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Originally Posted By Circuits: The problem with Zeihan's analysis is that he equates munitions provided with munitions expended, and further only addresses US-provided materiel. Ukraine produces its own munitions, in addition to receiving stocks of all sorts from varied Western supporters. Even if we run out of Stingers to send them, there are Martlets and Iglas and Starstreaks and Stugnas and Brimstones and a number of others which I'm not encyclopedic enough to rattle off all at once here. I'm also pretty sure Uncle Sugar will be firing up those production lines to make more, and better, too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Zeihan discussing the challenge of producing more Javelins and Stingers should the war go on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTb-xgcdmUc The problem with Zeihan's analysis is that he equates munitions provided with munitions expended, and further only addresses US-provided materiel. Ukraine produces its own munitions, in addition to receiving stocks of all sorts from varied Western supporters. Even if we run out of Stingers to send them, there are Martlets and Iglas and Starstreaks and Stugnas and Brimstones and a number of others which I'm not encyclopedic enough to rattle off all at once here. I'm also pretty sure Uncle Sugar will be firing up those production lines to make more, and better, too. Zeihan is a politically biased demographer that's making hay while the sun shines by playing universal expert. |
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Originally Posted By batjka104: The whole Mariupol situation is a huge blunder by the Ukrainian command. They should have withdrawn and kept the elite fighting units intact to fight another day. They chose to keep them in a hopeless fight, giving the Russians a huge propaganda victory. Now we'll see a public surrender of 2400 young men, wounded, exhausted, humiliated. Some will likely be put on a show trial for alleged "war crimes". The city of Mariupol is in Russian hands, its buildings, factories, facilities completely destroyed. Zelenskiy will face tremendous discontent from Ukrainian citizens. It's a big problem for his govt. View Quote ETA: Huh. My sarcastic russian post didn't work... weird. |
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
View Quote Damn. That thing survived so long that I forgot about it. |
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Russia has decided they don't want none of that triple lucky
It looks like they were in the process of splitting and took a little too long. On the flip side, it also looks like Russia can't hit shit. -edit- I love how they spliced in a TOS1 salvo to the end of the footage. If you pause it, it isn't even the same place. It's just there to go "Here's some big explosions for the grand finale!" |
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Originally Posted By batjka104: The whole Mariupol situation is a huge blunder by the Ukrainian command. They should have withdrawn and kept the elite fighting units intact to fight another day. They chose to keep them in a hopeless fight, giving the Russians a huge propaganda victory. Now we'll see a public surrender of 2400 young men, wounded, exhausted, humiliated. Some will likely be put on a show trial for alleged "war crimes". The city of Mariupol is in Russian hands, its buildings, factories, facilities completely destroyed. Zelenskiy will face tremendous discontent from Ukrainian citizens. It's a big problem for his govt. View Quote I seriously doubt any Ukrainian is going to look upon what happened in Mariupol and choose to blame Zelenskiy rather than blaming the Russian scum that destroyed the city and murdered thousands upon thousands. YMMV. |
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
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"We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared so we may always be free." Ronald Reagan 1984
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What have the Romans ever done for us?
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Panem et Circenses
Since it cost a lot to win and even more to lose... |
"We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared so we may always be free." Ronald Reagan 1984
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
View Quote NICE! Very, very nice. This is the exact thing I've been hoping for. The only thing that would have made it better would be if it was blown up on an important bridge. But a war train can't move supplies if the war train is blown up. I insist on pics immediately. |
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Originally Posted By sq40: I think it was a few pages of him being frustrated with pro-Russian shills in this thread and others and the accounts not getting banned quickly. Eventually we got the go ahead to report Russian Shills and Bots, and this thread cleaned up nicely. But i figure he rubbed some of the mods the wrong way. I’ve got no clue what the latest strike was. It sucks. I liked the guy a lot. I have been advocating that Arfcom should stop permanently banning paying members, and simply institute long temp bans. Social media is critical in the 2020s, as many people have this as one of their only forms of social interaction. A permanent ban here is potentially devastating. Though there is always exceptions for extreme cases, the vast majority should get a month off tops to cool down. We are only human, and we all go through rough patches in life that cause us to not be our respectful best selves online. I’ve said my piece on it, and I won’t thread-slide anymore. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By ludder093: Originally Posted By Willmar: Wait what? How did he catch a ban?! I'll be super fucking pissed. I went back and he had a nothing tongue in cheek post on page 1963 of this thread that was edited. I'm not going to flip until I see confirmation (or the conspicuous lack of) but the guy spent a shit ton of time trying to improve this site. I'd put him in the top 1% of members. If he's not welcome here, well that says a lot. He was just temp banned for "repeated mod and staff bashing" earlier in this thread. If he's locked this soon after that temp ban was up, I'd be more surprised if it wasn't permanent. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/IMG-1354_JPG-2387933.JPG Everything I saw previous was him trying to help. I'm surprised if there was a falling out between him and "the site." Sounds like he got krpinded. I don't want to go too much into this in this thread, lest sandy vaginas become irritated. Is there another thread about this? If there was, I'm sure there no longer is. ETA: And also his temp lock was a "final warning" so... damn, I missed all that, guess i didnt see the staff or mod bashing.. friggin sucks hes gone he had great info on old armor and such. I think it was a few pages of him being frustrated with pro-Russian shills in this thread and others and the accounts not getting banned quickly. Eventually we got the go ahead to report Russian Shills and Bots, and this thread cleaned up nicely. But i figure he rubbed some of the mods the wrong way. I’ve got no clue what the latest strike was. It sucks. I liked the guy a lot. I have been advocating that Arfcom should stop permanently banning paying members, and simply institute long temp bans. Social media is critical in the 2020s, as many people have this as one of their only forms of social interaction. A permanent ban here is potentially devastating. Though there is always exceptions for extreme cases, the vast majority should get a month off tops to cool down. We are only human, and we all go through rough patches in life that cause us to not be our respectful best selves online. I’ve said my piece on it, and I won’t thread-slide anymore. Well said, I agree with you completely. |
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I've figured out why RT makes me mad.
For some reason it doesn't bother me when someone tells me a really inventive and half-convincing lie. It's like 'Hey. You took some time and tried to mislead me.' On the other hand: When someone just treats me to a handful of obtuse horshit that wouldn't deceive a third grader, it offends me. It's like a really backhanded way of insulting me. "You're dumb enough that this will work." Well fuck you RT. I'm of completely average intelligence. I was tested in the third grade |
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Originally Posted By Chaingun: Maybe its the lens used, but these seem close together, if this is the actual photo. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTCh_LvWIAYJWwG?format=jpg&name=small View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTCh_LvWIAYJWwG?format=jpg&name=small I'm going with that's a stock photo from a pre-war training exercise. |
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Originally Posted By R0N: They are best to use against fixed targets, but PGMs save significant expenditures. In an older test a stationary battery target set would require 300 dumb HE rounds of artillery to destroy, the same mission could accomplish with 9 guided rounds. 300 round takes a battery about 30-40 minutes to shoot and 3 ammo trucks worth of ammo. 9 guided rounds take about 45 seconds. View Quote Thank you. What little I know about arty I learned from your posts. My "arty" experience peaked at dropping a few dozen 81mm down the pipe. We had several detonate (airburst) a few hundred meters above us (Vietnam era ammo with moisture in the fuse maybe) and one dud in the tube that required EOD. Kicking the tube was entertaining but did not get desired results. |
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Russia has decided they don't want none of that triple lucky
It looks like they were in the process of splitting and took a little too long. On the flip side, it also looks like Russia can't hit shit. -edit- I love how they spliced in a TOS1 salvo to the end of the footage. If you pause it, it isn't even the same place. It's just there to go "Here's some big explosions for the grand finale!" View Quote It's a neat video showing how Russian drones are still a big threat. I'd consider killing a crappy Orlan-10 to be worth more than a dozen T-tanks and some artillery. I also wonder how their loitering munitions are brought to the target, how did it miss that much? Was local Ukrainian units using some jamming to increase the CEP of the Russian munitions? Edit, this is the longer video of the above, Russian drone watching the towed M777's before attacking. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/usa4y2/longer_video_of_a_russian_uav_tracking_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 |
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Originally Posted By Capta: The Russian’s don’t care about them as men beyond their potential as a resource. If they can work an exchange, that’s 1,000 men they can put right back into uniform and send against the Ukrainians again with guns at their back. You know they’ll do it, too. View Quote The difference is, the russian prisoners will surrender again right away to get 3 squares and not get ass raped and threatened with being shot. |
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World ain't what it seems, is it Gunny?
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Ukrainain 25th airborne artillery messing up a Russian BMP and troops in a trench.
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45th Separate Artillery of Ukraine hitting Russians
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we are not doing this in this thread.... please keep it on topic.
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Only God will judge me.
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Please don't get this thread locked, guys. It's literally the only thing that makes this site worth visiting anymore.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It's a neat video showing how Russian drones are still a big threat. I'd consider killing a crappy Orlan-10 to be worth more than a dozen T-tanks and some artillery. I also wonder how their loitering munitions are brought to the target, how did it miss that much? Was local Ukrainian units using some jamming to increase the CEP of the Russian munitions? Edit, this is the longer video of the above, Russian drone watching the towed M777's before attacking. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/usa4y2/longer_video_of_a_russian_uav_tracking_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 View Quote Damn that sucks |
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Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It's a neat video showing how Russian drones are still a big threat. I'd consider killing a crappy Orlan-10 to be worth more than a dozen T-tanks and some artillery. I also wonder how their loitering munitions are brought to the target, how did it miss that much? Was local Ukrainian units using some jamming to increase the CEP of the Russian munitions? Edit, this is the longer video of the above, Russian drone watching the towed M777's before attacking. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/usa4y2/longer_video_of_a_russian_uav_tracking_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Damn that sucks If it makes you feel better, the Russians missed, even with the Grad strike afterwards. Otherwise Russian drones would have filmed more and gladly would have shown the casualties. There were none to be seen. But it's a good cautionary tale to be wary of what might be following you. And it's shows how the suicide drones Russia has may not be as accurate as they claim, thankfully. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It's a neat video showing how Russian drones are still a big threat. I'd consider killing a crappy Orlan-10 to be worth more than a dozen T-tanks and some artillery. View Quote The flip side is that killing an Orlan-10 doesn't take out the operator, but killing vehicles and arty does tend to take out their crews. Not even Russia can "train" up an artillery or tank crew in the 4-day orientation/basic/ass-raping they seem to be giving their latest conscripts, so the noobs are only fit to be used as crunchies. |
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Slava Ukraini! "The only real difference between the men and the boys, is the number and size, and cost of their toys."
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Originally Posted By Dracster: I'm going with that's a stock photo from a pre-war training exercise. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTCh_LvWIAYJWwG?format=jpg&name=small I'm going with that's a stock photo from a pre-war training exercise. From a June 2021 exercise. https://incident.obozrevatel.com/ukr/crime/artileriya-zsu-vlashtuvala-masshtabni-manevri-bilya-krimu-foto-ta-video.htm |
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Originally Posted By Dagger41: Sorry. I was catching up and responded to a post a few pages back. View Quote no problem just trying to keep this on track and from spiraling out of control. it's an important thread. i have zero desire to see it locked and i don't want to see people removed from it. |
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Originally Posted By Flogger23m: Looks like BMP-T Terminators are showing up in Ukraine. https://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/conflict/russia_invasion_ukraine/Russian_BMPT-72_Terminator_fire_support_vehicle_starts_fighting_in_Ukraine_925_001.jpg Was wondering when they'd show up as they'd likely be better than MBTs and BMP-2/3s for finding and killing infantry. View Quote Naw. It’s still a T72 at its core… |
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Please don't get this thread locked, guys. It's literally the only thing that makes this site worth visiting anymore. View Quote Mods have worked hard to keep this thread on topic, removing unrelated and trolling posts, and removing posters from the thread when they tried to derail or disrupt it. The entire reason we would remove people/posts from this thread was to keep it on-topic. If the thread is now focusing on something different (especially bitching about the site and mods/staff), then someone should start a new thread about the Ukraine war. |
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“A real man does not think of victory or defeat. He plunges recklessly towards an irrational death. By doing this, you will awaken from your dreams.” -- Tsunetomo Yamamoto
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Originally Posted By Dagger41: I found this to be interesting, no doubt it's related...
View Quote Sunny Point is a giant ammo magazine. They transship all the kabooms from there. |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Mods have worked hard to keep this thread on topic, removing unrelated and trolling posts, and removing posters from the thread when they tried to derail or disrupt it. The entire reason we would remove people/posts from this thread was to keep it on-topic. If the thread is now focusing on something different (especially bitching about the site and mods/staff), then someone should start a new thread about the Ukraine war. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Please don't get this thread locked, guys. It's literally the only thing that makes this site worth visiting anymore. Mods have worked hard to keep this thread on topic, removing unrelated and trolling posts, and removing posters from the thread when they tried to derail or disrupt it. The entire reason we would remove people/posts from this thread was to keep it on-topic. If the thread is now focusing on something different (especially bitching about the site and mods/staff), then someone should start a new thread about the Ukraine war. lets work to keep this one going |
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Please don't get this thread locked, guys. It's literally the only thing that makes this site worth visiting anymore. View Quote Regarding Russians going back to the fight: I have read how troops who have refused to fight based upon being conscripts who can’t be compelled to engage in war in another country have refused to fight. They are fold they are told they being moved and indeed are,to exactly where fighting is heaviest. Of course who knows the absolute veracity of this. |
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Originally Posted By Undaunted: https://youtube.com/shorts/VKKoa1Qm-VQ?feature=share I've not been keeping up the last couple days....but awesome. View Quote That looks fake AF |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: New take: Kyiv wasn’t a feint… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/5568CE92-C8D6-494E-9202-338C6BB00EC7_jpe-2387898.JPG View Quote Wouldn't he have just moved them to Belarus and not moved them south if that was the case? |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: Regarding Russians going back to the fight: I have read how troops who have refused to fight based upon being conscripts who can’t be compelled to engage in war in another country have refused to fight. They are fold they are told they being moved and indeed are,to exactly where fighting is heaviest. Of course who knows the absolute veracity of this. View Quote I would not doubt that claim one bit. |
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Originally Posted By lorazepam: The difference is, the russian prisoners will surrender again right away to get 3 squares and not get ass raped and threatened with being shot. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By Capta: The Russian's don't care about them as men beyond their potential as a resource. If they can work an exchange, that's 1,000 men they can put right back into uniform and send against the Ukrainians again with guns at their back. You know they'll do it, too. The difference is, the russian prisoners will surrender again right away to get 3 squares and not get ass raped and threatened with being shot. Knowing the Russians will torture and kill them, I would never surrender |
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I’ll give the girl credit,she’s not cowed even though she knows it’s rather hopeless
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Maybe I was just uninformed or naive, but it has been an eye-opener as to how much of the Ukraine/Russia war has been fought off the battlefield via economic/financial embargoes and constraints as well as social media/press/public opinion.
Financially, Russia has screwed themselves as they are almost completely isolated. Exports, imports, access to international funding, even access to their own overseas wealth have all been decimated. And it will get worse before it might ever get better as alternate sources to Russian gas/fuel are put in place. And social media? The world turned against them so fast it made my head spin. NATO expanding, the number of countries militarily supporting Ukraine and global distaste of anything Russia all happened so quickly. If someone was keeping score at home---it would appear the Ukrainians are tied on the actual battlefield but pitching no-hitters on the public opinion and economic/financial fronts. |
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Originally Posted By rca2222: Zeihan is a politically biased demographer that's making hay while the sun shines by playing universal expert. View Quote My assessment as well. Every damn geo-political issue cannot be explained by demographics alone. And his hard bias involving politics makes we wonder about other biases. |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: I’ll give the girl credit,she’s not cowed even though she knows it’s rather hopeless https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/04968EB8-73D2-45FE-82DC-6D9B30C692C6_jpe-2388105.JPG . I wish many more Russians were like her. View Quote She saw some better parts of the world and just want out of Russia. And maybe get a rich guy who pays for her travels. |
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Originally Posted By Chaingun: Do we know if its all of Azov or just the wounded, and would like to hear the reasoning behind the decision Knowing the Russians will torture and kill them, I would never surrender View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By Capta: The Russian's don't care about them as men beyond their potential as a resource. If they can work an exchange, that's 1,000 men they can put right back into uniform and send against the Ukrainians again with guns at their back. You know they'll do it, too. The difference is, the russian prisoners will surrender again right away to get 3 squares and not get ass raped and threatened with being shot. Knowing the Russians will torture and kill them, I would never surrender All of them, from the sounds of it. They made a deal for a prisoner exchange as a condition for the surrender. |
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