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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:03:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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lol, draft design for a new Ukrainian stamp.
  
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:19:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: NO......I've changed my stance since the 90s and seeing the battle plans for 1979. They would have still lost. The fact that the Soviets wanted the entire Hungarian army occupying a nuclear ravaged Austria shows to me that a revolt would have happened ASAP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine Not trying to side track.. I just feel that the Soviets weren't as powerful as people imagined it to be. I once watched a Spetnatz unit come to Sopron and the Hungarian parachute training school. They were teaching all sorts of martial arts and all sorts of stuff, when our parachute master went against their top spetnatz honcho. Our guy kicked him in the balls, he went down and he pummeled him. All that stupid kung fu magic did nothing against a ball kick. This was Summer 1990. The Soviets knew their equipment was shit in terms of reliability and survivability, but their plan was to use their numerical advantage to keep feeding units into the meat grinder to take ground. But, as dependent as the Soviets were / Russians are on rail...it would have never worked. Even with zero opposition on the front line, they would have ran out of diesel / gas / ammunition very rapidly, and unlike the Ukraine, the West had the weapon systems to completely evaporate cut off Soviet units. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:22:44 AM EST
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"Another photo of the wreckage of the American AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles.
This time, a rocket launched by the Ukrainian military hit a residential building in the Kherson direction. The local resident was lucky - the Kharma warhead did not detonate."  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:26:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Dang, that's a bold move. Good for them! Risking prolonged torture and slow death to do what is right is a rare commodity these days. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:27:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Your links just set off my NoScript in Firefox. You are about to load a page from twitter.com. If you are a twitter.com logged-in user, information about your identity might be acquired by ar15.com. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:46:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
 Army Experiments In Train Derailment & Sabotage - 1944 - CharlieDeanArchives / Archival Footage |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:52:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "Another photo of the wreckage of the American AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles. This time, a rocket launched by the Ukrainian military hit a residential building in the Kherson direction. The local resident was lucky - the Kharma warhead did not detonate." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-11_12-10-12_jpg-2485106.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-11_12-10-11_jpg-2485109.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-11_12-10-11__2__jpg-2485110.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-11_12-10-10_jpg-2485111.JPG |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:53:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: It's actually pretty hard to derail a train like that, WWII experiments:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agznZBiK_BsWouldn't a cutting torch and a makeshift wedge be more effective and easy to acquire? Or a big friction saw? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:55:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Wouldn't a cutting torch and a makeshift wedge be more effective and easy to acquire? Or a big friction saw? Homemade thermite is what I would use. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:57:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, draft design for a new Ukrainian stamp. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ3na91XwAEFFaf?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ32e4eXgAA0sg9?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Airdefense memes are hilarious |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:03:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Homemade thermite is what I would use. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By stone-age: Wouldn't a cutting torch and a makeshift wedge be more effective and easy to acquire? Or a big friction saw? Homemade thermite is what I would use. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:04:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Homemade thermite is what I would use. If it just cuts the tracks it won't do anything. I was thinking a person could buy or steal a torch very easliy. Cut both tracks. Then use a wood wedge to spread the tracks. When the engine hits it would go down between the tracks and hopefully not be able to jump back up. Or maybe even better would be to wedge just 1 track over so that when the engine hits one set of wheels goes between the tracks and the other set goes outside of the tracks. I'll bet there is not coming back from that. Borrow a cutting wheel and a come-along. Those can be acquired without suspicion at any hardware store. Though it would require work and time as opposed to setting a bomb and leaving the area. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:06:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: Freiheit8472]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "Another photo of the wreckage of the American AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles. This time, a rocket launched by the Ukrainian military hit a residential building in the Kherson direction. The local resident was lucky - the Kharma warhead did not detonate." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-11_12-10-12_jpg-2485106.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-11_12-10-11_jpg-2485109.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-11_12-10-11__2__jpg-2485110.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-11_12-10-10_jpg-2485111.JPG Is it me or does that s/n and other stuff look photoshopped? Compared to the number by the guys thumb at the bottom with dirt overlapping some characters ETA: I see others (M-1975) already noticed that |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:24:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Well many of the guns in use came from the Marine Corps Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By SemperGumbi: Watching this war sure makes it seem like now more than ever artillery is the queen of the battlefield. Drones combined with precision guided arty is just lethal. And my beloved Marine Corps just gave up most of their arty...  Well many of the guns in use came from the Marine Corps The FD2030 I read had the Marines keeping Himars and even the M777 for fires but I'm definitely not plugged in. I get the expeditionary need the Marines serve (so weight is an issue of systems). It is clear that Himars can operate successfully within enemy engagement zone, but it seems to me a Caesar type system would serve them better to shoot/scoot and survive (judging from what seems to be losses of M777 vs other SP systems in Ukraine). I'm sure the Marines will work out whatever is best, but I'm less sure that the proper lessons are being applied to Taiwan unless the US has different strategic goals/constraints than are obvious. I'm seeing a lot of reports that the US is pressuring Taiwan to choose weapons that are asymmetric vs traditional systems (Monterey talks). I can see a reluctance of providing E-2D or even MH-60R systems because of sensitive electronic capabilities, but their military consists of M60A3 and upgrades to M48 systems for tanks; and M109A2, M59 and M114 for artillery. I think there is still significant value in "legacy" systems such as the M1A2 and M109A6 they are trying to purchase (along with other "asymmetric" systems). The video back in March of the Azov fighters in Mariupol with their BTR-4 seemed to demonstrate the value of a fast, armored, hard hitting platform in an urban/high intensity environment. Javalins et al are great but heavier weapons still seem to have a lot of use if they can be brought to the fight (not constrained by the need of say traveling 1/2 across the world first), and really seem necessary if one wants to regain ground. I don't want to derail too much but Ukraine is providing lessons learned versus a lot of the wargaming/simulations that are otherwise taking place with respect to Taiwan. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:28:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWMCoalition: Your links just set off my NoScript in Firefox. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWMCoalition: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Your links just set off my NoScript in Firefox. You are about to load a page from twitter.com. If you are a twitter.com logged-in user, information about your identity might be acquired by ar15.com. Now that's strange. I dont know why. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:33:01 PM EST
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:33:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: No, and the idea of Iraq having only monkey model tanks is bullshit. The soviets we're broke by the late eighties, Iraq needed tanks to replace losses from the Iran war and had hard currency to pay for them. The Soviets sold them brand new, latest model tanks built for the Red Army because the Iraqis offered to pay more for quick delivery. The "real deal" tanks were no more effective than the export models. The bullshit cope cages the Russians tried early on in this war tells us what we need to know about their technology and understanding of our technology. Their tanks weren’t all as far behind as is sometimes suggested but their ammunition was steel hot trash. The T-72 is a match for the M-60 or Leopard 1 but the Abrams and Leopard 2 are a step ahead of anything the Russians had. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:38:34 PM EST
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FIRMS 46 minutes ago.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:46:29 PM EST
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:48:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomansland: The FD2030 I read had the Marines keeping Himars and even the M777 for fires but I'm definitely not plugged in. I get the expeditionary need the Marines serve (so weight is an issue of systems). It is clear that Himars can operate successfully within enemy engagement zone, but it seems to me a Caesar type system would serve them better to shoot/scoot and survive (judging from what seems to be losses of M777 vs other SP systems in Ukraine). There was a need for the Marine Corps to evolve its mission and there are some good things coming out of FD2030. But I think the biggest problem has been the wargaming was not so much about developing a solution but instead it was more about making a pre-decided course of action work. There also has been a large disconnect between what the visionaries see as potential future systems and capabilities and what the available, what is in development, and what it can be developed without great investment. The fires community was mostly ignored in the discussion on the way ahead because several of the theorist writing about what is needed were Artillery guys in their previous life (some not so well respected but they did have the MOS) so when the Arty Community sponsored its own wargames to determine their needs, they said ISR, Mounted Guns for mobility, loitering munitions and an ICM replacement. Those findings were mostly shelved. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:53:32 PM EST
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Speaking of trains (for Boomer and some other engineer types):
How much gasoline needs to be added to the fuel tanks of a TE10 or other Russian diesels to produce interesting gains in horsepower? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:55:08 PM EST
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Wondering if some AGM-88 crossed the border last night.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 12:56:31 PM EST
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"Since the beginning of the war in Ukraine, Russia has already lost two squadrons of its latest Su-35 fighters
Russian "birds" showed a low level of survivability in a collision with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. "During the full-scale aggression, the invaders lost two squadrons of such aircraft. This is about 24 units," the General Staff said."  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:03:26 PM EST
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:03:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "Since the beginning of the war in Ukraine, Russia has already lost two squadrons of its latest Su-35 fighters Russian "birds" showed a low level of survivability in a collision with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. "During the full-scale aggression, the invaders lost two squadrons of such aircraft. This is about 24 units," the General Staff said." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-11_11-55-54_jpg-2485221.JPG That's a nice looking jet you have there, it would be a shame if something bad happened to it. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:10:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
After near miss, guy runs to the vehicle and video cuts out.
Here I am thinking that I could contribute nothing to the UA speaking only Eng. and Hungarian and not a word of Ukrainian (except Cuka). |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:13:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: stone-age]
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:15:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: "Almost 2 million Crimeans were left without power and in darkness at the weekend after unknown saboteurs blew up power lines to the peninsula, underscoring its continued dependence on Ukraine despite its annexation by Russia last year. A state of emergency was declared after four pylons that transmit power to Crimea were blown up on Friday and Saturday night. Russia’s energy ministry scrambled to restore electricity to cities using generators, but the majority of people on the peninsula remained powerless on Saturday night." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/22/crimea-state-of-emergency-power-lines-attacked  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:16:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryMy bad. It's an old article. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:16:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Absolutely. Dudes were reportedly drinking antifreeze after a few months in Saudi during DS#1 and going blind. I was told that the secret is to filter the antifreeze through some bread to remove the poison. In any large group of people, there will be hard alcoholics that will do crazy shit. In my personal experience, we bought moonshine (called Sadiki) from foreign workers (usually Filipinos) and also made our own hooch from yeast and fruit juice. I've seen guys passed out drunk next to a pile of puke on guard duty. This was in the US Army Reserves so not Tier 1. But it happens when young guys are bored. I cant even imagine the Russian Army though, with their culture and about to die in a stupid losing war! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By CB1: so, the movie The Beast, where they depicted the guy drinking brake fluid was real?? holy fuck. That is worse than I imagined. Absolutely. Dudes were reportedly drinking antifreeze after a few months in Saudi during DS#1 and going blind. I was told that the secret is to filter the antifreeze through some bread to remove the poison. In any large group of people, there will be hard alcoholics that will do crazy shit. In my personal experience, we bought moonshine (called Sadiki) from foreign workers (usually Filipinos) and also made our own hooch from yeast and fruit juice. I've seen guys passed out drunk next to a pile of puke on guard duty. This was in the US Army Reserves so not Tier 1. But it happens when young guys are bored. I cant even imagine the Russian Army though, with their culture and about to die in a stupid losing war! On my first ship as a cadet I walked in on the Captain drinking Aqua Velva or something that looked like it. We were a few days out from home port after a thirty day run. I guess his stash ran out. Weird shit happened on that ship when we were towards the end of the run. When people want to get a buzz they find a way. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:17:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: There was a need for the Marine Corps to evolve its mission and there are some good things coming out of FD2030. But I think the biggest problem has been the wargaming was not so much about developing a solution but instead it was more about making a pre-decided course of action work. There also has been a large disconnect between what the visionaries see as potential future systems and capabilities and what the available, what is in development, and what it can be developed without great investment. The fires community was mostly ignored in the discussion on the way ahead because several of the theorist writing about what is needed were Artillery guys in their previous life (some not so well respected but they did have the MOS) so when the Arty Community sponsored its own wargames to determine their needs, they said ISR, Mounted Guns for mobility, loitering munitions and an ICM replacement. Those findings were mostly shelved. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By nomansland: The FD2030 I read had the Marines keeping Himars and even the M777 for fires but I'm definitely not plugged in. I get the expeditionary need the Marines serve (so weight is an issue of systems). It is clear that Himars can operate successfully within enemy engagement zone, but it seems to me a Caesar type system would serve them better to shoot/scoot and survive (judging from what seems to be losses of M777 vs other SP systems in Ukraine). There was a need for the Marine Corps to evolve its mission and there are some good things coming out of FD2030. But I think the biggest problem has been the wargaming was not so much about developing a solution but instead it was more about making a pre-decided course of action work. There also has been a large disconnect between what the visionaries see as potential future systems and capabilities and what the available, what is in development, and what it can be developed without great investment. The fires community was mostly ignored in the discussion on the way ahead because several of the theorist writing about what is needed were Artillery guys in their previous life (some not so well respected but they did have the MOS) so when the Arty Community sponsored its own wargames to determine their needs, they said ISR, Mounted Guns for mobility, loitering munitions and an ICM replacement. Those findings were mostly shelved. On some level that is actually a better situation that what I suspected. I was worried the wargaming was not accurately modeling the limitations of say a towed system (loss of DPICM, etc.). Not to say overcoming this type of political inertia is any less easy to overcome, but at least there were good inputs. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:23:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dbnd]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: No, and the idea of Iraq having only monkey model tanks is bullshit. The soviets we're broke by the late eighties, Iraq needed tanks to replace losses from the Iran war and had hard currency to pay for them. The Soviets sold them brand new, latest model tanks built for the Red Army because the Iraqis offered to pay more for quick delivery. The "real deal" tanks were no more effective than the export models. The bullshit cope cages the Russians tried early on in this war tells us what we need to know about their technology and understanding of our technology. The latest Soviet model of the T-72 in the mid-80s would have been the T-72B. Iraq had Urals, As, and the export M and M1 models which were equivalent to the A from Czech and Polish factories. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:24:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Their tanks weren't all as far behind as is sometimes suggested but their ammunition was steel hot trash. The T-72 is a match for the M-60 or Leopard 1 but the Abrams and Leopard 2 are a step ahead of anything the Russians had. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:35:02 PM EST
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:37:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: What was the record between M60a3s and T72s in Desert Storm. They went toe to toe under conditions that favored the Iraqis, and the outcome was definitive, the M60 was vastly superior, by about a 100 to 1 ratio. I still remember watching NBC news from Desert Storm and experts on the news told us over and over how the T72 was going to cream our tanks because our tanks were just not made to run in the hot and dusty conditions like the T72's were. I can remember the father in law telling me how we were going to take a beating. They also mentioned that our men were not conditioned to operate in the desert either like the Iraqi's were. And showed a clip of a GI drinking from a liter bottle of water and in obvious heat distress. And the whole thing was over in about 100 hours. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:41:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I watched that vid a few minutes ago without context and couldn't figure out why they were bombing a deer feeder.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:42:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: What was the record between M60a3s and T72s in Desert Storm. They went toe to toe under conditions that favored the Iraqis, and the outcome was definitive, the M60 was vastly superior, by about a 100 to 1 ratio. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Their tanks weren't all as far behind as is sometimes suggested but their ammunition was steel hot trash. The T-72 is a match for the M-60 or Leopard 1 but the Abrams and Leopard 2 are a step ahead of anything the Russians had. M60A3, though mostly common on the automotive side, was a generation+ more advanced systematically than the original M60 or the early-variants of the M60A1. Some of my 19-series buds who served on both the 60A3s and the original M1 used to make the argument that the thermals and sighting on the A3 was slightly more advanced than the original M1. It's like saying a 1969 Camaro is faster than a 1969 Mustang if you are comparing a Camaro upgraded with a 6.2 LS motor, Modern tires, and a T56 trans to a Mustang in original trim. Or a Basic M1 or early M1A1 up against any M1 fielded after the Mid-1990s ODS upgrades, let alone an M1A2 variant. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:48:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: I still remember watching NBC news from Desert Storm and experts on the news told us over and over how the T72 was going to cream our tanks because our tanks were just not made to run in the hot and dusty conditions like the T72's were. I can remember the father in law telling me how we were going to take a beating. They also mentioned that our men were not conditioned to operate in the desert either like the Iraqi's were. And showed a clip of a GI drinking from a liter bottle of water and in obvious heat distress. And the whole thing was over in about 100 hours. Someone forgot where NTC is. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:51:21 PM EST
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" The Russian Foreign Ministry refused to allow Switzerland to represent the interests of Kyiv
The reason for the refusal, according to representatives of the Foreign Ministry, is the loss of neutral status by Switzerland after joining the sanctions against Russia." |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 1:55:09 PM EST
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Posted: 8/11/2022 2:00:36 PM EST
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When this is over, Russia is not going to be able to give away a tank or air defense system to another prospective buyer country, let alone sell them any.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 2:00:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: I watched that vid a few minutes ago without context and couldn't figure out why they were bombing a deer feeder. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I watched that vid a few minutes ago without context and couldn't figure out why they were bombing a deer feeder. lol, you should sign up to visit a local defense expo in your area when you can, they can be a hoot. 
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Posted: 8/11/2022 2:02:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: Ryan_Scott]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: What was the record between M60a3s and T72s in Desert Storm. They went toe to toe under conditions that favored the Iraqis, and the outcome was definitive, the M60 was vastly superior, by about a 100 to 1 ratio. Fewer than a dozen M60A3s served in ODS, the Army had the M1A1 and the Marines the M60A1 with ERA. The T-72s Iraq used weren’t what the Soviets would have put in the front line. Theirs had composite armor, reactive armor and DU ammunition. There were studies in the late 1980s that assessed a 105mm round would have less than a 1 in 4 chance of penetrating from the front. And that was the high range of the estimate. Of course, Marine crews are 100 times better than Iraqi crews. That makes a difference. Marines were probably only 50x better than Soviet crews.  Edit: couldn’t remember when I typed this which era we were talking about specifically. Comparing like era T-72 and M-60 they are a lot more alike than people want to admit. The big differences being advances in ammunition, thermals, fire control and armor. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 2:02:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: I'm still leaning towards small drone strikes setting off apocalyptic secondaries. Crimea has been dryer than usual, surrounding grass would burn easily. No huge air burst needed for that scorching There have been some explosions years ago on arms storage facilities in some of the E. European countries. It was suspected that Russia attached thermite grenades to a drone and dropped them on the buildings. They burn right down to the ammunition stored there. Wouldn't take much more than that to do what happened at this airfield. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 2:07:26 PM EST
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Think about it: All Russia had to do was sell energy to western Europe, mine diamonds, gold and titanium and sell to the rest of the world, raise grain to sell. and continue to sell their crappy weapons systems to anyone that wanted them. and just rake in money and be a friendly with everyone. That is all they had to do to become rich and happy. Then came Feb. 24th, 2022 and pootey poot. just screwed up EVERYTHING. It was really that simple.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 2:08:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Incase yall missed the meltdown of a bizarre commie lover last night.. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/F-Yo-Ukraine/5-2576400/?page=1 Must be rough being a die-hard propagandist. I would’ve paid good money to see his personal reaction to the Crimea hit. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 2:08:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryYeah, I was just thinking about that, the Russians are about to lose a lot of market share. Some because it will take them at least a decade to replace all their own blown up stuff, some because all the customers watched that stuff blowing up helplessly in HD.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 2:12:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Yeah, I was just thinking about that, the Russians are about to lose a lot of market share. Some because it will take them at least a decade to replace all their own blown up stuff, some because all the customers watched that stuff blowing up helplessly in HD. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/arms_exports_jpg-2485311.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Yeah, I was just thinking about that, the Russians are about to lose a lot of market share. Some because it will take them at least a decade to replace all their own blown up stuff, some because all the customers watched that stuff blowing up helplessly in HD. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/arms_exports_jpg-2485311.JPG ...and in 15-20 years we will get to see NATO stuff blowing each other up in some shithole countries waring with each other.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 2:15:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: ...and in 15-20 years we will get to see NATO stuff blowing each other up in some shithole countries waring with each other. It’s good for our economy. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 2:15:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: When this is over, Russia is not going to be able to give away a tank or air defense system to another prospective buyer country, let alone sell them any. Except India, they just bought some long range bombers and S400 systems from them |
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