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Posted: 8/1/2022 11:46:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: R0N]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: I think you missed my point which had nothing to do with Tucker. In regards to Tucker, his phrasing doesn't seem like him questioning much. I do watch most of his shows and it seems more like smearing to appeal to edgelords on the right. Correct me if you disagree. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: Originally Posted By R0N: I may the odd one out but most of the questions Tucker asks about our support in this war seem valid and should be answered instead of dismissing them as mere Russian propaganda I think you missed my point which had nothing to do with Tucker. In regards to Tucker, his phrasing doesn't seem like him questioning much. I do watch most of his shows and it seems more like smearing to appeal to edgelords on the right. Correct me if you disagree. The clips I have caught, bombastic delivery aside, seem to have him asking questions like have we really thought this through, do we know the whole back story and what is the long term effects of our involvement |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 11:48:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: https://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/06/Alex-Jones-Tucker-Carlson-YouTube.jpg https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2015/05/20/20150520post-jonescarlson.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4GbML3WEAQSG0h?format=jpg "bUh, pUTin iS A ChrISTiaN fiGhT'in fEr aLL 'MerICaNs riGHTs 'gaiNST dA gLobAlisTs." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Tucker Carlson is dead to me. Him carrying water for the Russians is unforgivable. It is a shame he chose to take this path, as he otherwise usually displayed solid thinking. But this pro-Russia shit is just too much. He can fuck off and die for all I care. Can’t even stand to watch him any more. https://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/06/Alex-Jones-Tucker-Carlson-YouTube.jpg https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2015/05/20/20150520post-jonescarlson.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4GbML3WEAQSG0h?format=jpg "bUh, pUTin iS A ChrISTiaN fiGhT'in fEr aLL 'MerICaNs riGHTs 'gaiNST dA gLobAlisTs." Wonder when Carlson will start flogging “supplements” on his show. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 11:49:10 AM EST
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I dreamt that I was there last night. In a journalistic context, reporting on the evacuation of civilians.
Saw a couple of scuffles and some attack helicopters in the distance, but I didn't get shot at. 
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Posted: 8/1/2022 11:49:52 AM EST
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Posted: 8/1/2022 11:51:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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1st dud Brimstone
  Nope, same dud found in May. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 11:51:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: The clips I have caught seem to have him asking questions like have we really thought this through, do we know the whole back story and what is the long term effects of our involvement Sure. There are legit questions in there and I'm sure Obama was right with the quote attributed to him" Never underestimate the ability of Biden to f things up." I have huge reservations about our leadership, corrupt politicians and the State Dept among other things. But, overall, Tucker seems to have taken an snarky pro Russian fascism frame of reference that isn't particularly honest. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 11:51:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: Yeah, I think that tank still holds the world record.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiybJ8UuHXAHmm, olympic turrent toss. Orcs are the best in the world. Got to wonder if foreign sales of russian tanks will ever pick up. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 11:53:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: It's shocking but I believe it. But rather than a "terrorist" act, I'd consider it mass murder. I wonder how the Russian .mil look at this event. I'm sure they are happy that UA POW's are dead and they probably hope this incident does terrorize the Ukrainian people. It furthers their main goal of destroying and/or demoralizing Ukraine. But have they (Russians) given up on all pretense of decency and honor. I would have thought that at least some of them considered themselves soldiers rather than just murderers, looters, and rapists... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Prime: That’s the UA Defense Ministry’s take. https://gur.gov.ua/content/vbyvstvo-ukrainskykh-zakhysnykiv-v-olenivtsi-svidomyi-akt-teroryzmu-ukraina-vymahaie-nehainoho-rozsliduvannia-obstavyn-i-prychyn-smerti-nashykh-heroiv.html The killing of Ukrainian Defenders in Olenivka is a deliberate act of terrorism. Ukraine demands an immediate investigation into the circumstances and causes of the death of our Heroes On July 28, a powerful explosion took place on the territory of the former correctional colony No. 120 in the city of Olenivka in the temporarily occupied territory of the Donetsk region, which is currently used as a place of detention for Ukrainian prisoners of war. As a result of the explosion, the premises where the captured Ukrainians were located was destroyed. According to Russian sources, about 40 Ukrainians were killed, the number of wounded - to be determined. The explosions took place on the territory of the industrial zone in a newly built building that was supposed to be specially equipped to hold prisoners taken out of Azovstal. The equipment of the building was completed 2 days ago, after which part of the detained Ukrainian Defenders were transferred to it. We emphasize that the explosions in Olenivka, which led to the death of the Ukrainian Defenders, are a deliberate provocation and an undeniable act of terrorism by the occupying forces. According to available information, it was carried out by mercenaries from the Wagner (League) PMC under the personal command of the nominal owner of the specified PMC - Yevhen Prigozhin. The organization and implementation of the terrorist attack were not coordinated with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The main purpose of the terrorist attack was to hide the facts of total embezzlement of funds allocated for the maintenance of Ukrainian prisoners of war. It is known that on August 1, a commission from Moscow was supposed to arrive at the "object" to check the expenditure of allocated funds and the conditions of detention of prisoners. Since the real condition of the building and the conditions of keeping prisoners in it did not meet the requirements of the Russian leadership, the "problem" was solved by destroying the premises, together with the Ukrainians housed in it. Another purpose of the provocation is to increase social tension in Ukraine. Given the great public interest in the fate of the Heroes of Azovstal, according to the authors of the scenario of the terrorist attack, the death of the Defenders should lead to an increase in social tension in Ukraine. The head of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Kyrylo Budanov, emphasizes: "In order to find out the real circumstances of the terrorist attack and prevent a similar incident in the future, I call on all international institutions to express a tough position regarding the events in Olenivka. The International Movement of the Red Cross and Red Crescent, which is one of the guarantors of the safety and proper maintenance of Ukrainian prisoners of war, should give a proper assessment of the events and make efforts to find out the real circumstances and reasons for the killing of the Ukrainian Defenders. Ukraine demands the immediate admission of representatives of Ukraine to the scene of events to study the situation and control the conditions of detention of captured Ukrainian defenders. I also emphasize the need to conduct detailed monitoring of the conditions of detention of Ukrainian prisoners and guarantee the preservation of their lives and health." It's shocking but I believe it. But rather than a "terrorist" act, I'd consider it mass murder. I wonder how the Russian .mil look at this event. I'm sure they are happy that UA POW's are dead and they probably hope this incident does terrorize the Ukrainian people. It furthers their main goal of destroying and/or demoralizing Ukraine. But have they (Russians) given up on all pretense of decency and honor. I would have thought that at least some of them considered themselves soldiers rather than just murderers, looters, and rapists... Let’s add this up: - Putin repeatedly claimed Azov battalion are all Nazis. This is a lie, of course. Any neo-Nazi elements were purged from Azov years ago. There are Jewish Azov fighters. - Wagner “private security” were put in charge, and they are even more corrupt/evil than the average amoral Orc. Wagner increasingly accepts convicted criminals. But - these are not the main reasons they slaughtered the Azovstal prisoners. They murdered them because Wagner a-holes were embezzling / stealing the $$ from the Red Cross / UN meant to care for and feed the prisoners, and they were about to get caught red handed. They were eliminating the witnesses to their thefts, and knew they’d probably get away with it. This is why changing the Russian military is not possible. We need to help the Ukrainians kill as many Russians as possible. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 11:57:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: I may the odd one out but most of the questions Tucker asks about our support in this war seem valid and should be answered instead of dismissing them as mere Russian propaganda You arent wrong. Answering the questions properly provides legitimacy to the war and the lend lease program. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 12:00:08 PM EST
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I'm still waiting for that Russian HIMARS prop to be filmed by that news agency to "prove" they got one.
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Posted: 8/1/2022 12:06:02 PM EST
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Translation:
Video of the detention on the beach and in the apartment of rats who handed over "weak points" of defense to the orcs in the Sumy region According to the SBU, the rats collected information about the locations, the number of military personnel and weapons, as well as the existing fortifications of the Ukrainian Defense Forces.
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Posted: 8/1/2022 12:12:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: A good bit of the drone bombings are cleaning up the abandoned, disabled vehicles since much of the footage shows them hitting stopped abandoned vehicles. Behind enemy lines, where there is little/no chance of capturing the enemy vehicle, it certainly has it's value. I would not assume that. In this type of war armor spends 99 percent of it's time sitting around, likely with hatches open. The time spent in actual combat assaults or even occupied is tiny. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 12:13:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Getting Kherson back and the Russians back across the River would be a big win. I would guess they would then switch to better offensive opportunities out East than attempt to attack across the river. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Seems the strategy is to just trap Russkies in Kherson. Getting Kherson back and the Russians back across the River would be a big win. I would guess they would then switch to better offensive opportunities out East than attempt to attack across the river. Kind of thinking this as well. Crossing a major river given Russia's artillery and air capabilities would be very costly. Plus taking Kherson puts the E97 highway out of Crimea in HIMARS range. This is one of the two big North / South highways out of Crimea, and the other one has a large (vulnerable) bridge. The East / West approach to Crimea from Russia has its big bridge, so taking Kherson puts the only pure land route in and out of Crimea under fire. Drop a few bridges, and watch the Russians squirm. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 12:14:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: This is a good point. I believe the majority of Russians still living in Russia believe the Kremlin’s daily feed of propaganda and lies about the “special military operation.” Here is a lefty source tending to confirm it: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62331061 Russians were very proud of being the "Best". They have been humiliated with the fall of the soviet union. They will believe pretty much anything in order to support the return of their empire, and enduring hardship is how they prove they really are better than anybody else. Not all russians, of course, but about 3/4. And those 3/4 will stomp on the other 1/4 if necessary to get them in line. They will willingly accept stomping on the people of lesser countries in support of the return of the empire. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 12:16:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 8/1/2022 12:23:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Let's be realistic, if the UA ever pushes the Russians back they will just level everything of value.l to the ukranians. Absolutely. But it seems like Ukranians are proving that no matter how bad it is they will immediately pick up a bucket and start clearing trash of of their bombed out streets and immediately start rebuilding their lives with what seems to be a cheerful spirit that is very hard to break. It reminds me of the ideals of what america used to be. Of course anybody breaks when everybody they love has been raped and murdered. And I'm sure that is the point of russian soldiers running around like a pack of pigs, to break the Ukranians and make them kneel. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 12:35:02 PM EST
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Posted: 8/1/2022 12:40:43 PM EST
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I laughed a little at this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wcvgpu/short_compilation_of_russian_losses_in_ukraine/ |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 12:43:01 PM EST
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38 minutes ago. 
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:05:18 PM EST
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The new Audubon field guide to discovering abandoned Russian positions in Kharkiv. (Hint, you can tell by the garbage in their positions.)
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:10:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Ukrainian suicide drone flown into Russian positions, followed by artillery.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wdovz3/ukrainian_suicide_drone_dives_into_a_group_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb Twitter version.
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:16:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: I was scratching my head trying to figure out how a corner reflector was going to help there. Probably a lot like the cope cages on their tanks. A nice, feel-good action. One has to wonder how good their intel on western weapons must be if they're doing something this ridiculous. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Balu: Originally Posted By Prime: The first documented loss of the valuable Russian electronic warfare complex "Layer-2" based on the "Tiger" chassis It was destroyed in the spring, probably in the Mykolaiv region. This is a fairly modern system, the first copies of which entered Russian service back in 2012.
Footage of Antonovsky bridge pontoon crossing
https://m.antikor.com.ua/articles/564108-vojska_rf_ustanovili_otrahateli_vdolj_antonovskogo_mosta_chtoby_uberechjsja_ot_udarov_vsu__isw Russians installed “radar reflectors” on the bridge to prevent HIMARS strikes. LOL that's going to be super effective against rockets/artillery that use a blended inertial and GPS guidance system. Maybe the Russians think Ukraine will try to shoot the bridge with AMRAAMs? I was scratching my head trying to figure out how a corner reflector was going to help there. Probably a lot like the cope cages on their tanks. A nice, feel-good action. One has to wonder how good their intel on western weapons must be if they're doing something this ridiculous. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. Their specialist casualties may really be telling. The people currently responsible for countermeasures may just not know what the capabilities of western platforms are and how to counter them. We saw the same thing a month or so ago around the Kerch Bridge. They had a ship literally festooned with radar reflectors which was moored near the bridge. This makes no sense to counter ATACMS and little to no sense to counter Harpoon used in GPS mode. The only thing that would make sense is one of their old anti-ship missiles. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:17:33 PM EST
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:23:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Their specialist casualties may really be telling. The people currently responsible for countermeasures may just not know what the capabilities of western platforms are and how to counter them. We saw the same thing a month or so ago around the Kerch Bridge. They had a ship literally festooned with radar reflectors which was moored near the bridge. This makes no sense to counter ATACMS and little to no sense to counter Harpoon used in GPS mode. The only thing that would make sense is one of their old anti-ship missiles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Balu: Originally Posted By Prime: The first documented loss of the valuable Russian electronic warfare complex "Layer-2" based on the "Tiger" chassis It was destroyed in the spring, probably in the Mykolaiv region. This is a fairly modern system, the first copies of which entered Russian service back in 2012.
Footage of Antonovsky bridge pontoon crossing
https://m.antikor.com.ua/articles/564108-vojska_rf_ustanovili_otrahateli_vdolj_antonovskogo_mosta_chtoby_uberechjsja_ot_udarov_vsu__isw Russians installed "radar reflectors" on the bridge to prevent HIMARS strikes. LOL that's going to be super effective against rockets/artillery that use a blended inertial and GPS guidance system. Maybe the Russians think Ukraine will try to shoot the bridge with AMRAAMs? I was scratching my head trying to figure out how a corner reflector was going to help there. Probably a lot like the cope cages on their tanks. A nice, feel-good action. One has to wonder how good their intel on western weapons must be if they're doing something this ridiculous. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. Their specialist casualties may really be telling. The people currently responsible for countermeasures may just not know what the capabilities of western platforms are and how to counter them. We saw the same thing a month or so ago around the Kerch Bridge. They had a ship literally festooned with radar reflectors which was moored near the bridge. This makes no sense to counter ATACMS and little to no sense to counter Harpoon used in GPS mode. The only thing that would make sense is one of their old anti-ship missiles. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:29:13 PM EST
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Animated gif of ISW maps of Eastern Ukraine.
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:31:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: Exactly. I'll bet they assume that their shitty capabilities are the same as ours. I hope they keep thinking that until an inertial/GPS guided rocket blows them to shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Balu: Originally Posted By Prime: The first documented loss of the valuable Russian electronic warfare complex "Layer-2" based on the "Tiger" chassis It was destroyed in the spring, probably in the Mykolaiv region. This is a fairly modern system, the first copies of which entered Russian service back in 2012.
Footage of Antonovsky bridge pontoon crossing
https://m.antikor.com.ua/articles/564108-vojska_rf_ustanovili_otrahateli_vdolj_antonovskogo_mosta_chtoby_uberechjsja_ot_udarov_vsu__isw Russians installed "radar reflectors" on the bridge to prevent HIMARS strikes. LOL that's going to be super effective against rockets/artillery that use a blended inertial and GPS guidance system. Maybe the Russians think Ukraine will try to shoot the bridge with AMRAAMs? I was scratching my head trying to figure out how a corner reflector was going to help there. Probably a lot like the cope cages on their tanks. A nice, feel-good action. One has to wonder how good their intel on western weapons must be if they're doing something this ridiculous. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. Their specialist casualties may really be telling. The people currently responsible for countermeasures may just not know what the capabilities of western platforms are and how to counter them. We saw the same thing a month or so ago around the Kerch Bridge. They had a ship literally festooned with radar reflectors which was moored near the bridge. This makes no sense to counter ATACMS and little to no sense to counter Harpoon used in GPS mode. The only thing that would make sense is one of their old anti-ship missiles. I was thinking the same. Their S-300 and KH-22 missiles have radar seekers. Boy are they gonna be surprised.
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:34:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: Sure. There are legit questions in there and I'm sure Obama was right with the quote attributed to him" Never underestimate the ability of Biden to f things up." I have huge reservations about our leadership, corrupt politicians and the State Dept among other things. But, overall, Tucker seems to have taken an snarky pro Russian fascism frame of reference that isn't particularly honest. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: Originally Posted By R0N: The clips I have caught seem to have him asking questions like have we really thought this through, do we know the whole back story and what is the long term effects of our involvement Sure. There are legit questions in there and I'm sure Obama was right with the quote attributed to him" Never underestimate the ability of Biden to f things up." I have huge reservations about our leadership, corrupt politicians and the State Dept among other things. But, overall, Tucker seems to have taken an snarky pro Russian fascism frame of reference that isn't particularly honest. About that govt..... https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3582757-hawley-vows-to-vote-no-on-adding-sweden-and-finland-to-nato/ |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:35:44 PM EST
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"Shoot And Scoot - Ukrainian Grad Rocket Teams Aim To Hit Hard And Move Fast"  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:36:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: stone-age]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: Exactly. I'll bet they assume that their shitty capabilities are the same as ours. I hope they keep thinking that until an inertial/GPS guided rocket blows them to shit. I heard somebody mention that the US publicly under-sells what their weapons are capable of and russia publicly over sells what their weapons are capable of. And I'm sure the average russian soldier has been constantly fed bullshit that their weapons are great and our weapons suck. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:39:10 PM EST
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:42:30 PM EST
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:45:16 PM EST
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:57:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: Illegible_Signature]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Since these civilians are fleeing to RU-controlled territory, would they more likely be RU sympathetic or just getting out the best they can before the storm? It seems odd (to me) that RU would expend any effort/resources with their pontoon/barge scheme on civilians right now unless RU just doesn't see the bigger picture of what is happening. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 2:59:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: What is with you and the guilt by association schtick? Why not simply criticize Tucker based on his own statements or simply have an opinion? The way you go about smearing people is really weird. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: https://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/06/Alex-Jones-Tucker-Carlson-YouTube.jpg "bUh, pUTin iS A ChrISTiaN fiGhT'in fEr aLL 'MerICaNs riGHTs 'gaiNST dA gLobAlisTs." What is with you and the guilt by association schtick? Why not simply criticize Tucker based on his own statements or simply have an opinion? The way you go about smearing people is really weird. Please go away. You whine like a 70 year old woman playing bridge. I have documented Tucker's Russian policy expert's connections to the Russian government multiple times on this board and you have read it. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:00:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Illegible_Signature: Since these civilians are fleeing to RU-controlled territory, would they more likely be RU sympathetic or just getting out the best they can before the storm? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Illegible_Signature: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Since these civilians are fleeing to RU-controlled territory, would they more likely be RU sympathetic or just getting out the best they can before the storm? I'm not sure, but in the past the Russians have only allowed fleeing into their territories instead of Ukrainian held territory. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:01:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Illegible_Signature: Since these civilians are fleeing to RU-controlled territory, would they more likely be RU sympathetic or just getting out the best they can before the storm? It seems odd (to me) that RU would expend any effort/resources with their pontoon/barge scheme on civilians right now unless RU just doesn't see the bigger picture of what is happening. civilians at the crossing makes Ukraine less likely to strike, or at least to only employ their most precise weapons when they do so. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:06:51 PM EST
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:08:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
38 minutes ago. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZFtQ6xXkAM_RkY?format=jpg&name=900x900 Still curious about the data so deep in southern Russia and Crimea. A) what is being hit, and b) what’s swinging da’ pipe? ;) |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:10:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: MKSheppard]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: LOL that's going to be super effective against rockets/artillery that use a blended inertial and GPS guidance system. Maybe the Russians think Ukraine will try to shoot the bridge with AMRAAMs? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: LOL that's going to be super effective against rockets/artillery that use a blended inertial and GPS guidance system. Maybe the Russians think Ukraine will try to shoot the bridge with AMRAAMs? There's a lot of smoothbrains here. In order to shoot at something, you have to KNOW it's there first.  Attached FileThat's an image from a commercial radar satellite showing what appears to be a pontoon bridge at Kherson. Only now it appears that those dots are actually corner reflectors. There are multiple reasons for laying corner reflectors to make it look like a pontoon crossing is going on. I suspect that both sides (RU/UKR) are buying commercial imagery (visual and radar), due to a sheer lack of ISR/Surveillance assets five months in -- yes, everyone has commercial DJI level drones up the ass, but those can only really fly in clear(ish) weather. So, by using corner reflectors to fake a pontoon crossing across a river, you can cause the Ukrainians to: 1.) Use valuable ISR assets such as high level drones, or manned recon aircraft to check out the area of the fake crossing (and thus come in range of your antiaircraft assets. or 2.) Cause the Ukrainians to waste HIMARS rockets / Excalibur shells on prophylactic bombardment of the "crossing". It would have worked in 2005; or maybe 2008 before twitter and others got really big. Now, there's too much social media from everyone posting everything that stuff like this gets blown fast. EDIT LINK "Russia has two optical reconnaissance satellites in orbit now, called Persona, Hendrix said, but they were launched between seven and nine years ago, meaning they may be near the end of their working life. Adding further to the problem: The maximum resolution of the Persona satellites is believed to be 50 centimeters per pixel, Hendrix said." ... "Russia has also lagged behind in building and deploying remote-sensing satellites whose radars can see through cloud cover, unlike optical satellites. According to the Union of Concerned Scientists’ database, Russia has only one confirmed radar satellite in operation, called Kondor. It was launched in 2014, and with an expected lifespan of five years, it may have already ceased to be operational. In February, Russia’s space forces launched another satellite, dubbed Kosmos-2553 or Neutron. Little is known about its purpose or capabilities, though it was built by Mashinostroyeniye, a Moscow military research institute which specializes specifically in radar-sensing satellites. “If Neutron is a radar satellite, then this is the first such launch in almost 10 years,” Hendrix said." |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:14:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Nazi Germany is a case study in mass psychosis. The USSR studied and adopted Nazi methods. Putin seeks to revive the USSR. Not coincidentally, Putin served as a Stasi officer during his time in the KGB (an agency he later led). To understand the enemy here - our enemy: the Putin regime - we need to understand and recognize when a society is under mass psychosis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4MQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: I would argue that Russia never was "sane," at least in a Western European sense of the word. The Russians never quite experienced the enlightenment reforms in the same way Western Europe did. There were some small reforms under Alexander II, but they were not to a very large extent. They basically went from Tsarist rule, to horrific Bolshevik oppression, to kleptocratic rule without anything in between. Simply put, I don't think that most Americans and Western Europeans can understand Russian culture and society. Many of them don't think like we do. Frankly, I notice some similarities between Russian culture and Islamic cultures in the MENA, in terms of fatalism, acceptance of terrible governance, and lack of respect for human life. Certainly, I'm far from an SME on this subject, and my knowledge comes from a bit of reading on my own time and some courses I took in college. There's probably people posting in this thread who are more knowledgeable about Russian culture than I am, so they can feel free to correct me if I'm wildly off base. Nazi Germany is a case study in mass psychosis. The USSR studied and adopted Nazi methods. Putin seeks to revive the USSR. Not coincidentally, Putin served as a Stasi officer during his time in the KGB (an agency he later led). To understand the enemy here - our enemy: the Putin regime - we need to understand and recognize when a society is under mass psychosis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4MThe bold above occurred to me as well. While Alexander II freed the serfs, there was little in real progress either socially or industrially, and Russia remained handicapped in politics and economy. Nicholas II tried some reforms, but was probably the most bungling monarch the world saw in the last 300 years. The communists were worse for Russians than the Tsars; totalitarian rule without limit. Then Putin reinstituted totalitarianism after a brief window of more liberal rule. So yeah, it's hundreds of years of repressive dictatorships going back to the Khans. Moscow tried hard to be more like Europeans for some periods, Peter the Great, Alexander II. But they've never escaped their cultural history. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:16:37 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I'm not sure, but in the past the Russians have only allowed fleeing into their territories instead of Ukrainian held territory. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:17:19 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Please go away. You whine like a 70 year old woman playing bridge. I have documented Tucker's Russian policy expert's connections to the Russian government multiple times on this board and you have read it. When you counter someone's point by not addressing it and throw in silly insults you are validating their point. By all means, point out Tuckers' issues with Russian propaganda. You have a solid point there. All I'm asking is you do it in a way that does not come across like a weirdo. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:17:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: _disconnector_]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: There's a lot of smoothbrains here. In order to shoot at something, you have to KNOW it's there first. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20998/SARImagery_jpg-2472992.JPG That's an image from a commercial radar satellite showing what appears to be a pontoon bridge at Kherson. Only now it appears that those dots are actually corner reflectors. There are multiple reasons for laying corner reflectors to make it look like a pontoon crossing is going on. I suspect that both sides (RU/UKR) are buying commercial imagery (visual and radar), due to a sheer lack of ISR/Surveillance assets five months in -- yes, everyone has commercial DJI level drones up the ass, but those can only really fly in clear(ish) weather. So, by using corner reflectors to fake a pontoon crossing across a river, you can cause the Ukrainians to: 1.) Use valuable ISR assets such as high level drones, or manned recon aircraft to check out the area of the fake crossing (and thus come in range of your antiaircraft assets. or 2.) Cause the Ukrainians to waste HIMARS rockets / Excalibur shells on prophylactic bombardment of the "crossing". It would have worked in 2005; or maybe 2008 before twitter and others got really big. Now, there's too much social media from everyone posting everything that stuff like this gets blown fast. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By Balu: LOL that's going to be super effective against rockets/artillery that use a blended inertial and GPS guidance system. Maybe the Russians think Ukraine will try to shoot the bridge with AMRAAMs? There's a lot of smoothbrains here. In order to shoot at something, you have to KNOW it's there first. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20998/SARImagery_jpg-2472992.JPG That's an image from a commercial radar satellite showing what appears to be a pontoon bridge at Kherson. Only now it appears that those dots are actually corner reflectors. There are multiple reasons for laying corner reflectors to make it look like a pontoon crossing is going on. I suspect that both sides (RU/UKR) are buying commercial imagery (visual and radar), due to a sheer lack of ISR/Surveillance assets five months in -- yes, everyone has commercial DJI level drones up the ass, but those can only really fly in clear(ish) weather. So, by using corner reflectors to fake a pontoon crossing across a river, you can cause the Ukrainians to: 1.) Use valuable ISR assets such as high level drones, or manned recon aircraft to check out the area of the fake crossing (and thus come in range of your antiaircraft assets. or 2.) Cause the Ukrainians to waste HIMARS rockets / Excalibur shells on prophylactic bombardment of the "crossing". It would have worked in 2005; or maybe 2008 before twitter and others got really big. Now, there's too much social media from everyone posting everything that stuff like this gets blown fast. Plus I'm betting that the Ukrainians have hundreds of intel personnel in that area with satphones telling them exactly what's up. A Russian probably can't take a piss without length (short) /girth (unimpressive) /stream density (weak) notes being passed back to Kyiv. I mean shit man - it's their own country and it's still absolutely chock full of Ukrainians. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:27:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Interesting orc logic. You'd think they'd do the opposite and send them thru the defenders line to overwhelm, obstruct & burden the UA side. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I'm not sure, but in the past the Russians have only allowed fleeing into their territories instead of Ukrainian held territory. Well, yea, but the other villages and towns where Russians took over only allow them to go to Russia. Article from March. I'm guessing they end up in these filtration camps because of their Ukrainian documents, or the Russians don't want sympathizers telling the Ukrainian forces any info. https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/top-wrap-1-ukrainians-trapped-besieged-city-fighting-blocks-evacuation-efforts-2022-03-07/ Moscow says it will let Ukrainian civilians flee — to Russia |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:33:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: A couple of corner reflectors in a line isn't going to fool a decent SAR system that takes motion into account. Seriously - they can probably measure the rotational speed of the metal rims on the cars crossing the dang pontoon bridge from outside of Ukrainian airspace. US SAR/GMTI systems have absolutely insanely high accuracy and detail. A corner reflector will just come up on a display tagged as . Plus I'm betting that the Ukrainians have hundreds of intel personnel in that area with satphones telling them exactly what's up. A Russian probably can't take a piss without length (short) /girth (unimpressive) /stream density (weak) notes being passed back to Kyiv. I mean shit man - it's their own country and it's still absolutely chock full of Ukrainians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By Balu: LOL that's going to be super effective against rockets/artillery that use a blended inertial and GPS guidance system. Maybe the Russians think Ukraine will try to shoot the bridge with AMRAAMs? There's a lot of smoothbrains here. In order to shoot at something, you have to KNOW it's there first. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20998/SARImagery_jpg-2472992.JPG That's an image from a commercial radar satellite showing what appears to be a pontoon bridge at Kherson. Only now it appears that those dots are actually corner reflectors. There are multiple reasons for laying corner reflectors to make it look like a pontoon crossing is going on. I suspect that both sides (RU/UKR) are buying commercial imagery (visual and radar), due to a sheer lack of ISR/Surveillance assets five months in -- yes, everyone has commercial DJI level drones up the ass, but those can only really fly in clear(ish) weather. So, by using corner reflectors to fake a pontoon crossing across a river, you can cause the Ukrainians to: 1.) Use valuable ISR assets such as high level drones, or manned recon aircraft to check out the area of the fake crossing (and thus come in range of your antiaircraft assets. or 2.) Cause the Ukrainians to waste HIMARS rockets / Excalibur shells on prophylactic bombardment of the "crossing". It would have worked in 2005; or maybe 2008 before twitter and others got really big. Now, there's too much social media from everyone posting everything that stuff like this gets blown fast. Plus I'm betting that the Ukrainians have hundreds of intel personnel in that area with satphones telling them exactly what's up. A Russian probably can't take a piss without length (short) /girth (unimpressive) /stream density (weak) notes being passed back to Kyiv. I mean shit man - it's their own country and it's still absolutely chock full of Ukrainians. That's sort of what I was seeing online, people were taking photos of the Russians working on the bridge and the barges plus the photos of the reflectors. There is a Canadian satellite company with SAR that's giving Ukraine near real time SAR imagery, you could probably watch them deploy the reflectors lol. https://www.space.com/canada-satellite-imagery-for-ukraine-russia-invasion#:~:text=A%20Canadian%20aerospace%20company%20is,on%20Tuesday%20 A Canadian aerospace company is doing its part to help Ukraine fight off the Russian invasion. The Canadian government has granted MDA permission to collect satellite imagery of restricted areas of Ukraine using synthetic aperture radar (SAR), the Ontario-based company announced on Tuesday (March 8). "Images captured by MDA's SAR technology, which is unique for its ability to see through all weather and cloud conditions, will be merged and analyzed with other sources of imagery from commercial Earth observation companies to develop comprehensive near-real-time intelligence reports for Ukrainian government officials," MDA CEO Mike Greenley said in a statement(opens in new tab) on Tuesday. Another interesting article regarding sar and Ukraine. https://maxpolyakov.com/the-use-of-sar-satellites-in-ukraines-defense/ University of Texas professor Todd Humphreys estimates that there are about 50 commercial SAR satellites currently circling the sky over Ukraine on a regular basis. The intelligence information they collect directly affects the success of Ukraine’s defense, as it allows the Ukrainian military to predict the direction of possible armored assaults hours before they begin. As a result, Ukrainian forces have a chance to boost their defensive reserves in these areas. Intelligence information coming from SAR satellites is also used to coordinate the Bayraktar assault drones supplied to the Ukrainian military by Turkey. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:35:16 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: About that govt..... https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3582757-hawley-vows-to-vote-no-on-adding-sweden-and-finland-to-nato/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By blueballs: Originally Posted By R0N: The clips I have caught seem to have him asking questions like have we really thought this through, do we know the whole back story and what is the long term effects of our involvement Sure. There are legit questions in there and I'm sure Obama was right with the quote attributed to him" Never underestimate the ability of Biden to f things up." I have huge reservations about our leadership, corrupt politicians and the State Dept among other things. But, overall, Tucker seems to have taken an snarky pro Russian fascism frame of reference that isn't particularly honest. About that govt..... https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3582757-hawley-vows-to-vote-no-on-adding-sweden-and-finland-to-nato/ Let me see if I have this right. Hawley is opposed to allowing Finland and Sweden NATO membership because the US should be concentrating on China. WTF! He thinks Europe should be doing more to defend themselves. He seems to be missing the point that both Sweden and Finland have very robust military's, and allowing membership would be accomplishing the objective he is advocating. This guy is a douche canoe. I'm sure Rand Paul and all the other usual suspects will be marching in lock step. Once again, I'm perplexed by the anti-Ukrainian sentiment exhibited by some of these clowns. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:40:32 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: A couple of corner reflectors in a line isn't going to fool a decent SAR system that takes motion into account. Seriously - they can probably measure the rotational speed of the metal rims on the cars crossing the dang pontoon bridge from outside of Ukrainian airspace. US SAR/GMTI systems have absolutely insanely high accuracy and detail. A corner reflector will just come up on a display tagged as <>. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: A couple of corner reflectors in a line isn't going to fool a decent SAR system that takes motion into account. Seriously - they can probably measure the rotational speed of the metal rims on the cars crossing the dang pontoon bridge from outside of Ukrainian airspace. US SAR/GMTI systems have absolutely insanely high accuracy and detail. A corner reflector will just come up on a display tagged as <>. You're looking at this from the POV of a US Army Battalion Officer who has dozens of ISR assets ranging from F-35s down to US Army turboprop aircraft with SAR radars. RU and Ukraine don't have that "creamy" intel take. Remember that I just posted that it's likely that the Russians just have ONE radar satellite in orbit? It's likely they're forced to use commercial imagery to backfill for stuff they can't get. Plus I'm betting that the Ukrainians have hundreds of intel personnel in that area with satphones telling them exactly what's up. A Russian probably can't take a piss without length (short) /girth (unimpressive) /stream density (weak) notes being passed back to Kyiv. I mean shit man - it's their own country and it's still absolutely chock full of Ukrainians. There is also that. The Russians quite underestimated the partisan war. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:44:16 PM EST
[#48]
Enlarging NATO is a larger boon for Europe than its consequences hood or bad for the US. Idiots.
Also I think it’s unlikely that any western private satellite companies are doing business with Russia. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:45:26 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: I may the odd one out but most of the questions Tucker asks about our support in this war seem valid and should be answered instead of dismissing them as mere Russian propaganda The questions aren’t wrong and the answers are important but the manner and intent of his questioning is bullshit. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 3:49:46 PM EST
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