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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:13:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Most of these prisoners are Russia's dog shit of their Orc society Take the position and whenever possible surrender to UA. A POW is treated far better than what goes on in those RU prisons Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By Prime: Russia struggles to replenish its troops in Ukraine The prisoners at the penal colony in St. Petersburg were expecting a visit by officials, thinking it would be some sort of inspection. Instead, men in uniform arrived and offered them amnesty if they agreed to fight alongside the Russian army in Ukraine. Over the following days, about a dozen or so left the prison, according to a woman whose boyfriend is serving a sentence there. Speaking on condition of anonymity because she feared reprisals, she said her boyfriend wasn't among the volunteers, although with years left on his sentence, he "couldn't not think about it." As Russia continues to suffer losses in its invasion of Ukraine, now nearing its sixth month, the Kremlin has refused to announce a full-blown mobilization a move that could be very unpopular for President Vladimir Putin. That has led instead to a covert recruitment effort that includes using prisoners to make up the manpower shortage. This also is happening amid reports that hundreds of Russian soldiers are refusing to fight and trying to quit the military. Take the position and whenever possible surrender to UA. A POW is treated far better than what goes on in those RU prisons Just yesterday, the left leaning BBC news had a piece on rampant prison rape and torture in Russia. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:13:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Yes and no. Russia had a large lead in tank design until the mid 1980s until the advent of the m1 and Leopard 2. Heavy ERA and composite armor was pretty good. But, since then, the West has taken the lead and it shows. They do have some good stuff, but it's expensive to produce and they want to hold some of it back for nato and they aren't going to burn it all. Case in point, Iskanders. No, russia hasn't held their best back. We have seen every variant of tank and APC in the Ukrainian war so far with the exception of the T-14 series. The T90M was a late comer and still 2 have been lost. They're a gas station with an army and nukes. I think, with some exceptions, Russia's arms development stopped in the 1980's. I think for a time, Russia accepted that the West won the cold war and focused on other things, like corruption. They didnt invest much in arms because they didnt have to (and couldnt because they were broke as shit). NATO didnt invade after 1991 so all Russia had to contend with were Chechens and maybe China out East. They still had the most nukes so...Russian gear was always inferior to the US but not by the extreme extent we see today. Plus they had so much more quantity. The US kept up development because MIC and foreign sales. Then Iraq and DS#1, then Iran, Somalia, then 9/11 and the GWOT, now China...it's capitalism (always obsessed with making it better to sell more).vs communism (corrupt fascism and oligarchy). I have read, and I believe it, that during most of the cold war, the Warsaw Pact would have won a conventional ground war in Europe. Most likely in the 70's and early 80's it would have been rough. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:19:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: That’s a great comparison. Our fast and decisive victory over the Russian-equipped Iraqi army should have been universally accepted as proof of superiority of our weapons systems. But instead, I kept reading here on Arfcom about how the Iraqis only got “export versions of the T-72” and how our tanks would be evenly matched against “real” Russian tanks. Arfcom even coined the term “monkey models” to describe the exported tanks. I heard how the Russians allegedly held back the best for themselves (and today the Russians still promote the lie they did not send their best troops yet - just wait!). I heard the Russians had far more advanced weapons than we could ever make or invent. None of that is true. Russia is a paper tiger, with the exception of its nukes. But those are a doomsday option. Not even Putin is that crazy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By Aikibiker: Originally Posted By ludder093: I can't believe the effect the HIMARS are having. Far more effective than I expected. They have been fighting an essentially 1980's war. HIMARS is 21st century shit 40 years more advanced than any other system in its class in use by either side. Were you alive for the first gulf War to watch the USAF take apart the Iraqis with laser guided bombs? The pentagon would five a nightly briefing on the news with gun camera videos from the aircraft or video from the bombs and missiles themselves. We shredded them. HIMARS is giving the Ukrainians a similar ability, though with greatly reduced range, and the Russians have essentially the same stuff the Iraqis were using plus some cruise missiles. That’s a great comparison. Our fast and decisive victory over the Russian-equipped Iraqi army should have been universally accepted as proof of superiority of our weapons systems. But instead, I kept reading here on Arfcom about how the Iraqis only got “export versions of the T-72” and how our tanks would be evenly matched against “real” Russian tanks. Arfcom even coined the term “monkey models” to describe the exported tanks. I heard how the Russians allegedly held back the best for themselves (and today the Russians still promote the lie they did not send their best troops yet - just wait!). I heard the Russians had far more advanced weapons than we could ever make or invent. None of that is true. Russia is a paper tiger, with the exception of its nukes. But those are a doomsday option. Not even Putin is that crazy. Oh good, I'm not alone in thinking this. Don't forget the decade of Russian super "plasma stealth" aircraft, much better than American stealth aircraft. All Su-34's and Su-35's have it. 
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:23:32 AM EST
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 That top left SU-30 saw some shit. How it isn't a burning pile, I don't know. It looks like it was moved at least 10m from it's original spot. For sure a mobility kill. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:27:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: Dominion21]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Just wanted to respond to an earlier post talking about Germany during up its nukes: I wouldn't be too sure about that. Think about it this way: The population and politicians decided to pull the plug on your hyper-expensive plants some years ago, sticking you with huge losses. Now they are changing their minds. If you're an executive for a power company, would you be willing to take that risk only to have them change their mind on a whim again? Think Charlie Brown and Lucy pulling the football away... Agree - and my spouse and in laws are German. It’s hard for Americans to appreciate just how fanatical the German greens are when it comes to opposing anything “nuclear.” I personally believe the greens were heavily infiltrated by KGB trained plants for the decades leading up to 1989. It served Russia’s interests to turn Germans against NATO nuclear weapons, and a collateral victim was nuclear power. Ironically, nuclear power generation is near zero emissions, but the greens would rather burn coal to make power. The greens also hate big business (they are essentially Marxists) and would happily see companies fail. My in laws either support AfD or are mostly a-political. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:28:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: Balu]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It is epic damage, for those without Telegram stay tuned as I put up the photos. Before: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ0j6dVXkAMocYY?format=jpg&name=large After: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ0j6g5XkAAapW-?format=jpg&name=large Before: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ0j6dRWAAEIwg6?format=jpg&name=large After: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ0j6g3XkAArpPy?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ0kX0mXoAE1oO7?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ0ozwOX0AAiC6W?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ0pDx8WQAEtK1U?format=jpg&name=large Based on those images I count at least 17 destroyed aircraft and 3-4 destroyed support buildings (workshops or parts storage, or ammo storage). Probably more we just don't have more pictures. That's more destruction than I thought they'd achieve. Massive loss for the Russians both in terms of materiel and propaganda. ETA: just catching up with the thread. The loss of 60 pilots, assuming it's true, is by far the greatest damage inflicted by this strike. Aircraft are replaceable, not easily but still, but to train a new cadre of experienced pilots takes a decade at least. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:31:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Just wanted to respond to an earlier post talking about Germany during up its nukes: I wouldn't be too sure about that. Think about it this way: The population and politicians decided to pull the plug on your hyper-expensive plants some years ago, sticking you with huge losses. Now they are changing their minds. If you're an executive for a power company, would you be willing to take that risk only to have them change their mind on a whim again? Think Charlie Brown and Lucy pulling the football away... You certainly have a point, I'm hoping the energy companies in Germany are smart enough to force the government to give them guarantees that they won't pull the rug out from in under them though. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:33:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Thanks for that, sure looks like a crater, but the building is pretty intact, I would have expected some damage to it compared with the other craters and damage seen. I have so many questions about this weapon used. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dracster: There is a crater to the south of where that photo cuts off. It missed a large ammo bunker by 50 or so meters. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/Ukraine106_JPG-2484578.JPG Thanks for that, sure looks like a crater, but the building is pretty intact, I would have expected some damage to it compared with the other craters and damage seen. I have so many questions about this weapon used. Previous satellite image of the area  Attached FileThese are alleged to be infrared images of the area before and after  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:35:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Previous satellite image of the area https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/Saki_JPG-2484951.JPG These are alleged to be infrared images of the area before and after https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/SakiInfrared2_JPG-2484963.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/SakiInfrared1_JPG-2484964.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dracster: There is a crater to the south of where that photo cuts off. It missed a large ammo bunker by 50 or so meters. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/Ukraine106_JPG-2484578.JPG Thanks for that, sure looks like a crater, but the building is pretty intact, I would have expected some damage to it compared with the other craters and damage seen. I have so many questions about this weapon used. Previous satellite image of the area https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/Saki_JPG-2484951.JPG These are alleged to be infrared images of the area before and after https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/SakiInfrared2_JPG-2484963.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/SakiInfrared1_JPG-2484964.JPG And on that day, everything burned. Wow!Across from that ammo bunker, there was a huge hanger that's just disintigrated. The previous photos showed the A-50 parked near that area, so I'm wondering if they got it yet. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:40:28 AM EST
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:46:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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After near miss, guy runs to the vehicle and video cuts out.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:46:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CB1: so, the movie The Beast, where they depicted the guy drinking brake fluid was real?? holy fuck. That is worse than I imagined. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CB1: Originally Posted By Jozsi: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: . . . . Unlike the Russians, Ukrainians aren't fucking retarded. . . . I've really tried my best to avoid getting overly propagandized into an overly rosy view of the Ukrainians efforts in this war. I've tried to read Russian accounts, Russian Twitter feeds, and I even surf RT feeds occasionally. I really do try to not just suck on the SLAVA UKRANI feeds - because I want a realistic view of the outcome of this war. But as a human with basic common sense and enough tactical/strategic knowledge to play "Battleship" I'm constantly astounded by the sheer unmitigated incompetence of the Russian military. I'm just flat out flabbergasted constantly by the amateurish and downright idiotic decisions made by their command staff. At the pointy end, the actual execution of even the retarded plans of the RA General Staff are done in an entirely amateur and lackluster way. I'm flat out amazed by what I'm seeing - even the folks on the pro-Russian side are in disbelief. I grew up fearing the Sov/Russian soldier. I thought they were 8 foot tall and bullet-proof. And I'm pretty sure that the Red Army in the 80s was a formidable force that would have fought NATO tooth and claw and possibly even won. But the Russians, with their endemic corruption and lack of even the most basic sort of intelligence, have taken that legacy and destroyed it forever. Now even Ida Amin level dictators are probably sitting in their mud huts watching TV thinking "Even my most ignorant toilet paper boy knows not to store the planes and the bombs in the same spot. What airdefense doing? The Russians are so fucking stupid . . ." This entire situation is so surreal that it makes me really start to think that maybe we *do* live in a simulation. And the Russians are the AI enemies from Quake 1. You really really had NOTHING to fear..I was in the Hun army doing my 6 month conscription back in 1991. Most or all of anything remotely related to alcohol used in their various weapon systems was gone gone and depleted. I helped do logistics for the war reserve and we inherited a shit ton of soviet equipment. All of the maintenance supplies was gone and depleted and it wasn't taken back to Russia when they left. They drank that shit..they stole that shit.. They raided that shit... And then they replaced that shit with fake shit like those ERA plates we saw with egg cartons. That was real... I saw it in Hungary with the shit we got from the soviets. TLDR and those with add... Soviet forces were fucked in the 80s also... NATO v. Warsaw would have been over quickly. And this is my assessment serving in 2 armies.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:58:09 AM EST
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The number of tanks and IFV's getting knocked out daily, geez.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:00:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: And on that day, everything burned. Wow!Across from that ammo bunker, there was a huge hanger that's just disintigrated. The previous photos showed the A-50 parked near that area, so I'm wondering if they got it yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dracster: There is a crater to the south of where that photo cuts off. It missed a large ammo bunker by 50 or so meters. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/Ukraine106_JPG-2484578.JPG Thanks for that, sure looks like a crater, but the building is pretty intact, I would have expected some damage to it compared with the other craters and damage seen. I have so many questions about this weapon used. Previous satellite image of the area https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/Saki_JPG-2484951.JPG These are alleged to be infrared images of the area before and after https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/SakiInfrared2_JPG-2484963.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/SakiInfrared1_JPG-2484964.JPG And on that day, everything burned. Wow!Across from that ammo bunker, there was a huge hanger that's just disintigrated. The previous photos showed the A-50 parked near that area, so I'm wondering if they got it yet. I think the hanger had previously collapsed from shame and neglect. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:03:05 AM EST
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Russian complaining about how fast Ukrainian artillery is doing counterbattery on his forces in the East now, explains why their assaults are being blunted, and the tank and IFV kills recently.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:03:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: I think the hanger had previously collapsed from shame and neglect. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dracster: There is a crater to the south of where that photo cuts off. It missed a large ammo bunker by 50 or so meters. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/Ukraine106_JPG-2484578.JPG Thanks for that, sure looks like a crater, but the building is pretty intact, I would have expected some damage to it compared with the other craters and damage seen. I have so many questions about this weapon used. Previous satellite image of the area https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/Saki_JPG-2484951.JPG These are alleged to be infrared images of the area before and after https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/SakiInfrared2_JPG-2484963.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/SakiInfrared1_JPG-2484964.JPG And on that day, everything burned. Wow!Across from that ammo bunker, there was a huge hanger that's just disintigrated. The previous photos showed the A-50 parked near that area, so I'm wondering if they got it yet. I think the hanger had previously collapsed from shame and neglect. lol
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:04:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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I know he's correct on this. the ammo exploding would exaggerate the crater size, so the weapon used didn't have to be as big as they first thought.
 
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:15:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Oh good, I'm not alone in thinking this. Don't forget the decade of Russian super "plasma stealth" aircraft, much better than American stealth aircraft. All Su-34's and Su-35's have it. The "real deal" tanks were no more effective than the export models. The bullshit cope cages the Russians tried early on in this war tells us what we need to know about their technology and understanding of our technology. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:18:10 AM EST
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:19:13 AM EST
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:26:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Water queue in Mariupol https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-10_09-23-16_jpg-2484994.JPG How the fuck are civilians still living there?! Are they Russian transplants? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:28:49 AM EST
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"Shelling of Russian positions near Pisky."
 Обстріл російських позицій під Пісками. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:32:20 AM EST
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""We're fighting Russians 24/7" - former head of the Ukrainian Police at the positions near Bakhmut"
 «Ми стримуємо тут наступ росіян цілодобово» — ексголова нацполіції на позиціях під Бахмутом |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:39:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: That’s a great comparison. Our fast and decisive victory over the Russian-equipped Iraqi army should have been universally accepted as proof of superiority of our weapons systems. But instead, I kept reading here on Arfcom about how the Iraqis only got “export versions of the T-72” and how our tanks would be evenly matched against “real” Russian tanks. Arfcom even coined the term “monkey models” to describe the exported tanks. I heard how the Russians allegedly held back the best for themselves (and today the Russians still promote the lie they did not send their best troops yet - just wait!). I heard the Russians had far more advanced weapons than we could ever make or invent. None of that is true. Russia is a paper tiger, with the exception of its nukes. But those are a doomsday option. Not even Putin is that crazy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By Aikibiker: Originally Posted By ludder093: I can't believe the effect the HIMARS are having. Far more effective than I expected. They have been fighting an essentially 1980's war. HIMARS is 21st century shit 40 years more advanced than any other system in its class in use by either side. Were you alive for the first gulf War to watch the USAF take apart the Iraqis with laser guided bombs? The pentagon would five a nightly briefing on the news with gun camera videos from the aircraft or video from the bombs and missiles themselves. We shredded them. HIMARS is giving the Ukrainians a similar ability, though with greatly reduced range, and the Russians have essentially the same stuff the Iraqis were using plus some cruise missiles. That’s a great comparison. Our fast and decisive victory over the Russian-equipped Iraqi army should have been universally accepted as proof of superiority of our weapons systems. But instead, I kept reading here on Arfcom about how the Iraqis only got “export versions of the T-72” and how our tanks would be evenly matched against “real” Russian tanks. Arfcom even coined the term “monkey models” to describe the exported tanks. I heard how the Russians allegedly held back the best for themselves (and today the Russians still promote the lie they did not send their best troops yet - just wait!). I heard the Russians had far more advanced weapons than we could ever make or invent. None of that is true. Russia is a paper tiger, with the exception of its nukes. But those are a doomsday option. Not even Putin is that crazy. America has always had the greatest marketing people in the world. That extends to the defense industry. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:45:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I disagree. The Euros are dead serious about divorcing themselves from Russian energy, and this has nothing to do with “green energy” sources. Germany is well into the process of building LNG terminals and securing contracts for LNG supply from everyone who is not Russia. The most important word here is CONTRACT. A lot of doubters and Russian narrative pushers have been saying “oh, they’re kidding. They’ll be back on the Russian energy teat.” It might be true that Germany et al would be happy to continue to pay for their contracted energy through this year, but in the longer term they have no such incentive because they have already signed binding long-term contracts with other suppliers. Even before the war, it was openly stated by Europe that if Russia ever fucked with their energy security the relationship was over and would never resume. Russia is done as an energy supplier to Europe, and there goes half of their economy. The other half is being smashed by sanctions. Russia is in deep, deep shit - economically and militarily. Their offensives have ground to a halt while their losses have skyrocketed. They can’t mobilize or their economy will implode tomorrow. Even if they do mobilize they can’t train, equip, or supply that size force any more. They’re fighting a tenacious enemy with the manpower and land to fight indefinitely, supplied by a vastly superior coalition of forces which have shown - if anything - increasing solidarity and will to smash Russia permanently. Time is on Ukraine’s side, not Russia’s. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By disco_jon75: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: I wouldn't expect a Ukrainian offensive to look like what the Russians have been attempting. Unlike the Russians, Ukrainians aren't fucking retarded. They are going to thoroughly blast the shit out of Russian defenders in the Kherson area before they make major moves on the ground. Just like we did to the Iraqis in 1991, they are going to hit them and hit them again until attrition brings Russian units down to about 50%-75% strength and eliminates much of their air and artillery. The Ukrainians aren't going to senselessly send their men head on into a meat grinder when they have better options. Time is on Ukraine's side. They can take as long as they need to regain territory. Meanwhile, Russia is under enormous pressure to demonstrate something that resembles success. I disagree that time is ob Ukraine's side. As pointed out, Europe is likely to begin pushing for a negotiated surrender as winter approaches and heating oil and natural gas become scarce. I disagree. The Euros are dead serious about divorcing themselves from Russian energy, and this has nothing to do with “green energy” sources. Germany is well into the process of building LNG terminals and securing contracts for LNG supply from everyone who is not Russia. The most important word here is CONTRACT. A lot of doubters and Russian narrative pushers have been saying “oh, they’re kidding. They’ll be back on the Russian energy teat.” It might be true that Germany et al would be happy to continue to pay for their contracted energy through this year, but in the longer term they have no such incentive because they have already signed binding long-term contracts with other suppliers. Even before the war, it was openly stated by Europe that if Russia ever fucked with their energy security the relationship was over and would never resume. Russia is done as an energy supplier to Europe, and there goes half of their economy. The other half is being smashed by sanctions. Russia is in deep, deep shit - economically and militarily. Their offensives have ground to a halt while their losses have skyrocketed. They can’t mobilize or their economy will implode tomorrow. Even if they do mobilize they can’t train, equip, or supply that size force any more. They’re fighting a tenacious enemy with the manpower and land to fight indefinitely, supplied by a vastly superior coalition of forces which have shown - if anything - increasing solidarity and will to smash Russia permanently. Time is on Ukraine’s side, not Russia’s. I hope that you're right and my fears are misplaced. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:59:30 AM EST
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:01:49 AM EST
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Watching this war sure makes it seem like now more than ever artillery is the queen of the battlefield. Drones combined with precision guided arty is just lethal.
And my beloved Marine Corps just gave up most of their arty... 
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:03:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SemperGumbi: Watching this war sure makes it seem like now more than ever artillery is the queen of the battlefield. Drones combined with precision guided arty is just lethal. And my beloved Marine Corps just gave up most of their arty... Well many of the guns in use came from the Marine Corps |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:03:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SemperGumbi: Watching this war sure makes it seem like now more than ever artillery is the queen of the battlefield. Drones combined with precision guided arty is just lethal. And my beloved Marine Corps just gave up most of their arty... And tanks. Lots of WTF going on. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:04:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I know he's correct on this. the ammo exploding would exaggerate the crater size, so the weapon used didn't have to be as big as they first thought.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ3xGb8XwAU3vst?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ3xaEJXEAA_TxO?format=jpg&name=900x900
I'm still leaning towards small drone strikes setting off apocalyptic secondaries. Crimea has been dryer than usual, surrounding grass would burn easily. No huge air burst needed for that scorching |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:04:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOW: And tanks. Lots of WTF going on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOW: Originally Posted By SemperGumbi: Watching this war sure makes it seem like now more than ever artillery is the queen of the battlefield. Drones combined with precision guided arty is just lethal. And my beloved Marine Corps just gave up most of their arty... And tanks. Lots of WTF going on. There was a solution and we developed ways to make it work |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:05:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SemperGumbi: Watching this war sure makes it seem like now more than ever artillery is the queen of the battlefield. Drones combined with precision guided arty is just lethal. And my beloved Marine Corps just gave up most of their arty... Posted 4 minutes ago. A RC-135W rivet joint and RQ-4B global hawk watching the Crimean Peninsula together. 
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:06:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: I'm still leaning towards small drone strikes setting off apocalyptic secondaries. Crimea has been dryer than usual, surrounding grass would burn easily. No huge air burst needed for that scorching I'm not throwing out that theory as well. There's a lot of debate and the drone theory is holding on big too. 
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:07:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I think, with some exceptions, Russia's arms development stopped in the 1980's. I think for a time, Russia accepted that the West won the cold war and focused on other things, like corruption. They didnt invest much in arms because they didnt have to (and couldnt because they were broke as shit). NATO didnt invade after 1991 so all Russia had to contend with were Chechens and maybe China out East. They still had the most nukes so...Russian gear was always inferior to the US but not by the extreme extent we see today. Plus they had so much more quantity. The US kept up development because MIC and foreign sales. Then Iraq and DS#1, then Iran, Somalia, then 9/11 and the GWOT, now China...it's capitalism (always obsessed with making it better to sell more).vs communism (corrupt fascism and oligarchy). I have read, and I believe it, that during most of the cold war, the Warsaw Pact would have won a conventional ground war in Europe. Most likely in the 70's and early 80's it would have been rough. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Yes and no. Russia had a large lead in tank design until the mid 1980s until the advent of the m1 and Leopard 2. Heavy ERA and composite armor was pretty good. But, since then, the West has taken the lead and it shows. They do have some good stuff, but it's expensive to produce and they want to hold some of it back for nato and they aren't going to burn it all. Case in point, Iskanders. No, russia hasn't held their best back. We have seen every variant of tank and APC in the Ukrainian war so far with the exception of the T-14 series. The T90M was a late comer and still 2 have been lost. They're a gas station with an army and nukes. I think, with some exceptions, Russia's arms development stopped in the 1980's. I think for a time, Russia accepted that the West won the cold war and focused on other things, like corruption. They didnt invest much in arms because they didnt have to (and couldnt because they were broke as shit). NATO didnt invade after 1991 so all Russia had to contend with were Chechens and maybe China out East. They still had the most nukes so...Russian gear was always inferior to the US but not by the extreme extent we see today. Plus they had so much more quantity. The US kept up development because MIC and foreign sales. Then Iraq and DS#1, then Iran, Somalia, then 9/11 and the GWOT, now China...it's capitalism (always obsessed with making it better to sell more).vs communism (corrupt fascism and oligarchy). I have read, and I believe it, that during most of the cold war, the Warsaw Pact would have won a conventional ground war in Europe. Most likely in the 70's and early 80's it would have been rough. Exactly my thoughts as well. You said it perfect |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:16:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: Jozsi]
[#35]
NO......I've changed my stance since the 90s and seeing the battle plans for 1979.
They would have still lost. The fact that the Soviets wanted the entire Hungarian army occupying a nuclear ravaged Austria shows to me that a revolt would have happened ASAP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine Not trying to side track.. I just feel that the Soviets weren't as powerful as people imagined it to be. I once watched a Spetnatz unit come to Sopron and the Hungarian parachute training school. They were teaching all sorts of martial arts and all sorts of stuff, when our parachute master went against their top spetnatz honcho. Our guy kicked him in the balls, he went down and he pummeled him. All that stupid kung fu magic did nothing against a ball kick. This was Summer 1990. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:17:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/drunk_russians_jpg-2484968.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By CB1: Originally Posted By Jozsi: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: . . . . Unlike the Russians, Ukrainians aren't fucking retarded. . . . I've really tried my best to avoid getting overly propagandized into an overly rosy view of the Ukrainians efforts in this war. I've tried to read Russian accounts, Russian Twitter feeds, and I even surf RT feeds occasionally. I really do try to not just suck on the SLAVA UKRANI feeds - because I want a realistic view of the outcome of this war. But as a human with basic common sense and enough tactical/strategic knowledge to play "Battleship" I'm constantly astounded by the sheer unmitigated incompetence of the Russian military. I'm just flat out flabbergasted constantly by the amateurish and downright idiotic decisions made by their command staff. At the pointy end, the actual execution of even the retarded plans of the RA General Staff are done in an entirely amateur and lackluster way. I'm flat out amazed by what I'm seeing - even the folks on the pro-Russian side are in disbelief. I grew up fearing the Sov/Russian soldier. I thought they were 8 foot tall and bullet-proof. And I'm pretty sure that the Red Army in the 80s was a formidable force that would have fought NATO tooth and claw and possibly even won. But the Russians, with their endemic corruption and lack of even the most basic sort of intelligence, have taken that legacy and destroyed it forever. Now even Ida Amin level dictators are probably sitting in their mud huts watching TV thinking "Even my most ignorant toilet paper boy knows not to store the planes and the bombs in the same spot. What airdefense doing? The Russians are so fucking stupid . . ." This entire situation is so surreal that it makes me really start to think that maybe we *do* live in a simulation. And the Russians are the AI enemies from Quake 1. You really really had NOTHING to fear..I was in the Hun army doing my 6 month conscription back in 1991. Most or all of anything remotely related to alcohol used in their various weapon systems was gone gone and depleted. I helped do logistics for the war reserve and we inherited a shit ton of soviet equipment. All of the maintenance supplies was gone and depleted and it wasn't taken back to Russia when they left. They drank that shit..they stole that shit.. They raided that shit... And then they replaced that shit with fake shit like those ERA plates we saw with egg cartons. That was real... I saw it in Hungary with the shit we got from the soviets. TLDR and those with add... Soviet forces were fucked in the 80s also... NATO v. Warsaw would have been over quickly. And this is my assessment serving in 2 armies. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/drunk_russians_jpg-2484968.JPG Wow, all of this has been very eye opening. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:21:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking: I would be so fucking happy if that sleazeball got schwacked by a HIMARS I would settle for a shoe mine blasting one of that warm bucket of horse shits feet off. Fat around on just one of those now ya cocksucker. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:21:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: NO......I've changed my stance since the 90s and seeing the battle plans for 1979. They would have still lost. The fact that the Soviets wanted the entire Hungarian army occupying a nuclear ravaged Austria shows to me that a revolt would have happened ASAP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine Not trying to side track.. I just feel that the Soviets weren't as powerful as people imagined it to be. I once watched a Spetnatz unit come to Sopron and the Hungarian parachute training school. They were teaching all sorts of martial arts and all sorts of stuff, when our parachute master went against their top spetnatz honcho. Our guy kicked him in the balls, he went down and he pummeled him. All that stupid kung fu magic did nothing against a ball kick. This was Summer 1990. It's Truly surprising that They cannot see that they have no chance against Nato today. Why are they willing to risk so much? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:25:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Wow, all of this has been very eye opening. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By CB1: Originally Posted By Jozsi: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: . . . . Unlike the Russians, Ukrainians aren't fucking retarded. . . . I've really tried my best to avoid getting overly propagandized into an overly rosy view of the Ukrainians efforts in this war. I've tried to read Russian accounts, Russian Twitter feeds, and I even surf RT feeds occasionally. I really do try to not just suck on the SLAVA UKRANI feeds - because I want a realistic view of the outcome of this war. But as a human with basic common sense and enough tactical/strategic knowledge to play "Battleship" I'm constantly astounded by the sheer unmitigated incompetence of the Russian military. I'm just flat out flabbergasted constantly by the amateurish and downright idiotic decisions made by their command staff. At the pointy end, the actual execution of even the retarded plans of the RA General Staff are done in an entirely amateur and lackluster way. I'm flat out amazed by what I'm seeing - even the folks on the pro-Russian side are in disbelief. I grew up fearing the Sov/Russian soldier. I thought they were 8 foot tall and bullet-proof. And I'm pretty sure that the Red Army in the 80s was a formidable force that would have fought NATO tooth and claw and possibly even won. But the Russians, with their endemic corruption and lack of even the most basic sort of intelligence, have taken that legacy and destroyed it forever. Now even Ida Amin level dictators are probably sitting in their mud huts watching TV thinking "Even my most ignorant toilet paper boy knows not to store the planes and the bombs in the same spot. What airdefense doing? The Russians are so fucking stupid . . ." This entire situation is so surreal that it makes me really start to think that maybe we *do* live in a simulation. And the Russians are the AI enemies from Quake 1. You really really had NOTHING to fear..I was in the Hun army doing my 6 month conscription back in 1991. Most or all of anything remotely related to alcohol used in their various weapon systems was gone gone and depleted. I helped do logistics for the war reserve and we inherited a shit ton of soviet equipment. All of the maintenance supplies was gone and depleted and it wasn't taken back to Russia when they left. They drank that shit..they stole that shit.. They raided that shit... And then they replaced that shit with fake shit like those ERA plates we saw with egg cartons. That was real... I saw it in Hungary with the shit we got from the soviets. TLDR and those with add... Soviet forces were fucked in the 80s also... NATO v. Warsaw would have been over quickly. And this is my assessment serving in 2 armies. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/drunk_russians_jpg-2484968.JPG Wow, all of this has been very eye opening. An excerpt from the Rand publication Inside The Soviet Army In Afghanistan. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:26:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: It's Truly surprising that They cannot see that they have no chance against Nato today. Why are they willing to risk so much? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Jozsi: NO......I've changed my stance since the 90s and seeing the battle plans for 1979. They would have still lost. The fact that the Soviets wanted the entire Hungarian army occupying a nuclear ravaged Austria shows to me that a revolt would have happened ASAP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine Not trying to side track.. I just feel that the Soviets weren't as powerful as people imagined it to be. I once watched a Spetnatz unit come to Sopron and the Hungarian parachute training school. They were teaching all sorts of martial arts and all sorts of stuff, when our parachute master went against their top spetnatz honcho. Our guy kicked him in the balls, he went down and he pummeled him. All that stupid kung fu magic did nothing against a ball kick. This was Summer 1990. It's Truly surprising that They cannot see that they have no chance against Nato today. Why are they willing to risk so much? They will never admit to anything...that's the commie way. they never admitted fault for 1956, invading Poland, the baltics, 1979, Katryn, etc, etc, downing of korean KAL007. NEVER admitted to any of their crimes...that is why the Russians are bold today......there is this sense of ITS SOMEONES ELSES FAULT... we admit nothing. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:28:06 AM EST
[#41]
Incase yall missed the meltdown of a bizarre commie lover last night..
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/F-Yo-Ukraine/5-2576400/?page=1 |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:28:57 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: An excerpt from the Rand publication Inside The Soviet Army In Afghanistan. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By CB1: Originally Posted By Jozsi: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: . . . . Unlike the Russians, Ukrainians aren't fucking retarded. . . . I've really tried my best to avoid getting overly propagandized into an overly rosy view of the Ukrainians efforts in this war. I've tried to read Russian accounts, Russian Twitter feeds, and I even surf RT feeds occasionally. I really do try to not just suck on the SLAVA UKRANI feeds - because I want a realistic view of the outcome of this war. But as a human with basic common sense and enough tactical/strategic knowledge to play "Battleship" I'm constantly astounded by the sheer unmitigated incompetence of the Russian military. I'm just flat out flabbergasted constantly by the amateurish and downright idiotic decisions made by their command staff. At the pointy end, the actual execution of even the retarded plans of the RA General Staff are done in an entirely amateur and lackluster way. I'm flat out amazed by what I'm seeing - even the folks on the pro-Russian side are in disbelief. I grew up fearing the Sov/Russian soldier. I thought they were 8 foot tall and bullet-proof. And I'm pretty sure that the Red Army in the 80s was a formidable force that would have fought NATO tooth and claw and possibly even won. But the Russians, with their endemic corruption and lack of even the most basic sort of intelligence, have taken that legacy and destroyed it forever. Now even Ida Amin level dictators are probably sitting in their mud huts watching TV thinking "Even my most ignorant toilet paper boy knows not to store the planes and the bombs in the same spot. What airdefense doing? The Russians are so fucking stupid . . ." This entire situation is so surreal that it makes me really start to think that maybe we *do* live in a simulation. And the Russians are the AI enemies from Quake 1. You really really had NOTHING to fear..I was in the Hun army doing my 6 month conscription back in 1991. Most or all of anything remotely related to alcohol used in their various weapon systems was gone gone and depleted. I helped do logistics for the war reserve and we inherited a shit ton of soviet equipment. All of the maintenance supplies was gone and depleted and it wasn't taken back to Russia when they left. They drank that shit..they stole that shit.. They raided that shit... And then they replaced that shit with fake shit like those ERA plates we saw with egg cartons. That was real... I saw it in Hungary with the shit we got from the soviets. TLDR and those with add... Soviet forces were fucked in the 80s also... NATO v. Warsaw would have been over quickly. And this is my assessment serving in 2 armies. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/drunk_russians_jpg-2484968.JPG Wow, all of this has been very eye opening. An excerpt from the Rand publication Inside The Soviet Army In Afghanistan. Thanks! |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:32:08 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Incase yall missed the meltdown of a bizarre commie lover last night.. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/F-Yo-Ukraine/5-2576400/?page=1 I have him on ignore so of course I missed it.  He was the one very early on in this thread stupidly telling us this was all just a big bluff by Pootie Poot. What a moran! 
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:35:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Incase yall missed the meltdown of a bizarre commie lover last night.. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/F-Yo-Ukraine/5-2576400/?page=1 lol |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:37:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Incase yall missed the meltdown of a bizarre commie lover last night.. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/F-Yo-Ukraine/5-2576400/?page=1  |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:41:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: NO......I've changed my stance since the 90s and seeing the battle plans for 1979. They would have still lost. The fact that the Soviets wanted the entire Hungarian army occupying a nuclear ravaged Austria shows to me that a revolt would have happened ASAP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine Not trying to side track.. I just feel that the Soviets weren't as powerful as people imagined it to be. I once watched a Spetnatz unit come to Sopron and the Hungarian parachute training school. They were teaching all sorts of martial arts and all sorts of stuff, when our parachute master went against their top spetnatz honcho. Our guy kicked him in the balls, he went down and he pummeled him. All that stupid kung fu magic did nothing against a ball kick. This was Summer 1990. It’s all for show… |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:42:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: stone-age]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Incase yall missed the meltdown of a bizarre commie lover last night.. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/F-Yo-Ukraine/5-2576400/?page=1 I expect he woke up with a hang-over and thought to himself. "Wow, I kind of went overboard last night. New rule is No Posting When Drinking." And I don't know if the chicken or the egg came first, but americans are now very divided and seem to have a policy toward other americans of "If you are not with me, then you are against me." That attitude lends itself really well to being manipulated by other people who find it useful. And the perfect example is that a bunch of americans can be turned against Ukraine simply by pointing out something from Ukraines history or ancient history that people in american would have a problem with. But it's a common theme/tactic I see a lot lately and it works. It also works perfectly with cancel culture. Find a questionable text message from 15 years ago, and a person is kicked out of the team. It's really bad for america, and russia has been able to capitalize on it, we've all seen it. People should support Ukraine in this conflict, but failing to support either side is not the same as actively supporting the other side. I'll get off my soapbox,...for now. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:46:55 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Wow, all of this has been very eye opening. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By CB1: Originally Posted By Jozsi: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: . . . . Unlike the Russians, Ukrainians aren't fucking retarded. . . . I've really tried my best to avoid getting overly propagandized into an overly rosy view of the Ukrainians efforts in this war. I've tried to read Russian accounts, Russian Twitter feeds, and I even surf RT feeds occasionally. I really do try to not just suck on the SLAVA UKRANI feeds - because I want a realistic view of the outcome of this war. But as a human with basic common sense and enough tactical/strategic knowledge to play "Battleship" I'm constantly astounded by the sheer unmitigated incompetence of the Russian military. I'm just flat out flabbergasted constantly by the amateurish and downright idiotic decisions made by their command staff. At the pointy end, the actual execution of even the retarded plans of the RA General Staff are done in an entirely amateur and lackluster way. I'm flat out amazed by what I'm seeing - even the folks on the pro-Russian side are in disbelief. I grew up fearing the Sov/Russian soldier. I thought they were 8 foot tall and bullet-proof. And I'm pretty sure that the Red Army in the 80s was a formidable force that would have fought NATO tooth and claw and possibly even won. But the Russians, with their endemic corruption and lack of even the most basic sort of intelligence, have taken that legacy and destroyed it forever. Now even Ida Amin level dictators are probably sitting in their mud huts watching TV thinking "Even my most ignorant toilet paper boy knows not to store the planes and the bombs in the same spot. What airdefense doing? The Russians are so fucking stupid . . ." This entire situation is so surreal that it makes me really start to think that maybe we *do* live in a simulation. And the Russians are the AI enemies from Quake 1. You really really had NOTHING to fear..I was in the Hun army doing my 6 month conscription back in 1991. Most or all of anything remotely related to alcohol used in their various weapon systems was gone gone and depleted. I helped do logistics for the war reserve and we inherited a shit ton of soviet equipment. All of the maintenance supplies was gone and depleted and it wasn't taken back to Russia when they left. They drank that shit..they stole that shit.. They raided that shit... And then they replaced that shit with fake shit like those ERA plates we saw with egg cartons. That was real... I saw it in Hungary with the shit we got from the soviets. TLDR and those with add... Soviet forces were fucked in the 80s also... NATO v. Warsaw would have been over quickly. And this is my assessment serving in 2 armies. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/drunk_russians_jpg-2484968.JPG Wow, all of this has been very eye opening. Another interesting tidbit is the installation of thermal imagers on the M-60A3's by the late 70's early 80's, as well as hand held thermal systems for individual soldiers during this time frame. (AN/PAS-7) And second generation image intensifiers. Many Russian gains during the day were expected to be erased by mostly American units fighting at night. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:56:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Incase yall missed the meltdown of a bizarre commie lover last night.. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/F-Yo-Ukraine/5-2576400/?page=1 Do they have any threads going thousands of pages with tons of info and evidence to back their side of the narrative? Or do they all just peter out within 20 pages or so? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:00:48 AM EST
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