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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:10:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Incoming HIMARS attack, geolocated to large warehouses.
Areas being struck currently.  Expanding area of strikes today 25m ago. 
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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:12:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Probably Chechens fighting Siberians/Asians over a washing machine or goat or something, |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:17:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
Thanks M-1975  I am glad the Ukrainians got them, and they will come in handy during the muddy season. It’s still weird for me to see our US .mil surplus, with what I grew up seeing as a “commie gun” (AK74) leaned against one wall.  But yeah, the Ukrainians are the good guys! |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:17:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: That is neat. I think they want to get the range beyond 100km. I read a story on ramjet 155 rounds a few days ago - which caught my eye because it had never occurred to me that I’d see “ramjet” and “artillery” in the same sentence. Mindboggling, but somehow completely logical - amazing. On the opposite end of the spectrum, the first Frankenguns are hitting the field - field-modified captured guns and tractors turned into tank-destroyers. https://aviationa2z.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boeing-Nammo-Conduct-Successful-Ramjet-155-Artillery-Tests-e1652440244678-1140x641.webp https://i0.wp.com/militaryleak.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Ramjet-155-3.jpg?ssl=1]https://aviationa2z.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boeing-Nammo-Conduct-Successful-Ramjet-155-Artillery-Tests-e1652440244678-1140x641.webp,https://i0.wp.com/militaryleak.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Ramjet-155-3.jpg?ssl=1[/url]  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:30:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Probably Chechens fighting Siberians/Asians over a washing machine or goat or something, Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Probably Chechens fighting Siberians/Asians over a washing machine or goat or something, From past experience, that is not out of the question.
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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:31:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: It's amazing how similar the russians are to their arch-enemies the nazis. I personally think the russian military culture is to tell the russians they are genetically different and more superior to other humans, and so when they invade another people they can do what they want to the conquered people because those people are more like animals. The pillage,murder, and rape of other people is their reward for being part of the russian army. And the military sees the terror caused by their people as useful as a tactic. Just like many of the nazis did. I have seen multiple average russian people say they are "different". They say the russian people have a soul that other humans don't have. That's why the Ukrainian Insurgent Army fought both the Nazis and the Russians during and after WW2:  Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) recruitment poster showing UPA soldier bayonetting two effigies, one Hitler and the other Stalin. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:36:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: I read a story on ramjet 155 rounds a few days ago - which caught my eye because it had never occurred to me that I’d see “ramjet” and “artillery” in the same sentence. Mindboggling, but somehow completely logical - amazing. On the opposite end of the spectrum, the first Frankenguns are hitting the field - field-modified captured guns and tractors turned into tank-destroyers. https://aviationa2z.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boeing-Nammo-Conduct-Successful-Ramjet-155-Artillery-Tests-e1652440244678-1140x641.webp https://i0.wp.com/militaryleak.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Ramjet-155-3.jpg?ssl=1]https://aviationa2z.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boeing-Nammo-Conduct-Successful-Ramjet-155-Artillery-Tests-e1652440244678-1140x641.webp,https://i0.wp.com/militaryleak.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Ramjet-155-3.jpg?ssl=1[/url] https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/DE041874-8816-4ECE-87C9-E1DA785F5C6C_jpe-2487665.JPG Custom combat jobs, I like the 57mm AA gun truck myself.  
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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:38:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: I believe that Central Europe along with the Baltics will be the leaders of the EU...in a very short amount of time...relatively speaking...with Poland at the helm taking the charge...with Ukraine being the catalyst... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By Capta: Yes we are and in 10-20 years Europe may look like a very different place. Though this war is far from over, I believe Ukraine will come out whole or nearly so. France and Germany will come out of it physically undamaged, but with significant political damage. They put themselves and Europe in a dangerous position through naked greed - not the actions of responsible adults and leaders of the EU. Poland and the Baltics, on the other hand, saw the same information and made appropriate decisions in time to build LNG terminals for themselves from about 2010-2015. That wasn't a coincidence. You can also argue that Poland is making an extremely foresighted choice with Ukraine which goes beyond "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Ukraine is going to come out of this war as a force to be reckoned with. Ukraine and Poland together will be the premiere military power in Europe. Ukraine also has the resources, energy, and nuclear power which will lead directly to a joint Ukraine-Poland nuclear weapons program, which is absolutely necessary for both of their long-term survivals. The Baltics, though they can't compete with Poland in terms of contribution, no doubt hope come under the Poland/Ukraine umbrella based on their loyal support. Ukraine will remember who its good friends were, and also those who weren't such good friends. Poland and the Baltics are getting on the right side of that equation. Depending on the breaks, I don't think it's impossible for Russia to break up with Ukraine eventually getting a major chunk of it, and/or for Kyiv to become the new center of the slavic world for the first time in several hundred years. So yeah, IMO Poland has some adult professionals running the country who not only know how to do the right thing, but how to maximize their benefit from it. Good analysis. I would point out it's not historically unprecedented, that power alignment. That gives it staying power. Both for emotional and BoP considerations, Britain has a long investment in Poland, going back centuries, not just to 1939. Problem has always been translating that into action in the age of sale and is a great power without a great continental army. Time in technology have also factored into this development. I believe that Central Europe along with the Baltics will be the leaders of the EU...in a very short amount of time...relatively speaking...with Poland at the helm taking the charge...with Ukraine being the catalyst... That will lead to the breakup of the EU. Western Europe is far too arrogant to allow themselves to be dominated by central Europe. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:49:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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I thought the info from an interview from Ukrainian general Marchenko was interesting, they intend to get Kherson by the fall, specifically he said the Russians will not be able to have their referendum on Sept. 11th. Then the stalemate with a few actions over the winter, and Spring 2023 cleanup.
https://wartranslated.com/ukrainian-general-marchenko/ Unfortunately, I can’t tell you any timeline or date. But I would like to say the people of Kherson – let them be patient for a while. It will not be as long as everyone expects. It will be quick. Let them hold out a little longer. We do not forget about them. No one gives up on their people. We will come to their aid, but let them wait a little longer. They will soon see and hear everything. (I): Can we liberate Crimea militarily? (M): Yes. We will liberate it militarily. No one has given up on it. Crimea is Ukraine; it’s our land. Our people are there, who are still forced to live under occupation. No one gave Russia the right to come, take a piece of land and say, “this is mine. We will reclaim Crimea, just as we will reclaim Kherson, Lugansk, and Donetsk. (I): Is it necessary to destroy the Crimean bridge to do so? (M): Yes, this is a necessary measure to deprive them of the ability to provide reserves and reinforce their troops from Russian territory. (I): What military objectives are achievable for us by the end of this year? I am not in a hurry to say for sure that this will or will not happen – I mean, what territories can we physically de-occupy by the end of the year? (M): Kherson – 100%. That is the liberation of Kherson and the end of the active phase of the war, and then there will be some more local military actions. But by the end of the year, we must finish the main phase of this war. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 12:51:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: That will lead to the breakup of the EU. Western Europe is far too arrogant to allow themselves to be dominated by central Europe. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: Originally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By Capta: Yes we are and in 10-20 years Europe may look like a very different place. Though this war is far from over, I believe Ukraine will come out whole or nearly so. France and Germany will come out of it physically undamaged, but with significant political damage. They put themselves and Europe in a dangerous position through naked greed - not the actions of responsible adults and leaders of the EU. Poland and the Baltics, on the other hand, saw the same information and made appropriate decisions in time to build LNG terminals for themselves from about 2010-2015. That wasn't a coincidence. You can also argue that Poland is making an extremely foresighted choice with Ukraine which goes beyond "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Ukraine is going to come out of this war as a force to be reckoned with. Ukraine and Poland together will be the premiere military power in Europe. Ukraine also has the resources, energy, and nuclear power which will lead directly to a joint Ukraine-Poland nuclear weapons program, which is absolutely necessary for both of their long-term survivals. The Baltics, though they can't compete with Poland in terms of contribution, no doubt hope come under the Poland/Ukraine umbrella based on their loyal support. Ukraine will remember who its good friends were, and also those who weren't such good friends. Poland and the Baltics are getting on the right side of that equation. Depending on the breaks, I don't think it's impossible for Russia to break up with Ukraine eventually getting a major chunk of it, and/or for Kyiv to become the new center of the slavic world for the first time in several hundred years. So yeah, IMO Poland has some adult professionals running the country who not only know how to do the right thing, but how to maximize their benefit from it. Good analysis. I would point out it's not historically unprecedented, that power alignment. That gives it staying power. Both for emotional and BoP considerations, Britain has a long investment in Poland, going back centuries, not just to 1939. Problem has always been translating that into action in the age of sale and is a great power without a great continental army. Time in technology have also factored into this development. I believe that Central Europe along with the Baltics will be the leaders of the EU...in a very short amount of time...relatively speaking...with Poland at the helm taking the charge...with Ukraine being the catalyst... That will lead to the breakup of the EU. Western Europe is far too arrogant to allow themselves to be dominated by central Europe. Fuck the EU then. Actions have consequences, and as the old saying goes, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 1:00:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Holy crap !!!  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Look in the commanders hatch top right of tank, I think there is a guy in there, unfortunately the front left of the tank seems to be using land mines in place of ERA. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wmp9vp/ukrainian_drone_destroying_a_russian_tank_with_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb Holy crap !!! New Russian Anti-Drone Strategy. Make the tank so explody, it takes out nearby aircraft. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 1:12:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: That will lead to the breakup of the EU. Western Europe is far too arrogant to allow themselves to be dominated by central Europe. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: Originally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By Capta: Yes we are and in 10-20 years Europe may look like a very different place. Though this war is far from over, I believe Ukraine will come out whole or nearly so. France and Germany will come out of it physically undamaged, but with significant political damage. They put themselves and Europe in a dangerous position through naked greed - not the actions of responsible adults and leaders of the EU. Poland and the Baltics, on the other hand, saw the same information and made appropriate decisions in time to build LNG terminals for themselves from about 2010-2015. That wasn't a coincidence. You can also argue that Poland is making an extremely foresighted choice with Ukraine which goes beyond "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Ukraine is going to come out of this war as a force to be reckoned with. Ukraine and Poland together will be the premiere military power in Europe. Ukraine also has the resources, energy, and nuclear power which will lead directly to a joint Ukraine-Poland nuclear weapons program, which is absolutely necessary for both of their long-term survivals. The Baltics, though they can't compete with Poland in terms of contribution, no doubt hope come under the Poland/Ukraine umbrella based on their loyal support. Ukraine will remember who its good friends were, and also those who weren't such good friends. Poland and the Baltics are getting on the right side of that equation. Depending on the breaks, I don't think it's impossible for Russia to break up with Ukraine eventually getting a major chunk of it, and/or for Kyiv to become the new center of the slavic world for the first time in several hundred years. So yeah, IMO Poland has some adult professionals running the country who not only know how to do the right thing, but how to maximize their benefit from it. Good analysis. I would point out it's not historically unprecedented, that power alignment. That gives it staying power. Both for emotional and BoP considerations, Britain has a long investment in Poland, going back centuries, not just to 1939. Problem has always been translating that into action in the age of sale and is a great power without a great continental army. Time in technology have also factored into this development. I believe that Central Europe along with the Baltics will be the leaders of the EU...in a very short amount of time...relatively speaking...with Poland at the helm taking the charge...with Ukraine being the catalyst... That will lead to the breakup of the EU. Western Europe is far too arrogant to allow themselves to be dominated by central Europe. Very true. Being half Italian and half Ukrainian and having made many business trips to western Europe I agree with you 100%. Western Europe always looked down on Slavic countries. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 1:28:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaC3XyxXEAUMbFU?format=jpg&name=900x900 The thing about blowing bridges is the conundrum of needing them to retake the territory on the other side. I understand how vital it is to cut off the enemy and isolate them, but it also makes me wonder how the decision is made to blow one. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 1:29:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: grambosc]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Truth here - great post. John Milius and his advisor Fred Rexor (look him up) even spoke about inserting realistic communist invasion scenarios into Red Dawn. Some scenes were taken out which would have just made Red Dawn even more accurate. The scene when Jed (Patrick Swayze) was told at the ranch house that the Russians were telling the Americans that the Wolverines were killing their fellow Americans (to Jed): "People are waking up with their throats cut, rumor has it that it's you." - that never made a lot of sence to me although I understood what he meant about Russias lying to the Americas they captured. A scene was cut that showed Jed and others going into neighborhoods rescuing Americans and taking them out of the city. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/wp4mk3.jpg This is a still from that cut scene. So I went looking for that deleted scene, since they aren't on my DVD copy of Red Dawn. So far, I haven't found that one, but I did find one where Gorsky was talking about how the political officer lied to their soldiers to get them to act. Similarly to how some of the captured orcs and intercepted calls have said similar things about the lead up to this invasion. Some stills from this scene:  Attached File Attached File Attached FileThat full scene:  Radames Pera in "Red Dawn" with a never before seen outtake! John Milius really understood the russcommie military psyche. If they had tried invading the US in the 80s, I'm sure it would have been a lot like that from the opening. Whether or not American partisan forces would have fought them like the wolverines did remains an unknown. I'm sure plenty would have given their all. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 1:29:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Very true. Being half Italian and half Ukrainian and having made many business trips to western Europe I agree with you 100%. Western Europe always looked down on Slavic countries. It seems like the entire world has problems caused by pride and racism. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 1:30:51 PM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2022 1:46:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 8/13/2022 1:49:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Didn't they mean "special military operation" effort? Doesn't the crime of getting that wrong bring 15 years in the gulag? |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 1:53:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: That looks to be a more stable platform than it's original carriage. I wonder how long the suspension lasts.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By Capta: Pretty cool riff on the old tank destroyer concept with an MTLB and 100mm AT gun welded into the troop compartment. It might not kill a T72 from the front but it will kill anything else. https://youtu.be/Gi0pXpoHgyI That looks to be a more stable platform than it's original carriage. I wonder how long the suspension lasts.. It has spades, the suspension should be fine. If they can dig that in and camoflage it, it would be a good way to save a Javelin on a BTR. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 1:55:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: So I went looking for that deleted scene, since they aren't on my DVD copy of Red Dawn. So far, I haven't found that one, but I did find one where Gorsky was talking about how the political officer lied to their soldiers to get them to act. Similarly to how some of the captured orcs and intercepted calls have said similar things about the lead up to this invasion. Some stills from this scene: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20220813-141320_Brave_jpg-2487718.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20220813-141250_Brave_jpg-2487716.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20220813-141330_Brave_jpg-2487717.JPG That full scene:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UipgoQb8tPEJohn Milius really understood the russcommie military psyche. If they had tried invading the US in the 80s, I'm sure it would have been a lot like that from the opening. Whether or not American partisan forces would have fought them like the wolverines did remains an unknown. I'm sure plenty would have given their all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Truth here - great post. John Milius and his advisor Fred Rexor (look him up) even spoke about inserting realistic communist invasion scenarios into Red Dawn. Some scenes were taken out which would have just made Red Dawn even more accurate. The scene when Jed (Patrick Swayze) was told at the ranch house that the Russians were telling the Americans that the Wolverines were killing their fellow Americans (to Jed): "People are waking up with their throats cut, rumor has it that it's you." - that never made a lot of sence to me although I understood what he meant about Russias lying to the Americas they captured. A scene was cut that showed Jed and others going into neighborhoods rescuing Americans and taking them out of the city. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/wp4mk3.jpg This is a still from that cut scene. So I went looking for that deleted scene, since they aren't on my DVD copy of Red Dawn. So far, I haven't found that one, but I did find one where Gorsky was talking about how the political officer lied to their soldiers to get them to act. Similarly to how some of the captured orcs and intercepted calls have said similar things about the lead up to this invasion. Some stills from this scene: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20220813-141320_Brave_jpg-2487718.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20220813-141250_Brave_jpg-2487716.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20220813-141330_Brave_jpg-2487717.JPG That full scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UipgoQb8tPEJohn Milius really understood the russcommie military psyche. If they had tried invading the US in the 80s, I'm sure it would have been a lot like that from the opening. Whether or not American partisan forces would have fought them like the wolverines did remains an unknown. I'm sure plenty would have given their all. I've seen that deleted scene, that guy's agent must have gotten the footage for his reel back then (sometimes in the actor's contract). Milius never released the other footage and when the anniversary editions were released, he was asked if they would edit in the deleated scenes and he said never. That is dumb. The McDonald's scenes were also taken out because of the mass shooting in 1984 at a McDonald's where the shooter used an UZI carbine. As far as your comment if Americans would have fought back, I was a senior in high school when it came out. I can tell you that in my opinion "hell yes". Back then, I owned an AR-15 SP1, CAR-15, M1 carbine, UZI carbine, MAC-11 pistol, Mini-14 and a pile of hunting guns and handguns. Many of my friends had guns too- no problem. The movie was a huge impact on conservative young Americans and the liberals hated it. Also, the general public hated communism for the most part and there were a ton of immigrant Slavs who fled communism, WW2 vets, etc. alive and well and they all hated communists. Unlike today with half the country being leftists and where a huge segment of conservatives have been bamboozled by the likes of Alexi Joneskov and other Russian supporting "pay-triot" talking heads - I would bet that many of their devoted listeners would side with Putin "tHe CHristIAn fIGHt'eN fEr aLL 'MeriCaNs rIGhtS 'gAInSt dA gLObaLISts" if it ever happened today. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:00:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: It's possible we are confusing stupidity with desperation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Waldo: WTF? Sure looked like they were hauling anti tank mines around on the mud guard.  Are the Russians really so fucking stupid they would use land mines as a substitute for ERA? Surely this was just an already damaged orc tank the Ukrainians decided to demo cheaply by stacking mines on top of it and lighting if off with a grenade drop so they didn't use a valuable Javelin or Stugna for the task? Or maybe the tank hit one of these mines, lost a track and Russian engineers were demining the area and stacking the located mines on the tank when the Ukrainian drone spotted their activities and decided to have a little fun? Then again, it could just be Russia being Russia. Nothing would surprise me anymore. I'd always thought the typical enlisted Russian had an average IQ of about 75. We're talking an entire army of Forrest Gumps. But if Russians are riding around in tanks outfitted with landmines for ERA, and doing so on purpose, then Forrest Gump would be a fucking genius in that army. It's possible we are confusing stupidity with desperation. I also read that it was already disabled and Ukraine put the mines on it for destruction and used a drone to do it for effect |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:04:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Very true. Being half Italian and half Ukrainian and having made many business trips to western Europe I agree with you 100%. Western Europe always looked down on Slavic countries. The locus of power on the continent will always stay with the dominant economic axis. For the last 140 years, that’s a German-based axis and it’s going to stay that way for a while. When the war is over, and after much redevelopment and several years of economic re-integration, an eastern axis *might* emerge. But it’s still an image on the horizon, not something imminent. In ~1961 A.J.P. Taylor published a book that really pissed off conventional wisdom about WWII thinking - “The Origins of the Second World War.” It was considered revisionist blather at the time; now it’s considered the best and most accurate single history on the subject. Regarding the post WWII power structure, n it he said something like (paraphrasing as I can’t find the quote easily), “In the end, what can you do with Germany besides dust it off and make it the single most powerful nation in Central Europe?” German weight is always going to make it the single most important locus of power in western Europe this side. Intellectually, morally - I disagree with almost all German foreign policy since about 1815, but you must account for it and accommodate it. Their influence - hard power and soft - won’t go away any time soon. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:06:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I also read that it was already disabled and Ukraine put the mines on it for destruction and used a drone to do it for effect If so, they forgot to tell the person inside. You can see movement in one of the hatches. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:11:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I also read that it was already disabled and Ukraine put the mines on it for destruction and used a drone to do it for effect That’s a common Russian bot talking point, they regurgitated every time there’s footage of a tank being blown up. That one was occupied by a human being out so I really doubt it was staged |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:17:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: If so, they forgot to tell the person inside. You can see movement in one of the hatches. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By AROKIE: I also read that it was already disabled and Ukraine put the mines on it for destruction and used a drone to do it for effect If so, they forgot to tell the person inside. You can see movement in one of the hatches. Is there tho? I'm not seeing it..but I don't know. I just report what I've read..no bias on the issue |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:18:11 PM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:18:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: That’s a common Russian bot talking point, they regurgitated every time there’s footage of a tank being blown up. That one was occupied by a human being out so I really doubt it was staged Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By AROKIE: I also read that it was already disabled and Ukraine put the mines on it for destruction and used a drone to do it for effect That’s a common Russian bot talking point, they regurgitated every time there’s footage of a tank being blown up. That one was occupied by a human being out so I really doubt it was staged Yea I'm not saying it wasnt Russian bs. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:22:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Iranian arms (drones?) deliveries to Russia? - Cargo flights documented, from Haaretz.
- 3 total flights from Iranian Republican Guards cargo carriers to Moscow in all of 2021 - 42 flights documented April - August 2022 Flights are of carriers affiliated with IRG, not their own planes. The same planes used to fly weapons to Syria, etc. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2022-08-12/ty-article/amid-drone-deal-irgc-linked-flights-to-russia-surge/00000182-8bcc-da98-abf6-bfdd2d710000 |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:24:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: The locus of power on the continent will always stay with the dominant economic axis. For the last 140 years, that’s a German-based axis and it’s going to stay that way for a while. When the war is over, and after much redevelopment and several years of economic re-integration, an eastern axis *might* emerge. But it’s still an image on the horizon, not something imminent. In ~1961 A.J.P. Taylor published a book that really pissed off conventional wisdom about WWII thinking - “The Origins of the Second World War.” It was considered revisionist blather at the time; now it’s considered the best and most accurate single history on the subject. Regarding the post WWII power structure, n it he said something like (paraphrasing as I can’t find the quote easily), “In the end, what can you do with Germany besides dust it off and make it the single most powerful nation in Central Europe?” German weight is always going to make it the single most important locus of power in western Europe this side. Intellectually, morally - I disagree with almost all German foreign policy since about 1815, but you must account for it and accommodate it. Their influence - hard power and soft - won’t go away any time soon. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Very true. Being half Italian and half Ukrainian and having made many business trips to western Europe I agree with you 100%. Western Europe always looked down on Slavic countries. The locus of power on the continent will always stay with the dominant economic axis. For the last 140 years, that’s a German-based axis and it’s going to stay that way for a while. When the war is over, and after much redevelopment and several years of economic re-integration, an eastern axis *might* emerge. But it’s still an image on the horizon, not something imminent. In ~1961 A.J.P. Taylor published a book that really pissed off conventional wisdom about WWII thinking - “The Origins of the Second World War.” It was considered revisionist blather at the time; now it’s considered the best and most accurate single history on the subject. Regarding the post WWII power structure, n it he said something like (paraphrasing as I can’t find the quote easily), “In the end, what can you do with Germany besides dust it off and make it the single most powerful nation in Central Europe?” German weight is always going to make it the single most important locus of power in western Europe this side. Intellectually, morally - I disagree with almost all German foreign policy since about 1815, but you must account for it and accommodate it. Their influence - hard power and soft - won’t go away any time soon. Interesting. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:34:40 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By acrocat: According to Steven Seagal, Zelensky used HIMARS on the prison to silence a Nazi who knew too much.  https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2022/08/09/steven-seagal-appears-in-ukraine-serving-as-a-russian-spokesperson/ Seagal is fucking Trash. I used to think he was an American patriot years ago..what a pile of pig shit, all for money. Sold his soul..fuck him I hope he doesn't come back |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:45:33 PM EST
[#31]
Video is of an S-300 unit and other air defense systems moving and being reported by citizens. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:46:49 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: with that being said. I wonder if its a "here's a box of spare part". And then we(US) can say "we didn't give them anything that could reach out that far" I was hoping they (US) would send some of their newer stuff for testing, But its gonna be alot more beneficial if UA is making these themselves. Getting the missile there (target) is only half the battle, how advanced is UA ability to cloak said missile? Its hard for me to tell how sophisticated the cloaking needs to be, because RU missile defense might be like the rest of their garbage tech. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: I keep telling people here over and over again about Ukrainian capabilities, for people to find out later, happen to be true. Ukraine has a robust rocket science program. Much of the Soviet ballistic missile tech was blueprinted in Ukraine then farmed out for production. A 500km range cruise or ballistic missile attack is well within their “I can make one in a couple of weeks category”. The issue is production of more than just a dozen or so of the rockets. Motor sich, yuzmasch, and others this capability. Main issue was money to do more than just make a couple for export exhibition. The Neptune is a good example. It sunk a flag ship. 100% indigenous design. Range was longer than 300km. I know that for sure. Not going to put out speculation about the Crimean airbase attack. with that being said. I wonder if its a "here's a box of spare part". And then we(US) can say "we didn't give them anything that could reach out that far" I was hoping they (US) would send some of their newer stuff for testing, But its gonna be alot more beneficial if UA is making these themselves. Getting the missile there (target) is only half the battle, how advanced is UA ability to cloak said missile? Its hard for me to tell how sophisticated the cloaking needs to be, because RU missile defense might be like the rest of their garbage tech. They were close to testing the homegrown ballistic missile GRIM when the war broke out. It's a strong possibility that we helped speed it up and helped with obtaining certain components for it to an accurate projectile like the ATACMs. So we prob. Did send them some items in the "spare parts" stuff we sent to help that happen |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 2:51:59 PM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2022 3:40:23 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Probably Chechens fighting Siberians/Asians over a washing machine or goat or something, Usually a donkey. For sexual purposes.
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Posted: 8/13/2022 3:41:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Seriously: I will chip in a few $$ IF you find an inflatable HIMARS and can get it shipped to the right people in Ukraine (or to a pick up point in Poland). The Ukrainian military will know where best to use it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I wondered where these inflatable S-300 Sam systems were coming from. These look like so much fun for the yard. I'm not a responsible adult though. https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/He8cefef5697b4cbf87f3ed046dc9083bC.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB1URRPeDfN8KJjSZFjq6xGvpXaJ.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB1XiAYdzgy_uJjSZK9q6xvlFXaB.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB13KVImdzJ8KJjSspkq6zF7VXaf.jpg_720x720q50.jpg Like the Russian guided missile electronic components, Alibaba is their friend. Group buy for $2,000. https://m.alibaba.com/product/60731054529/Inflatable-military-decoy-inflatable-Defense-Missile.html Seriously: I will chip in a few $$ IF you find an inflatable HIMARS and can get it shipped to the right people in Ukraine (or to a pick up point in Poland). The Ukrainian military will know where best to use it.  |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 3:47:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Poking out of a window on the 2nd floor of a building? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I wondered where these inflatable S-300 Sam systems were coming from. These look like so much fun for the yard. I'm not a responsible adult though. https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/He8cefef5697b4cbf87f3ed046dc9083bC.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB1URRPeDfN8KJjSZFjq6xGvpXaJ.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB1XiAYdzgy_uJjSZK9q6xvlFXaB.jpg_720x720q50.jpg https://s.alicdn.com/@sc04/kf/HTB13KVImdzJ8KJjSspkq6zF7VXaf.jpg_720x720q50.jpg Like the Russian guided missile electronic components, Alibaba is their friend. Group buy for $2,000. https://m.alibaba.com/product/60731054529/Inflatable-military-decoy-inflatable-Defense-Missile.html Seriously: I will chip in a few $$ IF you find an inflatable HIMARS and can get it shipped to the right people in Ukraine (or to a pick up point in Poland). The Ukrainian military will know where best to use it. lol, but seriously, I contacted 4 different places and none of them do inflatable HIMARS or FMTV trucks.  One company did do fake F-22's though, all others mostly did Soviet equipment. And F-16's 
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Posted: 8/13/2022 3:51:49 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: The thing about blowing bridges is the conundrum of needing them to retake the territory on the other side. I understand how vital it is to cut off the enemy and isolate them, but it also makes me wonder how the decision is made to blow one. On the offensive you would probably rather use engineering assets, so that you can choose both the time and place of your crossing. Not that the Russians couldn't ID likely crossing sites and make things difficult for the Ukrainians, but they haven't proven very competent to date so perhaps that is less of a concern. I would only use fixed bridges if they were still somehow still standing after you had accomplished your main objectives; too big a target and canalizes your forces in a dangerous way. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 3:57:33 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, but seriously, I contacted 4 different places and none of them do inflatable HIMARS or FMTV trucks. One company did do fake F-22's though, all others mostly did Soviet equipment.https://i2kdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/f22-jet02-1195x800-2-768x514.webp And F-16's https://i2kdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/f16e-1010x800-1-768x608.webp Thanks for making the effort. Perhaps one of them will realize there is market potential there, and develop one on their own. The US and NATO need to take tactical deception a lot more seriously in the future, as this conflict has demonstrated numerous times. 
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Posted: 8/13/2022 4:01:24 PM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2022 4:02:27 PM EST
[#40]
Regarding the M113s, I am glad to see they are A2 models. With the spall liners and the fuel tanks outside, they have to be more survivable than a BMP or an MTLB. Not a war winner by any means but it's also much better than an SUV for all those general "battle taxi" tasks.
I just hope somebody finds a green can of paint soon, because they stick out like a sore thumb.
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Posted: 8/13/2022 4:03:21 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonKey153: Originally Posted By K0UA: Usually a donkey. For sexual purposes. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/nod-3.gif lol |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 4:05:46 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: I've seen that deleted scene, that guy's agent must have gotten the footage for his reel back then (sometimes in the actor's contract). Milius never released the other footage and when the anniversary editions were released, he was asked if they would edit in the deleated scenes and he said never. That is dumb. The McDonald's scenes were also taken out because of the mass shooting in 1984 at a McDonald's where the shooter used an UZI carbine. As far as your comment if Americans would have fought back, I was a senior in high school when it came out. I can tell you that in my opinion "hell yes". I owned an AR-15, M1 carbine, UZI carbine, MAC-11 pistol, Mini-14 and a pile of hunting guns and handguns. Many of my friends had guns too- no problem. The movie was a huge impact on conservative young Americans and the liberals hated it. Also, the general public hated communism for the most part and there were a ton of immigrant Slavs who fled communism, WW2 vets, etc. alive and well and they all hated communists. Unlike today with half the country being leftists and where a huge segment of conservatives have been bamboozled by the likes of Alexi Joneskov and other Russian supporting "pay-triot" talking heads - I would bet that many of their devoted listeners would side with Putin "tHe CHristIAn fIGHt'eN fEr aLL 'MeriCaNs rIGhtS 'gAInSt dA gLObaLISts" if it ever happened today. I was born in the early 80s and didn't really know what was going on until the Berlin wall came down. I'm sure many here in the Carolinas would have given them one hell of a fight. Today, who knows? We are more divided than ever, and so many have been sucked in by what should be obvious propaganda. Ukraine is experiencing a real life Red Dawn, and I don't envy them for it. I'm proud of how hard they fight them, and what they have accomplished so far. I hate the loss of innocent life at the hands of the orcs though. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 4:07:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: DKUltra]
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Posted: 8/13/2022 4:10:48 PM EST
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Posted: 8/13/2022 4:11:37 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DKUltra: Ho lee crap How do I order one for my Christmas display  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/110810/74C10AAB-6B26-4323-BE62-F682E2B45040_jpe-2487984.JPG lol, I know they are so cool.
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Posted: 8/13/2022 4:14:39 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Is there tho? I'm not seeing it..but I don't know. I just report what I've read..no bias on the issue Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By AROKIE: I also read that it was already disabled and Ukraine put the mines on it for destruction and used a drone to do it for effect If so, they forgot to tell the person inside. You can see movement in one of the hatches. Is there tho? I'm not seeing it..but I don't know. I just report what I've read..no bias on the issue It looks more like rolling smoke than a person to me. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 4:17:18 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: They probably did…..the beauty of this trap is that even though they know it’s a trap they have to step into it anyway. They have to keep Kherson and with it control of Crimea’s water supply. Pulling out and letting UA take it back would be a strategic catastrophe for them so they have to hold it at all costs. UA is leveraging that against them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Think of all the forces and equipment getting mired in that trap that now can't be used to quickly reinforce other fronts should they be needed. Seems like the Russians haven't been thinking of that. They probably did…..the beauty of this trap is that even though they know it’s a trap they have to step into it anyway. They have to keep Kherson and with it control of Crimea’s water supply. Pulling out and letting UA take it back would be a strategic catastrophe for them so they have to hold it at all costs. UA is leveraging that against them. Is there anything Russia can do to prolong pain of losing Kherson and the water supply? Would it be possible lock or damage things into a “open” position before they left the area? Apologies if that’s an ignorant question but just curious if that would be a possibility to sabotage it to benefit them for some time. |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 4:50:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: Jack67]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firefly1032: Is there anything Russia can do to prolong pain of losing Kherson and the water supply? Would it be possible lock or damage things into a “open” position before they left the area? Apologies if that’s an ignorant question but just curious if that would be a possibility to sabotage it to benefit them for some time. Not really from what I can figure. From years of flooding and erosion, the opposite banks of the Dnieper are distinctly different heights. If you flooded, you would flood the left bank, which is to the south and in your line of retreat. They could wreck the control mechanisms - sure, but they couldn't really lock them open or they'd kill themselves and a large number of their own forces. I posted this map a while back on this, it should show you. The base of the arrow is roughly where the dam is located, the arrow represents what would flood:  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 5:18:38 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Fuck the EU then. Actions have consequences, and as the old saying goes, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Oh no. Another corrupt bureaucracy fails! |
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Posted: 8/13/2022 5:20:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: It looks more like rolling smoke than a person to me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By AROKIE: I also read that it was already disabled and Ukraine put the mines on it for destruction and used a drone to do it for effect If so, they forgot to tell the person inside. You can see movement in one of the hatches. Is there tho? I'm not seeing it..but I don't know. I just report what I've read..no bias on the issue It looks more like rolling smoke than a person to me. I thought it was smoke at first too, a larger monitor showed a head, torso and arms moving something before the strike. Either way, facinating. |
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