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Posted: 8/8/2022 2:34:47 PM EDT
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"The President of the United States approved the allocation of the next portion of military aid to Ukraine in the amount of $1 billion. The package includes:
-1,000 Javelin ATGMs -AT-4 disposable grenade launchers -75,000 155-mm artillery shells -20 120-mm mortars and 20,000 mines for them - Ammunition for HIMARS MLRS -Ammunition for the NASAMS air defense system -50 armored vehicles for medical units - C4 explosive, Claymore mines, engineering accessories for detonation -Medicine "In order to meet the growing needs of Ukraine on the battlefield, the United States will continue to work with allies and partners to provide the country with opportunities to change the situation," the Pentagon emphasized." |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 2:41:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: What companies make the software and the machines? It sounds as if all the engineering needed for production. Is western controlled. Is that right? People often day China wants the chip production technology from Taiwan. How useful is that without the western software and machines? The top tech (software and fab machines) is all western. ASML is based out of the Netherlands. Apparently China is capable of independently making last-gen chip fab machinery now (7nm), which does bring them up to the current mainstream production node, if not matching the 5nm and 3nm nodes used in the cutting edge stuff. Intel just started getting good yields on their native 10nm/7nm processes in the last year or so, while TSMC has been doing the 7nm since 2018 and has been ramping up on the 5/3 stuff, which requires the ASML EUV machines. It sounds like all we could do China if they start sending chips to Russia openly, is handicap them, but not completely cut them off, if they can homegrow 7nm now. 
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Posted: 8/8/2022 2:49:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: . . . It sounds like all we could do China if they start sending chips to Russia openly, is handicap them, but not completely cut them off, if they can homegrow 7nm now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: It sounds like all we could do China if they start sending chips to Russia openly, is handicap them, but not completely cut them off, if they can homegrow 7nm now. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 2:50:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Yea, it wouldn't be surprising if some of the stuff was already proof of concept or further. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I wonder if they told Raytheon to make a HARM for a Mig on the double. Yea, it wouldn't be surprising if some of the stuff was already proof of concept or further. That's probably exactly what happened, surprised its aircraft launched, potentially longer range that way. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 2:51:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: The top tech (software and fab machines) is all western. ASML is based out of the Netherlands. Apparently China is capable of independently making last-gen chip fab machinery now (7nm), which does bring them up to the current mainstream production node, if not matching the 5nm and 3nm nodes used in the cutting edge stuff. Intel just started getting good yields on their native 10nm/7nm processes in the last year or so, while TSMC has been doing the 7nm since 2018 and has been ramping up on the 5/3 stuff, which requires the ASML EUV machines. It sounds like all we could do China if they start sending chips to Russia openly, is handicap them, but not completely cut them off, if they can homegrow 7nm now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By torstin: What companies make the software and the machines? It sounds as if all the engineering needed for production. Is western controlled. Is that right? People often day China wants the chip production technology from Taiwan. How useful is that without the western software and machines? The top tech (software and fab machines) is all western. ASML is based out of the Netherlands. Apparently China is capable of independently making last-gen chip fab machinery now (7nm), which does bring them up to the current mainstream production node, if not matching the 5nm and 3nm nodes used in the cutting edge stuff. Intel just started getting good yields on their native 10nm/7nm processes in the last year or so, while TSMC has been doing the 7nm since 2018 and has been ramping up on the 5/3 stuff, which requires the ASML EUV machines. It sounds like all we could do China if they start sending chips to Russia openly, is handicap them, but not completely cut them off, if they can homegrow 7nm now. Edit. Standing in corner now. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 2:52:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: This is a joke, right? @jungatheart. I’m no expert but I’ve read the Chinese try to copy the Russian engines but cannot duplicate the metallurgy so the engines don’t last as long as they should. So yes, Russia supplies the engines for their unlicensed copies of Slav shit. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 2:53:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Haub]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Looks like they are fortifying it too, https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3545100-russians-mined-zaporizhzhia-npp-power-units-ukrainian-intelligence-confirms.html Ukrainian intelligence confirms that the Russian army mined the power units of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. "The IAEA, the UN, and all other bodies do not control the situation at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. Moreover, international investigations were conducted and made public, clearly showing how the Russians transport weapons, equipment and explosives into the territory of power units. There is confirmed information stating that the Russian occupying forces laid mines at the power units of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar," Andriy Yusov, a representative of the press service of the Chief Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, confirmed the information about the laying of mines, the press service of the Energoatom company informs. He emphasized that the whole world should sound the alarm to stop the possible repetition of various scenarios – one of which is the repetition of "nuclear Olenivka". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Prime: https://ria.ru/20220808/aes-1807966989.html Two units of the Zaporizhzhya NPP after shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not work at full capacity SIMFEROPOL, Aug 8 - RIA Novosti. Two power units are not operating at full capacity at the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant after shelling of its territory by Ukrainian troops, Reported Head of the Administration of Zaporizhzhya region Yevhen Balitsky. "The station is in normal mode, two reactors are not operating at full capacity, today they are controlled by Russian structures in cooperation with the station's employees," Balitsky said on the Rossiya 24 TV channel. https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/35945 A HIMARS strike damaged a railway track near the bridge near the Kakhovskaya HPP. The roadbed was also damaged, the Russian Pantsir air defense system was destroyed. The accuracy of the strikes is simply incredible! Looks like they are fortifying it too, https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3545100-russians-mined-zaporizhzhia-npp-power-units-ukrainian-intelligence-confirms.html Ukrainian intelligence confirms that the Russian army mined the power units of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. "The IAEA, the UN, and all other bodies do not control the situation at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. Moreover, international investigations were conducted and made public, clearly showing how the Russians transport weapons, equipment and explosives into the territory of power units. There is confirmed information stating that the Russian occupying forces laid mines at the power units of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar," Andriy Yusov, a representative of the press service of the Chief Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, confirmed the information about the laying of mines, the press service of the Energoatom company informs. He emphasized that the whole world should sound the alarm to stop the possible repetition of various scenarios – one of which is the repetition of "nuclear Olenivka". It almost seems like now would be the time to send in some multi-national SF to infiltrate and clear out the russian stronghold at ZNPP. Of course, the plant is probably too big and too dangerous to take and hold for the Ukrainians. Zaporizhzihia NPP might as well be the orc's nuclear Azovstal. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 2:54:54 PM EDT
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"Ukrainian Tanks, Artillery Defy Russian Forces Near Bakhmut"
 Ukrainian Tanks, Artillery Defy Russian Forces Near Bakhmut |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 2:59:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: What is up with the animal head mounts on the tank? |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:05:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: China and the US are intertwined in a way that makes *both* of us vulnerable. The difference is that for the US it's an economic bump but for China it's existential. We will have serious economic issues (and probably a depression) due to lack of supply for vital industries but China will cease to exist if its primary export market disappears AND we manage to blockade imports/exports. Many people thought before WWI that these intertwinings would prevent war because no matter who won everyone lost - read "The Great Illusion" for details. But in the end war came - and sure enough everyone in continental Europe lost. If the US can become self-sufficient in semiconductors over the next 5 years it will go a long way into reducing our dependance on China. China really can't create new and larger markets for rubber dogshit. Personally I think if we just hold the course of on-shoring vital tech and wait for 5-10 years China will cease to be an issue. What about the medicines they make for us? Or the rare earth minerals needed for things like lithium batteries etc? It’s not just microchips we aren’t currently able to produce |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:13:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: BS. They have the capability to produce missiles. Limited numbers and limited capabilities maybe, but it's not like they're reduced to spears and slings. Missile technology predates micro circuitry. Of course, guided missiles with utility in a high-tech war might be a bigger problem.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By lorazepam: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZlcEwWXwAAdbi_?format=jpg&name=medium BS. They have the capability to produce missiles. Limited numbers and limited capabilities maybe, but it's not like they're reduced to spears and slings. Missile technology predates micro circuitry. Of course, guided missiles with utility in a high-tech war might be a bigger problem. I'm not convinced they do. Most of their older technology has been out of production so long, they don't even know how to make them any more. For their newer stuff, they can't produce that because they can't get the electronic components to build the guidance systems. They still have a bunch of missiles in warehouses but I seriously doubt they are able to make any more. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:13:44 PM EDT
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Taiwan manufactures and exports two thirds of the semiconductors for the world.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:15:23 PM EDT
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UA Brigadier visiting the front lines around Kharkiv. Week old vid so it may have already been posted.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:20:35 PM EDT
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"Russia's war effort hampered by tighter export controls, report says." | BBC News  Russia’s war effort hampered by tighter export controls, report says - BBC News |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:29:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Maybe no surprise to anyone, but it looks like a huge chunk of "Ukraine Aid" is money for us to replenish our own supplies we send them, money for them to buy weapons from us, money for their economy, and the rest is enough to prevent the russians from further going into Ukraine.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkgRJqij4kHis interpretation of the bills cost breakdowns and purpose is flawed. For example, he seems to think that us providing intel to Ukraine will not impact their war effort.  The other thing he missed is that there are timeframes for each of these categories. For example, the funding for the "permanent" stationing of troops is Europe is stretched out over 10 years. He also missed the fact that having those troops there directly helps with getting the US military and other aid get to Ukraine (via Poland, for example). I'm not seeing a problem with tracking the cost to replace what is sent to Ukraine. In theory, those weapons were acquired to satisfy a particular set of needs DoD has stated. So, since they are still "needed", then we should be replacing them. It's also not clear whether the aid given to Ukraine to buy US weapons is to buy US weapons already produced or whether they have to get in line on the production schedule for some future date. The US does both for other countries. I also have to wonder about money for their "economy". I have a suspicion that is self-serving as well. For example, maybe we "help their economy" by buying a bunch of titanium that we'd otherwise have to get from Russia. I'm generally OK with cutting Russia and China off as far as our money goes since that would help Ukraine and us both. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:31:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Squatch: Lower left...that appears to be very old. Look at how much rust there is on the exposed metal. With high carbon steel that can rust like that over night in some conditions, especially if it's been heated. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:33:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NY12ga: What about the medicines they make for us? Or the rare earth minerals needed for things like lithium batteries etc? It's not just microchips we aren't currently able to produce Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NY12ga: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: China and the US are intertwined in a way that makes *both* of us vulnerable. The difference is that for the US it's an economic bump but for China it's existential. We will have serious economic issues (and probably a depression) due to lack of supply for vital industries but China will cease to exist if its primary export market disappears AND we manage to blockade imports/exports. Many people thought before WWI that these intertwinings would prevent war because no matter who won everyone lost - read "The Great Illusion" for details. But in the end war came - and sure enough everyone in continental Europe lost. If the US can become self-sufficient in semiconductors over the next 5 years it will go a long way into reducing our dependance on China. China really can't create new and larger markets for rubber dogshit. Personally I think if we just hold the course of on-shoring vital tech and wait for 5-10 years China will cease to be an issue. What about the medicines they make for us? Or the rare earth minerals needed for things like lithium batteries etc? It's not just microchips we aren't currently able to produce China's authoritarian system survives because of an implicit contract between the educated middle class / oligarchs and the CCP. As long as the wealth and security continue they will stay out of politics and let the CCP run things as they see fit. When that fails the CCP will find that they have very little support since almost no one in China actually believes in Communism as a millennial political system at this point. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:36:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Glock63]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NY12ga: What about the medicines they make for us? Or the rare earth minerals needed for things like lithium batteries etc? It’s not just microchips we aren’t currently able to produce All of that can be made or mined here and elsewhere other than China. There's no shortage of lithium. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:44:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Another drone grenade hit. This one is a kind of a tough watch. Yes, the invader is suffering the consequences of his actions. But it’s still a poor average bloke gasping out his life, flat on his back, all for a totally unnecessary war that had nothing to do with him. I hope justice is done to the people responsible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke7EfiIvQJQSo much waste and tragedy in this stupid war. Russia lost but a whole lot of people have to suffer and die still. That guy may have been the only decent dude in the whole Company. Maybe the whole BTG. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:51:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: One thing that occured to me - allegedly HARM is now in Ukraine. That means they’ve found a way to hang and launch it from a Mig-29, or SU-24/25/27. What else is in Ukraine that’s air-launched? HARPOON. If they can adapt for HARM they can adapt for HARPOON. My guess is that the SU-24 and SU-27 could carry at least one HARPOON. Maybe the Mig-29 on the centerline. It should be considered within the realm of possible now for Ukraine to stage an ASM strike anywhere in the western and southern Black Sea. What "cannot happen" in a peacetime military bureaucracy has little bearing on what is expediently possible in a war for survival. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 4:00:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: What "cannot happen" in a peacetime military bureaucracy has little bearing on what is expediently possible in a war for survival. Both the Su-27 and Mig-29 have had MIL-STD 1553 interfaces integrated for decades now, so somebody probably jiggered up an adapter plug, if one was needed, and created a patch to the HARM and possibly the aircraft stores management software to allow it to function. It might not even be fully functional (as to mode select), but could be locked into "seek after launch" mode, but still able to be armed and command fired from the Soviet platform. The heavy lifting might already have been done by one of the former Soviet states that flies or flew Mig-29 or Su-27, and now field western aircraft and systems: Poland, Czechia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, etc. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 4:10:26 PM EDT
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I love field modifications.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 4:33:43 PM EDT
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Video of successful Rus strike on US supplied HIMARS.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 4:43:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2022 4:45:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Video of successful Rus strike on US supplied HIMARS.
Finally, some credible evidence! |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 4:46:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2022 5:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Yea, it wouldn't be surprising if some of the stuff was already proof of concept or further.  (reference to my posts much much earlier in this thread)Cool that Ukraine has HARMs now. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 5:27:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: @jungatheart. I’m no expert but I’ve read the Chinese try to copy the Russian engines but cannot duplicate the metallurgy so the engines don’t last as long as they should. So yes, Russia supplies the engines for their unlicensed copies of Slav shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By jungatheart: This is a joke, right? @jungatheart. I’m no expert but I’ve read the Chinese try to copy the Russian engines but cannot duplicate the metallurgy so the engines don’t last as long as they should. So yes, Russia supplies the engines for their unlicensed copies of Slav shit. Mono crystalline turbine blades. I think the Chinese can copy the metallurgy. But the manufacturing process of creating a single crystal turbine blade isn't something the Chinese are able to pull off at the moment. Without that crystalline structure Chinese engines can't run at the temperatures that US or European engines can manage. Though they are pouring lots of resources into this problem, for now the Russians do make somewhat better jet engines than the Chinese. It's really noticeable in the case of the J-20. When you see an F-15 or an F-16 take off it leaps off the ground. The J-20 struggles to get into the air like an elderly man trying to get up a flight of stairs. Despite the best efforts of Chinese espionage they cannot replicate engines like the GE-129 in most F-16s. Let alone something like the P&W F-135 in the F-35. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 5:47:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "The President of the United States approved the allocation of the next portion of military aid to Ukraine in the amount of $1 billion. The package includes: -1,000 Javelin ATGMs -AT-4 disposable grenade launchers -75,000 155-mm artillery shells -20 120-mm mortars and 20,000 mines for them - Ammunition for HIMARS MLRS -Ammunition for the NASAMS air defense system -50 armored vehicles for medical units - C4 explosive, Claymore mines, engineering accessories for detonation -Medicine "In order to meet the growing needs of Ukraine on the battlefield, the United States will continue to work with allies and partners to provide the country with opportunities to change the situation," the Pentagon emphasized." I'm not ex-military. Can someone explain how mines are deployed via mortars? Anti-armor or personnel. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 5:53:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: I'm not ex-military. Can someone explain how mines are deployed via mortars? Anti-armor or personnel. Like cluster bombs, but in this case it’s likely that they mean mortar bombs or mortar shells (standard ammunition) and not mines. The US doesn’t use a lot of mines anymore and for political reasons we are unlikely to send many to Ukraine. I don’t know if the US deploys mines by mortar. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 5:59:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: I'm not ex-military. Can someone explain how mines are deployed via mortars? Anti-armor or personnel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: Originally Posted By Dracster: "The President of the United States approved the allocation of the next portion of military aid to Ukraine in the amount of $1 billion. The package includes: -1,000 Javelin ATGMs -AT-4 disposable grenade launchers -75,000 155-mm artillery shells -20 120-mm mortars and 20,000 mines for them - Ammunition for HIMARS MLRS -Ammunition for the NASAMS air defense system -50 armored vehicles for medical units - C4 explosive, Claymore mines, engineering accessories for detonation -Medicine "In order to meet the growing needs of Ukraine on the battlefield, the United States will continue to work with allies and partners to provide the country with opportunities to change the situation," the Pentagon emphasized." I'm not ex-military. Can someone explain how mines are deployed via mortars? Anti-armor or personnel. They mean bombs/warhead.. artillery is often referenced as mines in foreign speak. Depends on what country. Mines= generic word for anything that goes boom |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Video of successful Rus strike on US supplied HIMARS.
They will get one eventually. It's war. But dont jinx us. The HIMARS have a LOT of work left to do. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:03:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: They mean bombs/warhead.. artillery is often referenced as mines in foreign speak. Depends on what country. Mines= generic word for anything that goes boom Used to be "torpedoes" as in the phrase "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" was in reference to sea mines. I also saw that reference to 20,000 mines for the mortars and assumes they meant shells or rounds. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:06:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: They mean bombs/warhead.. artillery is often referenced as mines in foreign speak. Depends on what country. Mines= generic word for anything that goes boom Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By kpacman: Originally Posted By Dracster: "The President of the United States approved the allocation of the next portion of military aid to Ukraine in the amount of $1 billion. The package includes: -1,000 Javelin ATGMs -AT-4 disposable grenade launchers -75,000 155-mm artillery shells -20 120-mm mortars and 20,000 mines for them - Ammunition for HIMARS MLRS -Ammunition for the NASAMS air defense system -50 armored vehicles for medical units - C4 explosive, Claymore mines, engineering accessories for detonation -Medicine "In order to meet the growing needs of Ukraine on the battlefield, the United States will continue to work with allies and partners to provide the country with opportunities to change the situation," the Pentagon emphasized." I'm not ex-military. Can someone explain how mines are deployed via mortars? Anti-armor or personnel. They mean bombs/warhead.. artillery is often referenced as mines in foreign speak. Depends on what country. Mines= generic word for anything that goes boom Thanks. I thought shells would be the term used. I'm stunned at what I've seen and learned regarding military weapons and capabilities in this conflict. Wouldn't surprise me at all that mines would be deployed using mortars. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:16:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: theskuh]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: Thanks. I thought shells would be the term used. I'm stunned at what I've seen and learned regarding military weapons and capabilities in this conflict. Wouldn't surprise me at all that mines would be deployed using mortars. Or drones. Fly an efp out and let it sit with its own little solar panel until something comes by. Probably too heavy but who knows anymore. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:17:56 PM EDT
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The HARM system and its predecessors are not exactly “new;” the concept was combat proven in Vietnam against primarily Russian SAM systems:
History from open source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM Also, it was developed to be carried by a number of US .mil aircraft, but the article does not mention any foreign airframes: (from Wiki): “A smokeless, solid-propellant, booster-sustainer rocket motor propels the missile at speeds over Mach 2.0. The HARM missile was a program led by the U.S. Navy, and it was first carried by the A-6E, A-7, and F/A-18A/B aircraft, and then it equipped the EA-6B aircraft. RDT&E for use on the F-14 aircraft was begun, but not completed. The U.S. Air Force (USAF) put the HARM onto the F-4G Wild Weasel aircraft, and later on specialized F-16s equipped with the HARM Targeting System (HTS). The HTS pod, used by the USAF only, allows F-16s to detect and automatically target radar systems with HARMs instead of relying on the missile's sensors alone.” But consider: the Iron Curtain fell in 1989, and several former Warsaw Pact countries are now in both NATO and the EU - including the Czechs, the Poles, and the Slovaks. Maybe they figured out a way to launch the HARM from one of their airframes? Aren’t there some French or Brit jets that were sold off to former Warsaw Pact countries? (Just speculating here. Could also be Russian deception. Lies from Moscow are always a safe bet). |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:20:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YaNi05: A plot twist right on queue.
Damn y'all just beat me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YaNi05: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Some more info on the HARM.
Damn y'all just beat me. Gahh! I got beat by several pages! 
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:29:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: It depends on how serious we are about punishing them. If we slapped *real* import controls on Chinese exports to the USA we'd completely nuke their economy in 90 days. It would hurt is as well but the pain would be transitory. For China it would be terminal. Completely agree w/you. China has also done a good job nuking their own economy wrt their WuFlu response and subsequent export collapse. They are on the edge and we should just step back and let them take the fall. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:37:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Not a good judge depending on what residues were on that damage. I have a surplus folding entrenching shovel I use at the beach. After digging in the wet sand, the bare metal is always nice and shiny. The next morning everything that was shiny steel is now orange with rust. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Originally Posted By Squatch: Originally Posted By Dracster: "Another destroyed 155-mm howitzer M777 of the Ukrainian Armed Forces delivered from the USA." (The pics are from the same post but seem to show 2 different guns) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-08_06-22-43_jpg-2481490.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-08_06-22-45_jpg-2481491.JPG Lower left...that appears to be very old. Look at how much rust there is on the exposed metal. Not a good judge depending on what residues were on that damage. I have a surplus folding entrenching shovel I use at the beach. After digging in the wet sand, the bare metal is always nice and shiny. The next morning everything that was shiny steel is now orange with rust. I thought all the ones we shipped had a tow loop on the muzzle end. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:41:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: We effectively had a dry-run during the Wuhan Flu: transport and shipping was halted and delayed enough to give a good simulation. What we have learned is we are robust, they are not. Their economy is on the bubble right now of catastrophe - 20% youth unemployment, collapsing housing market taking down financial markets and consumer demand with it, cratered exports from new lockdowns in the name of Now is a great time to let them complete their errors. Xi may have to drum up a war to stay in power, Taiwan may be time. Conversely, we may have as great a military and technological edge on them as we will ever have going forward. If they want war, too, let them roll the dice IMO. If you haven't been keeping up on China, it's grim over there, this wag calling it "Xi's Great Leap Backward": https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/04/xi-china-unemployment-jobs-economy-crisis-youth-mao-great-leap-forward/ There was a decent Arfcom post a month or two back about a Chinese leak which exposed Beijing falsifying their own census data. IIRC, the Chinese essentially claimed to have something like 20 million more people than they have. Some of the Arfcom responses were “so what?” but I think the real meaning is: - Chinese demographics are far worse than they will ever let on. Their One Child Policy was too successful and now they don’t have enough people of the right ages to carry on for long. Russia is in worse shape demographically. Time is not on their side. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:41:28 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Babushka's need to get busy baking them poison pies. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZowBcCWAAEdGke?format=jpg&name=900x900 Babushka's need to get busy baking them poison pies. Or ribs, fried green tomatoes style. (Long pig) |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:44:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "The President of the United States approved the allocation of the next portion of military aid to Ukraine in the amount of $1 billion. The package includes: -1,000 Javelin ATGMs -AT-4 disposable grenade launchers -75,000 155-mm artillery shells -20 120-mm mortars and 20,000 mines for them - Ammunition for HIMARS MLRS -Ammunition for the NASAMS air defense system -50 armored vehicles for medical units - C4 explosive, Claymore mines, engineering accessories for detonation -Medicine "In order to meet the growing needs of Ukraine on the battlefield, the United States will continue to work with allies and partners to provide the country with opportunities to change the situation," the Pentagon emphasized." It only frustrates me that we aren't providing tanks and IFVs. Ukraine has to employ so.e armored thrusts in order to win. Russia isn't going to leave without mobile firepower over running them. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:47:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: Thanks. I thought shells would be the term used. I'm stunned at what I've seen and learned regarding military weapons and capabilities in this conflict. Wouldn't surprise me at all that mines would be deployed using mortars. Aircraft, artillery and rocket delivered mines would have been common in the late Cold War. The US largely withdrew those systems. Russia did not. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:48:30 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: It only frustrates me that we aren't providing tanks and IFVs. Ukraine has to employ so.e armored thrusts in order to win. Russia isn't going to leave without mobile firepower over running them. But Arf told me all you need is drones and javelins!!!! |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:03:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: Thanks. I thought shells would be the term used. I'm stunned at what I've seen and learned regarding military weapons and capabilities in this conflict. Wouldn't surprise me at all that mines would be deployed using mortars. I dont believe that anyone has used mortars to deliver mines. Mines delivered by tube artillery was more common. It was called FASCAM (Family of scatterable mines) The idea was if you built a minefield, and the OPFOR breached it, and kept going, if you could kill the engineer vehicles, and had some FOs hiding, you could "Re-seed" the minefield and raise hell. FASCAM worked best in a chokepoint. It was also why the engineer vehicles were the primary target. That thing at 37 seconds was called MOPMS and was a suitcase full of jack in the box mines. We trained with that piece of junk alot. I never heard of mortar/mines. The Brits called them bombs. We just called them rounds  Family of Scatterable Mines (FASCAM) |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:04:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I love field modifications.
It's already on the HARM wiki article that Ukraine is an operator of the missle lol |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:06:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZqC5-BWYAMFQ9C?format=jpg&name=900x900 [Mr.Burns]Excellent![/Mr.Burns] |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:10:32 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: But Arf told me all you need is drones and javelins!!!! Drones can be as effective as mortar fire. Seeing the ones that are carrying 10 bombs, and how accurate they have become is truly impressive. I am sure they are doing things they are not showing that will have us saying holy crap. They have more tanks now than when this started. Everyone and their brother has sent armored transport. They pretty much didn't have a military in 2014, I think they are doing pretty well at this point. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:14:06 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: I never heard of mortar/mines. The Brits called them bombs. We just called them rounds In russian and Ukrainian they are called mines. A mortar is a mine thrower, literally |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:17:53 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: I dont believe that anyone has used mortars to deliver mines. Mines delivered by tube artillery was more common. There’s an 82mm mortar round to deliver PFM-1 mines per google. Not much on it. |
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