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Posted: 7/29/2022 8:05:20 PM EST
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ISW assessment for July 29th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-29 |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 8:12:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: You are completely correct from what I have understood and been taught, and from conversations with Russian specialists and Russians, too. I think one of the most succinct explanations of the Russian government's thought process is to read George Kennan's famous "Long Telegram" from early 1946, which he wired from the Moscow embassy back to Foggy Bottom in response to a question about weird Soviet actions. It spread like wildfire through Washington at the time, and was expanded and polished and published as the also-famous "X Article" in Foreign Affairs later in 1947. ("X" since it was anonymously published, he being a serving senior State Dept. officer at the time). It is as relevant today as then, and would equally have applied 100 years earlier than 1945. It is the germ that became the Cold War containment policy, though that was not entirely what he wanted to see personally. Just the first sections I and II cover the background and are all that need to be read, not more than 10 or so minutes. I've read this again about every five years for the last 20 years and frankly, everything Russia does makes perfect sense to me within Kennan's framework. It is available here in the NSA digital archives: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/kennan.htm Some quotes (Just substitute 'Russia' for 'Soviet' and 'West' for 'Capitalist': Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: I would argue that Russia never was "sane," at least in a Western European sense of the word. The Russians never quite experienced the enlightenment reforms in the same way Western Europe did. There were some small reforms .... You are completely correct from what I have understood and been taught, and from conversations with Russian specialists and Russians, too. I think one of the most succinct explanations of the Russian government's thought process is to read George Kennan's famous "Long Telegram" from early 1946, which he wired from the Moscow embassy back to Foggy Bottom in response to a question about weird Soviet actions. It spread like wildfire through Washington at the time, and was expanded and polished and published as the also-famous "X Article" in Foreign Affairs later in 1947. ("X" since it was anonymously published, he being a serving senior State Dept. officer at the time). It is as relevant today as then, and would equally have applied 100 years earlier than 1945. It is the germ that became the Cold War containment policy, though that was not entirely what he wanted to see personally. Just the first sections I and II cover the background and are all that need to be read, not more than 10 or so minutes. I've read this again about every five years for the last 20 years and frankly, everything Russia does makes perfect sense to me within Kennan's framework. It is available here in the NSA digital archives: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/kennan.htm Some quotes (Just substitute 'Russia' for 'Soviet' and 'West' for 'Capitalist': Everything must be done to advance relative strength of USSR as factor in international society. Conversely, no opportunity most be missed to reduce strength and influence, collectively as well as individually, of capitalist powers. "Democratic-progressive" elements abroad are to be utilized to maximum to bring pressure to bear on capitalist governments along lines agreeable to Soviet interests. (Russian Gov't. policy ) does not represent natural outlook of Russian people. Latter are, by and large, friendly to outside world, eager for experience of it, eager to measure against it talents they are conscious of possessing, eager above all to live in peace and enjoy fruits of their own labor. Party line only represents thesis which official propaganda machine puts forward with great skill and persistence to a public all these theses, however baseless and disproven, are being boldly put forward again today. What does this indicate? It indicates that Soviet party line is not based on any objective analysis of situation beyond Russia's borders; At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. Thanks for the confirmation. I’m just someone who half-assed my way to a BA in history. 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 8:14:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: You are completely correct from what I have understood and been taught, and from conversations with Russian specialists and Russians, too. I think one of the most succinct explanations of the Russian government's thought process is to read George Kennan's famous "Long Telegram" from early 1946, which he wired from the Moscow embassy back to Foggy Bottom in response to a question about weird Soviet actions. It spread like wildfire through Washington at the time, and was expanded and polished and published as the also-famous "X Article" in Foreign Affairs later in 1947. ("X" since it was anonymously published, he being a serving senior State Dept. officer at the time). It is as relevant today as then, and would equally have applied 100 years earlier than 1945. It is the germ that became the Cold War containment policy, though that was not entirely what he wanted to see personally. Just the first sections I and II cover the background and are all that need to be read, not more than 10 or so minutes. I've read this again about every five years for the last 20 years and frankly, everything Russia does makes perfect sense to me within Kennan's framework. It is available here in the NSA digital archives: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/kennan.htm Some quotes (Just substitute 'Russia' for 'Soviet' and 'West' for 'Capitalist': Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: I would argue that Russia never was "sane," at least in a Western European sense of the word. The Russians never quite experienced the enlightenment reforms in the same way Western Europe did. There were some small reforms .... You are completely correct from what I have understood and been taught, and from conversations with Russian specialists and Russians, too. I think one of the most succinct explanations of the Russian government's thought process is to read George Kennan's famous "Long Telegram" from early 1946, which he wired from the Moscow embassy back to Foggy Bottom in response to a question about weird Soviet actions. It spread like wildfire through Washington at the time, and was expanded and polished and published as the also-famous "X Article" in Foreign Affairs later in 1947. ("X" since it was anonymously published, he being a serving senior State Dept. officer at the time). It is as relevant today as then, and would equally have applied 100 years earlier than 1945. It is the germ that became the Cold War containment policy, though that was not entirely what he wanted to see personally. Just the first sections I and II cover the background and are all that need to be read, not more than 10 or so minutes. I've read this again about every five years for the last 20 years and frankly, everything Russia does makes perfect sense to me within Kennan's framework. It is available here in the NSA digital archives: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/kennan.htm Some quotes (Just substitute 'Russia' for 'Soviet' and 'West' for 'Capitalist': Everything must be done to advance relative strength of USSR as factor in international society. Conversely, no opportunity most be missed to reduce strength and influence, collectively as well as individually, of capitalist powers. "Democratic-progressive" elements abroad are to be utilized to maximum to bring pressure to bear on capitalist governments along lines agreeable to Soviet interests. (Russian Gov't. policy ) does not represent natural outlook of Russian people. Latter are, by and large, friendly to outside world, eager for experience of it, eager to measure against it talents they are conscious of possessing, eager above all to live in peace and enjoy fruits of their own labor. Party line only represents thesis which official propaganda machine puts forward with great skill and persistence to a public all these theses, however baseless and disproven, are being boldly put forward again today. What does this indicate? It indicates that Soviet party line is not based on any objective analysis of situation beyond Russia's borders; At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. Thanks for this Jack67, I never got the chance to read this. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 8:25:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: They don't have enough M142/M270 systems to be able to adequately service every type of target right now. So they are wisely making the destruction of Russia's logistics the primary task. The Russians can't fight if they have no ammunition, no fuel and nothing to eat. But now that Ukraine has HIMARS/MLRS to hit these more strategic targets, it frees up their tube artillery and less accurate Soviet rocket artillery systems to go after troop concentrations nearer the front. All I want is one rocket. One rocket. Nail a barracks full of VDV. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 8:26:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Billy_Ringo: This may be crazy talk, but at this point the Russians seem to have gone off the deep end: Is it possible that the Russians have taken extreme measures vs. Ukrainian POWs to try and motivate their own soldiers to not surrender and fight harder? Knowing what may await them if they give up or are captured? I simply can't think of any explanation as to their recent actions. I think you are seeing what happens when undertrained soldiers who were raised in a brutal/shit culture by shit rulers start to get the idea that they are in real trouble and act out in frustration. This kind of thing happens in the wars in the african countries. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 8:32:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: ERNURSE]
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/uk-mercs-executed#
I hope and pray this isnt true, consider the source, but I wouldnt put anything past the Orcs Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 9:00:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Thanks for the confirmation. I’m just someone who half-assed my way to a BA in history. I had a BA in history, but not European. I dated a woman for four/five years who was a Russian specialist from the Georgetown School of Foreign Service. Then I dated a Russian woman for even longer. So I got like a PhD in this. (joke) 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 9:04:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ERNURSE: https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/uk-mercs-executed# I hope and pray this isnt true, consider the source, but I wouldnt put anything past the Orcs Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner. Orcs have been saying all along that members of the Ukraine foreign legion would be considered mercenary criminals from other countries. Their own blatant hypocrisy is on display for the entire world but they don't care. Apparently they figure they are going to do whatever they fuck they are not physically prevented from doing. As they tell their citizens they are being picked on by other countries. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 9:43:36 PM EST
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The Killing and torture of UA prisoners of war is planned by Russia at the top. The goal is make UA so angry that they will stop taking Russians prisoners. When the word gets out to the average Russian soldier that UA no longer takes prisoners, they will know then that surrender to UA is no longer an option. Therefore they can either choose to die to continue to fight to the last man and last piece of ammo. This is the way that Russia wants it.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 9:46:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Orcs have been saying all along that members of the Ukraine foreign legion would be considered mercenary criminals from other countries. Their own blatant hypocrisy is on display for the entire world but they don't care. Apparently they figure they are going to do whatever they fuck they are not physically prevented from doing. As they tell their citizens they are being picked on by other countries. Now apply that to Wagner and Ukrainian conscripts in occupied areas. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 9:52:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Now apply that to Wagner and Ukrainian conscripts in occupied areas. The russians will stop when somebody puts a bullet in them. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 9:53:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: All I want is one rocket. One rocket. Nail a barracks full of VDV. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: They don't have enough M142/M270 systems to be able to adequately service every type of target right now. So they are wisely making the destruction of Russia's logistics the primary task. The Russians can't fight if they have no ammunition, no fuel and nothing to eat. But now that Ukraine has HIMARS/MLRS to hit these more strategic targets, it frees up their tube artillery and less accurate Soviet rocket artillery systems to go after troop concentrations nearer the front. All I want is one rocket. One rocket. Nail a barracks full of VDV. I almost feel they are purposely avoiding stuff like that. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 9:54:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ERNURSE: https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/uk-mercs-executed# I hope and pray this isnt true, consider the source, but I wouldnt put anything past the Orcs Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner. I hope not, but given what we've heard about other prisoners, this sounds likely. The UK should declare it a "provocation" and: a) Have all Russian diplomatic personnel in-country on a sh**ty IL-76 back to Moscow within 48 hours. Maybe it will crash. b) Seize the embassy, raze it, and build a beautiful memorial to victims of Russian massacres - Katyn Forest, Volga Germans, Bucha, etc. - right there on Bayswater Road near Hyde Park. c) Freeze any remaining assets, revoke visas of any other citizens in the country who are not refugees or seeking asylum. d) Round up the known other spies and illegals (they are there, and some quietly known and monitored) and put them on trial for espionage, then hang them. Then the US should follow suit in sympathy. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 9:58:32 PM EST
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The Russian volunteer legion "Freedom for Russia" fighting on the side of Ukraine has now grown to 2 battalions. What started in March with a few Russian officers who became prisoners of war in #Ukraina has now grown into a powerful growing unit fighting for another Russia
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Posted: 7/29/2022 10:09:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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❗️Pervomaisk, Lugansk region.
Accurate blow to the BC warehouse. https://t.me/box_of_pandora/20352 Russian social media- explosions in Enerdohar, Zaporizhzhia  We ended up in a hotel where Russian soldiers lived. Shooting, detonation of ammunition. City center.
The occupiers drive the surviving equipment from the hotel to the police station after the attack. This is a few meters from the cotton. Energy chat https://t.me/printerfort/1784 |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 10:12:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Billy_Ringo: This may be crazy talk, but at this point the Russians seem to have gone off the deep end: Is it possible that the Russians have taken extreme measures vs. Ukrainian POWs to try and motivate their own soldiers to not surrender and fight harder? Knowing what may await them if they give up or are captured? I simply can't think of any explanation as to their recent actions. This is why they may have done it, usually she’s very accurate, but at the end of the day it’s a daily blog about the war and not a verified news site. “Russian fascists killed at least 50 prisoners of war, including those who came out of Azovstal factory, in a concentration camp in Olenivka, occupied part of Donetsk region. Naturally, Russia alleged Ukraine of a HIMARS attack. The safety of these people until exchange was guaranteed by the UN and Red Cross. OSINT specialists, Ukrainian intelligence and sources within the enemy already suggest the truth about what happened there. The UN and Red Cross didn't manage the situation and didn't check the prison for more than a month. Ukrainian POWs were constantly tortured, money for their upkeep stolen by paramilitary company Vagner Group. After Vagner officers learned about the intention of Russian military commandment to visit the premises and check why funds disappear so quickly, the fascists killed all POWs and planted a thermobaric bomb in an attempt to sweep the trails. The United Nations and Red Cross have once more proven incapable of performing an elementary task for just a couple of weeks. Russians proved themselves completely inhumane and barbaric once more.” |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 10:33:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: This is why they may have done it, usually she’s very accurate, but at the end of the day it’s a daily blog about the war and not a verified news site. “Russian fascists killed at least 50 prisoners of war, including those who came out of Azovstal factory, in a concentration camp in Olenivka, occupied part of Donetsk region. Naturally, Russia alleged Ukraine of a HIMARS attack. The safety of these people until exchange was guaranteed by the UN and Red Cross. OSINT specialists, Ukrainian intelligence and sources within the enemy already suggest the truth about what happened there. The UN and Red Cross didn't manage the situation and didn't check the prison for more than a month. Ukrainian POWs were constantly tortured, money for their upkeep stolen by paramilitary company Vagner Group. After Vagner officers learned about the intention of Russian military commandment to visit the premises and check why funds disappear so quickly, the fascists killed all POWs and planted a thermobaric bomb in an attempt to sweep the trails. The United Nations and Red Cross have once more proven incapable of performing an elementary task for just a couple of weeks. Russians proved themselves completely inhumane and barbaric once more.” That’s the UA Defense Ministry’s take. https://gur.gov.ua/content/vbyvstvo-ukrainskykh-zakhysnykiv-v-olenivtsi-svidomyi-akt-teroryzmu-ukraina-vymahaie-nehainoho-rozsliduvannia-obstavyn-i-prychyn-smerti-nashykh-heroiv.html The killing of Ukrainian Defenders in Olenivka is a deliberate act of terrorism. Ukraine demands an immediate investigation into the circumstances and causes of the death of our Heroes On July 28, a powerful explosion took place on the territory of the former correctional colony No. 120 in the city of Olenivka in the temporarily occupied territory of the Donetsk region, which is currently used as a place of detention for Ukrainian prisoners of war. As a result of the explosion, the premises where the captured Ukrainians were located was destroyed. According to Russian sources, about 40 Ukrainians were killed, the number of wounded - to be determined. The explosions took place on the territory of the industrial zone in a newly built building that was supposed to be specially equipped to hold prisoners taken out of Azovstal. The equipment of the building was completed 2 days ago, after which part of the detained Ukrainian Defenders were transferred to it. We emphasize that the explosions in Olenivka, which led to the death of the Ukrainian Defenders, are a deliberate provocation and an undeniable act of terrorism by the occupying forces. According to available information, it was carried out by mercenaries from the Wagner (League) PMC under the personal command of the nominal owner of the specified PMC - Yevhen Prigozhin. The organization and implementation of the terrorist attack were not coordinated with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The main purpose of the terrorist attack was to hide the facts of total embezzlement of funds allocated for the maintenance of Ukrainian prisoners of war. It is known that on August 1, a commission from Moscow was supposed to arrive at the "object" to check the expenditure of allocated funds and the conditions of detention of prisoners. Since the real condition of the building and the conditions of keeping prisoners in it did not meet the requirements of the Russian leadership, the "problem" was solved by destroying the premises, together with the Ukrainians housed in it. Another purpose of the provocation is to increase social tension in Ukraine. Given the great public interest in the fate of the Heroes of Azovstal, according to the authors of the scenario of the terrorist attack, the death of the Defenders should lead to an increase in social tension in Ukraine. The head of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Kyrylo Budanov, emphasizes: "In order to find out the real circumstances of the terrorist attack and prevent a similar incident in the future, I call on all international institutions to express a tough position regarding the events in Olenivka. The International Movement of the Red Cross and Red Crescent, which is one of the guarantors of the safety and proper maintenance of Ukrainian prisoners of war, should give a proper assessment of the events and make efforts to find out the real circumstances and reasons for the killing of the Ukrainian Defenders. Ukraine demands the immediate admission of representatives of Ukraine to the scene of events to study the situation and control the conditions of detention of captured Ukrainian defenders. I also emphasize the need to conduct detailed monitoring of the conditions of detention of Ukrainian prisoners and guarantee the preservation of their lives and health." |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 10:37:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Thanks for this Jack67, I never got the chance to read this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: I would argue that Russia never was "sane," at least in a Western European sense of the word. The Russians never quite experienced the enlightenment reforms in the same way Western Europe did. There were some small reforms .... You are completely correct from what I have understood and been taught, and from conversations with Russian specialists and Russians, too. I think one of the most succinct explanations of the Russian government's thought process is to read George Kennan's famous "Long Telegram" from early 1946, which he wired from the Moscow embassy back to Foggy Bottom in response to a question about weird Soviet actions. It spread like wildfire through Washington at the time, and was expanded and polished and published as the also-famous "X Article" in Foreign Affairs later in 1947. ("X" since it was anonymously published, he being a serving senior State Dept. officer at the time). It is as relevant today as then, and would equally have applied 100 years earlier than 1945. It is the germ that became the Cold War containment policy, though that was not entirely what he wanted to see personally. Just the first sections I and II cover the background and are all that need to be read, not more than 10 or so minutes. I've read this again about every five years for the last 20 years and frankly, everything Russia does makes perfect sense to me within Kennan's framework. It is available here in the NSA digital archives: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/kennan.htm Some quotes (Just substitute 'Russia' for 'Soviet' and 'West' for 'Capitalist': Everything must be done to advance relative strength of USSR as factor in international society. Conversely, no opportunity most be missed to reduce strength and influence, collectively as well as individually, of capitalist powers. "Democratic-progressive" elements abroad are to be utilized to maximum to bring pressure to bear on capitalist governments along lines agreeable to Soviet interests. (Russian Gov't. policy ) does not represent natural outlook of Russian people. Latter are, by and large, friendly to outside world, eager for experience of it, eager to measure against it talents they are conscious of possessing, eager above all to live in peace and enjoy fruits of their own labor. Party line only represents thesis which official propaganda machine puts forward with great skill and persistence to a public all these theses, however baseless and disproven, are being boldly put forward again today. What does this indicate? It indicates that Soviet party line is not based on any objective analysis of situation beyond Russia's borders; At bottom of Kremlin's neurotic view of world affairs is traditional and instinctive Russian sense of insecurity. Originally, this was insecurity of a peaceful agricultural people trying to live on vast exposed plain in neighborhood of fierce nomadic peoples. To this was added, as Russia came into contact with economically advanced West, fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies in that area. Thanks for this Jack67, I never got the chance to read this. The book is mandatory or WAS mandatory reading when I was in ROTC. Good book on their thought process. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 10:47:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ERNURSE: https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/uk-mercs-executed# I hope and pray this isnt true, consider the source, but I wouldnt put anything past the Orcs Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 10:52:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: The book is mandatory or WAS mandatory reading when I was in ROTC. Good book on their thought process. I guess if it's off the list, it's time to put it back on, sadly. The longer/reworked 'X Article' was released in booklet/pamphlet form and called "Sources of Soviet Conduct" and I think that's what Jozsi is referring to: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21401233-the-sources-of-soviet-conduct |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:06:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Explain, please. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:10:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Explain, please. I am guessing the stupid games is fighting for Ukraine. Edgy |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:11:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Originally Posted By ERNURSE: https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/uk-mercs-executed# I hope and pray this isnt true, consider the source, but I wouldnt put anything past the Orcs Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. they were soldiers of Ukraine military, not mercs |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:23:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: I am guessing the stupid games is fighting for Ukraine. Edgy Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By Prime: Explain, please. I am guessing the stupid games is fighting for Ukraine. Edgy Yeah, he's one of the drive by trolls that frequents the thread every so often. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:24:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: they were soldiers of Ukraine military, not mercs I expect he means he finds it stupid to risk your life by joining a military and fighting for a cause you believe in, when you don't have to. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:36:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: Gelandewagen]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I expect he means he finds it stupid to risk your life by joining a military and fighting for a cause you believe in, when you don't have to. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By AROKIE: they were soldiers of Ukraine military, not mercs I expect he means he finds it stupid to risk your life by joining a military and fighting for a cause you believe in, when you don't have to. It's stupid to be posting all over social media calling the Russians Orks, accusing them of war crimes and being the big bad Red Army... Then join the modern reenactment of the Eastern Front... Then get captured.. Then act shocked that they do Red Army War Criminal Ork shit.... That's like volunteering to help the Kurds and being shocked Pikachu when ISIS cuts your head off. As for England or the US to give a shit - why? He volunteered to go fight for another country in a shit show - and it turned out to be a shit show. His fellow Ukrainians are meeting the same fait. He's not special just because he's a foreigner. He should have known by trying to be a propaganda piece to get Western support he'd also be a negative propaganda piece if captured. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:40:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Yeah, he's one of the drive by trolls that frequents the thread every so often. I read frequently and only respond occasionally. At least I'm not crying about Biolabs and other asinine shit. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:52:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: ... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Yeah, he's one of the drive by trolls that frequents the thread every so often. ... I'm sorry, I couldn't understand you. You shouldn't talk with your mouth full.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 12:00:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: It's stupid to be posting all over social media calling the Russians Orks, accusing them of war crimes and being the big bad Red Army... Then join the modern reenactment of the Eastern Front... Then get captured.. Then act shocked that they do Red Army War Criminal Ork shit.... That's like volunteering to help the Kurds and being shocked Pikachu when ISIS cuts your head off. As for England or the US to give a shit - why? He volunteered to go fight for another country in a shit show - and it turned out to be a shit show. His fellow Ukrainians are meeting the same fait. He's not special just because he's a foreigner. He should have known by trying to be a propaganda piece to get Western support he'd also be a negative propaganda piece if captured. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By AROKIE: they were soldiers of Ukraine military, not mercs I expect he means he finds it stupid to risk your life by joining a military and fighting for a cause you believe in, when you don't have to. It's stupid to be posting all over social media calling the Russians Orks, accusing them of war crimes and being the big bad Red Army... Then join the modern reenactment of the Eastern Front... Then get captured.. Then act shocked that they do Red Army War Criminal Ork shit.... That's like volunteering to help the Kurds and being shocked Pikachu when ISIS cuts your head off. As for England or the US to give a shit - why? He volunteered to go fight for another country in a shit show - and it turned out to be a shit show. His fellow Ukrainians are meeting the same fait. He's not special just because he's a foreigner. He should have known by trying to be a propaganda piece to get Western support he'd also be a negative propaganda piece if captured. he was a ukrainian citizen married to a ukrainian and was enlisted with the Ukrainian Marines. he also did fight with the kurds against isis. he has strong beliefs, and i applaud him for that instead of being some edgelord chicken shit behind a keyboard saying extremely cowardly and dumb shit like "play stupid game, prizes" |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 12:09:33 AM EST
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Posted: 7/30/2022 12:30:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: It's stupid to be posting all over social media calling the Russians Orks, accusing them of war crimes and being the big bad Red Army... Then join the modern reenactment of the Eastern Front... Then get captured.. Then act shocked that they do Red Army War Criminal Ork shit.... That's like volunteering to help the Kurds and being shocked Pikachu when ISIS cuts your head off. As for England or the US to give a shit - why? He volunteered to go fight for another country in a shit show - and it turned out to be a shit show. His fellow Ukrainians are meeting the same fait. He's not special just because he's a foreigner. He should have known by trying to be a propaganda piece to get Western support he'd also be a negative propaganda piece if captured. They were Ukrainian servicemen for years and live there with their Ukrainian families. You’re mistaken. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 12:45:47 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: The Killing and torture of UA prisoners of war is planned by Russia at the top. The goal is make UA so angry that they will stop taking Russians prisoners. When the word gets out to the average Russian soldier that UA no longer takes prisoners, they will know then that surrender to UA is no longer an option. Therefore they can either choose to die to continue to fight to the last man and last piece of ammo. This is the way that Russia wants it. Might also have an effect of decreasing world support and military aid for Ukraine if Ukraine is caught executing prisoners of war. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 12:49:07 AM EST
[#33]
Anyone have a link to the Russian claim of the war lasting 3 days?
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Posted: 7/30/2022 1:05:34 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: They were Ukrainian servicemen for years and live there with their Ukrainian families. You’re mistaken. No, I'm not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiden_Aslin |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 1:26:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
[#35]
Quote HistoryHe has been a Ukrainian serviceman since 2018. and is a Ukrainian citizen and holds a Ukrainian passport.. what is your arguement against that fact? he also didnt have any illusions about what would happen to him if he was caught as a pow.. you need to watch several of his interviews and also interviews of his fellow servicemen which are easily available. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 1:27:28 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryHe is a Ukrainian citizen and has been in their navy since 2018. You’re proving Ryan_scotts point |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 1:35:34 AM EST
[#37]
hes just trolling, he wont respond and say hes incorrect.
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Posted: 7/30/2022 1:39:57 AM EST
[#38]
CNN expose on Russia looting gold out of Sudan. Estimated $1.9 billion missing in 2021 alone. Using funds to circumvent sanctions in place since 2014.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/29/africa/sudan-russia-gold-investigation-cmd-intl/index.html |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 2:18:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: Gelandewagen]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: hes just trolling, he wont respond and say hes incorrect. Except I'm not "trolling". No idea why you guys are crying "Russians are War Criminals" then act shocked that they declare a well known foreign fighter an illegal combatant and sentence him to death. And if him being in Ukraine for 4 years, suddenly ensures he is extra Ukrainian, and should without a doubt be treated as a Ukrainian combatant -Then why should England or anyone in the West bail him out? Thousands of other Ukrainian POWs are likely being tortured and executed. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 2:24:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Except I'm not "trolling". No idea why you guys are crying "Russians are War Criminals" then act shocked that they declare a well known foreign fighter an illegal combatant and sentence him to death. And I'd home being in Ukraine for 4 years makes him extra Ukrainian then why should England be bailing him out after he was already arrested in England for spending two years in Syria. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Originally Posted By AROKIE: hes just trolling, he wont respond and say hes incorrect. Except I'm not "trolling". No idea why you guys are crying "Russians are War Criminals" then act shocked that they declare a well known foreign fighter an illegal combatant and sentence him to death. And I'd home being in Ukraine for 4 years makes him extra Ukrainian then why should England be bailing him out after he was already arrested in England for spending two years in Syria. lol, what? can you even read what you wrote? ill try and make some sense out of that.. not sure what "extra ukrainian" means... but he wasnt a foreign fighter, he was a Ukrainian of British decent in the Ukrainian navy. why is that so hard for you to understand? nothing you say will change that fact. nothing. yet you keep trying lol. and after he was "detained" in England they dropped the charges and he again returned to Syria to fight ISIS, just like many did from all over the world. so wtf are you even talking about? your wrong just face it bruh. and who even said anything about england bailing him out??? huh? he was a Ukrainian citizen fighting for the Ukrainian military. do we have to put it in braile for you to understand? lol He was not a mercenary. why is that hard for you? seriously? please explain why you cannot get that into your brain? lol " Aiden joined the Marines. He signed a contract with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which completely contradicts the theses of Russian propaganda and the DNR ‘court’ regarding mercenaries." He was a member of 1st Marine Battalion of the 36th Brigade, Of the Ukrainian Military. They have all the rights that all prisoners of war have under all international conventions. They were not part of any illegal formations, they are just servicemen of the Armed Forces If any of that you do not understand. or just dont want to understand because you have no argument against it, then just dont respond. Its just like anyone who is not American that serves in American armed forces and is caught as a POW in any conflict they fall under all international conventions and are protected as such. the following is a direct quote from the International bar association on his case. The three men were regular soldiers of the Ukrainian army. Therefore, as they are not mercenaries, Aiden Aslin, Shaun Pinner and Brahim Saaudun are entitled to the status of prisoners of war (POW) because before they were captured, they served as any other Ukrainian soldier in the Ukrainian armed forces. POW status provides immunity from criminal prosecution for the direct participation in hostilities." "For all the above reasons, particularly as neither Russian nor Ukrainian law allows the death penalty, the IBA and IBAHRI conclude that any implementation of the ‘pronounced’ death penalty will be an obvious case of plain murder of Aiden Aslin, Shaun Pinner and Brahim Saaudun and deemed an international war crime. Any perpetrators (anyone engaged in the so-called DPR ‘court’ and anyone who conspired to execute this decision) will be regarded as war criminals." Click if you can even read english. boom. Russians/dnr are in FACT in violation, and have commited a war crime if in fact he was executed under those charges, so I dont blame you for not responding as I would also feel stupid for arguing against what i just said, lol. have a good day sir! |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 2:49:48 AM EST
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:14:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: Gelandewagen]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: boom. Russians/dnr are in FACT in violation, and have commited a war crime if in fact he was executed under those charges, so I dont blame you for not responding as I would also feel stupid for arguing against what i just said, lol. have a good day sir! So again.... Are you suprized Russia commited a war crime? Are you expecting anyone to actually do anything about it? That was the whole damned point of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". His IG page was just not stop petition the UK and EU for his release. This very thread had people crying that England should retaliate and expel Russian diplomats. Why? As you said, he's Ukrainian. We've already seen countless war crimes. Why is this shocking to anyone? |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:16:08 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Except I'm not "trolling". No idea why you guys are crying "Russians are War Criminals" then act shocked that they declare a well known foreign fighter an illegal combatant and sentence him to death. And I'd home being in Ukraine for 4 years makes him extra Ukrainian then why should England be bailing him out after he was already arrested in England for spending two years in Syria. First of all, he's a Ukrainian citizen and a pre-invasion member of their armed forces, so whether or not he immigrated to Ukraine, he can no longer be considered a "foreign fighter". Secondly, being a foreigner in a country's military is not illegal. The U.S. has a bunch of non-citizens in the military. In an inter-state conflict, would they be illegal combatants as well? By your logic they would be such. Thirdly, what makes a foreign fighter or mercenary illegal if they are in the service of a country, openly bear arms, have a uniform or other insignia for identification, have a chain of command, etc.? What treaty or convention applicable to Ukraine permits punishment of being a foreigner in a country's military or being a mercenary an offense that may be or has to be punished by death? Perhaps something to which Ukraine is subject exists, but if so, can you cite it, or are you merely blindly going by what Russia says (the Russians are so full of shit it spews out of every orifice)? Or perhaps you are Russian, which would not be surprising, as actual Russian trolls are hardly a new thing around here, so you are just parroting the party line. Fourthly, if Russia is so concerned about the legality of foreign fighters and mercenaries, why is it bringing in foreign fighters from Africa and the ME, and why is it using Wagner Group mercenaries? Should they be executed as well? |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:16:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
[#44]
Kharkiv-
As many as three missiles were fired at the school. Presumably, the S-300. The central building was destroyed, the fire was large, but our rescuers coped, for which they are very grateful. The second arrival in the area of Cold Mountain fell into the ground. No one was injured, nothing was destroyed, only the windows in the nearby houses flew out. https://t.me/ihor_terekhov/375 On the night of July 30, the occupying forces launched a rocket attack on Kharkiv, as a result of which a three-story building of an educational institution in the Slobid district was partially destroyed, and a fire broke out. "A fire broke out in this building, for the liquidation of which 18 units of fire-rescue equipment and more than 100 specialists of the staff of the State Emergency Service were used," reports the press service of the State Emergency Service of the Kharkiv region. Rescuers of the Kharkiv Garrison of the State Emergency Service made a total of 30 operational trips last day, half of which (15) were for the elimination of fires, including 7 fires caused by military actions. Fires caused by enemy shelling occurred in Kharkiv (1), Chuguyiv (1), Bogodukhiv (1), Izyum (3) districts of the region, as well as 1 in Slobid district of Kharkiv. Natural ecosystems, private residential buildings and yard buildings, objects of critical infrastructure, a field with wheat burned. Pyrotechnicians of the State Emergency Service eliminated 10 unexploded enemy munitions. https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/849471.html Luhansk- Cars of the next, 177th, convoy of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Russia delivered food, building materials and basic necessities to Lugansk. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the LPR. Russians trying to keep Lunansk from turning into Mariupol Donetsk-
Speaker of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Vyacheslav Volodin accused Washington and Vladimir Zelensky of attacking the pre-trial detention center in Yelenovka, which held Ukrainian prisoners of war. According to him, they did this in order to prevent a new Nuremberg trial. https://tvzvezda.ru/news/2022730109-aAqFD.html
Zaporizhzhia- Earlier hotel strike: In Energodar, an explosion rang out in front of the hotel where the occupiers live: Russian equipment was burned In the occupied Energodar, three units of military equipment of the Russian Federation burned in front of the hotel "VP ZAES", where Russians live. Source: Dmytro Orlov , Mayor of Energodar  Kherson-
Odesa- The ports of "Odesa" and "Chornomorsk" have prepared ten ships with grain for shipment The sea ports of Odessa and Chornomorsk have already loaded grain on 17 vessels, ten of which are ready for shipment, the Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine reported on Friday. "For the first time since February 24, work has resumed in the sea ports of Ukraine. Ships that were loaded with grain in the winter are ready to leave as soon as our partners, the UN and Turkey agree on a "green corridor" in the direction of the Bosphorus," commented the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Oleksandr Kubrakov . https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/849374.html |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:18:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: So again.... Are you suprized Russia commuted a war crime? Are you expecting anyone to actually do anything about it? That was the whole damned point of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". His IG page was just not stop petition the UK and EU for his release. This very thread had people crying that England should retaliate and expel Russian diplomats. Why? As you said, he's Ukrainian. We've already seen countless war crimes. Why is this shocking to anyone? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Originally Posted By AROKIE: boom. Russians/dnr are in FACT in violation, and have commited a war crime if in fact he was executed under those charges, so I dont blame you for not responding as I would also feel stupid for arguing against what i just said, lol. have a good day sir! So again.... Are you suprized Russia commuted a war crime? Are you expecting anyone to actually do anything about it? That was the whole damned point of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". His IG page was just not stop petition the UK and EU for his release. This very thread had people crying that England should retaliate and expel Russian diplomats. Why? As you said, he's Ukrainian. We've already seen countless war crimes. Why is this shocking to anyone? So you are changing your argument now? first you said you were not wrong about him being a foreign fighter/mercenary. nothing in this discussion had anything to do with England or his time in syria so no idea why you brought that into it. Russia is committing war crimes, its been no suprise to anyone here as they have been doing it since the beginning. and yes plenty will be done about it. I guess Nuremburg trials doesnt ring a bell with you. you said "play stupid games win stupid prizes" when the poster posted about him being executed. nothing about expelling diplomats. you are deflecting very hard. but its not working so you do agree you were wrong? he is not a mercenary. when Ryan_scott said you were wrong about them being Ukrainian military you answer to him was "no im not" |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:21:58 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Fourthly, if Russia is so concerned about the legality of foreign fighters and mercenaries, why is it bringing in foreign fighters from Africa and the ME, and why is it using Wagner Group mercenaries? Should they be executed as well? Go read the post I just made above you... GD : Russians are evil Communist Orks! Russia : Does Evil Communist Ork Shit GD: How could Russia do this! That's not legal! 
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:28:22 AM EST
[#47]
By that logic, no one should get pissed when Democrats do Democrat shit, and GD would cease to exist.
I will extend you this- I wouldn’t be on social media either. But what his friends do with his IG account…I mean of course they’re going to advocate for him. And it’s just a shitty thing to say to someone fighting an invading force known to commit war crimes. Not sure what your goal is other than to just shit up a thread. |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:32:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: By that logic, no one should get pissed when Democrats do Democrat shit, and GD would cease to exist. I will extend you this- I wouldn’t be on social media either. But what his friends do with his IG account…I mean of course they’re going to advocate for him. And it’s just a shitty thing to say to someone fighting an invading force known to commit war crimes. Not sure what your goal is other than to just shit up a thread. thats all his point was, to shit on this thread. He just got schooled and now hes deflecting on "why are you suprised?".. lol . he learned today that those boys were not mercenaries. and he prolly feels dumb now but oh well. atleast he learned something today and anyways why wouldnt people pettition england to assist his release? and why wouldnt diplomats be expelled and much more i would hope, yes there will be reprecussions to war crimes as there always has been. the war is not over. there are many cases going to the hague on russia to have the mentality "russia is just doing russia shit" is beyond stupid and ignorant. 
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:42:14 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Kharkiv- As many as three missiles were fired at the school. Presumably, the S-300. The central building was destroyed, the fire was large, but our rescuers coped, for which they are very grateful. The second arrival in the area of Cold Mountain fell into the ground. No one was injured, nothing was destroyed, only the windows in the nearby houses flew out. https://t.me/ihor_terekhov/375 On the night of July 30, the occupying forces launched a rocket attack on Kharkiv, as a result of which a three-story building of an educational institution in the Slobid district was partially destroyed, and a fire broke out. "A fire broke out in this building, for the liquidation of which 18 units of fire-rescue equipment and more than 100 specialists of the staff of the State Emergency Service were used," reports the press service of the State Emergency Service of the Kharkiv region. Rescuers of the Kharkiv Garrison of the State Emergency Service made a total of 30 operational trips last day, half of which (15) were for the elimination of fires, including 7 fires caused by military actions. Fires caused by enemy shelling occurred in Kharkiv (1), Chuguyiv (1), Bogodukhiv (1), Izyum (3) districts of the region, as well as 1 in Slobid district of Kharkiv. Natural ecosystems, private residential buildings and yard buildings, objects of critical infrastructure, a field with wheat burned. Pyrotechnicians of the State Emergency Service eliminated 10 unexploded enemy munitions. https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/849471.html Luhansk- Cars of the next, 177th, convoy of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Russia delivered food, building materials and basic necessities to Lugansk. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the LPR. Russians trying to keep Lunansk from turning into Mariupol Donetsk-
Speaker of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Vyacheslav Volodin accused Washington and Vladimir Zelensky of attacking the pre-trial detention center in Yelenovka, which held Ukrainian prisoners of war. According to him, they did this in order to prevent a new Nuremberg trial. https://tvzvezda.ru/news/2022730109-aAqFD.html
Zaporizhzhia- Earlier hotel strike: In Energodar, an explosion rang out in front of the hotel where the occupiers live: Russian equipment was burned In the occupied Energodar, three units of military equipment of the Russian Federation burned in front of the hotel "VP ZAES", where Russians live. Source: Dmytro Orlov , Mayor of Energodar https://img.pravda.com/images/doc/1/2/122031e-------.jpg Kherson-
Odesa- The ports of "Odesa" and "Chornomorsk" have prepared ten ships with grain for shipment The sea ports of Odessa and Chornomorsk have already loaded grain on 17 vessels, ten of which are ready for shipment, the Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine reported on Friday. "For the first time since February 24, work has resumed in the sea ports of Ukraine. Ships that were loaded with grain in the winter are ready to leave as soon as our partners, the UN and Turkey agree on a "green corridor" in the direction of the Bosphorus," commented the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Oleksandr Kubrakov . https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/849374.html “The Ukrainian army is pouring it on against the Russians and this is only the beginning,” from that article on the russians getting killed in kherson fighting... thats awesome! sounds like the ruskies are having a tough night |
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Posted: 7/30/2022 3:42:50 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: So you are changing your argument now? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: So you are changing your argument now? No. He played a stupid game and got a stupid prize. Originally Posted By AROKIE: first you said you were not wrong about him being a foreign fighter/mercenary. Honest opinion? I think he was a war junkie. His legal status is immaterial. I followed his Cossack Grundy IG. He put out a ton of propaganda, he made himself well known and certainly put himself on the Russian's radar. Who ever was managing his page after April(?) and his capture certianly did him know favors. Originally Posted By AROKIE:nothing in this discussion had anything to do with England or his time in syria so no idea why you brought that into it. It's part of the greater Aiden saga and "England should retaliate" was certainly brought up before my "play stupid games" comments. Originally Posted By AROKIE: Russia is committing war crimes, its been no suprise to anyone here as they have been doing it since the beginning. Again, Mr.Grundy should have expected to be tortured and killed if captured. Anyone trying to argue his combatant status or UN regulations - it's pointless. Originally Posted By AROKIE: and yes plenty will be done about it. I guess Nuremburg trials doesnt ring a bell with you. I guess Katyn Massacre doesn't ring a bell to you... Originally Posted By AROKIE:you said "play stupid games win stupid prizes" when the poster posted about him being executed. nothing about expelling diplomats. you are deflecting very hard. but its not working It's literally right here: Originally Posted By Jack67: I hope not, but given what we've heard about other prisoners, this sounds likely. The UK should declare it a "provocation" and: a) Have all Russian diplomatic personnel in-country on a sh**ty IL-76 back to Moscow within 48 hours. Maybe it will crash. b) Seize the embassy, raze it, and build a beautiful memorial to victims of Russian massacres - Katyn Forest, Volga Germans, Bucha, etc. - right there on Bayswater Road near Hyde Park. c) Freeze any remaining assets, revoke visas of any other citizens in the country who are not refugees or seeking asylum. d) Round up the known other spies and illegals (they are there, and some quietly known and monitored) and put them on trial for espionage, then hang them. Then the US should follow suit in sympathy. Originally Posted By AROKIE: so you do agree you were wrong? he is not a mercenary. when Ryan_scott said you were wrong about them being Ukrainian military you answer to him was "no im not" Fine, he wasn't a "Mercenary". But. He did play a stupid game. And he clearly won a stupid prize. And no, I don't believe he was some noble Ukrainian loyalist. I think he enjoyed playing soldier in Syria and decided to go play in Ukraine. |
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