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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:17:58 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:20:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:





   Regarding Russians going back to the fight: I have read how troops who have refused to fight based upon being conscripts who can’t be compelled to engage in war in another country have refused to fight. They are fold they are told they  being moved and indeed are,to exactly where fighting is heaviest. Of course who knows the absolute veracity of this.
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I suppose a country that had gotten in a stupid war
and were desperate because they were losing would
do this to their own countrymen and soldiers.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:26:56 AM EDT
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  • Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said Russia was "finding it difficult" in the Ukraine invasion.
  • Russian propaganda sought to portray the invasion as a triumph, but Russia has encountered setbacks.
  • Kadyrov's forces have played a key role in Ukraine, including a failed plot to assassinate the Ukraine President.
Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, a key ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, admitted that Russia is encountering "difficulties" in its invasion of Ukraine.

At an event in Moscow, Kadyrov addressed Russia's faltering invasion of Ukraine, in which Kadyrov's militias have played an important role and suffered heavy casualties.

In the televised remarks, Kadyrov insulted German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, whose government has provided weapons and diplomatic support to Ukraine. Kadyrov called Scholz "schizophrenic," according to a tweet by BCC Monitoring's Francis Scarr.

He went on to lament the difficulties faced by Russia in the invasion.

"And today we're fighting not against Ukraine, against Banderites [a reference to a pro-Nazi Ukrainian leader in the 1940s], we're fighting against NATO. NATO and the West, their mercenaries are there. And that's why our state is finding it difficult," he said.

"But it's a really good experience and we'll prove once again that Russia cannot be defeated."

Kadyrov, leader of the Chechen Republic, has been among the most aggressive Kremlin allies in the conflict, urging Russia to ditch peace talks with Ukraine, claiming to have fought on the front line, and challenging Elon Musk to a fight on Twitter over backing he has given Ukraine.  According to Ukrainian officials, Kadyrov and Chechen fighters were involved in a plot to assassinate Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in the early days of the conflict.

Since then Russia has abandoned plans to seize Ukrainian capital Kyiv in the face of significant losses, and concentrated on a more limited mission in eastern Ukraine.

Russian propaganda has shifted in the face of defeats and setbacks. In Putin's Victory Day speech on May 9 he sought to portray the conflict as being a struggle not just against Ukraine but vast NATO forces. A former Russian military officer was openly critical of Russia's campaign in live TV remarks this week.

The new tone was echoed in Kadyrov's remarks Tuesday.
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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:27:36 AM EDT
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Lol I was wondering this morning what had become of those old armored trains..hahaha this is awesome!
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:31:57 AM EDT
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The Polish Armaments Group (PGZ) has signed an agreement with arms manufacturer MBDA UK to equip its tank-busting vehicles with Brimstone anti-tank guided missiles.

The deal is a continuation of the 2019 pact between the companies to design and develop the Ottokar-Brzoza tank destroyer.

Under the contract, the British Brimstone missiles will be manufactured at various PGZ facilities in Poland.

The UK has reportedly been competing with other international arms manufacturers to supply some critical components of the tank-busting vehicles.
The Brimstone has recently played a role in Ukraine, being used to destroy Russian armored vehicles.

According to PGZ Chief Executive Officer Sebastian Chwaek, the deal signifies that Poland and the UK are committed to strengthening their defense cooperation.

"In difficult times, it is good to have partners one can rely on," Chwalek said. "As a result of the Polish-British cooperation, a joint offer will be made to the Polish Armed Forces and allied forces, our companies will also enter supply chains."

An agreement was signed between the PGZ and MBDA UK for the Ottokar-Brzoza tank destroyer.

Meanwhile, MBDA UK Managing Director Chris Allam expressed that the integration of Brimstone missiles into the Ottokar-Brzoza tank destroyer provides another opportunity for both companies to further build on an "already strong relationship."

He vows that the British firm will continue to support the development of Poland's military and industrial capabilities.

The Brimstone anti-tank guided missile is a "combat proven, low collateral" weapon capable of engaging an array of targets, including fast-moving vehicles and vessels.

It can reportedly engage enemy assets with pinpoint accuracy.

When deployed on a fixed-wing platform, the weapon supports rapid response for close air support and counter-insurgency missions.

"Operationally deployed in the Afghanistan-Libya conflicts, Brimstone has proved to be the weapon of choice with its ability to perform surgical strikes in time critical missions with a true day/night capability," MBDA states on its website.
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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:32:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:


Lol I was wondering this morning what had become of those old armored trains..hahaha this is awesome!
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:


Lol I was wondering this morning what had become of those old armored trains..hahaha this is awesome!

The old TE-10M locomotives were built to operate in an active fallout zone. They had air scrubbers which used an oil bath as part of the filtration mechanism.

Be interesting to see if any of them are making it into the western areas of Russia, pulling materiel trains. They're about as common in RUS as later-model SD- series locos are in the States.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:35:51 AM EDT
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  • Russia uses lasers in Ukraine
  • Russia dips into its secret laser arsenal
  • Satellites 1,500 km away can be blinded
LONDON, May 18 (Reuters) - Russia on Wednesday said it was using a new generation of powerful laser weapons in Ukraine to burn up drones, deploying some of Moscow's secret weapons to counter a flood of Western arms supplied to its former Soviet neighbour.

President Vladimir Putin in 2018 unveiled an array of new weapons including a new intercontinental ballistic missile, underwater nuclear drones, a supersonic weapon and a new laser weapon.

Little is known about the specifics of the new laser weapons. Putin mentioned one called Peresvet, named after a medieval Orthodox warrior monk Alexander Peresvet who perished in mortal combat.

Yury Borisov, the deputy prime minister in charge of military development, told a conference in Moscow that Peresvet was already being widely deployed and it could blind satellites up to 1,500 km above Earth.

He said, though, that there were already more powerful Russian systems than Peresvet that could burn up drones and other equipment. Borisov cited a test on Tuesday which he said had burned up a drone 5 km away within five seconds.

"If Peresvet blinds, then the new generation of laser weapons lead to the physical destruction of the target - thermal destruction, they burn up," Borisov told Russian state television.

Asked if such weapons were being used in Ukraine, Borisov said: "Yes. The first prototypes are already being used there." He said the weapon was called "Zadira".

Almost nothing is publicly known about Zadira but in 2017 Russian media said Russia's state nuclear corporation, Rosatom, helped develop it as part of a programme to create weapons-based new physical principles, known by the Russian acronym ONFP.

Putin's Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine has illustrated the limits of Russia's post-Soviet conventional armed forces, though he says the "special military operation" is going to plan and will achieve all of Moscow's aims.

The United States has ruled out sending its own or NATO forces to Ukraine but Washington and its allies have supplied billions of dollars of weapons to Kyiv such as drones, Howitzer heavy artillery, anti-aircraft Stinger and anti-tank Javelin missiles.

Putin casts such large arms shipments as part of a broader plan by the United States to destroy Russia - and has promised that it will never succeed.

Borisov's remarks indicate that Russia has made significant progress with laser weapons, a trend of considerable interest to other nuclear powers such as the United States and China.

Using lasers to blind satellites - or even burn them up - was once a fantasy from the realm of science fiction, but major powers such as the United States, China and Russia have been working on variants of such weapons for years.

Besides the benefits in conventional warfare of burning up drones, blinding reconnaissance systems has a strategic impact too as satellites are used to monitor intercontinental ballistic missiles which carry nuclear weapons.

Borisov said he had just returned from Sarov, a closed town in the Nizhny Novgorod region once known as Arzamas-16 because it was so secret, which is a centre of Russia's nuclear weapons research.

He said a new generation of laser weapons using a wide electromagnetic band would ultimately replace conventional weapons.

"This is not some sort of exotic idea; it is the reality," Borisov said.
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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:37:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
  • Russia uses lasers in Ukraine
  • Russia dips into its secret laser arsenal
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If it's so great why are you getting your asses kicked so bad?
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:38:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:



no problem

just trying to keep this on track and from spiraling out of control. it's an important thread. i have zero desire to see it locked and i don't want to see people removed from it.
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By Dagger41:

Sorry. I was catching up and responded to a post a few pages back.



no problem

just trying to keep this on track and from spiraling out of control. it's an important thread. i have zero desire to see it locked and i don't want to see people removed from it.


So where is the thread that we can discuss it so this one doesn't get derailed?
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:39:05 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:40:21 AM EDT
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If it's so great why are you getting your asses kicked so bad?
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Originally Posted By burnka871:
Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
  • Russia uses lasers in Ukraine
  • Russia dips into its secret laser arsenal
  • Satellites 1,500 km away can be blinded

Russia uses new generation of laser weapons in Ukraine



If it's so great why are you getting your asses kicked so bad?

No matter how amazing the tech, at the end of the day, it's still being operated by a Russian.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:42:04 AM EDT
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No matter how amazing the tech, at the end of the day, it's still being operated by a Russian.
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Da tovorish, vodka make stronk
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:42:07 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:42:50 AM EDT
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No matter how amazing the tech, at the end of the day, it's still being operated by a Russian.
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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:44:16 AM EDT
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It didn't take the Military Industrial Complex long to smell profit.

WASHINGTON: The US is preparing a military aid package for India to deepen security ties and reduce the country's dependence on Russian weapons, people familiar with the matter said. The package under consideration would include foreign military financing of as much as $500 million, according to one person, which would make India one of the largest recipients of such aid behind Israel and Egypt. It's unclear when the deal would be announced, or what weapons would be included.

The effort is part of a much larger initiative by President Joe Biden's administration to court India as a long-term security partner, despite its reluctance to criticize Russia for its invasion of Ukraine, according to a senior US official who asked not to be named.

Washington wants to be seen as a reliable partner for India across the board, the official added, and the administration is working with other nations including France to make sure Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government has the equipment it needs. While India is already diversifying its military platforms away from Russia, the US wants to help make that happen faster, the official said.

The major challenge remains how to provide India major platforms like fighter jets, naval ships and battle tanks, the official said, adding that the administration is looking for a breakthrough in one of these areas. The financing package being discussed would do little to make those types of systems -- which can cost billions or tens of billions of dollars -- more affordable, but it would be a significant symbolic sign of support.

India's Foreign Ministry didn't immediately respond to a request for comment. Officials at the State Department and US embassy in New Delhi didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

India is the world's largest buyer of Russian weapons, although it has scaled back that relationship of late. Over the past decade, India has bought more than $4 billion worth of military equipment from the US and more than $25 billion from Russia, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which collects data on arms transfers.

India's dependence on Russia for weapons against neighbors China and Pakistan is a big reason Modi's government has avoided criticizing Russian President Vladimir Putin over the war in Ukraine. As the US, Europe, Australia and Japan piled economic sanctions on Russia, India has held off and instead continued imports of discounted Russian oil.

While the US and its allies were initially frustrated with India, they have sought to woo Modi's government as a key security partner -- including against China in the Indo-Pacific region. Modi is set to join a summit with Biden next week in South Korea. The meeting will include leaders from the Quad, a partnership between the US, India, Japan and Australia that has drawn criticism from China. Modi also received an invitation to join the Group of Seven leaders in Germany next month.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin made the point about China when he spoke at a news conference in April with Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Indian Defense Minster Rajnath Singh and Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar.

"We're doing all this because the United States supports India as a defense industry leader in the Indo-Pacific and a net provider of security in the region," Austin said. "And we all understand the challenges that we face there. The People's Republic of China is seeking to refashion the region and the international system more broadly in ways that serve its interests."

Links between the US and India have steadily deepened over the past two decades, with the two sides reaching agreements that allow for more interoperability between their military platforms.

Backing for India is a rare point of bipartisan unity in Washington, and the Biden administration has signaled that it isn't interested in sanctioning New Delhi over its recent decision to buy the S-400 missile defense system from Russia. Turkey's purchase of the same system deeply damaged US ties with the NATO ally.

Still, it remains to be seen how far India will go in accepting US military assistance. Russia has historically supplied the majority of India's military hardware, including fighter jets and missiles, as well as almost all its tanks and helicopters. Modi's government has told the US the alternatives to moving away completely from Russian weapons imports are too expensive, according to people familiar with the situation, who asked not to be identified because they are not authorized to speak with the media.
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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:45:03 AM EDT
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Lol I was wondering this morning what had become of those old armored trains..hahaha this is awesome!
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Nyet! Comrade armored train is fine! Not to believe holhol lies!

Doctor Zhivago ~ Strelnikov''s train (Powerful scene)
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:46:44 AM EDT
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If it's so great why are you getting your asses kicked so bad?
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Originally Posted By burnka871:
Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
  • Russia uses lasers in Ukraine
  • Russia dips into its secret laser arsenal
  • Satellites 1,500 km away can be blinded

Russia uses new generation of laser weapons in Ukraine



If it's so great why are you getting your asses kicked so bad?



I don't know, but the few satellites we built for the military were pretty well protected from ground based laser blinding systems, and nuclear detonations.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:48:25 AM EDT
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Anybody seeing an update on Turkey posturing over Sweden & Finland applying for NATO membership?
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:49:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
  • Russia uses lasers in Ukraine
  • Russia dips into its secret laser arsenal
  • Satellites 1,500 km away can be blinded

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Originally Posted By PurpleOtter:
  • Russia uses lasers in Ukraine
  • Russia dips into its secret laser arsenal
  • Satellites 1,500 km away can be blinded
LONDON, May 18 (Reuters) - Russia on Wednesday said it was using a new generation of powerful laser weapons in Ukraine to burn up drones, deploying some of Moscow's secret weapons to counter a flood of Western arms supplied to its former Soviet neighbour.

President Vladimir Putin in 2018 unveiled an array of new weapons including a new intercontinental ballistic missile, underwater nuclear drones, a supersonic weapon and a new laser weapon.

Little is known about the specifics of the new laser weapons. Putin mentioned one called Peresvet, named after a medieval Orthodox warrior monk Alexander Peresvet who perished in mortal combat.

Yury Borisov, the deputy prime minister in charge of military development, told a conference in Moscow that Peresvet was already being widely deployed and it could blind satellites up to 1,500 km above Earth.

He said, though, that there were already more powerful Russian systems than Peresvet that could burn up drones and other equipment. Borisov cited a test on Tuesday which he said had burned up a drone 5 km away within five seconds.

"If Peresvet blinds, then the new generation of laser weapons lead to the physical destruction of the target - thermal destruction, they burn up," Borisov told Russian state television.

Asked if such weapons were being used in Ukraine, Borisov said: "Yes. The first prototypes are already being used there." He said the weapon was called "Zadira".

Almost nothing is publicly known about Zadira but in 2017 Russian media said Russia's state nuclear corporation, Rosatom, helped develop it as part of a programme to create weapons-based new physical principles, known by the Russian acronym ONFP.

Putin's Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine has illustrated the limits of Russia's post-Soviet conventional armed forces, though he says the "special military operation" is going to plan and will achieve all of Moscow's aims.

The United States has ruled out sending its own or NATO forces to Ukraine but Washington and its allies have supplied billions of dollars of weapons to Kyiv such as drones, Howitzer heavy artillery, anti-aircraft Stinger and anti-tank Javelin missiles.

Putin casts such large arms shipments as part of a broader plan by the United States to destroy Russia - and has promised that it will never succeed.

Borisov's remarks indicate that Russia has made significant progress with laser weapons, a trend of considerable interest to other nuclear powers such as the United States and China.

Using lasers to blind satellites - or even burn them up - was once a fantasy from the realm of science fiction, but major powers such as the United States, China and Russia have been working on variants of such weapons for years.

Besides the benefits in conventional warfare of burning up drones, blinding reconnaissance systems has a strategic impact too as satellites are used to monitor intercontinental ballistic missiles which carry nuclear weapons.

Borisov said he had just returned from Sarov, a closed town in the Nizhny Novgorod region once known as Arzamas-16 because it was so secret, which is a centre of Russia's nuclear weapons research.

He said a new generation of laser weapons using a wide electromagnetic band would ultimately replace conventional weapons.

"This is not some sort of exotic idea; it is the reality," Borisov said.

Russia uses new generation of laser weapons in Ukraine



And the solution is a lens (tinted to block their lasers spectrum) duct taped to the drones camera.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:49:17 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 10:57:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:


What we are asking is that you do not derail THIS thread with the discussion and bitching of a topic that is completely unrelated to the Ukraine War, which is what the vast majority of people reading this thread care about.  If members insist on cluttering up this thread with off-topic discussion, then it stops being the valuable resource that lots of people really enjoy and find useful.

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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
All of those take a fair amount of time to spin up increased production. And most of the man portable MANPADS/ATGMS are pretty low rate production.

Lockheed is hoping to be able to 2x Jav production to 4,000 units a year, but says supply chains would need to also catch up. Ukraine has already received 5,000 javs, to put that into perspective:
https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2022/05/09/lockheed-aiming-to-double-javelin-production-seeks-supply-chain-crank-up/

I'd be shocked if the more obscure muntions like Martlet/Starstreak could crank up more production than that.

Probably a stopgap of using 'smart scopes' + dumb munitions may be worth looking into. Such as pairing the Carl Gustaf with Aimpoint Fire Control Unit with unguided 84mm.

Not as good as a Javelin, but a much higher hit probability than a AT4/RPG etc.
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To clarify - it's unlikely the US will spin up Stinger production - we're just giving them old stocks and letting them get used up, since it's been out of serial production for 20 years, and the US has never really made serious use of it. The US has other, newer, more capable ADA assets which render it surplus to US needs, even if it still does a decent job. New missiles like the Starstreak can be ramped up, and older manpad types will just be flushed out of stores to where they're doing some good. Ukraine is also getting Iron Dome and other systems to supplement manpads.

We're definitely going to ramp up Javelin production, since it's so multi-role useful.

However, even if the US sent every single stinger and javelin to Ukraine, it doesn't exactly render the US defenseless. US forces aren't going to deploy without air and armor assets, and I can't imagine a conflict scenario where brave teams of US anti-armor infantry are sneaking around trying to take out columns of enemy tanks with javelins and fighting off enemy strike aircraft with manpads. If a commando scenario were to require manpads, I'm sure we'll have held back a few hundred, at least, against an eventuality like that.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 11:00:06 AM EDT
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I don't think Turkey is ACTUALLY opposed to their application - they are just positioning themselves to extract some concessions/value from NATO by pretending to want to block the application.

They want something (and whether it's F35s, or money, or whatever) and they are just using this situation to try to get it.


And also to be dicks, because Erdogan.
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Originally Posted By mercersfinest4:
Anybody seeing an update on Turkey posturing over Sweden & Finland applying for NATO membership?


I don't think Turkey is ACTUALLY opposed to their application - they are just positioning themselves to extract some concessions/value from NATO by pretending to want to block the application.

They want something (and whether it's F35s, or money, or whatever) and they are just using this situation to try to get it.


And also to be dicks, because Erdogan.
They want Sweden and Finland to push back support for the Kurds.  That's the bottom line.

Link Posted: 5/18/2022 11:00:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Naporter:

No matter how amazing the tech, at the end of the day, it's still being operated by a Russian.
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R&D cost money, a lot of money that may or may not pay dividends.  Money that typically comes on-top-of and AFTER the general operations of a company or military have been funded.  The US budget is 12X that of Russia, not just this year---but every year for decades.  That's a massive discrepancy.

Based on the level of execution of the Russian military, the performance of their weapons systems and the apparent total abuse of any financial resources and theft---I have a hard time believing the Russians have developed anything that equals much less outperforms anything the US has in operation.  Maybe that's arrogance, but I have no reason to believe Russia has anything that is game-changing other than a lot of questionable nukes.

Sidenote:  With India's potential move away from Russian weapons, there is some poor military sales guy in Russia having one really bad day.
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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 11:04:30 AM EDT
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Zeihan is a politically biased demographer that's making hay while the sun shines by playing universal expert.

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Originally Posted By Circuits:
Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Zeihan discussing the challenge of producing more Javelins and Stingers should the war go on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTb-xgcdmUc

The problem with Zeihan's analysis is that he equates munitions provided with munitions expended, and further only addresses US-provided materiel. Ukraine produces its own munitions, in addition to receiving stocks of all sorts from varied Western supporters. Even if we run out of Stingers to send them, there are Martlets and Iglas and Starstreaks and Stugnas and Brimstones and a number of others which I'm not encyclopedic enough to rattle off all at once here.

I'm also pretty sure Uncle Sugar will be firing up those production lines to make more, and better, too.

Zeihan is a politically biased demographer that's making hay while the sun shines by playing universal expert.



I have noticed Zeihan usually sounds pretty solid with worldwide macroeconomic issues, but the farther he strays from that, the less sense he makes sometimes.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 11:07:17 AM EDT
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Anybody seeing an update on Turkey posturing over Sweden & Finland applying for NATO membership?
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Anybody seeing an update on Turkey posturing over Sweden & Finland applying for NATO membership?

Turkey has blocked discussions on Finland and Sweden's accession NATO hours after the countries officially launched their bids to join the alliance, a diplomatic source told DW on condition of anonymity.

Turkey on Wednesday stopped NATO members from starting talks on the bids launched by Finland and Sweden to join the alliance, a diplomatic source told DW correspondent Teri Schultz, currently on assignment in Stockholm.

Helsinki and Sweden handed their official bid to NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg on Wednesday morning.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had already indicated likely resistance from his government. Such decisions require unanimous approval from NATO member states.

Why is Turkey against Finland and Sweden's NATO membership?

Ankara had raised objections to the ascension of the two Nordic states days ahead of their bids.

It claims that the two are harboring Kurdish groups such as the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) and the Syrian People's Defense Units (YPG) which Turkey has branded as "terrorists." The EU and US also classify the PKK as a terrorist organization.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan repeated his complaints on Wednesday in Ankara, saying that "we cannot say yes" to Finland and Sweden joining NATO until they return "terrorists" to Turkey.

For a country to join the alliance, all 30 members must give their consent.

Nevertheless, other members of the alliance have given their full backing to the Nordic countries and remain optimistic that they can overcome Turkey's objections. They hope to complete the process in six months rather than the usual 12 months.

More to come...

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NATO: Turkey blocks early talks on Finland and Sweden joining
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  • A spike in the cost of insurance on Russian debt implied a 90% probability Wednesday the Kremlin will miss bond payments within a year.
  • That's up from 77% on Tuesday, according to ICE Data Services.
  • The jump follows a report that the Biden administration will block bond payments from Russia to US investors.
A spike in the cost of insurance on Russian debt implied a 90% probability Wednesday the Kremlin will miss bond payments within a year.

That's up from 77% on Tuesday, Bloomberg reported, citing ICE Data Services, which tracks insurance on debt meant to protect investors.

The surge comes as investors contemplate the likelihood of the Biden administration blocking bond payments from Russia to US holders, putting Moscow closer to its first sovereign debt default in nearly 100 years.

The increased default risk is tied to a sanctions waiver from the US Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Asset Control that has thus far allowed the Kremlin to pay off dollar-debt obligations.

But on Tuesday, sources told Bloomberg that the Treasury Department is expected to let the waiver lapse once it expires on May 25.

"I think it's reasonably likely that the license will be allowed to expire. There has not been a final decision on that, but I think it's unlikely that it would continue," US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen told reporters Wednesday in Germany before meeting G7 finance ministers.

She added that Russia is already cut off from global capital, and the country missing its debt obligations doesn't really represent "a significant change in Russia's situation."

The Kremlin has struggled to navigate payment channels essentially blocked by Western sanctions, making it difficult for money to reach bond holders.

Still, Russia has until now been able to use US banks as key conduits for delivering sovereign bond payments, although the country nearly missed a deadline earlier this month.

But an end to the Treasury Department's waiver next week would come just before the Kremlin's next payment is due on May 27 for bonds that mature in 2026 and 2036.
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I have noticed Zeihan usually sounds pretty solid with worldwide macroeconomic issues, but the farther he strays from that, the less sense he makes sometimes.
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Originally Posted By rca2222:
Originally Posted By Circuits:
Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Zeihan discussing the challenge of producing more Javelins and Stingers should the war go on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTb-xgcdmUc

The problem with Zeihan's analysis is that he equates munitions provided with munitions expended, and further only addresses US-provided materiel. Ukraine produces its own munitions, in addition to receiving stocks of all sorts from varied Western supporters. Even if we run out of Stingers to send them, there are Martlets and Iglas and Starstreaks and Stugnas and Brimstones and a number of others which I'm not encyclopedic enough to rattle off all at once here.

I'm also pretty sure Uncle Sugar will be firing up those production lines to make more, and better, too.

Zeihan is a politically biased demographer that's making hay while the sun shines by playing universal expert.



I have noticed Zeihan usually sounds pretty solid with worldwide macroeconomic issues, but the farther he strays from that, the less sense he makes sometimes.


When all you have is a macroeconomic hammer...
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Originally Posted By Krater:
Mr. "Zelensky is a thug" just lost his primary.  I know it wasn't because of that, but I figure every little bit helps.  I'm quite happy with this outcome.
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Yes, i agree.  I am generally a conservative but he rubbed me the wrong way.  I don't mind people who oppose this war, or any war.  But you can state your reasons in a manner that doesn't make me want to punch you i the throat... that's not asking too much.  Hopefully his replacement will still be pro-border security and energy independence without the fuc%ery.
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More info dribbling out.

Turkey blocks accession talksLater on Wednesday, the Financial Times reported(siirryt toiseen palveluun) that Turkey had blocked Nato's initial decision to process requests by Finland and Sweden to join the military alliance.

Nato ambassadors met on Wednesday afternoon, shortly after Finland and Sweden had submitted their applications, with the aim of beginning accession negotiations. However, FT reported, Turkey prevented any vote from going ahead.

In a speech to Parliament on Wednesday, Erdoan once again referred to Finland and Sweden siding with "terrorist organisations".

"You won't hand over terrorists but you want to join Nato. We cannot say yes to a security organisation that is devoid of security," he said.

According to Yle's information, Turkish authorities have requested that Finland extradite several people to Turkey over the past five years, including six members of the Glen movement and six members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

Most of these people have sought asylum in Finland in recent years, Yle understands.
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Top official accuses the international bodies of neglecting 'all obligations towards our country.'

The Russian government is starting the process of unilaterally withdrawing from a series of international bodies, including the World Trade Organization and the World Health Organization, the Russian Duma's Deputy Speaker Pyotr Tolstoy said on Tuesday.

"We have work to revise our international obligations, treaties that today bring no benefit, but instead directly harm our country. The Foreign Ministry sent a list of such agreements to the State Duma," Tolstoy said. "Together with the Federation Council, we plan to analyze them and to propose to withdraw," he added.

Tolstoy singled out the international trade and health organizations, saying that "the next step is to withdraw from the WTO and the WHO, which have neglected all obligations towards our country."

European WHO member countries voted on May 10 in favor of a resolution that forces the WHO to decide on the potential relocation of its European non-communicable diseases office out of Moscow as well as the temporary suspension of regional meetings in Russia. The resolution was slammed by Russia's Deputy Health Minister Andrey Plutnitsky who described it as a "gross violation of the constitution of the WHO."

And back in March, a pro-Kremlin minority party in the Duma drew up a bill proposing to withdraw from the WTO after a group of Western countries chose to suspend Moscow's trade preferences after its invasion of Ukraine.

The idea of withdrawing appears to be a U-turn from the government's side. Just last month, Moscow was still hinting that it'd rather stay within the trade body. "The Government provides counter-arguments in support of our membership," Russia's Mission to the WTO wrote to POLITICO last month, in response to a question about the March bill.
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Russia takes first steps to withdraw from WTO, WHO
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 11:30:25 AM EDT
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And the solution is a lens (tinted to block their lasers spectrum) duct taped to the drones camera.
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They don't even seem to be able to sense the drones. Can't shoot what you don't see
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 11:32:08 AM EDT
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Top official accuses the international bodies of neglecting 'all obligations towards our country.'


Russia takes first steps to withdraw from WTO, WHO
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Top official accuses the international bodies of neglecting 'all obligations towards our country.'

The Russian government is starting the process of unilaterally withdrawing from a series of international bodies, including the World Trade Organization and the World Health Organization, the Russian Duma's Deputy Speaker Pyotr Tolstoy said on Tuesday.

"We have work to revise our international obligations, treaties that today bring no benefit, but instead directly harm our country. The Foreign Ministry sent a list of such agreements to the State Duma," Tolstoy said. "Together with the Federation Council, we plan to analyze them and to propose to withdraw," he added.

Tolstoy singled out the international trade and health organizations, saying that "the next step is to withdraw from the WTO and the WHO, which have neglected all obligations towards our country."

European WHO member countries voted on May 10 in favor of a resolution that forces the WHO to decide on the potential relocation of its European non-communicable diseases office out of Moscow as well as the temporary suspension of regional meetings in Russia. The resolution was slammed by Russia's Deputy Health Minister Andrey Plutnitsky who described it as a "gross violation of the constitution of the WHO."

And back in March, a pro-Kremlin minority party in the Duma drew up a bill proposing to withdraw from the WTO after a group of Western countries chose to suspend Moscow's trade preferences after its invasion of Ukraine.

The idea of withdrawing appears to be a U-turn from the government's side. Just last month, Moscow was still hinting that it'd rather stay within the trade body. "The Government provides counter-arguments in support of our membership," Russia's Mission to the WTO wrote to POLITICO last month, in response to a question about the March bill.

Russia takes first steps to withdraw from WTO, WHO

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If Turkey's not careful, this might just lead to someone (like most of the other members of NATO, including the bigger players) starting the "Baltic Treaty Organization" (BTO), thus takin' care of business that way.
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Originally Posted By mercersfinest4:
Anybody seeing an update on Turkey posturing over Sweden & Finland applying for NATO membership?

Turkey has blocked discussions on Finland and Sweden's accession NATO hours after the countries officially launched their bids to join the alliance, a diplomatic source told DW on condition of anonymity.

Turkey on Wednesday stopped NATO members from starting talks on the bids launched by Finland and Sweden to join the alliance, a diplomatic source told DW correspondent Teri Schultz, currently on assignment in Stockholm.

Helsinki and Sweden handed their official bid to NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg on Wednesday morning.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had already indicated likely resistance from his government. Such decisions require unanimous approval from NATO member states.

Why is Turkey against Finland and Sweden's NATO membership?

Ankara had raised objections to the ascension of the two Nordic states days ahead of their bids.

It claims that the two are harboring Kurdish groups such as the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) and the Syrian People's Defense Units (YPG) which Turkey has branded as "terrorists." The EU and US also classify the PKK as a terrorist organization.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan repeated his complaints on Wednesday in Ankara, saying that "we cannot say yes" to Finland and Sweden joining NATO until they return "terrorists" to Turkey.

For a country to join the alliance, all 30 members must give their consent.

Nevertheless, other members of the alliance have given their full backing to the Nordic countries and remain optimistic that they can overcome Turkey's objections. They hope to complete the process in six months rather than the usual 12 months.

More to come...

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NATO: Turkey blocks early talks on Finland and Sweden joining


Thanks.  It seems the Kurds always get hung out to dry.
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Literally the SpongeBob meme. "We did it Patrick! We saved the city."
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Originally Posted By Circuits:
If Turkey's not careful, this might just lead to someone (like most of the other members of NATO, including the bigger players) starting the "Baltic Treaty Organization" (BTO), thus takin' care of business that way.
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If Turkey's not careful, this might just lead to someone (like most of the other members of NATO, including the bigger players) starting the "Baltic Treaty Organization" (BTO), thus takin' care of business that way.


It would take longer to stand up a new organization than to admit new members to NATO, but it may be a better option.

Turkey and Germany are problematic allies.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 11:51:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Billy_Ringo:
Maybe I was just uninformed or naive, but it has been an eye-opener as to how much of the Ukraine/Russia war has been fought off the battlefield via economic/financial embargoes and constraints as well as social media/press/public opinion.  

Financially, Russia has screwed themselves as they are almost completely isolated.  Exports, imports, access to international funding, even access to their own overseas wealth have all been decimated.  And it will get worse before it might ever get better as alternate sources to Russian gas/fuel are put in place.

And social media?  The world turned against them so fast it made my head spin.  NATO expanding, the number of countries militarily supporting Ukraine and global distaste of anything Russia all happened so quickly.  

If someone was keeping score at home---it would appear the Ukrainians are tied on the actual battlefield but pitching no-hitters on the public opinion and economic/financial fronts.
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Aside from Russia’s army being ground to hamburger on the battlefield, what should really concern Russia is the postwar energy situation.
Germany in particular has made very clear that if Russia plays games with their energy supply (i.e. Ruble payment) then they no longer see Russia as a trustworthy and reliable energy partner.  Germany is not coming back as a customer, so the destruction of Russia’s energy sector is underway.
If Russia manages to do the right thing fast (kill Putin and withdraw) it can probably be reversed for now.  But once Germany (et al) has long-term contacts in hand Russia is fucked.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 11:51:24 AM EDT
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Here I was hoping to hear what the partisans were up to at some point:

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Insert the "Fuck yeah!" meme here

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/18/7346998/

https://news.yahoo.com/melitopol-guerrillas-kill-high-ranking-004018795.html
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 11:57:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Circuits:

The problem with Zeihan's analysis is that he equates munitions provided with munitions expended, and further only addresses US-provided materiel. Ukraine produces its own munitions, in addition to receiving stocks of all sorts from varied Western supporters. Even if we run out of Stingers to send them, there are Martlets and Iglas and Starstreaks and Stugnas and Brimstones and a number of others which I'm not encyclopedic enough to rattle off all at once here.

I'm also pretty sure Uncle Sugar will be firing up those production lines to make more, and better, too.
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I believe the production line is operational.  It's just that there are contracts for foreign orders in the pipeline.  So if the US wants to speed up production, they are probably saying expand the line to allow new US orders without delaying the current orders.
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The Stinger is outdated. Money spent on it is money not spent in its replacement. We shouldn’t buy any more stingers.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 12:05:43 PM EDT
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I suppose a country that had gotten in a stupid war
and were desperate because they were losing would
do this to their own countrymen and soldiers.
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
   Regarding Russians going back to the fight: I have read how troops who have refused to fight based upon being conscripts who can’t be compelled to engage in war in another country have refused to fight. They are fold they are told they  being moved and indeed are,to exactly where fighting is heaviest. Of course who knows the absolute veracity of this.

I suppose a country that had gotten in a stupid war
and were desperate because they were losing would
do this to their own countrymen and soldiers.

Early in the war Putin had to go on TV and apologize that “some” conscripts were “mistakenly” used in Ukraine.  Of course after that they continued to do it and continued to lie about it, to say nothing of their despicable forced mobilization tactics.
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  • Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said Russia was "finding it difficult" in the Ukraine invasion.
  • Russian propaganda sought to portray the invasion as a triumph, but Russia has encountered setbacks.
  • Kadyrov's forces have played a key role in Ukraine, including a failed plot to assassinate the Ukraine President.

Putin ally Kadyrov admits that Russia is 'finding it difficult' in the invasion of Ukraine
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Kadyrov’s seat getting a little warm?  If Russia is perceived as weakened to the point they aren’t able to threaten Chechnya, all scores will be settled.
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Mindless drunken Orcs turning Mariupol into Mordor. FUCK RUSSIA.
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