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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:32:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: Wreckshooter]
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:34:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:36:00 PM EST
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:37:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: You have to deprive it of oxygen to put it out, which means water doesn't work. Plenty of pics of its effects online. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: Originally Posted By K0UA: Originally Posted By jungatheart: Willy Pete? Willy Pete is a phonetic way to say WP. And WP stands for White Phosphorus. Which is a particularly nasty incendiary munition that if it lands on your skin, keeps on burning. I have no experience with this substance, but I have heard not only is it very difficult to put out, it burns deep into your flesh. Plenty of pics of its effects online. Whatever you do, don't go looking I rabbit holed Phosphorus poisoning one evening and ended up wishing I had remained ignorant. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:37:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Odessa bound? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Prime:
Odessa bound? Lol. That place is a fortress. If those ships get close enough to launch landing craft or get close they will be reefs. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:39:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Holy shit! #4 ftw |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:40:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: You have to deprive it of oxygen to put it out, which means water doesn't work. Plenty of pics of its effects online. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: Originally Posted By K0UA: Originally Posted By jungatheart: Willy Pete? Willy Pete is a phonetic way to say WP. And WP stands for White Phosphorus. Which is a particularly nasty incendiary munition that if it lands on your skin, keeps on burning. I have no experience with this substance, but I have heard not only is it very difficult to put out, it burns deep into your flesh. Plenty of pics of its effects online. I always liked it because it has some some collateral capabilities. It produces phosphoric acid which can be lethal to people in enclosed spaces, which makes it good for shooting onto troops with overhead cover. Those who it burns don’t need to burned by much to be taken out of action for either extended periods of time or permanently since it interferes with the ability to use potassium and as little as 20 percent burns can be fatal. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:43:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: The more planes though is just theoretical since it hasn’t manifested itself over Ukrainian air space since the first few days. Either they can’t manage high tempo operations with their shit tier engines, they are afraid of Ukrainian air defenses (and their SEAD has obviously failed from the get go) or their operational losses are higher than reported, or all three. Regardless, the Russian air campaign is a lot like their artillery campaign - a terror campaign aimed at the civilians that doesn’t do much of anything to degrade Ukrainian military capability. We are close to three months and the Russians haven’t fixed any of their initial day issues that would lead to a successful conclusion of their “special military operation”. I’d bet on maintenance issues due to lack of spares. They probably didn’t spend enough money on spares inventory or trained mechanics, because those don’t look as sexy as another SU-34. Lack of consumables/countermeasures is probably another issue. They also don’t have a SEAD capability in any meaningful degree and it isn’t going to spontaneously appear. Ukraine is way overstating Russian air losses, probably for domestic political reasons. You can bet if there were that many wrecks on the ground we’d be seeing them, and we aren’t. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:44:53 PM EST
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:45:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
That last hit was a doozy! |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:46:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: The problem is you’re giving equal weight to Russian media. The same ones who claimed the dead in Bucha that were tied up, raped, and shot in the head were all killed by UA artillery. There is a continual influx/stream of accounts all over the internet and here that claim neither side should be believed because of the “Rah, Rah! Ghost of Kiev” embellishment of UA being equal to the Russian video recorded mass murder denial. They ain’t equal….yet you’ll have people dig their heels into the ground over that as if they are Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By Abakan: Stop posting long debunked russian propaganda. Thank you. Citation needed. This was just posted on Russian media six hours ago. Wanna fight disinformation? This ain't the way to do it. The problem is you’re giving equal weight to Russian media. The same ones who claimed the dead in Bucha that were tied up, raped, and shot in the head were all killed by UA artillery. There is a continual influx/stream of accounts all over the internet and here that claim neither side should be believed because of the “Rah, Rah! Ghost of Kiev” embellishment of UA being equal to the Russian video recorded mass murder denial. They ain’t equal….yet you’ll have people dig their heels into the ground over that as if they are I'll to a limited degree take UA at their word, but I skip right over a ton of Russian stuff where it's just them saying stuff. In this particular case, RU posted actual video, so that should be acknowledged and addressed. Because there CERTAINLY are people taking RU at their word, and this particular claim seems too stupid to actually be true. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:46:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, you gotta watch those bmp-3s, that last grenade is a Lulu.  You can see two guys run from the vehicle after its hit, but he nearly lost the drone in that explosion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
lol, you gotta watch those bmp-3s, that last grenade is a Lulu. You can see two guys run from the vehicle after its hit, but he nearly lost the drone in that explosion. Was it me or after 3 bombs hit it the BMP tried to drive off right before the 4th…..then goodbye! |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:46:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Ukrainian artillery hitting BTRs at the Siverskyi Donets river. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uqbgus/ukrainian_artillery_striking_btrs_near_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb There has to be ton of footage of that debacle. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:48:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: doc540]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: That last hit was a doozy! "Duesy"  
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:49:28 PM EST
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Putin woke up and spooged out more cruise missiles |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:50:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
Holly Cow! The 4th one hit the sweet spot. Driver should have bailed with his mates. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:50:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Was it me or after 3 bombs hit it the BMP tried to drive off right before the 4th…..then goodbye! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
lol, you gotta watch those bmp-3s, that last grenade is a Lulu. You can see two guys run from the vehicle after its hit, but he nearly lost the drone in that explosion. Was it me or after 3 bombs hit it the BMP tried to drive off right before the 4th…..then goodbye! It drove right into #4. If it had just sit, that one would have missed too. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:53:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I’d bet on maintenance issues due to lack of spares. They probably didn’t spend enough money on spares inventory or trained mechanics, because those don’t look as sexy as another SU-34. Lack of consumables/countermeasures is probably another issue. They also don’t have a SEAD capability in any meaningful degree and it isn’t going to spontaneously appear. Ukraine is way overstating Russian air losses, probably for domestic political reasons. You can bet if there were that many wrecks on the ground we’d be seeing them, and we aren’t. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Drakich: The more planes though is just theoretical since it hasn’t manifested itself over Ukrainian air space since the first few days. Either they can’t manage high tempo operations with their shit tier engines, they are afraid of Ukrainian air defenses (and their SEAD has obviously failed from the get go) or their operational losses are higher than reported, or all three. Regardless, the Russian air campaign is a lot like their artillery campaign - a terror campaign aimed at the civilians that doesn’t do much of anything to degrade Ukrainian military capability. We are close to three months and the Russians haven’t fixed any of their initial day issues that would lead to a successful conclusion of their “special military operation”. I’d bet on maintenance issues due to lack of spares. They probably didn’t spend enough money on spares inventory or trained mechanics, because those don’t look as sexy as another SU-34. Lack of consumables/countermeasures is probably another issue. They also don’t have a SEAD capability in any meaningful degree and it isn’t going to spontaneously appear. Ukraine is way overstating Russian air losses, probably for domestic political reasons. You can bet if there were that many wrecks on the ground we’d be seeing them, and we aren’t. Maybe…..but troop, tank, Apc, and helo losses have been good estimates according to third parties…..and they have shot down lots of fixed wing aircraft. It may not be as far off as you think. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:55:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MouseBoy: Finland's ability to flank Russia from the north will be epic if Russia moves on the smaller Baltic states. It isn’t like Russian aggression against a NATO member is an automatic Article 5 ‘on switch’ for each country. Each country will interpret it their own way and may or may not act. Poland’s treaty with Britain and France didn’t do shit for them in 1939. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:56:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: It’s a crushing blow for Russian “foreign policy by intimidation.” Everything Putin said he was against he has brought about by his own actions. This will enter the history books as possibly the worst political/military decision of the modern era. The most appropriate analogy is Japan’s decision to bomb Pearl Harbor and engage in a war they could not possibly win, and which could only result in their destruction. Social and cultural issues played a strong role in Japan’s decision, as in Russia’s decision. Kleptocratic rule, “Russian avos”, systemic lies and propaganda, totalitarian “yes-man” decision-making, and so on all played a role. Maybe history will continue to rhyme and if the Russians are beaten badly enough, real change can finally happen. I hope it does. Sweden and Finland joining NATO can’t be swept under the rug domestically. Putin’s been flogging the NATO bugbear too long for them to say, “and in other news, insignificant Finland joins something somewhere.” However, with the escalating losses in Ukraine, Russia is in position to do jack shit about it. All they can do is posture, and Europe is done with that. We will probably not hear anything about it for a while, but I believe this will seal Putin’s fate internally. The Russian elites may have been willing to see how Ukraine played out, but their position just became significantly worse. I think we’ll continue to see the same nuclear dick-flogging we have from the start, right up until someone puts a bullet in Putin’s head. I’m betting on the Army. Putin and his FSB cronies have been fucking up Russia for 30 years, and they fucked the Russian Army in Ukraine. KGB/FSB rule has been a disaster for Russia. The Army has the power and the credibility in Russian society to take action for the good of the nation. I agree with the Pearl Harbor analogy. Maybe Hitler's invasion of Poland or Barbarossa itself are apt also. As this mess plays out we can decide which is the best. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:57:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Reddit. Two Ukrainian SU-25s launching rockets at Russian positions. Lots of flares. Are the flares a matter of procedure or are they shooting flares because a missile is actively after them? |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 1:59:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: It isn’t like Russian aggression against a NATO member is an automatic Article 5 ‘on switch’ for each country. Each country will interpret it their own way and may or may not act. Poland’s treaty with Britain and France didn’t do shit for them in 1939. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By MouseBoy: Finland's ability to flank Russia from the north will be epic if Russia moves on the smaller Baltic states. It isn’t like Russian aggression against a NATO member is an automatic Article 5 ‘on switch’ for each country. Each country will interpret it their own way and may or may not act. Poland’s treaty with Britain and France didn’t do shit for them in 1939.  Sort of like the tale of the bridge builder: A man can build a thousand bridges and suck one cock. He's forever a cocksucker. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:00:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
I’ve never seen one of those drop 4 munitions before. I think previously, 2 max. Nice increase in capability! |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:01:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Whatever you do, don't go looking I rabbit holed Phosphorus poisoning one evening and ended up wishing I had remained ignorant.  Dredd 3D Movie Favorite Scene 
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:01:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Lots of flares. Are the flares a matter of procedure or are they shooting flares because a missile is actively after them? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Reddit. Two Ukrainian SU-25s launching rockets at Russian positions. Lots of flares. Are the flares a matter of procedure or are they shooting flares because a missile is actively after them? They sheer volume of flares they seem to carry always impresses me. Wonder how much weapons payload they displace. Also wonder if we had helos in that kind of environment we’d do something similar? |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:04:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gatetraveller: It's obvious that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Politicians can talk all they want about cease fires and negotiations, but the Ukrainian people will absolutely NOT give in to the Russians or settle for any outcome where the Russians get rewarded for their behavior. They have lost too many family, friends and neighbors to forgive or forget. Even if by some chance the Ukrainian military is defeated, there will be an unending guerilla war against the Russians. If they thought Afghanistan was bad, Ukraine will be significantly worse for them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gatetraveller: Originally Posted By xxflyingturtlexx: No i just mentioned what happened and gave my opinion. I am American so it is not a Russian talking point. Starting with Germany, most European countries are bracing a horrible recession; much more worse than us here in States. I would almost predict Germany taking the biggest hit here. I hate to break it to everyone here. Ukraine lost this war. It might be as early as couple of weeks before it falls and Russia wins the war of attrition. Ukraine military is being grinded slowly. Although the outcome is unfavorable to collective West and US; i am happy to see some people are talking about ceasefire, and agreements rather than sending more weapons to Ukraine which will result in deaths of more Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. A mutual agreement right now is the only way West can save some faces. Economic sanctions clearly did not work, sending weapons only help getting more people killed but not the outcome. Propaganda can only go so far. When the war is lost, not much of Ukraine left, half the EU countries collapsed from energy crisis and recession nobody will care about whatever left of Ukraine. The only way this could change would be an all out Nato military action. And nah that won't happen So unnecessary It's obvious that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Politicians can talk all they want about cease fires and negotiations, but the Ukrainian people will absolutely NOT give in to the Russians or settle for any outcome where the Russians get rewarded for their behavior. They have lost too many family, friends and neighbors to forgive or forget. Even if by some chance the Ukrainian military is defeated, there will be an unending guerilla war against the Russians. If they thought Afghanistan was bad, Ukraine will be significantly worse for them. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:05:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
Putin woke up and spooged out more cruise missiles It seems they aren’t hurting UAs force projection….keep using them up. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:06:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://www.tiktok.com/@1975smagliy/video/7097872474024463621 That is stupid to post that. Someone could recognize it and erase it. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:10:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: https://i.postimg.cc/3wY7YQ4r/Neville-Chamberlain-by-Walter-Stoneman.jpg Sort of like the tale of the bridge builder: A man can build a thousand bridges and suck one cock. He's forever a cocksucker. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By MouseBoy: Finland's ability to flank Russia from the north will be epic if Russia moves on the smaller Baltic states. It isn’t like Russian aggression against a NATO member is an automatic Article 5 ‘on switch’ for each country. Each country will interpret it their own way and may or may not act. Poland’s treaty with Britain and France didn’t do shit for them in 1939. https://i.postimg.cc/3wY7YQ4r/Neville-Chamberlain-by-Walter-Stoneman.jpg Sort of like the tale of the bridge builder: A man can build a thousand bridges and suck one cock. He's forever a cocksucker. I heard that story before, but the bridge builder had fucked a goat. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:11:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: It’s a crushing blow for Russian “foreign policy by intimidation.” Everything Putin said he was against he has brought about by his own actions. This will enter the history books as possibly the worst political/military decision of the modern era. The most appropriate analogy is Japan’s decision to bomb Pearl Harbor and engage in a war they could not possibly win, and which could only result in their destruction. Social and cultural issues played a strong role in Japan’s decision, as in Russia’s decision. Kleptocratic rule, “Russian avos”, systemic lies and propaganda, totalitarian “yes-man” decision-making, and so on all played a role. Maybe history will continue to rhyme and if the Russians are beaten badly enough, real change can finally happen. I hope it does. Sweden and Finland joining NATO can’t be swept under the rug domestically. Putin’s been flogging the NATO bugbear too long for them to say, “and in other news, insignificant Finland joins something somewhere.” However, with the escalating losses in Ukraine, Russia is in position to do jack shit about it. All they can do is posture, and Europe is done with that. We will probably not hear anything about it for a while, but I believe this will seal Putin’s fate internally. The Russian elites may have been willing to see how Ukraine played out, but their position just became significantly worse. I think we’ll continue to see the same nuclear dick-flogging we have from the start, right up until someone puts a bullet in Putin’s head. I’m betting on the Army. Putin and his FSB cronies have been fucking up Russia for 30 years, and they fucked the Russian Army in Ukraine. KGB/FSB rule has been a disaster for Russia. The Army has the power and the credibility in Russian society to take action for the good of the nation. Five days ago the seventh Russian oligarch died under mysterious conditions. I think the problem is the military has always been kept down like the stepson someone doesn’t want. The best and brightest don’t go there, quite the opposite. And now they have been neutered in Ukraine. And sort of unrelated, but I wonder if all the personnel in the May Day parade in Moscow got orders to Ukraine right after the party. That is at least a couple of thousand replacements. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:11:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
Putin woke up and spooged out more cruise missiles That's almost all the time.
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:13:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Yep Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By jungatheart: Willy Pete? Yep Nope. I originally corrected the poster who said that by saying it was thermite. Then I did some additional research and it is actually magnesium. Russian MZ-21 munition. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:19:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: LOL whoever edited this one deserves a coin:
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:20:25 PM EST
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:21:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Lots of flares. Are the flares a matter of procedure or are they shooting flares because a missile is actively after them? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Reddit. Two Ukrainian SU-25s launching rockets at Russian positions. Lots of flares. Are the flares a matter of procedure or are they shooting flares because a missile is actively after them? Not sure if Ukrainian a/c have IR sensors to deploy them automatically. US a/c sense 'flashes' and will deploy them thinking the flash was a MANPADS launch, but they are very unreliable. The sun reflecting off water can set them off. It is usually SOP to assume you are getting targeted by IR ADA systems over enemy controlled areas and pop them off. Like those two Russian helos that popped off dozens off them but still got shot down a few weeks ago. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:22:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Telegram. Dude stepped on a landmine. But this isn’t Hollywood, it doesn’t go off when you step off it. So it must be a dud. Telegram Depends on the mine, the Russians are having mines that are igniting after the relieving of pressure. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:24:20 PM EST
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Some hardcore shit on Spook's, not going to link it tho.
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:25:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Nope. I originally corrected the poster who said that by saying it was thermite. Then I did some additional research and it is actually magnesium. Russian MZ-21 munition. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By jungatheart: Willy Pete? Yep Nope. I originally corrected the poster who said that by saying it was thermite. Then I did some additional research and it is actually magnesium. Russian MZ-21 munition.  Attached FileThis is the WP I was referring to. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:28:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41727/FC0693CB-0F8D-46DB-901B-3E7C2D51CC0C_jpe-2384683.JPG @Analogkid Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By AnalogKid: There was a meme posted early in this thread (and a few others) with the "Listen, bro...Russia is strong..." shtick. I can't find it at the moment but it's a perfect fit. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41727/FC0693CB-0F8D-46DB-901B-3E7C2D51CC0C_jpe-2384683.JPG @Analogkid 
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:28:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Some hardcore shit on Spook's, not going to link it tho. Christ. I'm glad they're russians or I'd have nightmares. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:29:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Again, look at the phrasing American? Doubtful. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By xxflyingturtlexx: Hmmmm, Austin talked to his Russian partner and asked for an immediate cease fire and negotiation. German chancellor called Putin with same propositions. Safe to say finally collective West see the writing on the wall and there are some intelligent people still left looking at things beyond "ghost of kyev, snake island heros" propaganda. What sucks is most was preventable and Ukrainian people did not deserve this. Sad. Again, look at the phrasing American? Doubtful. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:31:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Whatever you do, don't go looking I rabbit holed Phosphorus poisoning one evening and ended up wishing I had remained ignorant. It's bad. If I was in combat I really would prefer not to use it unless I really hated the enemy and wanted them to die painful. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:31:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: It isn’t like Russian aggression against a NATO member is an automatic Article 5 ‘on switch’ for each country. Each country will interpret it their own way and may or may not act. Poland’s treaty with Britain and France didn’t do shit for them in 1939. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By MouseBoy: Finland's ability to flank Russia from the north will be epic if Russia moves on the smaller Baltic states. It isn’t like Russian aggression against a NATO member is an automatic Article 5 ‘on switch’ for each country. Each country will interpret it their own way and may or may not act. Poland’s treaty with Britain and France didn’t do shit for them in 1939. I don’t think you’re wrong per se. But I think the situation comes to a head sooner than later. Meaning this year, not in 1, 2, or 5 years. Based on what I’ve read and seen, there is no way Russia is going to win conventionally in Ukraine. Forget a 10-year guerrilla war, Ukraine is going to beat them straight up and will grind the Russian army to hamburger doing it. Putin will push on to the brink of collapse and his only option to “win” is to go nuclear. Russia may be trying a “stealth mobilization” right now. They can either throw those new troops into Ukraine, or use them on the Baltics or Poland. However, again, a fresh draft of Russian troops (poorly equipped) would not be remotely enough to tackle Poland without first use of nukes against them. NATO is also forward-deploying troops in Poland and the Baltics, so any attack by Russia is going to hit NATO. That makes response de facto. The questions are: 1) what are Russian elites willing and able to do to stop Putin, and when. 2)What are the Western nuclear powers willing to do to prevent first nuclear use by Russia if they believe it’s imminent? |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:32:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Javak: Instead of joining NATO, maybe nations from Finland down to Poland and Ukraine should form their own mutual defense block. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:39:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Was it me or after 3 bombs hit it the BMP tried to drive off right before the 4th…..then goodbye! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
lol, you gotta watch those bmp-3s, that last grenade is a Lulu. You can see two guys run from the vehicle after its hit, but he nearly lost the drone in that explosion. Was it me or after 3 bombs hit it the BMP tried to drive off right before the 4th…..then goodbye! I think your right, the vehicle tries to move before it violently dissasembles itself. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:40:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: There has to be ton of footage of that debacle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Ukrainian artillery hitting BTRs at the Siverskyi Donets river. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uqbgus/ukrainian_artillery_striking_btrs_near_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb There has to be ton of footage of that debacle. I'm waiting for that day when its released.
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:43:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: https://i.postimg.cc/3wY7YQ4r/Neville-Chamberlain-by-Walter-Stoneman.jpg Sort of like the tale of the bridge builder: A man can build a thousand bridges and suck one cock. He's forever a cocksucker. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By MouseBoy: Finland's ability to flank Russia from the north will be epic if Russia moves on the smaller Baltic states. It isn’t like Russian aggression against a NATO member is an automatic Article 5 ‘on switch’ for each country. Each country will interpret it their own way and may or may not act. Poland’s treaty with Britain and France didn’t do shit for them in 1939. https://i.postimg.cc/3wY7YQ4r/Neville-Chamberlain-by-Walter-Stoneman.jpg Sort of like the tale of the bridge builder: A man can build a thousand bridges and suck one cock. He's forever a cocksucker.  Attached FileI've got to remember that line 
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:46:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Lots of flares. Are the flares a matter of procedure or are they shooting flares because a missile is actively after them? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Reddit. Two Ukrainian SU-25s launching rockets at Russian positions. Lots of flares. Are the flares a matter of procedure or are they shooting flares because a missile is actively after them? In this case its procedure or precautions. When they or the Russian aircraft gain altitude and in an area where they release weapons, they pop flares. They dont have many systems to tell them an IR guided missile is after them. Their radar warning systems can usually give them a heads up a radar guided missile is after them. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 2:48:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: I’ve never seen one of those drop 4 munitions before. I think previously, 2 max. Nice increase in capability! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
I’ve never seen one of those drop 4 munitions before. I think previously, 2 max. Nice increase in capability! I was surprised to see that too. I wonder if it was a heavier police type or commercial drone that could lift those. |
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Posted: 5/15/2022 3:02:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: They sheer volume of flares they seem to carry always impresses me. Wonder how much weapons payload they displace. Also wonder if we had helos in that kind of environment we’d do something similar? Chaff/flare dispensers are usually mounted somewhere where they don't take up any weapons stations. The SU-25's flare dispensers are circled in this picture.  Attached FileClose up  Attached FileHere are were the chaff/flare dispensers are on an F-15 (left side shown, right side is the same). The 6 slot holder is for chaff and the 15 one is for flares. The two small panels next to them are where additional chaff/flare can be carried.  Attached File |
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