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Posted: 8/12/2022 9:23:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ramjet-powered-artillery-u-ground-161000010.html That is neat. I think they want to get the range beyond 100km.  
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Posted: 8/12/2022 9:29:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Damn, now that’s funny. And weirdly the second Waterloo allusion I’ve run across today. But for the sake of accuracy, looks like at least some of the compound walls at Hougoumont are English bond: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/0D5497B1-F82E-47E2-8142-65E8539A568F_jpe-2487072.JPG Man, now you got me in trouble for misquoting her. We just checked youtube and you can't even see the bricks at Hoguemont. It was some movie like that, though. That 1970 Waterloo movie is relevant here, though. It was the last great accomplishment of the Russian Army's infantry. (War and Peace was 1966.) |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 9:30:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: This is a joke, right? |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 9:51:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Seems to be a typo at ISW, but the assessment is for August 12th. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-10-0 Lol, if they are flying around in helicopters, they are no longer "the resistance". They were probably drunk, shot down the wrong helo. |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 9:55:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: That warms my heart. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By M-1975:
That warms my heart. Mine too. I know a lot of people coming up after me hated the old girls but I loved mine. No they'd lose a fight against anything on the battlefield because all they had was a .50 cal and, if you were unfortunate, a Dragon launcher. But I have a lot of fond memories of the old girl I TC'd. |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 10:08:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: Man, now you got me in trouble for misquoting her. We just checked youtube and you can't even see the bricks at Hoguemont. It was some movie like that, though. That 1970 Waterloo movie is relevant here, though. It was the last great accomplishment of the Russian Army's infantry. (War and Peace was 1966.) Ha ha. Just kdding. That pic above is one of the farm buildings on an outer wall there. Here is the main house, best pic I could fine. It’s a masonry mess fromwhat little I know and can tell!  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 10:43:16 PM EST
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From TG:
Rats were poisoned in the Sevastopol hospital, but Russian soldiers were killed The hospital management decided to poison the rats by spreading rodent poison throughout the hospital, including the kitchen. The poison got into food products and killed Russian soldiers. 8 Russian soldiers died, another 18 are in intensive care. https://t.me/operativnoZSU |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 10:48:24 PM EST
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Posted: 8/12/2022 10:59:10 PM EST
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Sniper zaps a Russian:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/wmtn33/ukrainian_sso_sniper_successful_demilitarization/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Snitches end up in ditches: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/wmxolz/in_the_temporarily_occupied_starobilsk_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Pretty good sequence, probably LPR/DPR troops taking drone-spotted mortar/light arty fire, multiple casualties. Looks like the last one is under small-arms fire. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wmuomv/ukrainian_artillery_shelling_russian_forces_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Very close arty hit on about 8-10 troops, probably LPR/DPR. Casualties not shown but probably many. Likely part of the sequence of events in the above video: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wmnjt0/a_ukrainian_precision_artillery_attack_on_a_group/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Pretty cool riff on the old tank destroyer concept with an MTLB and 100mm AT gun welded into the troop compartment. It might not kill a T72 from the front but it will kill anything else. https://youtu.be/Gi0pXpoHgyI |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:14:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ_vcxEXwAcx_KM?format=png&name=small Girkin is good for a laugh but his schtick is wearing thin. The Russian army never had the capabilities Girkin thinks it had. Certainly it doesn’t now. The man is just a die-hard fascist agitator and nothing more. That said - although he states it sarcastically, he is correct that Russia’s only sane play right now is to leave Ukraine. He sounds like he’s in the fourth stage of grief - depression. Acceptance possibly not far off. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 3:16:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: ORCYLAND HAS NEVER APOLOGIZED for anything... EVER... the closest you can get is a REGRET...that's it... but never an apology. They never apologized for anything they have done especially to Hungary and many other nations they invaded. Poland needs a big fat apology and sorry for Katryn. Even modern Orcs today from Sonny Puzikas and all of the pro orc cock suckers will never confront their past that Orcyland is just a thuggish nation....commie or no commie. that's it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: The Russians are not in a good place. They just lost a lot of their top tier men trying to take Donetsk. That's not good, those guys don't grow on trees in Russia. Top tier Vagner Mercenaries were absolutely wasted near Bakhmut due to the Russian's inability to provide them with close air support during their assault. What a waste of good infantry. The Russians really need to take Donetsk before the muddy fall season. If they can't take Donetsk before the ground turns to mud they will NOT be able to have any prayer of bringing about favorable terms at the peace table and Ukraine will continue to fight. To say nothing of the fact that they still don't have dominance over the Black Sea coast and their land bridge to Transnistria, which at this point looks like a pipe dream for them. If this conflict goes into 2023 the Russians are so screwed. By the end of 2023 or early 2024 Ukraine might actually have their act together and enough equipment that when combined with full mobilization will mean either the Russians are going to have to just admit they're in a war and use conscription or they're going to get pushed out of Ukraine perhaps even losing Crimea. Russia is an aging nation. They don't have the young men they had in WW2 to throw into a meat grinder. The levels of corruption in the Russian military are still epic in scale. Hell, things are so bad for them recruitment wise that to keep from using conscripts they're going to prisons now and offering amnesty for those inmates with prior mil experience if they join up and fight. Some of the prisoners, even those with years left on their sentences are turning them down. If inmates in Russian prisons know that the war is going badly you can imagine that the common Russian citizen knows the war is going badly. I never underestimate Russians ability to just endure hardship and suffering. They seem to be resigned to it as a people, but at a certain point even the Russians will wonder "what the Hell are we doing this for?" Ukraine isn't that special of a place and their slavs like just like them who never invaded Russia or posed any serious threat. I think the average Russian knows the USA isn't crazy enough to start a war that could lead to a nuclear holocaust. So, at some point Putin is going to be facing a very negative population and the Russians tend to go from not giving a shit to full on revolution pretty damn quick and with little warning. If they had a frontal lobe or some sense of logic they would admit that the gamble failed. Ukraine looked like a juicy fruit ripe for the picking but turned out to be a fucking hornets nest. Fucking Russians just stifle your ego's and take the loss, go home! * They wont be able to until it's too late. It was probably too late in April. Should have done it when they withdrew from Kiev. They talked themselves into a corner. They've had twenty chances to say something amounting to "Our work here is done. Well done." and poof back home. Instead, every muppet rolled out the "We will crush you" horseshit and now defeat means abject humiliation. It will kill the myth of daddy Putin and his underlings... and those guys are totally willing to let every able bodied male in russia die for that myth. Both 100% correct. It’s hard to say where the point of no return was (or is) for Russia. I don’t think Putin could’ve survived withdrawal after the failure of the Kyiv offensive, but Russia could have. I sincerely believe that a coup of responsible Army officers could’ve (at that point) disposed of Putin, mumbled an apology, and returned to the Russian border (the actual Russian border) and it all would’ve blown over with minimal ramifications. Blame EVERYTHING on Putin and that would’ve been good enough for everyone. Even Ukraine so long as they got their land back. Now, I don’t know. Support is crystalizing behind Ukraine, and Europe if anything is providing more soft and hard support, not less. Support also (IMO) is cystallizing behind the idea of stopping Russia in Ukraine and crushing them permanently. Can that movement be stopped at this point? Even if Russia offs Putin and does an immediate about face, the damage is done. They’ve crippled their Army which limits their ability to keep their.former republics in line. Several satellite states will make their moves at some point. That is guaranteed. Europe is actively divorcing itself from Russian energy and isn’t going back - they’ve signed long-term contracts and can’t go back even if they wanted to. And even if the sanctions ended today it would take years, perhaps decades, to recover. So you have a crippled military, a crippled economy, and a jobless and angry populace who would probably buy into a “stab in the back” storyline. (See Hitler.). The successor to Putin could easily be worse than Putin. Accepting defeat gracefully now involves accepting a GREATLY diminished Russia. That is a tall ask for people weaned on Russism. What are their options? Almost all their options begin with retiring/killing Putin. That’s a given. After that their options are becoming either a European or a Chinese vassal. They will do better as a European vassal, but the Muscovites will probably be more comfortable returning to their historical role as Chinese vassal. My guess is that the west will try to steer China and what’s left of Russia into perennial conflict. Offer China (impolicitly) a fat juicy chunk of Russia that will divert them from Taiwan and solve all of China’s energy/resource needs. Make them an offer they can’t refuse and let China get stuck in. Then support Russia (just enough) try to retain their land against China. Let the two of them grind each other to powder. Profit. The next decades I think will be tough for everyone, but particularly for Russia. ORCYLAND HAS NEVER APOLOGIZED for anything... EVER... the closest you can get is a REGRET...that's it... but never an apology. They never apologized for anything they have done especially to Hungary and many other nations they invaded. Poland needs a big fat apology and sorry for Katryn. Even modern Orcs today from Sonny Puzikas and all of the pro orc cock suckers will never confront their past that Orcyland is just a thuggish nation....commie or no commie. that's it. This. Russia is a nation of criminals, and even though criminals may regret getting caught they never regret being criminals to begin with. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 4:07:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: The Baltics dont have any production capability, Romania is already making 122 and I think 152 shells, and Hungary has probably just been told to sit down and shut up. Romania is sending 122mm shells and projectiles to the AFU. Saw some recent production projectiles in a gvozdika |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 6:04:45 AM EST
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(Allegedly) the first confirmed case of the successful use of the British Stormer HVM self-propelled air defense systems. https://t.me/killpukin/9982 Wrecked and abandoned armored car Husky TSV (Tactical Support Vehicle) donated to Ukraine by British partners. https://t.me/milinfolive/88647 Slovak article about donation of 11 modernized MiG-29s. https://www.cas.sk/clanok/2707099/minister-nad-o-osude-nasich-stihaciek-dostaneme-za-migy-300-milionov-analytik-ma-jasny-nazor/ Azov video https://t.me/mysiagin/11687 MaxxPro MRAPs (possibly stuck) in a field (Pisky)In the Zaporozhye direction, the Armed Forces of Ukraine stopped the enemy offensive
Russians claim to have Pisky
Russian media claiming HIMARS and ammo destroyed https://ria.ru/20220813/himars-1809362147.html Downed transmission lines headed toward Crimea https://t.me/karpatska_sich/14043
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Posted: 8/13/2022 6:07:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Also the UTG bullshit he posts as bringing gear to his buds. All that money raised and you bring the cheapest shit that you can find that doesn’t work. I also don’t think he’s in combat now. It’s not easy to get a green pass port unless A) you speak the language and/or sign a contract. If you sign a contract and don’t speak Russian/Ukrainian you are going to international legion period. If you have special skills and speak the language and or are SF you might get a waiver to go to a unit. It’s not march anymore and you better have a green passport or a hip pocket officer with you at all times. I think they are doing IED stuff which is needed but not combat. I heard they have a shortage of tank crews. How possible is it for foreigners to get there? |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 6:44:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: SoCalExile]
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nvm wrong war
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Posted: 8/13/2022 6:55:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ramjet-powered-artillery-u-ground-161000010.html We've come a long long way from the early Rocket Assisted Kinetic Energy rounds. They rockets worked well but trajectory and final destination were somewhat unpredictable. 
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Posted: 8/13/2022 7:11:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I heard they have a shortage of tank crews. How possible is it for foreigners to get there? You looking to be the next guy to ride a ex Soviet turret into space? 
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Posted: 8/13/2022 7:12:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ramjet-powered-artillery-u-ground-161000010.html |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 7:21:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ricko1: They should be testing those in Ukraine Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ricko1: Originally Posted By ludder093: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ramjet-powered-artillery-u-ground-161000010.html They are relatively early in development |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 7:43:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Girkin is good for a laugh but his schtick is wearing thin. The Russian army never had the capabilities Girkin thinks it had. Certainly it doesn’t now. The man is just a die-hard fascist agitator and nothing more. That said - although he states it sarcastically, he is correct that Russia’s only sane play right now is to leave Ukraine. He sounds like he’s in the fourth stage of grief - depression. Acceptance possibly not far off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ_vcxEXwAcx_KM?format=png&name=small Girkin is good for a laugh but his schtick is wearing thin. The Russian army never had the capabilities Girkin thinks it had. Certainly it doesn’t now. The man is just a die-hard fascist agitator and nothing more. That said - although he states it sarcastically, he is correct that Russia’s only sane play right now is to leave Ukraine. He sounds like he’s in the fourth stage of grief - depression. Acceptance possibly not far off. I agree, just interesting to see his take on things. Like was said awhile back, his tactical perspectives seem sensible, but as you go up to the geopolitical stuff you can see they beat the propaganda into him.
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Posted: 8/13/2022 7:45:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Good analysis. I would point out it’s not historically unprecedented, that power alignment. That gives it staying power. Both for emotional and BoP considerations, Britain has a long investment in Poland, going back centuries, not just to 1939. Problem has always been translating that into action in the age of sale and is a great power without a great continental army. Time in technology have also factored into this development. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By Capta: Yes we are and in 10-20 years Europe may look like a very different place. Though this war is far from over, I believe Ukraine will come out whole or nearly so. France and Germany will come out of it physically undamaged, but with significant political damage. They put themselves and Europe in a dangerous position through naked greed - not the actions of responsible adults and leaders of the EU. Poland and the Baltics, on the other hand, saw the same information and made appropriate decisions in time to build LNG terminals for themselves from about 2010-2015. That wasn't a coincidence. You can also argue that Poland is making an extremely foresighted choice with Ukraine which goes beyond “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Ukraine is going to come out of this war as a force to be reckoned with. Ukraine and Poland together will be the premiere military power in Europe. Ukraine also has the resources, energy, and nuclear power which will lead directly to a joint Ukraine-Poland nuclear weapons program, which is absolutely necessary for both of their long-term survivals. The Baltics, though they can’t compete with Poland in terms of contribution, no doubt hope come under the Poland/Ukraine umbrella based on their loyal support. Ukraine will remember who its good friends were, and also those who weren’t such good friends. Poland and the Baltics are getting on the right side of that equation. Depending on the breaks, I don’t think it’s impossible for Russia to break up with Ukraine eventually getting a major chunk of it, and/or for Kyiv to become the new center of the slavic world for the first time in several hundred years. So yeah, IMO Poland has some adult professionals running the country who not only know how to do the right thing, but how to maximize their benefit from it. Good analysis. I would point out it’s not historically unprecedented, that power alignment. That gives it staying power. Both for emotional and BoP considerations, Britain has a long investment in Poland, going back centuries, not just to 1939. Problem has always been translating that into action in the age of sale and is a great power without a great continental army. Time in technology have also factored into this development. I believe that Central Europe along with the Baltics will be the leaders of the EU...in a very short amount of time...relatively speaking...with Poland at the helm taking the charge...with Ukraine being the catalyst... |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 7:55:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: No, not at all. In the eighties I was under the impression that US tanks were garbage and Soviet tanks were unstoppable. Now I see it differently. Soviet tanks were unstartable, our tanks pretty much did what they were designed to so. Our tanks weren't unstoppable, but they were operable. The m60 had plain steel Armor and was going up against tanks thats composite armor and fired rounds that would go in and out of it. The Soviets had a really, really good edge in tank development. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 8:19:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: I'm pretty sure the air base was not a sof operation. If it was, they (UA) would never admit that because it would put the soldiers at risk. The fact that UA throwed it out there, only makes sense, if it was a rocket/misslle salvo's. I wonder if LM sent some of their JASSAM since it looks like UA is getting a few airsraft. I don't know how much it has changed in the last decade but it was pretty nice. Supposedly could be programmed with sat pics and could compare that to the onboard camera/sensors to determine its flight path. Very accurate back then (2005). No telling what its capabilities are now. I was told back then, it had a cluster munitions model that was exported to the Israelis. I keep telling people here over and over again about Ukrainian capabilities, for people to find out later, happen to be true. Ukraine has a robust rocket science program. Much of the Soviet ballistic missile tech was blueprinted in Ukraine then farmed out for production. A 500km range cruise or ballistic missile attack is well within their “I can make one in a couple of weeks category”. The issue is production of more than just a dozen or so of the rockets. Motor sich, yuzmasch, and others this capability. Main issue was money to do more than just make a couple for export exhibition. The Neptune is a good example. It sunk a flag ship. 100% indigenous design. Range was longer than 300km. I know that for sure. Not going to put out speculation about the Crimean airbase attack. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 8:21:38 AM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2022 8:21:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroEngineer: Damn. That’s sone cold, calculating shit from the Kremlin. No sympathies though for the Russians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroEngineer: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: ISW assessment came in for August 11th. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-11 Russia’s 64th Separate Guards Motor Rifle Brigade (64th SGMRB) of the 35th Combined Arms Army (CAA) has likely been destroyed in combat, possibly as part of an intentional Kremlin effort to conceal the war crimes it committed in Kyiv Oblast. Radio Free Europe/ Radio Liberty (RFEFL) investigative journalist Mark Krutov conducted an investigation into the brigade following its participation in atrocities in Bucha and concluded that after heavy fighting on the Izyum and Slovyansk axes, the brigade has largely ceased to exist.[6] Krutov stated that out of 1,500 soldiers who were in the brigade before the war, 200 to 300 were likely killed.[7] Krutov quoted CNA Russia Studies director Michael Kofman’s estimates that the typical ratio for those killed to those wounded in action is around 1 to 3.5, which would mean that the 64th SGMRB suffered up to 700 to 1,000 wounded in action.  It is typical for Russian units that are so severely degraded during combat to be disbanded and survivors reallocated into other combat elements, but Krutov noted that Russian President Vladimir Putin cannot disband the 64th SGMRB without embarrassment. Putin had awarded the brigade the honorary “guards” designation on April 18, following the emergence of evidence that it had committed war crimes in Bucha.[9] The brigade was rushed back into combat in eastern Ukraine after it had completed its withdrawal from around Kyiv without much time to rest, refit, receive replacements, or recover. Speculation at the time ran that the Kremlin was eager to have the brigade destroyed in combat to avoid revelation of its war crimes.[10] Ukrainian military officials confirmed additional Ukrainian strikes against Russian command posts and ammunition depots in Southern Ukraine. The Ukrainian Southern Operational Command reported hitting the command post of the Russian 126th Guards Coastal Defense Brigade in Novokamyanka and an ammunition depot in Barvinok, 62km east and 20km northwest of Kherson City, respectively.[33] Ukrainian forces also reportedly damaged a command and observation post of a battalion tactical group of the 76th Airborne Assault Division in Ischenka (just east of the Ukrainian bridgehead over Inhulets River) and destroyed a command post of the 49th Combined Arms Army (CAA) near Chervonyi Mayak (about 30km northeast of Nova Kakhovka).[34] ISW has previously reported that Ukrainian forces reportedly struck a command post of the 49th CAA in Chornobaivka (about 5km northwest of Kherson City) on August 6, which could suggest that Russian forces either split or moved their command posts from Kherson City.[35] Both strikes suggest that Russian forces are maintaining or relocating their positions within the range of US-provided HIMARS systems. Ukrainian forces inflicted significant losses on Russian officers and senior personnel in Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy Oblasts situated in command posts near the frontline even before receiving HIMARS systems in part because Russian commanders moved close to the front lines to control their troops. Russian forces are apparently continuing to endanger their command posts, likely to be ready to control their forces in anticipation of a possible Ukrainian counteroffensive. It is unclear when or if Ukrainian forces will launch a large-scale ground counteroffensive in southern Ukraine, but they are effectively using Russian preparations for such a counteroffensive to attrit Russian leadership and logistics capabilities. Damn. That’s sone cold, calculating shit from the Kremlin. No sympathies though for the Russians. It means that Putin was fully aware of war crimes, and deliberately acted to protect the perpetrators. Even if we don't have anything on paper proving Putin ordered war crimes, he's clearly conspired in war crimes by this action. Circumstantially. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 8:43:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Pretty cool riff on the old tank destroyer concept with an MTLB and 100mm AT gun welded into the troop compartment. It might not kill a T72 from the front but it will kill anything else. https://youtu.be/Gi0pXpoHgyI That looks to be a more stable platform than it's original carriage. I wonder how long the suspension lasts.. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 8:59:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: The m60 had plain steel Armor and was going up against tanks thats composite armor and fired rounds that would go in and out of it. The Soviets had a really, really good edge in tank development. And reportedly, the Western tank rounds could not defeat those Russian tank's armor. At least from the front. Until the M1 came on line, and in numbers, NATO was behind in the tank design world. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 9:26:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: It means that Putin was fully aware of war crimes, and deliberately acted to protect the perpetrators. Even if we don't have anything on paper proving Putin ordered war crimes, he's clearly conspired in war crimes by this action. Circumstantially. I strongly believe that the RU actions in places like Bucha and elsewhere was their specific tactics and procedures in action. Take a town, round up everyone, single out the threats like local police, politicians, leaders, military veterans, and military aged men...extract any/all useful information through any means then liquidate them. Granted the summary executions in the street and the rapes/murders served no "military purpose" but falls under the plan to subjugate and dominate the population into submission. If the Russians havnt acted like this IN EVERY FUCKING CAMPAIGN in the past, we could maybe think it was the work of some rogue unit led by some "Col. Kurtz" off the reservation. But sadly, I'm sure that the Bucha treatment is in official RU manuals and policy. If anything, the Russians learned from their Katyn Forrest fiasco and instead of rounding up the threats and sticking them in large camps for witnesses to see and satellites to photograph, they stream-lines the process. From detention to interrogation/torture to execution all in the same setting and as close to the time of the initial combat to give it the veneer of "combat casualties"... As it turns out everything you needed to know about fighting Russians you could learn by watching Red Dawn. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 9:27:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Are the Russians really so fucking stupid they would use land mines as a substitute for ERA? Surely this was just an already damaged orc tank the Ukrainians decided to demo cheaply by stacking mines on top of it and lighting if off with a grenade drop so they didn't use a valuable Javelin or Stugna for the task? Or maybe the tank hit one of these mines, lost a track and Russian engineers were demining the area and stacking the located mines on the tank when the Ukrainian drone spotted their activities and decided to have a little fun? Then again, it could just be Russia being Russia. Nothing would surprise me anymore. I'd always thought the typical enlisted Russian had an average IQ of about 75. We're talking an entire army of Forrest Gumps. But if Russians are riding around in tanks outfitted with landmines for ERA, and doing so on purpose, then Forrest Gump would be a fucking genius in that army. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Waldo: WTF? Sure looked like they were hauling anti tank mines around on the mud guard.  Are the Russians really so fucking stupid they would use land mines as a substitute for ERA? Surely this was just an already damaged orc tank the Ukrainians decided to demo cheaply by stacking mines on top of it and lighting if off with a grenade drop so they didn't use a valuable Javelin or Stugna for the task? Or maybe the tank hit one of these mines, lost a track and Russian engineers were demining the area and stacking the located mines on the tank when the Ukrainian drone spotted their activities and decided to have a little fun? Then again, it could just be Russia being Russia. Nothing would surprise me anymore. I'd always thought the typical enlisted Russian had an average IQ of about 75. We're talking an entire army of Forrest Gumps. But if Russians are riding around in tanks outfitted with landmines for ERA, and doing so on purpose, then Forrest Gump would be a fucking genius in that army. It's possible we are confusing stupidity with desperation. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 9:36:32 AM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2022 10:02:48 AM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2022 10:05:40 AM EST
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Drone’s eye view of a Javelin kill
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Posted: 8/13/2022 10:06:50 AM EST
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According to Steven Seagal, Zelensky used HIMARS on the prison to silence a Nazi who knew too much.
https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2022/08/09/steven-seagal-appears-in-ukraine-serving-as-a-russian-spokesperson/ |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 10:20:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Look in the commanders hatch top right of tank, I think there is a guy in there, unfortunately the front left of the tank seems to be using land mines in place of ERA. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wmp9vp/ukrainian_drone_destroying_a_russian_tank_with_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb Holy crap !!! 
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Posted: 8/13/2022 10:31:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: https://i.postimg.cc/wx5jKysv/525-E6608-9-C4-E-4141-9-FE4-02-B328-FB2096.jpg *right click* *save as* |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 10:33:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: And reportedly, the Western tank rounds could not defeat those Russian tank's armor. At least from the front. Until the M1 came on line, and in numbers, NATO was behind in the tank design world. Yep. Kontact era was pretty good. Was. Now tandem warheads and 829a3 and a4 eat it alive |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 10:46:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 8/13/2022 10:47:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I wondered where these inflatable S-300 Sam systems were coming from. These look like so much fun for the yard.  I'm not a responsible adult though. https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/He8cefef5697b4cbf87f3ed046dc9083bC.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB1URRPeDfN8KJjSZFjq6xGvpXaJ.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB1XiAYdzgy_uJjSZK9q6xvlFXaB.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB13KVImdzJ8KJjSspkq6zF7VXaf.jpg_720x720q50.jpg Like the Russian guided missile electronic components, Alibaba is their friend. Group buy for $2,000. https://m.alibaba.com/product/60731054529/Inflatable-military-decoy-inflatable-Defense-Missile.html Seriously: I will chip in a few $$ IF you find an inflatable HIMARS and can get it shipped to the right people in Ukraine (or to a pick up point in Poland). The Ukrainian military will know where best to use it. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 10:51:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Seriously: I will chip in a few $$ IF you find an inflatable HIMARS and can get it shipped to the right people in Ukraine (or to a pick up point in Poland). The Ukrainian military will know where best to use it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I wondered where these inflatable S-300 Sam systems were coming from. These look like so much fun for the yard. I'm not a responsible adult though. https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/He8cefef5697b4cbf87f3ed046dc9083bC.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB1URRPeDfN8KJjSZFjq6xGvpXaJ.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB1XiAYdzgy_uJjSZK9q6xvlFXaB.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB13KVImdzJ8KJjSspkq6zF7VXaf.jpg_720x720q50.jpg Like the Russian guided missile electronic components, Alibaba is their friend. Group buy for $2,000. https://m.alibaba.com/product/60731054529/Inflatable-military-decoy-inflatable-Defense-Missile.html Seriously: I will chip in a few $$ IF you find an inflatable HIMARS and can get it shipped to the right people in Ukraine (or to a pick up point in Poland). The Ukrainian military will know where best to use it. I know, I'll try and look through their catalog to see if they make them. Tooling around in any real FMTV that Ukraine has with some mods to make it look like it carries HIMARS would be a great idea as well. Just cover it like a real high value target with lots of SAM's to go with it.
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Posted: 8/13/2022 10:55:32 AM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2022 11:27:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I strongly believe that the RU actions in places like Bucha and elsewhere was their specific tactics and procedures in action. Take a town, round up everyone, single out the threats like local police, politicians, leaders, military veterans, and military aged men...extract any/all useful information through any means then liquidate them. Granted the summary executions in the street and the rapes/murders served no "military purpose" but falls under the plan to subjugate and dominate the population into submission. If the Russians havnt acted like this IN EVERY FUCKING CAMPAIGN in the past, we could maybe think it was the work of some rogue unit led by some "Col. Kurtz" off the reservation. But sadly, I'm sure that the Bucha treatment is in official RU manuals and policy. If anything, the Russians learned from their Katyn Forrest fiasco and instead of rounding up the threats and sticking them in large camps for witnesses to see and satellites to photograph, they stream-lines the process. From detention to interrogation/torture to execution all in the same setting and as close to the time of the initial combat to give it the veneer of "combat casualties"... As it turns out everything you needed to know about fighting Russians you could learn by watching Red Dawn. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: It means that Putin was fully aware of war crimes, and deliberately acted to protect the perpetrators. Even if we don't have anything on paper proving Putin ordered war crimes, he's clearly conspired in war crimes by this action. Circumstantially. I strongly believe that the RU actions in places like Bucha and elsewhere was their specific tactics and procedures in action. Take a town, round up everyone, single out the threats like local police, politicians, leaders, military veterans, and military aged men...extract any/all useful information through any means then liquidate them. Granted the summary executions in the street and the rapes/murders served no "military purpose" but falls under the plan to subjugate and dominate the population into submission. If the Russians havnt acted like this IN EVERY FUCKING CAMPAIGN in the past, we could maybe think it was the work of some rogue unit led by some "Col. Kurtz" off the reservation. But sadly, I'm sure that the Bucha treatment is in official RU manuals and policy. If anything, the Russians learned from their Katyn Forrest fiasco and instead of rounding up the threats and sticking them in large camps for witnesses to see and satellites to photograph, they stream-lines the process. From detention to interrogation/torture to execution all in the same setting and as close to the time of the initial combat to give it the veneer of "combat casualties"... As it turns out everything you needed to know about fighting Russians you could learn by watching Red Dawn. Truth here - great post. John Milius and his advisor Fred Rexor (look him up) even spoke about inserting realistic communist invasion scenarios into Red Dawn. Some scenes were taken out which would have just made Red Dawn even more accurate. The scene when Jed (Patrick Swayze) was told at the ranch house that the Russians were telling the Americans that the Wolverines were killing their fellow Americans (to Jed): "People are waking up with their throats cut, rumor has it that it's you." - that never made a lot of sence to me although I understood what he meant about Russias lying to the Americas they captured. A scene was cut that showed Jed and others going into neighborhoods rescuing Americans and taking them out of the city.  This is a still from that cut scene. Russians have done exact thing in Ukraine with propoganda directed at Ukrainians stating that Ukrainian troops were destroying hospitals and murdering and stealing from their own people. The stories ran with Tucker Carlson's Russian advisor Clint Ehrlich spreading it everywhere he could, Zero Hedge, InfoWars, Gerald Celente/Trends Journal, Coach Red Pill (a frequent guest on many tard "patriot" talk shows), and on all Russian media - I posted several times months ago the details and links to this. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 11:35:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I strongly believe that the RU actions in places like Bucha and elsewhere was their specific tactics and procedures in action. Take a town, round up everyone, single out the threats like local police, politicians, leaders, military veterans, and military aged men...extract any/all useful information through any means then liquidate them. Granted the summary executions in the street and the rapes/murders served no "military purpose" but falls under the plan to subjugate and dominate the population into submission. If the Russians havnt acted like this IN EVERY FUCKING CAMPAIGN in the past, we could maybe think it was the work of some rogue unit led by some "Col. Kurtz" off the reservation. But sadly, I'm sure that the Bucha treatment is in official RU manuals and policy. If anything, the Russians learned from their Katyn Forrest fiasco and instead of rounding up the threats and sticking them in large camps for witnesses to see and satellites to photograph, they stream-lines the process. From detention to interrogation/torture to execution all in the same setting and as close to the time of the initial combat to give it the veneer of "combat casualties"... As it turns out everything you needed to know about fighting Russians you could learn by watching Red Dawn. It's amazing how similar the russians are to their arch-enemies the nazis. I personally think the russian military culture is to tell the russians they are genetically different and more superior to other humans, and so when they invade another people they can do what they want to the conquered people because those people are more like animals. The pillage,murder, and rape of other people is their reward for being part of the russian army. And the military sees the terror caused by their people as useful as a tactic. Just like many of the nazis did. I have seen multiple average russian people say they are "different". They say the russian people have a soul that other humans don't have. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 11:40:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: I keep telling people here over and over again about Ukrainian capabilities, for people to find out later, happen to be true. Ukraine has a robust rocket science program. Much of the Soviet ballistic missile tech was blueprinted in Ukraine then farmed out for production. A 500km range cruise or ballistic missile attack is well within their “I can make one in a couple of weeks category”. The issue is production of more than just a dozen or so of the rockets. Motor sich, yuzmasch, and others this capability. Main issue was money to do more than just make a couple for export exhibition. The Neptune is a good example. It sunk a flag ship. 100% indigenous design. Range was longer than 300km. I know that for sure. Not going to put out speculation about the Crimean airbase attack. with that being said. I wonder if its a "here's a box of spare part". And then we(US) can say "we didn't give them anything that could reach out that far" I was hoping they (US) would send some of their newer stuff for testing, But its gonna be alot more beneficial if UA is making these themselves. Getting the missile there (target) is only half the battle, how advanced is UA ability to cloak said missile? Its hard for me to tell how sophisticated the cloaking needs to be, because RU missile defense might be like the rest of their garbage tech. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 11:41:29 AM EST
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 'Devastating attack' on Russian airbase  Defence Secretary: 'Russia is starting to fail' |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 11:46:56 AM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2022 11:50:25 AM EST
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also gentleman farmer
them rifles are beautiful. I'm kinda jelly. After this is over. I imagine they will be worth a pretty penny. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 11:52:39 AM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2022 11:55:07 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: I keep telling people here over and over again about Ukrainian capabilities, for people to find out later, happen to be true. Ukraine has a robust rocket science program. Much of the Soviet ballistic missile tech was blueprinted in Ukraine then farmed out for production. A 500km range cruise or ballistic missile attack is well within their “I can make one in a couple of weeks category”. The issue is production of more than just a dozen or so of the rockets. Motor sich, yuzmasch, and others this capability. Main issue was money to do more than just make a couple for export exhibition. The Neptune is a good example. It sunk a flag ship. 100% indigenous design. Range was longer than 300km. I know that for sure. Not going to put out speculation about the Crimean airbase attack. How the nation of Ukraine ranks: 1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores; 2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves; 2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves); 2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons); 2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves; 3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters) 4th in the world by the total value of natural resources; 7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons) Ukraine is an agricultural country (richest soil in the world): 1st in Europe in terms of arable land area; 3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume); 1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil; 2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports; 3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world; 4th largest producer of potatoes in the world; 5th largest rye producer in the world; 5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons); 8th place in the world in wheat exports; 9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs; 16th place in the world in cheese exports. Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people. [Russia's buddy China could use some of this...] Ukraine is an industrialized country: 1st in Europe in ammonia production; 2-е Europe's and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU); 3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants; 3rd place in Europe and 11 th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km); 3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment; 3rd largest iron exporter in the world 4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world; 4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers; 4th place in the world in clay exports 4th place in the world in titanium exports 8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates; 9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products; 10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons). Information provided by the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America, Ukrainian World Congress - Свiтовий Конґрес Українців |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:01:35 PM EST
[#49]
 Bodies Of Russian Mercenaries Litter Field After Donetsk Battle With Ukrainian Army Bodies Of Russian Mercenaries Litter Field After Donetsk Battle With Ukrainian Army |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:04:31 PM EST
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FIRMS 11min ago.
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