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Originally Posted By Zhukov: It pisses me off to no end every time I see videos like that where the Ukrainians have to destroy their own property (and livestock in this case) to root out the invaders. View Quote Yeah, war is a tragedy. Even when you win you need to lose things and people to do it |
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Originally Posted By Jack67: And people keep saying they don't see how Ukraine can win this. I just don't see how they can lose. Also note the details from the ISW report AT posted above. No first aid training, no medical train. No secure comms, using runners like it's WWI. Amputations on the wounded by the buckets because of no supplies or capable medics. This is not an army that can sustain this kind of strain for very long. The end could come quickly, actually. View Quote I think WWI is an apt comparison. The Russians have proven to be able to suffer great hardship “for the motherland”, but everyone has their limit. We may see a “1917 French Army mutiny” (i.e. refusing to attack but generally otherwise compliant) or we may eventually see outright rebellion amongst various units. I actually think that if anyone overthrows Putin it will be the Army. The Army and KGB/FSB never liked each other, and FSB rule has been a catastrophe for Russia. More specifically, the FSB fucked the Army in Ukraine and I would bet my left arm there is a lot of bad blood over that. I understand not just taking the UA’s word on Russian morale problems. However, there have been enough credible leaks lately from the Russian side that point to this being essentially accurate. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Look at Prime's post of the Russian guy complaining about literal drone swarms and artillery methodically taking out every vehicle they find. Huge casualty rates and no rest, and you get shoe polish and wet toilet paper for your troubles. The Russians are going to have to invade on roller skates if this keeps up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By Prime:
And people keep saying they don't see how Ukraine can win this. I just don't see how they can lose. Also note the details from the ISW report AT posted above. No first aid training, no medical train. No secure comms, using runners like it's WWI. Amputations on the wounded by the buckets because of no supplies or capable medics. This is not an army that can sustain this kind of strain for very long. The end could come quickly, actually. Look at Prime's post of the Russian guy complaining about literal drone swarms and artillery methodically taking out every vehicle they find. Huge casualty rates and no rest, and you get shoe polish and wet toilet paper for your troubles. The Russians are going to have to invade on roller skates if this keeps up. I am curious what the problems and shortcomings the UA are running into on their side that keep them from steamrolling through. Is it lack of ammunition and ordnance? Manpower? |
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Originally Posted By sq40: I am curious what the problems and shortcomings the UA are running into on their side that keep them from steamrolling through. Is it lack of ammunition and ordnance? Manpower? View Quote Lack of robust logistic capability and decades of experience. Lack of combined-arms capabilities and decades of experience. Lack of the ability to deny the enemy intel (specifically aerial recon). It’s hard to make a breakthrough if the enemy always knows what’s coming and where. This is actually a bigger problem for Russia, but it’s still a problem for Ukraine. |
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They need armor, artillery shells, manpower and the command structure to pull it off.
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Originally Posted By SpaceGuy: For everyone saying Ukraine needs to attack. I guess I'm really reading different news sources now other than here. Multiple sources have stated pretty firmly that Ukraine won't attwck yet because their mobilization isn't complete and their training on the best of the western systems isn't done. They don't want to throw their kids into the meat grinder like the Russians are, and they need the logistics train to actually sustain a real offensive, not like what the Russians have done. Most analysts I've read point to July and August when the real party starts and they can push the orcs out of the country. But remember, Russia controls an area about 2/3rds the size of Poland. You aren't gonna capture it quickly, and the Ukrainians don't want to get into a slog like the Russians have View Quote That may be all they're capable of right now but the problem is that while they're mobilizing, Russia is cleansing the populations of occupied areas of Ukrainian identity. It gets worse with every town they cede. UA may take back their territory only to find it pro Russia. In a sense, UA could end up effectively as an occupier trying to repatriate the areas. Who knows how many residents they'll even be able to find who are alive and willing. I don't know the solution to this but just keep in mind that there's some urgency involved beyond delaying and the mobile defense/trading territory. |
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Originally Posted By Zam18th: That may be all they're capable of right now but the problem is that while they're mobilizing, Russia is cleansing the populations of occupied areas of Ukrainian identity. It gets worse with every town they cede. UA may take back their territory only to find it pro Russia. In a sense, UA could end up effectively as an occupier trying to repatriate the areas. Who knows how many residents they'll even be able to find who are alive and willing. I don't know the solution to this but just keep in mind that there's some urgency involved beyond delaying and the mobile defense/trading territory. View Quote The pro-Russian people should go live in Russia. |
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Never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be. - Adm James Stockdale
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Originally Posted By Zam18th:
View Quote On a US strategic level the non sensical closing of that pipeline project just weakens the US for no good reason. Funny old Garry being a chess player and picking up on this. Even if you are a nutjob that wants less oil to be used it make no sense to limit your options to get siad oil that you wil be using. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Ukrainian special forces seem to wear green armbands, regular Ukrainian army wears yellow, Ukrainian territorial defence wears blue. Russia is White, Russian backed units are Red and such. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Hking: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I cant keep up with the color of arm bands...who is wearing red lately? Are those Russian separatists KIA near that truck? Russians have red and white/silver and I think green? Ukraine has been using blue and yellow. Ukrainian special forces seem to wear green armbands, regular Ukrainian army wears yellow, Ukrainian territorial defence wears blue. Russia is White, Russian backed units are Red and such. It's pretty mixed. I've seen separatist forces wearing both colors along with Russian units, and also orange. Similarly, I've seen pictures of TDF, regulars, and such wearing all of the colors. I think they just use whatever tape is available, and orange is probably a substitute for red and green a substitute for blue when they are short on those colors and also white or yellow, respectively. |
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"the science" /duh si-ens/ noun: progressive postmodern religious dogma not based in tested hypothesis or facts used to advance an authoritative political ideology
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Originally Posted By Capta: Lack of robust logistic capability and decades of experience. Lack of combined-arms capabilities and decades of experience. Lack of the ability to deny the enemy intel (specifically aerial recon). It’s hard to make a breakthrough if the enemy always knows what’s coming and where. This is actually a bigger problem for Russia, but it’s still a problem for Ukraine. View Quote Lack of control of the airspace and an air force to interdict is a big issue. If they had those two things they'd be able to roll up the Russians. |
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Turns out the video of the BTR82 getting hit resulted in the death of Bisultanov, some high ranking kadyrovite.
And it was a British MP's son that did it. ?? Ukraine War - Ukrainian Foreign Legion Fighters RGW-90 Ambush On Russian BTR | Helmet Cam Hero. |
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Originally Posted By fadedsun: Turns out the video of the BTR82 getting hit resulted in the death of Bisultanov, some high ranking kadyrovite. And it was a British MP's son that did it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scwCGABmRo4 Hero. View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By fadedsun: Turns out the video of the BTR82 getting hit resulted in the death of Bisultanov, some high ranking kadyrovite. And it was a British MP's son that did it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scwCGABmRo4 Hero. View Quote There was a video posted of him leading a bunch of guys after a firefight. Dude’s gettin’ shit done. |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
“Today, over the Odessa region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot down an enemy reconnaissance and strike UAV "Forpost".
The Rashist "bird" fell into the Black Sea, the OK "Pivden" reported. A drone of this type costs more than $7 million.” https://t.me/truexanewsua/49514 |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
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Originally Posted By nomansland: I second that - thanks CharlieR, much appreciated. I ordered the books R0N listed as well. I would appreciate any recommendations on operational level of war a well (especially from a modeling standpoint). I keep thinking of the gun range and speed of movement of these artillery pieces, along with associated logistics of the volume and weight of rds to achieve a desired effect and how to best model that out (FDC had some good comments earlier about the counterbattery - made me wonder if maybe Ukraine was limited in getting logistics of shells to their front or just spread out with the resources of guns was causing the lack of concentrated fire). You really start to see the power of effective aircraft if they are able to deliver accurate CAS and suppresss air defense as one would think the F35 could do - the range and speed aircraft operate would be able to attack and mass at so many different areas of the battlefield (my impression is the air defense on both sides is precluding air power from being that effective - though I'm not seeing reports of Russian sortie rates we were getting earlier in the war to confirm). View Quote I am a big fan of Eric Bergerud, who wrote a great book on the South Pacific that talks about the American way of war. The single coolest book out there is called "Steel Wind" it is the biography of Erich Bruchmuller, who was an artillery genius that pioneered how the Germans used Artillery at Riga in 1917 and later the 1918 offensives. Its really cool how this tactical genius came out of nowhere and solved problems. "The AEF Way of War" by Mark E. Grotelueschen describes how the US Army basically blew off Pershing and his rifleman-centirc view of combat to become a firepower centric/artillery oriented force. Excellent. That being said, what I recommend is this: The US Army commissioned a series called "Large Scale Combat Operations" a few years ago, and the book on lethal and non lethal fires is a really well done set of vignettes. It has nine vignettes on operational level fires. Cambrai and Vimy Ridge were really well done, as were a few others. It is free, and right here: https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/combat-studies-institute/csi-books/lethal-and-non-lethal-fires-lsco-volume-3.pdf There are also some nice book on combined arms maneuver and deep operations, including some Soviets vignettes. They are quick reads, and free. here |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
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Originally Posted By Prime: “Today, over the Odessa region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot down an enemy reconnaissance and strike UAV "Forpost". The Rashist "bird" fell into the Black Sea, the OK "Pivden" reported. A drone of this type costs more than $7 million.” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/2DE4E560-E690-41B6-986A-6EA927CEC36B-2406941.jpg https://t.me/truexanewsua/49514 View Quote Tech from the 1980s built in the 2020s. |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
Interrogation of a UA wounded.
“Interrogation of dill: In the ATO - was not. In the army - did not serve. Didn't go to landfills. I never shot, and in general I was not going to fight ... Russia is fine. As always, I don’t know anything, I didn’t fight. And if the form of interrogation is changed? They will start talking like that, the tongue will hurt.”
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
Originally Posted By Kingsmen: Yeah, war is a tragedy. Even when you win you need to lose things and people to do it View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kingsmen: Originally Posted By Zhukov: It pisses me off to no end every time I see videos like that where the Ukrainians have to destroy their own property (and livestock in this case) to root out the invaders. Yeah, war is a tragedy. Even when you win you need to lose things and people to do it I remember reading on Ernie's house of whoopass around 4th of July a few American nobles that had their houses taken out on their own accord because the British were garrisoned there. They ended up dieing poor but free men. |
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Fighting in Severodonetsk
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
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Kitties!
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World ain't what it seems, is it Gunny?
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Originally Posted By CharlieR: I am a big fan of Eric Bergerud, who wrote a great book on the South Pacific that talks about the American way of war. The single coolest book out there is called "Steel Rain," it is the biography of Erich Bruchmuller, who was an artillery genius that pioneered how the Germans used Artillery at Riga in 1917 and later the 1918 offensives. Its really cool how this tactical genius came out of nowhere and solved problems. "The AEF Way of War" by Mark E. Grotelueschen describes how the US Army basically blew off Pershing and his rifleman-centirc view of combat to become a firepower centric/artillery oriented force. Excellent. That being said, what I recommend is this: The US Army commissioned a series called "Large Scale Combat Operations" a few years ago, and the book on lethal and non lethal fires is a really well done set of vignettes. It has nine vignettes on operational level fires. Cambrai and Vimy Ridge were really well done, as were a few others. It is free, and right here: https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/combat-studies-institute/csi-books/lethal-and-non-lethal-fires-lsco-volume-3.pdf There are also some nice book on combined arms maneuver and deep operations, including some Soviets vignettes. They are quick reads, and free. here View Quote Those are some great resources, thanks! |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
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Originally Posted By CharlieR: I am a big fan of Eric Bergerud, who wrote a great book on the South Pacific that talks about the American way of war. The single coolest book out there is called "Steel Rain," it is the biography of Erich Bruchmuller, who was an artillery genius that pioneered how the Germans used Artillery at Riga in 1917 and later the 1918 offensives. Its really cool how this tactical genius came out of nowhere and solved problems. "The AEF Way of War" by Mark E. Grotelueschen describes how the US Army basically blew off Pershing and his rifleman-centirc view of combat to become a firepower centric/artillery oriented force. Excellent. That being said, what I recommend is this: The US Army commissioned a series called "Large Scale Combat Operations" a few years ago, and the book on lethal and non lethal fires is a really well done set of vignettes. It has nine vignettes on operational level fires. Cambrai and Vimy Ridge were really well done, as were a few others. It is free, and right here: https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/combat-studies-institute/csi-books/lethal-and-non-lethal-fires-lsco-volume-3.pdf There are also some nice book on combined arms maneuver and deep operations, including some Soviets vignettes. They are quick reads, and free. here View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By nomansland: I second that - thanks CharlieR, much appreciated. I ordered the books R0N listed as well. I would appreciate any recommendations on operational level of war a well (especially from a modeling standpoint). I keep thinking of the gun range and speed of movement of these artillery pieces, along with associated logistics of the volume and weight of rds to achieve a desired effect and how to best model that out (FDC had some good comments earlier about the counterbattery - made me wonder if maybe Ukraine was limited in getting logistics of shells to their front or just spread out with the resources of guns was causing the lack of concentrated fire). You really start to see the power of effective aircraft if they are able to deliver accurate CAS and suppresss air defense as one would think the F35 could do - the range and speed aircraft operate would be able to attack and mass at so many different areas of the battlefield (my impression is the air defense on both sides is precluding air power from being that effective - though I'm not seeing reports of Russian sortie rates we were getting earlier in the war to confirm). I am a big fan of Eric Bergerud, who wrote a great book on the South Pacific that talks about the American way of war. The single coolest book out there is called "Steel Rain," it is the biography of Erich Bruchmuller, who was an artillery genius that pioneered how the Germans used Artillery at Riga in 1917 and later the 1918 offensives. Its really cool how this tactical genius came out of nowhere and solved problems. "The AEF Way of War" by Mark E. Grotelueschen describes how the US Army basically blew off Pershing and his rifleman-centirc view of combat to become a firepower centric/artillery oriented force. Excellent. That being said, what I recommend is this: The US Army commissioned a series called "Large Scale Combat Operations" a few years ago, and the book on lethal and non lethal fires is a really well done set of vignettes. It has nine vignettes on operational level fires. Cambrai and Vimy Ridge were really well done, as were a few others. It is free, and right here: https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/combat-studies-institute/csi-books/lethal-and-non-lethal-fires-lsco-volume-3.pdf There are also some nice book on combined arms maneuver and deep operations, including some Soviets vignettes. They are quick reads, and free. here The Bruchmuller book is the “Steel Wind” |
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In the real world off-campus, good marksmanship trumps good will.
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My apologies to James Valdez who I questioned whether he was a full combat soldier or in a rear echelon position here in this thread. I watched the interview on Speak the Truth and some of the footage he provided. There's no doubt now, but you have to admit some of the videos he posted are kind of hokey.
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Originally Posted By Prime: “Today, over the Odessa region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot down an enemy reconnaissance and strike UAV "Forpost". The Rashist "bird" fell into the Black Sea, the OK "Pivden" reported. A drone of this type costs more than $7 million.” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/2DE4E560-E690-41B6-986A-6EA927CEC36B-2406941.jpg https://t.me/truexanewsua/49514 View Quote That thing looks like a couple of maytags with a telephone pole stuffed through them. |
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Originally Posted By Prime: Fighting in Severodonetsk
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"He should have killed me. I would have killed me."
For God and Country: Geronimo! Geronimo! Geronimo! Michael Moore: Trump’s election is going to be the biggest Fuck You ever recorded in human history….And it will feel good. |
Deckard “nobody wants to know the truth, nobody” Cobra Kai Johnny Lawrence “she’s hot and all those other things” Tucker Carlson 1/10/2018 “I used to be a liberatarian until Google”https://mobile.twitter.com/Henry_Gunn
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Originally Posted By lorazepam: Kitties!
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"We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared so we may always be free." Ronald Reagan 1984
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Originally Posted By FG24U: My brother was in both Ukraine and Poland for the last week. He does relief work. He had just got back from Bulgaria a few days before he left. So, there were plans being made while he was gone. He says one of his coworkers tells him that among other things they’re bringing a bunch of “bullet proof vests”. My brother is like “huh”? Coworker goes and grabs a few big duffel bags that supposedly had 50 vests in them. My brother is in the know and thinking there’s no way this guy is carrying 50 “bulletproof vests” and it obviously turns out to be a bunch of carriers. Immediately gets concerned and gets in contact with their contact in Ukraine. The Ukrainian contact chuckles at him and tells him not to worry. This is exactly what we need. They arrive in Ukraine, meet the contact at some facility and guy takes my brother through some building while asking if he’s seen these tractor videos of them pulling tanks. “What do you think we do with these tanks?” They make it into a shop where he sees a bunch of 16-22yo kids cannibalizing a half dozen tanks. They’re cutting up armor for plate carriers…with oxyacetylene. My brother tries to explain to them showing them his own set-up. They didn’t care. Better than nothing I guess. He had a ton of heartbreaking shit to say. Thought I’d share something a little more light hearted. If you see some “come and take it” morale patches on Ukrainian soldiers you know where they came from. I’ll add that my brother said the Pols are not half helping. Everyone has Ukrainians living with them. People genuinely trying to help. Reminded him of right after 9/11 for lack of a better analogy. Apparently, the Russians are under order to rape their way through the country. Horrible, horrible stories from the refugees (all women/children). View Quote Very interesting. Thank you. |
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Originally Posted By Beltfed308: That thing looks like a couple of maytags with a telephone pole stuffed through them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Beltfed308: Originally Posted By Prime: “Today, over the Odessa region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot down an enemy reconnaissance and strike UAV "Forpost". The Rashist "bird" fell into the Black Sea, the OK "Pivden" reported. A drone of this type costs more than $7 million.” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/2DE4E560-E690-41B6-986A-6EA927CEC36B-2406941.jpg https://t.me/truexanewsua/49514 That thing looks like a couple of maytags with a telephone pole stuffed through them. That’s a radar recon drone. I bet they’re looking for those drone ships we sent. |
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Originally Posted By lorazepam: Kitties!
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Daddy loves you. Now go away.
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These guys know how to party.
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Originally Posted By Prime: “Today, over the Odessa region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot down an enemy reconnaissance and strike UAV "Forpost". The Rashist "bird" fell into the Black Sea, the OK "Pivden" reported. A drone of this type costs more than $7 million.” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/2DE4E560-E690-41B6-986A-6EA927CEC36B-2406941.jpg https://t.me/truexanewsua/49514 View Quote Having designed, built, and flown a number of vehicles over the years, I can state with some authority that is one ugly aircraft. It's good the UA shot it down as it was stinking up the sky. |
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Originally Posted By CharlieR: I am a big fan of Eric Bergerud, who wrote a great book on the South Pacific that talks about the American way of war. The single coolest book out there is called "Steel Wind" it is the biography of Erich Bruchmuller, who was an artillery genius that pioneered how the Germans used Artillery at Riga in 1917 and later the 1918 offensives. Its really cool how this tactical genius came out of nowhere and solved problems. "The AEF Way of War" by Mark E. Grotelueschen describes how the US Army basically blew off Pershing and his rifleman-centirc view of combat to become a firepower centric/artillery oriented force. Excellent. That being said, what I recommend is this: The US Army commissioned a series called "Large Scale Combat Operations" a few years ago, and the book on lethal and non lethal fires is a really well done set of vignettes. It has nine vignettes on operational level fires. Cambrai and Vimy Ridge were really well done, as were a few others. It is free, and right here: https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/combat-studies-institute/csi-books/lethal-and-non-lethal-fires-lsco-volume-3.pdf There are also some nice book on combined arms maneuver and deep operations, including some Soviets vignettes. They are quick reads, and free. here View Quote Boy, there’s a lot of good stuff there. Downloaded that arty volume already. Thanks. |
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First map I’ve seen showing locations of most of Ukrainian units. https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-ill-fated-invasion-ukraine-lessons-modern-warfare |
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Slava Ukraine, Slava Nacii
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Originally Posted By iggy1337: On a US strategic level the non sensical closing of that pipeline project just weakens the US for no good reason. Funny old Garry being a chess player and picking up on this. Even if you are a nutjob that wants less oil to be used it make no sense to limit your options to get siad oil that you wil be using. View Quote That pipeline was not significant, what was significant was the very clear "we're coming to get you" message. The US government has been weaponized against energy production by watermelons (green on the outside, red in the middle) |
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