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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:20:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Yep and nothing makes this look OK or good for Ukraine Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: No, they’ll be lucky to keep Mauriopol when it’s all said and done. They (the Russians) are loosing 4-1 in men and equipment. The Ukrainians are attriting them, letting them blow their load and waiting for wester systems to arrive in large #. They have 100,000’s of troops not even forward deployed yet. They are just waiting till the Russians play themselves out. Then they will pinch them off. I’ve got 25$ on it. It might be another 2-3 months but you will see. I hope you are right about this, it sounds pretty hopeful to me. The russians are making big pushes and they are taking ground. With the russians in big formations instead of being strung out I would bet that the losses are no longer 4-1. Ukraine was able to hit small units and exposed convoys, Ukraine was defending and russia was attacking.That is no longer the case. The russians are now a lot closer to their own supply lines and their troops are better protected. If there are a lot of Ukraine troops and equipment about to come online it will make a difference. If not, I don't know how long it will take to damage the russian army to the point they can no longer move forward, and I have no idea how many the Ukranians are losing now. If they are closer to 1 to 1 rate at this point it really is a matter of who bleeds out first. Even if it was close to 1:1, the Russians lose. Ukraine is mobilized. When it comes to a siege, the Rus won't hold out like the Ukes did at the steel plant. Not their home. The commies have been steadily taking ground over the last few weeks. What ever gains the UA makes the commies come and take it back. This is very troubling. Yep and nothing makes this look OK or good for Ukraine Ukraine doing fighting withdrawals is part of their strategy, posted this last night but for clarification on the situation. We need to read between the lines on some of this. Russian forces have likely abandoned efforts to complete a single large encirclement of Ukrainian forces in eastern Ukraine and are instead attempting to secure smaller encirclements—enabling them to make incremental measured gains. Russian forces are likely attempting to achieve several simultaneous encirclements of small pockets of Ukrainian forces in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts: the broader Severodonetsk area (including Rubizhne and Lysychansk), Bakhmut-Lysychansk, around Zolote (just northeast of Popasna), and around Ukrainian fortifications in Avdiivka. Russian forces have begun steadily advancing efforts in these different encirclements daily but have not achieved any major “breakthroughs” or made major progress towards their stated objectives of securing the Donetsk Oblast borders or seizing all of Donbas. Luhansk Oblast Administration Head Serhiy Haidai reported that Ukrainian forces only controlled approximately 10 percent of Luhansk Oblast as of May 15 (compared to 30 percent prior to the full-scale Russian invasion on February 24, 2022).[1] Russian forces have secured more terrain in the past week than efforts earlier in May. However, they have done so by reducing the scope of their objectives—largely abandoning operations around Izyum and concentrating on key frontline towns: Russian performance remains poor. Russian forces will additionally likely face protracted urban combat if they successfully encircle Severodonetsk (as well as in other large towns like Bakhmut), which Russian forces have struggled with throughout the war. Russian forces are committing a significant number of their troops, artillery, and aircraft to defeat Ukrainian defenders in Luhansk Oblast and are likely pulling necessary resources from the Izyum axis, defensive positions around Kharkiv City, Donetsk City, and the Zaporizhia area. Luhansk Oblast Administration Head Serhiy Haidai has previously compared Ukrainian forces in Luhansk Oblast to the previous defenders of Mariupol, which aimed to wear out Russian forces and prevent further offensive operations.[2] The UK Defense Ministry also noted that a Russian victory over Severodonetsk will only worsen Russian logistical issues and extend Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs).[3] Russian forces are making greater advances in the past week than throughout the rest of May—but these advances remain slow, confined to smaller objectives than the Kremlin intended, and face continued Ukrainian defenses; they do not constitute a major breakthrough. Senior Kremlin officials are increasingly openly admitting that the Russian offensive in Ukraine is moving slower than anticipated and are grasping for explanations to justify the slow pace. Forcefully mobilized servicemen from the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics continued to protest the Russian and proxy military command. Servicemen of the 3rd Infantry Battalion of the 105th Infantry Regiment from the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) recorded a video appeal to DNR Head Denis Pushilin wherein they claimed they were mobilized on February 23 and that they have been forced to actively participate in hostilities despite their lack of military experience The battalion stated that they served on the frontlines in Mariupol and have been redeployed to the territory of the Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) with only 60% of their original personnel and are now dealing with severe morale issues and physical exhaustion This change in the Russian approach is enabling gradual advances—but at the cost of abandoning several intended lines of advance and abandoning the Kremlin’s intended deep encirclement of Ukrainian forces in eastern Ukraine. Ukrainian forces are likely conducting a controlled withdrawal southwest of Popasna near Bakhmut to protect Ukrainian supply lines against Russian offensives in the southeast of Bakhmut. Russian units around Izyum are likely heavily degraded and it is highly unlikely Russia is operating twenty-five full strength BTGs (at 800-900 personnel per BTG, this would be 20,000-22,500 personnel in total). Many Russian personnel on this axis are likely in rear areas or not combat effective. Moreover, poor Russian tactics largely nullify the weight of numbers on this front, as Russian forces remain confined to launching narrow attacks down major roads that often do not employ more than a single BTG—at most—at a time. Russian forces launched ground assaults on settlements approximately 20 km southwest of Severodonetsk, but have not reached the city.[16] The UK Defense Ministry noted that Russian advances towards Severodonetsk from Rubizhne and advances from the southwest remain separated by approximately 25 km, and Russian forces may be able to encircle Severodonetsk in the coming days.[17] Russian forces will likely struggle to capture the city itself, however, and Russian assaults on major urban terrain have been unable to quickly take ground throughout the war. Some of the maps shown for this literally show less than 1km in gains by the Russians in a single day. I think people hear "gains" and assume much more territory is being taken. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:22:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2022/05/oil-leakage-new-dock-built-repair-russias-ill-fated-carrier A photo has emerged online showing oil film on the water shortly after the "Admiral Kuznetsov" was moved into the dock at shipyard No. 35 in Murmansk. https://thebarentsobserver.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/kuzze_with_oil_film_dock_murmansk.jpeg?itok=iq_skFJF Looks like a good setting for another fire. 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:25:39 AM EDT
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Drone assisted artillery from Ukraine with a tiny drone.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uxh99k/ukrainians_using_a_drone_to_guide_artillery_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:29:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/f5AZ2aj.jpg The Russians are moving a shit ton of T-62s into Crimea  https://nitter.net/UAWeapons/status/1529404520828133380#m They had to dig deep into the mothballed USSR inventory for those. Next up: cutting edge T-55s tovarish! |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:30:19 AM EDT
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Ukrainians in a trench near Severodonetsk while under Russian shelling.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:33:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: That's almost equivalent to a BMP-3, but the T-62 can't fire atgm's Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/f5AZ2aj.jpg The Russians are moving a shit ton of T-62s into Crimea https://nitter.net/UAWeapons/status/1529404520828133380#m That's almost equivalent to a BMP-3, but the T-62 can't fire atgm's The T-62M CAN fire ATGMs. 9M117 Bastion through the barrel. 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:33:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: What you are failing to understand, that Ukraine already does understand is that they don't have time. There is not an option of giving up land to build up a bigger force. First you need to grasp the fact of "Russia is just blowing its load" is false or past-tense at this stage. Russia has very much learned from there mistakes at the first month of this war. VERY much learned. They are now fighting like a cohesive Combined Arms with strategy, and they are taking land EVERY day. UKRAINE, for the last 5 to 6 days has not been able to stop advances in very strategic places that is imperative for Ukraine to keep. There is no time to spare while they "build up" a force, as you say to stop the Russian onslaught. IF Russia takes DONETSK AND LUHANSK republics then Russia has won. And by all info available as of today it very much looks like that is going to happen, even if russia goes beyond those boundaries and are stopped by Ukraine russia has won this war. You are failing to realize as many are, even world leaders that if Ukraine cannot hold onto those regions NOW. There is no getting them back and a Ukraine that's smaller than Ukraine the day before this invasion started is no Ukraine at all. And the war is lost. Russia will announce they won the war, everythibg will calm down, Ukraine will be smaller and the west's support will come to a stop or close to it. Then it's back to other world problems and elections and the russo-ukraine war will be old news I don't think you understand how little land Russia is taking and how many casualties it costs them to take it. At the rate they're taking land they'll have Donetsk and Luhansk secured in another two months or so. Meanwhile Russia is bleeding men and materials at an unsustainable rate. A lot of people say that Russia has switched to fighting a war of attrition but it's not true. Russia is fighting a war of conquest, they have to take territory even if they pay a high cost to do so, which they have been. Ukraine is the one fighting a war of attrition, so far they have avoided large decisive battles, avoided getting trapped in large encirclements, and inflicted far more causalities then they've taken. Yes, they are losing more land area then they've been gaining in the past few weeks but there has been no Russian break through and no sign of one coming soon. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:35:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: The T-62M CAN fire ATGMs. 9M117 Bastion through the barrel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/f5AZ2aj.jpg The Russians are moving a shit ton of T-62s into Crimea https://nitter.net/UAWeapons/status/1529404520828133380#m That's almost equivalent to a BMP-3, but the T-62 can't fire atgm's The T-62M CAN fire ATGMs. 9M117 Bastion through the barrel. I forgot about that. That's scraping the bottom of the barrel though with these things.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:40:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Supposedly Ukrainians using the Spanish Instalanza C90 to finish off a BMP in the failed river crossing in Dronivka.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uxcxtk/reportedly_ukrainian_sof_finishing_off_a_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:42:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:43:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Ukraine 45th Artillery shelling Russian positions in Zaproizhzhia Oblast.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uxbk17/ukraines_45th_artillery_brigade_shelling_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:57:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: UA says so. https://www.facebook.com/AFUStratCom/posts/379218530913467 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/639BE6EF-71C1-47B3-80D8-234F0D089C54_jpe-2396376.JPG If this is true, I will open a good bottle today.  UA says so. https://www.facebook.com/AFUStratCom/posts/379218530913467 Outstanding. I'm having a Cheerwine in a glass bottle with real cane sugar for this occasion, since I'm at work. 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:06:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: More than anything I think they need those GPS guided MLRS from HIMARS so they can start zapping Russian artillery from standoff distances. https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/guided-mlrs-unitary-rocket.html Alas, we seem to be pussing out about sending these: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/biden-resists-ukrainian-demands-long-range-rocket-launchers-00033473 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-kyiv-0c74a0c16b834732b81e460450da3131 the governor of the Luhansk region of the Donbas said the area is facing its “most difficult time” in the eight years since separatist fighting erupted there. “The Russians are advancing in all directions at the same time. They brought over an insane number of fighters and equipment,” the governor, Serhii Haidai, wrote on Telegram. “The invaders are killing our cities, destroying everything around.” He added that Luhansk is becoming “like Mariupol.” Christ. Ukraine needs more people and more weapons right fucking now.  More than anything I think they need those GPS guided MLRS from HIMARS so they can start zapping Russian artillery from standoff distances. https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/guided-mlrs-unitary-rocket.html Alas, we seem to be pussing out about sending these: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/biden-resists-ukrainian-demands-long-range-rocket-launchers-00033473 With modern day drones (even RU’s crummy ones), PGMs, and contested air superiority in the east - wouldn’t they just be subjected to tracking and destroyed when they go somewhere to be refit? We’ve seen countless videos of AA systems and other platforms getting zapped where they sleep so to speak. How does UA prevent this from happening? It isn’t like they are getting an endless supply. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:06:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: oswald01]
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Interesting youtube channel, HistoryLegends. Nice video of Ukrainian strategy regarding trenches:
 Trench Warfare is back! Analyzing 7 videos from Ukraine War Another nice video laying out a big picture analysis of the past month or so of Russian strategy.  Major Russian breakthrough at POPASNA Not mentioned is the use of earth moving excavation equipment as some trenches look like they were neat cut by an excavator. In that soil. a couple of backhoes with decent operators could dig a lot of trencing PDQ. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:08:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: I don't think you understand how little land Russia is taking and how many casualties it costs them to take it. At the rate they're taking land they'll have Donetsk and Luhansk secured in another two months or so. Meanwhile Russia is bleeding men and materials at an unsustainable rate. A lot of people say that Russia has switched to fighting a war of attrition but it's not true. Russia is fighting a war of conquest, they have to take territory even if they pay a high cost to do so, which they have been. Ukraine is the one fighting a war of attrition, so far they have avoided large decisive battles, avoided getting trapped in large encirclements, and inflicted far more causalities then they've taken. Yes, they are losing more land area then they've been gaining in the past few weeks but there has been no Russian break through and no sign of one coming soon. Finland joining NATO will hopefully relieve a lot of pressure from Ukraine. It will force Russia to move a lot of assets to defend the corrador to the northern russian fleet in murmansk. This will result in them having to move some troops and defensive systems. at the very least it might remove the pressure from the belarusian build up allowing Ukraine to move troops and supplies from protecting Kyiv to taking back land in the east. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:19:33 AM EDT
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Am I being overly optimistic on the Ukrainians' position in this war when the adversaries seem to be going in different directions:
Ukraine is gaining access in greater quantities to more sophisticated and lethal weapons and the number of highly motivated recruits is increasing, Russia seems to be rapidly using up their military arsenal and are having to rely on deteriorating, poorly trained and less motivated recruits. It's easy to be optimistic when most of what we see are videos of Ukrainian hits on Russian forces and armor. But that doesn't mean that's an accurate assessment of what's happening on the ground. Am I being overly optimistic? |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:28:41 AM EDT
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Those Russian advances have to be plotted on a very small map. When you zoom out to look at the whole country you can’t even see the lines move.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:30:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Billy_Ringo: Am I being overly optimistic on the Ukrainians' position in this war when the adversaries seem to be going in different directions: Ukraine is gaining access in greater quantities to more sophisticated and lethal weapons and the number of highly motivated recruits is increasing, Russia seems to be rapidly using up their military arsenal and are having to rely on deteriorating, poorly trained and less motivated recruits. It's easy to be optimistic when most of what we see are videos of Ukrainian hits on Russian forces and armor. But that doesn't mean that's an accurate assessment of what's happening on the ground. Am I being overly optimistic? I use multiple sources and what is posted here to come to a consensus on what might be happening. When you have the British MoD and ISW for example basically coldly stating what they are seeing, even using Russian sources of information, it looks bad for Russia in the long term. Even near term, look at the ISW assessment day by day, Russia gains ground, but at the cost of it's extended supply routes and lines of communication more exposed to Ukrainian attack. Ground is gained sometimes at 1km per day if there is a gain. Other areas are ceded by Ukraine in fighting withdrawals, only weeks later to be retaken by Ukrainian forces because Russian forces become worn down. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:47:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dracster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I forgot about that. That's scraping the bottom of the barrel though with these things.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/f5AZ2aj.jpg The Russians are moving a shit ton of T-62s into Crimea https://nitter.net/UAWeapons/status/1529404520828133380#m That's almost equivalent to a BMP-3, but the T-62 can't fire atgm's The T-62M CAN fire ATGMs. 9M117 Bastion through the barrel. I forgot about that. That's scraping the bottom of the barrel though with these things.https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pn1yzs/footage_of_russian_t62ms_being_reactivated_in_2021/ Also Russia to Prepare Soviet Era T-62M Tanks to Replenish Reserves |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:57:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: The vid gets really good around 1:20 https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pn1yzs/footage_of_russian_t62ms_being_reactivated_in_2021/ Also Russia to Prepare Soviet Era T-62M Tanks to Replenish Reserves Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/f5AZ2aj.jpg The Russians are moving a shit ton of T-62s into Crimea https://nitter.net/UAWeapons/status/1529404520828133380#m That's almost equivalent to a BMP-3, but the T-62 can't fire atgm's The T-62M CAN fire ATGMs. 9M117 Bastion through the barrel. I forgot about that. That's scraping the bottom of the barrel though with these things.https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pn1yzs/footage_of_russian_t62ms_being_reactivated_in_2021/ Also Russia to Prepare Soviet Era T-62M Tanks to Replenish Reserves Thanks for those, I appreciate it.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:04:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:10:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: The vid gets really good around 1:20 https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pn1yzs/footage_of_russian_t62ms_being_reactivated_in_2021/ Also Russia to Prepare Soviet Era T-62M Tanks to Replenish Reserves That DID get good Those guys are living in another time. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:15:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Firefly1032]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: I don't think you understand how little land Russia is taking and how many casualties it costs them to take it. At the rate they're taking land they'll have Donetsk and Luhansk secured in another two months or so. Meanwhile Russia is bleeding men and materials at an unsustainable rate. A lot of people say that Russia has switched to fighting a war of attrition but it's not true. Russia is fighting a war of conquest, they have to take territory even if they pay a high cost to do so, which they have been. Ukraine is the one fighting a war of attrition, so far they have avoided large decisive battles, avoided getting trapped in large encirclements, and inflicted far more causalities then they've taken. Yes, they are losing more land area then they've been gaining in the past few weeks but there has been no Russian break through and no sign of one coming soon. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: Originally Posted By AROKIE: What you are failing to understand, that Ukraine already does understand is that they don't have time. There is not an option of giving up land to build up a bigger force. First you need to grasp the fact of "Russia is just blowing its load" is false or past-tense at this stage. Russia has very much learned from there mistakes at the first month of this war. VERY much learned. They are now fighting like a cohesive Combined Arms with strategy, and they are taking land EVERY day. UKRAINE, for the last 5 to 6 days has not been able to stop advances in very strategic places that is imperative for Ukraine to keep. There is no time to spare while they "build up" a force, as you say to stop the Russian onslaught. IF Russia takes DONETSK AND LUHANSK republics then Russia has won. And by all info available as of today it very much looks like that is going to happen, even if russia goes beyond those boundaries and are stopped by Ukraine russia has won this war. You are failing to realize as many are, even world leaders that if Ukraine cannot hold onto those regions NOW. There is no getting them back and a Ukraine that's smaller than Ukraine the day before this invasion started is no Ukraine at all. And the war is lost. Russia will announce they won the war, everythibg will calm down, Ukraine will be smaller and the west's support will come to a stop or close to it. Then it's back to other world problems and elections and the russo-ukraine war will be old news I don't think you understand how little land Russia is taking and how many casualties it costs them to take it. At the rate they're taking land they'll have Donetsk and Luhansk secured in another two months or so. Meanwhile Russia is bleeding men and materials at an unsustainable rate. A lot of people say that Russia has switched to fighting a war of attrition but it's not true. Russia is fighting a war of conquest, they have to take territory even if they pay a high cost to do so, which they have been. Ukraine is the one fighting a war of attrition, so far they have avoided large decisive battles, avoided getting trapped in large encirclements, and inflicted far more causalities then they've taken. Yes, they are losing more land area then they've been gaining in the past few weeks but there has been no Russian break through and no sign of one coming soon. I understand what you are saying (I think ). They way I have looked at this though is Russia has never had issue with sacrificing men and material to gain land in its history. The one thing they have plenty of is iron and blood. Yes, I know RUs military size is a far cry from where it once was but they still can bring to bear a ton of manpower if they are to mobilize, future concerns be damned (Putin’s perspective). On the flip side, you have UA who has up to this point fought a war with superior weaponry and tactics and the results so far definitely highlight that. The question is what is the attrition rate of battlefield changing weaponry (complex artillery systems, PGMs, man-portable AA & AT systems, etc) through use and loss and is it sustainable? We are already seeing the West starting to lose interest and face internal pressures as goods prices rise, gas prices rise, the world begins to suffer from starvation; eventually those bottomless resources are going to dry up. Many countries have said they have little more to give in terms of those systems. Can UA shift the balance prior to this happening? Regarding the loss of land, we can’t make the assumption that it will be a consistent grind. One gap created in the right area could blow large sectors of the east open that would result in those large envelopments or surrenders. UA has appeared to fight smart and avoid sunk cost battles for the most part throughout the war. I would assume they are creating defense in depth where they can, it seems they have been wide regarding naturally defendable geography and terrain and using it to force Russia substantial losses in order to win. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:16:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: That DID get good Those guys are living in another time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By Dracster: The vid gets really good around 1:20 https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pn1yzs/footage_of_russian_t62ms_being_reactivated_in_2021/ Also Russia to Prepare Soviet Era T-62M Tanks to Replenish Reserves That DID get good Those guys are living in another time. lol, I'm wondering how new conscripts are going to be able to maintain these dinosaurs, they couldn't take care of the new ones they were issued very well. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:18:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dracster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Thanks for those, I appreciate it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/f5AZ2aj.jpg The Russians are moving a shit ton of T-62s into Crimea https://nitter.net/UAWeapons/status/1529404520828133380#m That's almost equivalent to a BMP-3, but the T-62 can't fire atgm's The T-62M CAN fire ATGMs. 9M117 Bastion through the barrel. I forgot about that. That's scraping the bottom of the barrel though with these things.https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pn1yzs/footage_of_russian_t62ms_being_reactivated_in_2021/ Also Russia to Prepare Soviet Era T-62M Tanks to Replenish Reserves Thanks for those, I appreciate it. Even more info |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:23:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/f5AZ2aj.jpg The Russians are moving a shit ton of T-62s into Crimea https://nitter.net/UAWeapons/status/1529404520828133380#m That's almost equivalent to a BMP-3, but the T-62 can't fire atgm's The T-62M CAN fire ATGMs. 9M117 Bastion through the barrel. I forgot about that. That's scraping the bottom of the barrel though with these things.https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pn1yzs/footage_of_russian_t62ms_being_reactivated_in_2021/ Also Russia to Prepare Soviet Era T-62M Tanks to Replenish Reserves Thanks for those, I appreciate it. Even more info Good info there, thanks. Last sentence states the estimate for bringing an average T-62 out of mothball status is ~7 days. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:25:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: Finland joining NATO will hopefully relieve a lot of pressure from Ukraine. It will force Russia to move a lot of assets to defend the corrador to the northern russian fleet in murmansk. This will result in them having to move some troops and defensive systems. at the very least it might remove the pressure from the belarusian build up allowing Ukraine to move troops and supplies from protecting Kyiv to taking back land in the east. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: Originally Posted By Fallen: I don't think you understand how little land Russia is taking and how many casualties it costs them to take it. At the rate they're taking land they'll have Donetsk and Luhansk secured in another two months or so. Meanwhile Russia is bleeding men and materials at an unsustainable rate. A lot of people say that Russia has switched to fighting a war of attrition but it's not true. Russia is fighting a war of conquest, they have to take territory even if they pay a high cost to do so, which they have been. Ukraine is the one fighting a war of attrition, so far they have avoided large decisive battles, avoided getting trapped in large encirclements, and inflicted far more causalities then they've taken. Yes, they are losing more land area then they've been gaining in the past few weeks but there has been no Russian break through and no sign of one coming soon. Finland joining NATO will hopefully relieve a lot of pressure from Ukraine. It will force Russia to move a lot of assets to defend the corrador to the northern russian fleet in murmansk. This will result in them having to move some troops and defensive systems. at the very least it might remove the pressure from the belarusian build up allowing Ukraine to move troops and supplies from protecting Kyiv to taking back land in the east. I don’t think it will force the Russians to move forces to counter Finland. They probably cannot spare the forces in Ukraine. Whatever their propaganda bullshit they know Finland isn’t going to invade. They just use that as a pretext (as in 1939) to invade others. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:31:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, I'm wondering how new conscripts are going to be able to maintain these dinosaurs, they couldn't take care of the new ones they were issued very well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By Dracster: The vid gets really good around 1:20 https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pn1yzs/footage_of_russian_t62ms_being_reactivated_in_2021/ Also Russia to Prepare Soviet Era T-62M Tanks to Replenish Reserves That DID get good Those guys are living in another time. lol, I'm wondering how new conscripts are going to be able to maintain these dinosaurs, they couldn't take care of the new ones they were issued very well. Probably won't matter much. They won't be in service long before they blow up or suffer some irreparable malfunction. Do the Russians even have spare parts for this relics? |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:35:06 AM EDT
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I would not want to go to war in an T tank but the T-62?! At least it has brass cased ammunition. That might keep some crews alive. Which is bad, in this context.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:37:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Probably won't matter much. They won't be in service long before they blow up or suffer some irreparable malfunction. Do the Russians even have spare parts for this relics? They probably do, as they have been exporting them for years. I’m unsure why they are bringing these into action when they have even more 72s and 80s stockpiled. Could have to do with a parts shortage for them? |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:41:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: What you are failing to understand, that Ukraine already does understand is that they don't have time. There is not an option of giving up land to build up a bigger force. First you need to grasp the fact of "Russia is just blowing its load" is false or past-tense at this stage. Russia has very much learned from there mistakes at the first month of this war. VERY much learned. They are now fighting like a cohesive Combined Arms with strategy, and they are taking land EVERY day. UKRAINE, for the last 5 to 6 days has not been able to stop advances in very strategic places that is imperative for Ukraine to keep. There is no time to spare while they "build up" a force, as you say to stop the Russian onslaught. IF Russia takes DONETSK AND LUHANSK republics then Russia has won. And by all info available as of today it very much looks like that is going to happen, even if russia goes beyond those boundaries and are stopped by Ukraine russia has won this war. You are failing to realize as many are, even world leaders that if Ukraine cannot hold onto those regions NOW. There is no getting them back and a Ukraine that's smaller than Ukraine the day before this invasion started is no Ukraine at all. And the war is lost. Russia will announce they won the war, everythibg will calm down, Ukraine will be smaller and the west's support will come to a stop or close to it. Then it's back to other world problems and elections and the russo-ukraine war will be old news I strongly disagree. Russia was going for a takeover of the entire country and failed. To say they only want Donbas is simply parroting a current Russian talking point they are using to save face. Russia does not have time. It’s the other way around. Attrition favors Ukraine strongly. They are, and will be getting new weapons constantly, while Russia can’t even build their current generation weapons, and are refurbishing very old stock now. A few days of small losses does not mean the war is lost, that’s just not how this works. Russia can declare whatever victory they want, but Ukraine won’t stop fighting. They just wont. This is way past a battle for territory, this is a blood feud amd nothing will satisfy Ukraine until they have back what Russia stole. To even remotely think the war is lost is just absurd.. absolutely absurd. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:43:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: They had to dig deep into the mothballed USSR inventory for those. Next up: cutting edge T-55s tovarish! The T-62 basically is a “cutting edge T-55.” It’s the same basic and contemporary evolution as an M48 Patton/M60. I don’t think there’s been a (Russian) systematic upgrade of them since the mid-80s. A lot of them went up against Abrams and Bradleys in the Gulf War, and it wasn’t pretty 30 years ago, even Bradley vs T-62. I can’t imagine Russia has invested a single kopek on real upgrades on their inventory since then, and certainly not enough in maintenance. It will be a slaughter. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:45:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryBurn ! |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:50:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: The T-62 basically is a “cutting edge T-55.” It’s the same basic and contemporary evolution as an M48 Patton/M60. I don’t think there’s been a (Russian) systematic upgrade of them since the mid-80s. A lot of them went up against Abrams and Bradleys in the Gulf War, and it wasn’t pretty 30 years ago, even Bradley vs T-62. I can’t imagine Russia has invested a single kopek on real upgrades on their inventory since then, and certainly not enough in maintenance. It will be a slaughter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By Balu: They had to dig deep into the mothballed USSR inventory for those. Next up: cutting edge T-55s tovarish! The T-62 basically is a “cutting edge T-55.” It’s the same basic and contemporary evolution as an M48 Patton/M60. I don’t think there’s been a (Russian) systematic upgrade of them since the mid-80s. A lot of them went up against Abrams and Bradleys in the Gulf War, and it wasn’t pretty 30 years ago, even Bradley vs T-62. I can’t imagine Russia has invested a single kopek on real upgrades on their inventory since then, and certainly not enough in maintenance. It will be a slaughter. The Germans upgraded a few T-62s for foreign customers, it was too expensive so they stopped it in the early 2000s. Basically they kept the hull and the turret with the main gun and replaced everything else. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:52:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:54:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: They probably do, as they have been exporting them for years. I’m unsure why they are bringing these into action when they have even more 72s and 80s stockpiled. Could have to do with a parts shortage for them? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Naporter: Probably won't matter much. They won't be in service long before they blow up or suffer some irreparable malfunction. Do the Russians even have spare parts for this relics? They probably do, as they have been exporting them for years. I’m unsure why they are bringing these into action when they have even more 72s and 80s stockpiled. Could have to do with a parts shortage for them? The T62s are what's available right now. It will take months to reactivate their T72s, the T62s were reactivated starting last year and were meant for export. The fact that Russia thinks it's more important to send those to Ukraine instead of getting paid for them is pretty telling. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:56:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I don’t think it will force the Russians to move forces to counter Finland. They probably cannot spare the forces in Ukraine. Whatever their propaganda bullshit they know Finland isn’t going to invade. They just use that as a pretext (as in 1939) to invade others. +1. Whatever strategic force re-alignment the new Nordic Nato members dictate will be a year or years in coming. There are no border tensions or flashpoints in the region. The biggest impact of this for the war in the short and intermediate term is the massive loss of prestige for the Kremlin. It makes their hold on power more tenuous and a coup more likely. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:56:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:56:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/f5AZ2aj.jpg The Russians are moving a shit ton of T-62s into Crimea https://nitter.net/UAWeapons/status/1529404520828133380#m That's almost equivalent to a BMP-3, but the T-62 can't fire atgm's The T-62M CAN fire ATGMs. 9M117 Bastion through the barrel. I forgot about that. That's scraping the bottom of the barrel though with these things.https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pn1yzs/footage_of_russian_t62ms_being_reactivated_in_2021/ Also Russia to Prepare Soviet Era T-62M Tanks to Replenish Reserves Thanks for those, I appreciate it. Even more info Very interesting info, thanks Dracster.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:01:35 PM EDT
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"The first photos of Russian troops from Krasny Liman. The grouping of the Brave continues to squeeze the enemy out of the city, which clings to the railway station. Who has time, runs to the south."
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:02:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "Soldiers of the Allied Forces with anti-drone gun ZALA AERO REX-2" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-25_09-12-52_jpg-2396619.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-25_09-12-53_jpg-2396620.JPG I've heard reports that some of the Switchblade 300 drone attacks were thwarted by jamming, the company that makes them is currently trying to get clearance to have more footage released to the public on other attacks with the system Ukraine has done. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:04:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Those Russian advances have to be plotted on a very small map. When you zoom out to look at the whole country you can’t even see the lines move. They are getting dangerously close to the highway supply lines |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:06:18 PM EDT
[#43]
"The repair base of the RF Armed Forces is somewhere in the Kharkov region. Captured equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is brought here - often it is T-64 and BMP-2. Most of the trophies, according to the military, are brought from the Izyum direction.
One captured "beha" is already serving the Allied Forces, but in a different camouflage and with its new names - Typhoon and Kira."  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:08:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:13:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, I'm wondering how new conscripts are going to be able to maintain these dinosaurs, they couldn't take care of the new ones they were issued very well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By Dracster: The vid gets really good around 1:20 https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/pn1yzs/footage_of_russian_t62ms_being_reactivated_in_2021/ Also Russia to Prepare Soviet Era T-62M Tanks to Replenish Reserves That DID get good Those guys are living in another time. lol, I'm wondering how new conscripts are going to be able to maintain these dinosaurs, they couldn't take care of the new ones they were issued very well. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:14:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: I strongly disagree. Russia was going for a takeover of the entire country and failed. To say they only want Donbas is simply parroting a current Russian talking point they are using to save face. Russia does not have time. It’s the other way around. Attrition favors Ukraine strongly. They are, and will be getting new weapons constantly, while Russia can’t even build their current generation weapons, and are refurbishing very old stock now. A few days of small losses does not mean the war is lost, that’s just not how this works. Russia can declare whatever victory they want, but Ukraine won’t stop fighting. They just wont. This is way past a battle for territory, this is a blood feud amd nothing will satisfy Ukraine until they have back what Russia stole. To even remotely think the war is lost is just absurd.. absolutely absurd. I mean , I get it. The concern is once they’re in they’ll start with the appointed mayors and votes and try to make it theirs. But the thing is, they’re basically flattening the only area of the country where they have support- like in Mariupol, they’ll be able to convince locals that UA did SOME of the shelling, but not all of it. They will lose some of the support of locals just when they now have to try to keep territory, which will already be difficult. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:15:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Russian T-72 defecting to Ukraine https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-25_09-50-32_jpg-2396642.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-25_09-50-33_jpg-2396643.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-25_09-50-31_jpg-2396644.JPG I wonder what the record will be for the vehicle that changes hands the most times. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:19:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I've heard reports that some of the Switchblade 300 drone attacks were thwarted by jamming, the company that makes them is currently trying to get clearance to have more footage released to the public on other attacks with the system Ukraine has done. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dracster: "Soldiers of the Allied Forces with anti-drone gun ZALA AERO REX-2" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-25_09-12-52_jpg-2396619.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-25_09-12-53_jpg-2396620.JPG I've heard reports that some of the Switchblade 300 drone attacks were thwarted by jamming, the company that makes them is currently trying to get clearance to have more footage released to the public on other attacks with the system Ukraine has done. The REX-2 anti-drone gun is equipped with three signal suppression modules for 2.4 GHz and 5.8 GHz frequencies as well as for satellite navigation signal suppression. According to the company, the frequencies can be changed depending on the customer's demand. The REX-2 has a battery life of 3 hours. It also has a battery level indicator. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:26:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: Finland joining NATO will hopefully relieve a lot of pressure from Ukraine. It will force Russia to move a lot of assets to defend the corrador to the northern russian fleet in murmansk. This will result in them having to move some troops and defensive systems. at the very least it might remove the pressure from the belarusian build up allowing Ukraine to move troops and supplies from protecting Kyiv to taking back land in the east. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: Originally Posted By Fallen: I don't think you understand how little land Russia is taking and how many casualties it costs them to take it. At the rate they're taking land they'll have Donetsk and Luhansk secured in another two months or so. Meanwhile Russia is bleeding men and materials at an unsustainable rate. A lot of people say that Russia has switched to fighting a war of attrition but it's not true. Russia is fighting a war of conquest, they have to take territory even if they pay a high cost to do so, which they have been. Ukraine is the one fighting a war of attrition, so far they have avoided large decisive battles, avoided getting trapped in large encirclements, and inflicted far more causalities then they've taken. Yes, they are losing more land area then they've been gaining in the past few weeks but there has been no Russian break through and no sign of one coming soon. Finland joining NATO will hopefully relieve a lot of pressure from Ukraine. It will force Russia to move a lot of assets to defend the corrador to the northern russian fleet in murmansk. This will result in them having to move some troops and defensive systems. at the very least it might remove the pressure from the belarusian build up allowing Ukraine to move troops and supplies from protecting Kyiv to taking back land in the east. Why would Russia do that? They know perfectly well that Finland has no plans to attack them. Russia pretends to be threatened but they know they're not. The only threat to Russia is from Ukraine doing border incursions. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:32:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I would not want to go to war in an T tank but the T-62?! At least it has brass cased ammunition. That might keep some crews alive. Which is bad, in this context. And a human loader instead of an autoloader with all the ammo placed under the crew. T-62s and T-55s really didn't do the turret toss like the T-64/72/80/90 do. |
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