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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:18:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Video of successful Rus strike on US supplied HIMARS.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:18:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Drones can be as effective as mortar fire. Seeing the ones that are carrying 10 bombs, and how accurate they have become is truly impressive. I am sure they are doing things they are not showing that will have us saying holy crap. They have more tanks now than when this started. Everyone and their brother has sent armored transport. They pretty much didn't have a military in 2014, I think they are doing pretty well at this point. They are doing pretty good on the equipment front. Most of it is 40 years off it’s peak but that’s true for Russia too. Point is you still need an armored force to break a line and advance. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:19:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: I never heard of mortar/mines. The Brits called them bombs. We just called them rounds Heavy German trench mortars in WWI were called Minenwerfer |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:31:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Mono crystalline turbine blades. I think the Chinese can copy the metallurgy. But the manufacturing process of creating a single crystal turbine blade isn't something the Chinese are able to pull off at the moment. Without that crystalline structure Chinese engines can't run at the temperatures that US or European engines can manage. Though they are pouring lots of resources into this problem, for now the Russians do make somewhat better jet engines than the Chinese. It's really noticeable in the case of the J-20. When you see an F-15 or an F-16 take off it leaps off the ground. The J-20 struggles to get into the air like an elderly man trying to get up a flight of stairs. Despite the best efforts of Chinese espionage they cannot replicate engines like the GE-129 in most F-16s. Let alone something like the P&W F-135 in the F-35. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By jungatheart: This is a joke, right? @jungatheart. I’m no expert but I’ve read the Chinese try to copy the Russian engines but cannot duplicate the metallurgy so the engines don’t last as long as they should. So yes, Russia supplies the engines for their unlicensed copies of Slav shit. Mono crystalline turbine blades. I think the Chinese can copy the metallurgy. But the manufacturing process of creating a single crystal turbine blade isn't something the Chinese are able to pull off at the moment. Without that crystalline structure Chinese engines can't run at the temperatures that US or European engines can manage. Though they are pouring lots of resources into this problem, for now the Russians do make somewhat better jet engines than the Chinese. It's really noticeable in the case of the J-20. When you see an F-15 or an F-16 take off it leaps off the ground. The J-20 struggles to get into the air like an elderly man trying to get up a flight of stairs. Despite the best efforts of Chinese espionage they cannot replicate engines like the GE-129 in most F-16s. Let alone something like the P&W F-135 in the F-35. And once we are fielding adaptive engines, we will go back to being 2-3 generations ahead. NGAD super long range strike fighter, anyone? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:39:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendelsbane: And once we are fielding adaptive engines, we will go back to being 2-3 generations ahead. NGAD super long range strike fighter, anyone? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendelsbane: Originally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By jungatheart: This is a joke, right? @jungatheart. I’m no expert but I’ve read the Chinese try to copy the Russian engines but cannot duplicate the metallurgy so the engines don’t last as long as they should. So yes, Russia supplies the engines for their unlicensed copies of Slav shit. Mono crystalline turbine blades. I think the Chinese can copy the metallurgy. But the manufacturing process of creating a single crystal turbine blade isn't something the Chinese are able to pull off at the moment. Without that crystalline structure Chinese engines can't run at the temperatures that US or European engines can manage. Though they are pouring lots of resources into this problem, for now the Russians do make somewhat better jet engines than the Chinese. It's really noticeable in the case of the J-20. When you see an F-15 or an F-16 take off it leaps off the ground. The J-20 struggles to get into the air like an elderly man trying to get up a flight of stairs. Despite the best efforts of Chinese espionage they cannot replicate engines like the GE-129 in most F-16s. Let alone something like the P&W F-135 in the F-35. And once we are fielding adaptive engines, we will go back to being 2-3 generations ahead. NGAD super long range strike fighter, anyone? Adaptive cycle engines with rotating detonation augmentors? |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:49:47 PM EDT
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I really wonder if the Migs and Sukhois that live in NV were used to adapt the HARM to fit Ukrainian platforms.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:19:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: Adaptive cycle engines with rotating detonation augmentors? I don’t know. The articles I’m finding mostly talk about variable bypass ratios. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:20:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: YaNi05]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: I really wonder if the Migs and Sukhois that live in NV were used to adapt the HARM to fit Ukrainian platforms. It makes much more sense that we gave them Kh-58 or Kh-31, which could be fired by their current soviet aircraft. I just don't see anyone adapting HARM to be fired from old soviet crates. All the NATO former eastern bloc countries are slowly adapting to western aircraft (mainly F-16 / F-35), so that doesn't give them much incentive when their new platforms have native support. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:30:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Star_Scream]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YaNi05: I still don't think they're actually employing AGM-88 fired from soviet aircraft. The only evidence it even exists in Ukraine is one supposed fin posted on twitter with no date or location. And the statement from the US said that we gave them 'anti-radiation missiles', not specifically HARM. It makes much more sense that we gave them Kh-58 or Kh-31, which could be fired by their current soviet aircraft. I just don't see anyone adapting HARM to be fired from old soviet crates. All the NATO former eastern bloc countries are slowly adapting to western aircraft (mainly F-16 / F-35), so that doesn't give them much incentive when their new platforms have native support. That makes a lot of sense. But my wild fantasies of the Red Eagles being used as a development group sound more fun |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:35:26 PM EDT
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If you look at the list of operators for Soviet ARMs the only one that overlaps with our sphere of influence is Poland, and if they provided them I assume it would be in their package and not ours.
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LA, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:42:20 PM EDT
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Some interesting thoughts about Russia/ Ukrainian and the world in general. I’m having a hard time separating what I think or wishes from just facts. I also think he is part of the swamp to some degree but it’s another data point to consider. Besides the first 10 minutes or so the next 70-80 minutes are mostly about Ukraine.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1MfT1hrogKow5wkTmiY85C?si=bVX-GC22TQWS5zYjewpSuQ |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:55:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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ISW assessment for August 8th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-8 Russian journalist and milblogger Evgeniy Poddubniy claimed on August 7 that Ukrainian forces are continually forming new brigades in Kharkiv Oblast despite continuous Russian strikes and projected that this force generation shows that Ukrainian forces can simultaneously conduct advances in the Kherson direction and in Kharkiv Oblast.[ |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:05:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: They will get one eventually. It's war. But dont jinx us. The HIMARS have a LOT of work left to do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By elcope: Video of successful Rus strike on US supplied HIMARS.
They will get one eventually. It's war. But dont jinx us. The HIMARS have a LOT of work left to do. Ever since Ukraine got HIMARS I’ve thought it would be a great opportunity for a flak trap. Troll a HIMARS (or a fake HIMARS) around close enough to the lines to make the Russians think they can send over a helicopter raid to get it. Put 2-3 Gepards and all the manpads you can spare in the area. Profit. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:07:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Ever since Ukraine got HIMARS I’ve thought it would be a great opportunity for a flak trap. Troll a HIMARS (or a fake HIMARS) around close enough to the lines to make the Russians think they can send over a helicopter raid to get it. Put 2-3 Gepards and all the manpads you can spare in the area. Profit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By elcope: Video of successful Rus strike on US supplied HIMARS.
They will get one eventually. It's war. But dont jinx us. The HIMARS have a LOT of work left to do. Ever since Ukraine got HIMARS I’ve thought it would be a great opportunity for a flak trap. Troll a HIMARS (or a fake HIMARS) around close enough to the lines to make the Russians think they can send over a helicopter raid to get it. Put 2-3 Gepards and all the manpads you can spare in the area. Profit. I've been thinking the same thing, every Russian air asset wants those, you can bait them with a fake HIMARS and a bunch of real air defense systems escorting it. 
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:13:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dominion21]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "Ukrainian Tanks, Artillery Defy Russian Forces Near Bakhmut"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwXxG_y_YVsThat appears to be a Russian 100mm anti tank gun. They supposedly all jump like that when fired. I can’t imaging the longevity is great on those. Wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_mm_anti-tank_gun_T-12 |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I've been thinking the same thing, every Russian air asset wants those, you can bait them with a fake HIMARS and a bunch of real air defense systems escorting it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By elcope: Video of successful Rus strike on US supplied HIMARS.
They will get one eventually. It's war. But dont jinx us. The HIMARS have a LOT of work left to do. Ever since Ukraine got HIMARS I’ve thought it would be a great opportunity for a flak trap. Troll a HIMARS (or a fake HIMARS) around close enough to the lines to make the Russians think they can send over a helicopter raid to get it. Put 2-3 Gepards and all the manpads you can spare in the area. Profit. I've been thinking the same thing, every Russian air asset wants those, you can bait them with a fake HIMARS and a bunch of real air defense systems escorting it. Not a bad idea. That would be like putting a piece of pussy in from of a 16 year old. It would make them instantly stupid and prone to mistakes. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:25:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: FIRMS 6 minutes ago.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZp2AuVWQAUp4K4?format=jpg&name=900x900 It looks awful quiet up there by Kharkiv/Izuim  |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:26:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Ever since Ukraine got HIMARS I’ve thought it would be a great opportunity for a flak trap. Troll a HIMARS (or a fake HIMARS) around close enough to the lines to make the Russians think they can send over a helicopter raid to get it. Put 2-3 Gepards and all the manpads you can spare in the area. Profit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By elcope: Video of successful Rus strike on US supplied HIMARS.
They will get one eventually. It's war. But dont jinx us. The HIMARS have a LOT of work left to do. Ever since Ukraine got HIMARS I’ve thought it would be a great opportunity for a flak trap. Troll a HIMARS (or a fake HIMARS) around close enough to the lines to make the Russians think they can send over a helicopter raid to get it. Put 2-3 Gepards and all the manpads you can spare in the area. Profit. Fake inflatable HIMARS should outnumber actual HIMARS in Ukraine. And yes, use them to set traps for Russian aircraft. How do we fund the purchase of an inflatable HIMARS for the Ukrainians? Basically a glorified kids bouncy-house; it can’t cost that much. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:36:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glock63: All of that can be made or mined here and elsewhere other than China. There's no shortage of lithium. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glock63: Originally Posted By NY12ga: What about the medicines they make for us? Or the rare earth minerals needed for things like lithium batteries etc? It’s not just microchips we aren’t currently able to produce All of that can be made or mined here and elsewhere other than China. There's no shortage of lithium. Yes. Onshoring/reshoring is taking place, albeit a bit hampered by the current labor market. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:36:21 PM EDT
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As Many as 80,000 Russian Troops Hurt or Killed in Ukraine, Pentagon Says
https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-many-as-80-000-russian-troops-hurt-or-killed-in-ukraine-pentagon-says-11659989514 WASHINGTON—As many as 80,000 Russian troops have been wounded or killed in less than six months of fighting in Ukraine, the Pentagon said Monday, the first time the U.S. military announced its estimates of the toll of the invasion on Russia.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Ever since Ukraine got HIMARS I’ve thought it would be a great opportunity for a flak trap. Troll a HIMARS (or a fake HIMARS) around close enough to the lines to make the Russians think they can send over a helicopter raid to get it. Put 2-3 Gepards and all the manpads you can spare in the area. Profit. Ukranians will be in tree stands with Javelins overlooking a cardboard cutout of himars out in an open field. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:45:14 PM EDT
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Hmmmmm and people were losing their shit at my estimate of 100,000 the other day.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:00:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Hmmmmm and people were losing their shit at my estimate of 100,000 the other day. I don't think anyone in this thread was doing that. Personally, I think it might be a little higher than that. Is it the same people that keep complaining about each twice monthly aid package that's delivered as if it was additional money on top of the 40 billion in aid promised in May? I think they misunderstand how some of that works. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:09:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RunnngCircles: In russian and Ukrainian they are called mines. A mortar is a mine thrower, literally Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RunnngCircles: Originally Posted By CharlieR: I never heard of mortar/mines. The Brits called them bombs. We just called them rounds In russian and Ukrainian they are called mines. A mortar is a mine thrower, literally I explained that earlier but it didn't sink in. Many are literally thinking it's mortar launched land mines lol |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:14:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dominion21]
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The Russian Federation’s population stands at 143,054,637 (and dropping).
This is how their population by age looks:  Russia’s total fertility rate as of 2019 is 1.50. From wiki (Russian military): The number of personnel is specified by decree of the President of Russia. On 1 January 2008, a number of 2,019,629 units, including military of 1,134,800 units, was set.[18] In 2010 the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) estimated that the Russian Armed Forces numbered about 1,027,000 active troops and in the region of 2,035,000 reserves (largely ex-conscripts).[19] As opposed to personnel specified by decree, actual personnel numbers on the payroll was reported by the Audit Chamber of Russia as 766,000 in October 2013.[20][21] Due to corruption in the Russian military, officers at many levels exaggerate the number of actual soldiers under their command, in order to skim the salaries of “ghost soldiers.” They won’t be able to rebuild their army after the losses they have taken. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:14:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I explained that earlier but it didn't sink in. Many are literally thinking it's mortar launched land mines lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By RunnngCircles: Originally Posted By CharlieR: I never heard of mortar/mines. The Brits called them bombs. We just called them rounds In russian and Ukrainian they are called mines. A mortar is a mine thrower, literally I explained that earlier but it didn't sink in. Many are literally thinking it's mortar launched land mines lol I think they do have those or we were looking at the idea a few years back. Everything changed a few years back regarding submunitions and their reliability to explode. 120mm M984 round. From Jane's ammunition Handbook 2004 I'm guessing it's extinct now, but I can imagine what it could do with all those submunitions and mines. https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/120_mm_M984_extended-range_DPICM_mortar_round The 120 mm M984 extended-range DPICM mortar round was developed by the US Army Ordnance. It is a 120mm caliber mortar cluster munition that can carry a variety of payloads including either 54 M80 dual-purpose submunitions or six mines.[1] It can be optionally used with a range extending rocket in a tractor configuration which increases its range from 7.2 to around 12 kilometers.[1] As the United States has not ratified the Convention on Cluster Munitions, it is still in production. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:14:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I don't think anyone in this thread was doing that. Personally, I think it might be a little higher than that. Is it the same people that keep complaining about each twice monthly aid package that's delivered as if it was additional money on top of the 40 billion in aid promised in May? I think they misunderstand how some of that works. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Hmmmmm and people were losing their shit at my estimate of 100,000 the other day. I don't think anyone in this thread was doing that. Personally, I think it might be a little higher than that. Is it the same people that keep complaining about each twice monthly aid package that's delivered as if it was additional money on top of the 40 billion in aid promised in May? I think they misunderstand how some of that works. Yea you can't explain any of that to the regular GD folks, it's hard for them to understand basic math let alone have them actually read about that from the beginning when AID was approved for Ukraine. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:52:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: Adaptive cycle engines with rotating detonation augmentors? Is that like a turbo encabulator? I know that tech is a generation behind. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:54:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Is that like a turbo encabulator? I know that tech is a generation behind. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By castlebravo84: Adaptive cycle engines with rotating detonation augmentors? Is that like a turbo encabulator? I know that tech is a generation behind.  SANS ICS HyperEncabulator |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:03:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: The Russian Federation’s population stands at 143,054,637 (and dropping). This is how their population by age looks: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png Russia’s total fertility rate as of 2019 is 1.50. From wiki (Russian military): The number of personnel is specified by decree of the President of Russia. On 1 January 2008, a number of 2,019,629 units, including military of 1,134,800 units, was set.[18] In 2010 the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) estimated that the Russian Armed Forces numbered about 1,027,000 active troops and in the region of 2,035,000 reserves (largely ex-conscripts).[19] As opposed to personnel specified by decree, actual personnel numbers on the payroll was reported by the Audit Chamber of Russia as 766,000 in October 2013.[20][21] Due to corruption in the Russian military, officers at many levels exaggerate the number of actual soldiers under their command, in order to skim the salaries of “ghost soldiers.” They won’t be able to rebuild their army after the losses they have taken. Further, if you look at the graph, the peak fighting age happens to coincide with one of those narrower troughs where there are fewer males. They're gutting an already low population cohort. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:44:09 PM EDT
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Senior Commander of Putin's Elite Special Forces Killed in Ukraine
https://www.newsweek.com/senior-commander-russia-elite-special-forces-dead-ukraine-1731874 Lieutenant Colonel Nikolay Gorban, 36, head of the 4th Department of the Special Operations Department of Russia's Federal Security Service, was reportedly killed "somewhere in Ukraine on August 2," InformNapalm reporter Anton Pavlushko said in a Sunday Facebook post. The circumstances surrounding the death of Gorban, who reportedly fought in Syria and possessed two Medals of Courage, were not mentioned. Gorban was reportedly among Russian President Vladimir Putin's highest-ranking officials, according to Pavlushko. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 12:17:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: theskuh]
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CNN reporting that a defense official confirmed AGM-88's were sent to ukraine. So maybe they are actually launching them from the Soviet planes or they now have some F16s.
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Posted: 8/9/2022 12:25:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Yea you can't explain any of that to the regular GD folks, it's hard for them to understand basic math let alone have them actually read about that from the beginning when AID was approved for Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Hmmmmm and people were losing their shit at my estimate of 100,000 the other day. I don't think anyone in this thread was doing that. Personally, I think it might be a little higher than that. Is it the same people that keep complaining about each twice monthly aid package that's delivered as if it was additional money on top of the 40 billion in aid promised in May? I think they misunderstand how some of that works. Yea you can't explain any of that to the regular GD folks, it's hard for them to understand basic math let alone have them actually read about that from the beginning when AID was approved for Ukraine. Whaaat? You mean some people in GD can't comprehend simple things? Say it isn't so..... I'm very glad this thread has stayed on track for the vast majority of time. I'm not convinced we actually know what their real casualties are. The Russians don't keep track because they don't want to know. The Ukrainians can only guesstimate based on how many things they destroy and how many bodies they have to deal with. The number has to be pretty damn big, though. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 12:29:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: Actually they just released the hyper encabulator . . . man it's hard to keep up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nKk_-LvhzoOh that's great, I didn't know there was a new version. I've pasted the old videos into threads on auto forums many times. Thanks for the minor thread drift... ;) |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 12:51:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Whaaat? You mean some people in GD can't comprehend simple things? Say it isn't so..... I'm very glad this thread has stayed on track for the vast majority of time. I'm not convinced we actually know what their real casualties are. The Russians don't keep track because they don't want to know. The Ukrainians can only guesstimate based on how many things they destroy and how many bodies they have to deal with. The number has to be pretty damn big, though. I don't think there's an accurate way of knowing. There's no way of knowing how many Russians are dying from random arty/mortar rounds exploding in the woods, HIMARS strikes behind their lines, mines Ukrainians have laid out before giving up areas, etc. Also, I think it's safe to presume that Russian medical care is horrendous, which means many Russian soldiers are dying of wounds that should theoretically be survivable. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 12:56:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: I don't think there's an accurate way of knowing. There's no way of knowing how many Russians are dying from random arty/mortar rounds exploding in the woods, HIMARS strikes behind their lines, mines Ukrainians have laid out before giving up areas, etc. Also, I think it's safe to presume that Russian medical care is horrendous, which means many Russian soldiers are dying of wounds that should theoretically be survivable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By planemaker: Whaaat? You mean some people in GD can't comprehend simple things? Say it isn't so..... I'm very glad this thread has stayed on track for the vast majority of time. I'm not convinced we actually know what their real casualties are. The Russians don't keep track because they don't want to know. The Ukrainians can only guesstimate based on how many things they destroy and how many bodies they have to deal with. The number has to be pretty damn big, though. I don't think there's an accurate way of knowing. There's no way of knowing how many Russians are dying from random arty/mortar rounds exploding in the woods, HIMARS strikes behind their lines, mines Ukrainians have laid out before giving up areas, etc. Also, I think it's safe to presume that Russian medical care is horrendous, which means many Russian soldiers are dying of wounds that should theoretically be survivable. Agreed. And, from some of the videos we've seen, many times the soldiers who do get injured get left behind as their compatriots GTFOD. Probably only the lucky ones get medical care at all. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 2:05:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Agreed. And, from some of the videos we've seen, many times the soldiers who do get injured get left behind as their compatriots GTFOD. Probably only the lucky ones get medical care at all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By planemaker: Whaaat? You mean some people in GD can't comprehend simple things? Say it isn't so..... I'm very glad this thread has stayed on track for the vast majority of time. I'm not convinced we actually know what their real casualties are. The Russians don't keep track because they don't want to know. The Ukrainians can only guesstimate based on how many things they destroy and how many bodies they have to deal with. The number has to be pretty damn big, though. I don't think there's an accurate way of knowing. There's no way of knowing how many Russians are dying from random arty/mortar rounds exploding in the woods, HIMARS strikes behind their lines, mines Ukrainians have laid out before giving up areas, etc. Also, I think it's safe to presume that Russian medical care is horrendous, which means many Russian soldiers are dying of wounds that should theoretically be survivable. Agreed. And, from some of the videos we've seen, many times the soldiers who do get injured get left behind as their compatriots GTFOD. Probably only the lucky ones get medical care at all. It probably means the casualty rates are skewed but the overall casualty number may be close enough. Normally the KIA to WIA ratio is 1-3, so the Pentagon’s number would be 20K KIA and 60K WIA. The real number might be 40K KIA and 40K WIA because a more lot of the wounded die at some stage. I personally think it’s 50K KIA and over 50K WIA. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 2:38:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Freiheit8472]
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Pressure seems to be going up on Constantine. I’m shocked he’s still making YouTube videos… Speak The Truth had a clip the other day with the state propagandists railing against YouTube and vpns to watch YouTube.
If anyone isn’t familiar with him he’s a pro west guy who lived in the states, has an American ex wife, and two American kids  FEAR IS GROWING IN RUSSIA ETA: do you guys think I should delete this in case any trolls are notified and try to mess with him |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 2:40:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: CNN reporting that a defense official confirmed AGM-88's were sent to ukraine. So maybe they are actually launching them from the Soviet planes or they now have some F16s. Sort of sad CNN confirmed it, because now the Ruskies won’t leave their active radar on constantly. But whatever. Russia eventually realized Afghanistan was a failed hopeless mission. It must be dawning on them they cannot remain in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 4:15:53 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Sort of sad CNN confirmed it, because now the Ruskies won’t leave their active radar on constantly. ... Russian troops found the parts and made it known. The Russians knew they were being used before CNN. ;) Seriously though, I'm just not surprised about the news - the DoD spokeshumans* have been a little smug for months saying "We are sending HIMARS, x, y, z, AND some other cool things..." They have been hinting they were sending some good stuff on the DL for a while. * - I think that's the proper PC term nowadays. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 4:43:59 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Pressure seems to be going up on Constantine. I’m shocked he’s still making YouTube videos… Speak The Truth had a clip the other day with the state propagandists railing against YouTube and vpns to watch YouTube. If anyone isn’t familiar with him he’s a pro west guy who lived in the states, has an American ex wife, and two American kids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TTOzvwVC3QETA: do you guys think I should delete this in case any trolls are notified and try to mess with him Interesting and likeable guy. Reinforces my belief that most people in Russia are decent and want the same things as people everywhere else. I hope he survives in the new Russia and people like him can one day make it change. Some of the fears he was describing have been happening in Western countries as well. Not to the same extent since Russia does totalitarian shit at a different level...but people have been arrested in England and Canada, probably others, for offending people, "mis-gendering" them or whatever. The world has been changing and the pace seems to be increasing. At some point the fear, paranoia, animosity, hate feeds on itself and leads to some tough times. For all of us. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 4:46:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack67]
[#43]
Here is some new footage of damage on the Antonovsky Bridge. New footage, not new damage, I believe.
Here is a screen cap I made. You can see the penetration goes through the bottom of the box also, and you can see a transverse I-beam (white) below that (and water flowing in the video).  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 4:51:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Russian troops found the parts and made it known. The Russians knew they were being used before CNN. ;) Seriously though, I'm just not surprised about the news - the DoD spokeshumans* have been a little smug for months saying "We are sending HIMARS, x, y, z, AND some other cool things..." They have been hinting they were sending some good stuff on the DL for a while. * - I think that's the proper PC term nowadays. * What if they identify as a vegetable? Can that be far off?... Folks, including me, have been uncomfortable with the detailed list of stuff being sent to UA. I guess it was an attempt to maybe deter Russia in some naive way. But I'd rather hear about new exciting explody stuff from Russia themselves, showing fragments with comments like "our strong RU tank, bridge, etc stopped this fascist rocket with only minor secondary explosions and death caused from celebration only".. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 6:18:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#45]
Unusual anomaly, or a smoking accident. Or perhaps some of the Extended Range rounds for the HIMARS slipped in by accident.
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Posted: 8/9/2022 6:25:14 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Fake inflatable HIMARS should outnumber actual HIMARS in Ukraine. And yes, use them to set traps for Russian aircraft. How do we fund the purchase of an inflatable HIMARS for the Ukrainians? Basically a glorified kids bouncy-house; it can’t cost that much. Depends on the quality, with heaters for a realistic IR signature and reflectors for radar they are expensive, 60k and more for western tank models like M1 oder Leo 2. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 6:28:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By B5Sluggo: It looks awful quiet up there by Kharkiv/Izuim Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By B5Sluggo: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: FIRMS 6 minutes ago.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZp2AuVWQAUp4K4?format=jpg&name=900x900 It looks awful quiet up there by Kharkiv/Izuim Could be because of cloud cover blocking the detected fires, or as Igor Girkin has been complaining about, manpower issues where they don't have enough guys. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 6:29:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RunnngCircles: In russian and Ukrainian they are called mines. A mortar is a mine thrower, literally Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RunnngCircles: Originally Posted By CharlieR: I never heard of mortar/mines. The Brits called them bombs. We just called them rounds In russian and Ukrainian they are called mines. A mortar is a mine thrower, literally Not to delrail and not really classical mines but I always loved the Tornado's submunitions dispencer. I would love it (if a smaller version) could be strapped to a large US drone becuase that would be epic in this war  Panavia Tornado IDS MW 1(Mehrzweckwaffe 1, multipurpose weapon dispenser) |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 6:32:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2022 6:37:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Could be because of cloud cover blocking the detected fires, or as Igor Girkin has been complaining about, manpower issues where they don't have enough guys. Sounds that way. Meaning, for clarity, “not quiet”. Kharkiv region. August 9 ▪️Strikes on Kharkov again. Preliminary - rocket, type set by law enforcement officers. At night, at about 2:00 a.m., the enemy struck the Shevchenkivskyi and Industrial districts. In Shevchenkivskyi, the occupiers found no other target and damaged the hotel and restaurant complex. Another impact was recorded in an open area in the Industrial District, and elements of transport and critical infrastructure were damaged. There are no casualties.▪️Over the past day, the Russian occupiers shelled the settlements of Bohodukhiv, Chuhuiv, Kharkiv, Lozovsky and Izyum districts of the region. In Bohodukhiv district, a field with wheat was burning due to shelling, farmers personally extinguished a fire that destroyed 3 hectares of crop. In Chuhuivske , a warehouse with seeds was destroyed.🔺According to the Regional Center for Emergency Medical Care, during the day in the Kharkiv region, 1 person was killed by shelling by the occupiers, 5 civilians were injured. 1 dead and 1 wounded as a result of yesterday morning shelling of Kharkiv with MLRS. 4 people were hospitalized in the region: a 71-year-old woman in the Chuhuiv district, men aged 72 and 45 in the Dergachev community, and a 59-year-old man in Kutuzivka was injured. The condition of the two patients is serious. ▪️Active hostilities continue on the contact line. In the Kharkiv direction, the enemy shells the positions of our defenders with artillery and tanks, uses aviation. The Ukrainian military confidently holds its positions and strikes back.We believe in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and our victory! 🇺🇦 https://t.me/synegubov |
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