by the PM (a Social Democrat) together with Sanna Marin within a few weeks. They've already called up the Home Guard on Gotland in anticipation of Russian shenanigans. |
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I don’t know if it’s still true but at one time the general order for the nation in time of conflict was in the front of the phone book. The TLDR was: resist the enemy as best you can and ignore as lies any claims of surrender or peace while the enemy is in the country. They also delegated authority completely to commanders on the expectation that communication would be lost. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Yes, Sweden has recognized it has under emphasized its military years ago. They have a small population but they have ideal defensive terrain and significant naval and air assets compared to their population. They possess naval and air forces greater (pre war) than Ukraine despite having roughly a quarter the population of Ukraine. I don’t know if it’s still true but at one time the general order for the nation in time of conflict was in the front of the phone book. The TLDR was: resist the enemy as best you can and ignore as lies any claims of surrender or peace while the enemy is in the country. They also delegated authority completely to commanders on the expectation that communication would be lost. We don't have phone books anymore, but the orders are still the same. |
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Originally Posted By Tiberius: I remember the “Salute to the Troops” segment of the Democrat National Convention in (IIRC) 2008 where they showed pictures of the Russian Navy on maneuvers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By Bassgasm: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSUfzEgXwAApjCL?format=jpg&name=large I remember the “Salute to the Troops” segment of the Democrat National Convention in (IIRC) 2008 where they showed pictures of the Russian Navy on maneuvers. And republicans have had photos of Su-27s used in similar displays. Whoever the PR people they are using likely have no idea what they’re looking at. Most of the time. May be an exception for the GOP stage that used a rune symbol. That was probably intentionally done and done to cause embarrassment |
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Originally Posted By Gunner226: Nice fantasy, but that’s not how these camps work. That would be like saying, “Hitler’s such a dumbass! Bringing all those Jews and political prisoners into camps deep within his own borders! He’ll have a violent rebellion on his hands in no time!” I predict it will go something like this: “We’ve only liberated Russians who were being oppressed by Ukrainian nazis and returned them to the motherland. And then, when nobody seems to be able to find any of the missing Ukrainians in the camps… “They’ve all started new lives throughout Russia and are enjoying their new freedom” And then, when nobody can find any of the missing Ukrainians living new lives in Russia… “Camps? What camps? We never moved anybody!” View Quote kind of like Whitman, Price, and Haddad "last seasons winners" of the Running Man gameshow. |
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