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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:40:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: He isn't an idiot, trying to pull a Franco? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif WTF? I'm just as confused as you guys.  He isn't an idiot, trying to pull a Franco? Like a 1000 pages ago I said the bubmling idiot skit was just a routine and he's walking a tight line so he can pick a side any time he sees fit. Not suprising for a dictator that is able to stay in power so long. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:41:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Billy_Ringo: Looks like they are going to place the blame for the Ukraine disaster directly at the one responsible--Putin. Interesting timing and wonder about the sources who decided now is the time to break this. Internal Russian forces are piling up against Putin and it seems to be accelerating. Good. I wouldn’t go that far yet. This is a western source, not a Russian source. And while it may be true, it may as well be on the moon for all the effect it will have on the Russian people. They will never see it, and if they do they won’t believe it. They’re busy trumpeting that the hohols tried to kill their beloved leader. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:43:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Obrez]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Unfortunately, I think for certain persons on the right, Zelensky’s … heritage greatly outweighs his heroism. If you know what I mean. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By sq40: That dude has a pair of coconuts for sure. He will have whole chapters in history books, and some big statues. Some people on the right like to idolize Putin, but if you want a living foreign war leader to admire, Zelenskyy is the guy. Unfortunately, I think for certain persons on the right, Zelensky’s … heritage greatly outweighs his heroism. If you know what I mean. He is deserving of criticism but there is no denying that the image and message he's put out has been beneficial throughout this war. I think it's pretty safe to say that he's the right man for the job right now, despite his flaws in other areas. I'm still confused about his seemingly nonchalant approach in the lead up in January and February. As a side note and general observation of the discussions I've seen on this board and elsewhere, it's pretty lame how "putin dicksucker" is just the new "sorry your girl lost" from the Current ThingTM crowd every time someone is caught not verbally fellating him at all times. I'm not an expert but I think he's got some answering to do about all that off-shore tax evasion stuff and whatnot but if I was busy fighting off an invading force, I probably wouldn't care too much about petty politician money games and I expect I'd more so appreciate the support his public displays generate. He's the right guy in the right place at the right time and the people there seem to be good with it, so that's all the really matters. And yes, I expect he will be the current era's "great one" in future history books. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:44:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif WTF? I keep telling everyone, Lukashenko may be examining his options. Russia is at the stage where they probably can’t do shit to him if he decides to turn coat. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:45:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Past a freshly dug position sporting a maxim gun! |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:46:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: Edit: People forget there were Russian Death Squads around Kiev during the deepest infiltrations of the early war. Reporters were getting shot at by Russian roadblocks that were meant to get Zelensky or any other bits of the power structure, too. Also, remember when they were handing out tens of thousands of guns? Last I remembered, some of those newly-minted 2A supporters found and killed some of those Russian saboteur squads, too. Many, many, many things have been buried but all the rumors and stories are here, mired in pages 200-800. I know I'm over 30 pages behind, but this is an interesting point. This thread is a valuable play by play archive of how this war has developed, as well as perceptions of its development. I wonder if there's a way to download it as a text file that could be edited to remove irrelevant content for future study? |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:46:57 PM EDT
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What ever happened to the Chechen "Special Forces" units that were on social media early in the invasion? Did they take their looted tractors and go home?
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Ukrainian BMP-2 engages KA-52 helicopter with cannon. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xe4g3l/russian_helicopter_flew_to_destroy_ukraine_convoy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 You can see the KA-52 was doing the usual rocket toss and then dove back down to low altitude. Crazy, it had multiple SPAGs right in front of it but made no effort to attack directly. Just salvoed the rockets and left. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:50:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroEngineer: What ever happened to the Chechen "Special Forces" units that were on social media early in the invasion? Did they take their looted tractors and go home? IIRC they are just dying to get back to a place that has a signal so they can upload their next video. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:51:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Hes trying to not swing from a lamp post. Belarus may also be slowly turning into WW2 Italy and wanting to switch sides Sounded like a cry for help to me. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:53:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alphascout: Is it just me, or does it sound like there is a Gepard nearby. Listen for the burst. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alphascout: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Ukrainian BMP-2 engages KA-52 helicopter with cannon. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xe4g3l/russian_helicopter_flew_to_destroy_ukraine_convoy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Is it just me, or does it sound like there is a Gepard nearby. Listen for the burst. HOLY SHIT you’re right. You can hear the usual “stutter” from the two guns firing at slightly different rates. And you can hear guys nearby cheer when it fires! Good catch! |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:54:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alphascout: Is it just me, or does it sound like there is a Gepard nearby. Listen for the burst. Yeah. Sounds like someone ripping some sack cloth, Gepard style. Can we confirm that the helo took a hit? |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:54:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcntRdtXgAAgKsg?format=jpg&name=900x900 That gun with the Elcan had a Diemaco feel to it. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:55:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: You can see the KA-52 was doing the usual rocket toss and then dove back down to low altitude. Crazy, it had multiple SPAGs right in front of it but made no effort to attack directly. Just salvoed the rockets and left. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Ukrainian BMP-2 engages KA-52 helicopter with cannon. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xe4g3l/russian_helicopter_flew_to_destroy_ukraine_convoy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 You can see the KA-52 was doing the usual rocket toss and then dove back down to low altitude. Crazy, it had multiple SPAGs right in front of it but made no effort to attack directly. Just salvoed the rockets and left. Sometimes when I post these I'm on a tablet, but later when I look at things on my large monitor things are clearer. It certainly did look like a rocket toss, and I would love to see Gepard or Shilka kills because they were made for this kind of situation. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:56:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: In short, it’s very, very much like Ukraine but a smaller scale. -Border country with different ethnicity that has been previously conquered and integrated into the Russian Empire -Broke away in 1991, established a treaty and independence. -Treaty discarded after Putin came to power in favor of hostility and re-acquisition. -Brief war in 2008 with full Russian buffet of civilian terror attacks, torture, etc. -Russia has backed two break-away regions in order to destabilize Georgia. Since Catherine the Great took it away from the Persian sphere, Georgia was the buffer for Russia in that region. Tbilsi, the capital, was strategically significant for Russian imperialists to wage intrigue and war against Muslim states in the region - base of ops in WWI, and where occupation of Iran was staged in WWII. Losing Georgia, even though it’s not Russian, is humiliating to the imperialists. Georgia will take this opportunity most probably to re-take Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the areas Russia has aided in breaking away and destabilizing Georgia. And, lol, “Georgi” is Slavic for George, which is from Greek for “farmer” and just a common name. “Giorgi” is another regional variation. Wasnt Stalin born in Georgia... |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:57:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: I don't think so, I think Mal has it right. He sees the writing on the wall and is switching sides. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By stone-age: It sounds to me like he is laughing at europe. I don't think so, I think Mal has it right. He sees the writing on the wall and is switching sides. And he may very well have a limited number of nuclear weapons thanks to Putin. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 12:57:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:02:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Wasnt Stalin born in Georgia... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Jack67: In short, it’s very, very much like Ukraine but a smaller scale. -Border country with different ethnicity that has been previously conquered and integrated into the Russian Empire -Broke away in 1991, established a treaty and independence. -Treaty discarded after Putin came to power in favor of hostility and re-acquisition. -Brief war in 2008 with full Russian buffet of civilian terror attacks, torture, etc. -Russia has backed two break-away regions in order to destabilize Georgia. Since Catherine the Great took it away from the Persian sphere, Georgia was the buffer for Russia in that region. Tbilsi, the capital, was strategically significant for Russian imperialists to wage intrigue and war against Muslim states in the region - base of ops in WWI, and where occupation of Iran was staged in WWII. Losing Georgia, even though it’s not Russian, is humiliating to the imperialists. Georgia will take this opportunity most probably to re-take Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the areas Russia has aided in breaking away and destabilizing Georgia. And, lol, “Georgi” is Slavic for George, which is from Greek for “farmer” and just a common name. “Giorgi” is another regional variation. Wasnt Stalin born in Georgia... Yes, but oddly enough it seems only westerners call Georgia, Georgia. They call it Sakartvelo, and Russians call it Gruzla. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:03:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Wow, how did that even happen?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcl8gFdXwAI5kJ6?format=jpg&name=small I think it's a "Tin Shield" ST-68U radar, pretty expensive and significant. https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/11.ancient/karte059.en.html |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:03:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Unfortunately, I think for certain persons on the right, Zelensky’s … heritage greatly outweighs his heroism. If you know what I mean. It's possible, although Z is hardly overt about his religion. I only hear it mentioned as a foil against the stupid "Ukrainian nazi" slur. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obrez: He is deserving of criticism but there is no denying that the image and message he's put out has been beneficial throughout this war. I think it's pretty safe to say that he's the right man for the job right now, despite his flaws in other areas. I'm still confused about his seemingly nonchalant approach in the lead up in January and February. As a side note and general observation of the discussions I've seen on this board and elsewhere, it's pretty lame how "putin dicksucker" is just the new "sorry your girl lost" from the Current ThingTM crowd every time someone is caught not verbally fellating him at all times. I'm not an expert but I think he's got some answering to do about all that off-shore tax evasion stuff and whatnot but if I was busy fighting off an invading force, I probably wouldn't care too much about petty politician money games and I expect I'd more so appreciate the support his public displays generate. He's the right guy in the right place at the right time and the people there seem to be good with it, so that's all the really matters. And yes, I expect he will be the current era's "great one" in future history books. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obrez: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By sq40: That dude has a pair of coconuts for sure. He will have whole chapters in history books, and some big statues. Some people on the right like to idolize Putin, but if you want a living foreign war leader to admire, Zelenskyy is the guy. Unfortunately, I think for certain persons on the right, Zelensky’s … heritage greatly outweighs his heroism. If you know what I mean. He is deserving of criticism but there is no denying that the image and message he's put out has been beneficial throughout this war. I think it's pretty safe to say that he's the right man for the job right now, despite his flaws in other areas. I'm still confused about his seemingly nonchalant approach in the lead up in January and February. As a side note and general observation of the discussions I've seen on this board and elsewhere, it's pretty lame how "putin dicksucker" is just the new "sorry your girl lost" from the Current ThingTM crowd every time someone is caught not verbally fellating him at all times. I'm not an expert but I think he's got some answering to do about all that off-shore tax evasion stuff and whatnot but if I was busy fighting off an invading force, I probably wouldn't care too much about petty politician money games and I expect I'd more so appreciate the support his public displays generate. He's the right guy in the right place at the right time and the people there seem to be good with it, so that's all the really matters. And yes, I expect he will be the current era's "great one" in future history books. I think you missed my point. Zelensky is Jewish. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:05:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
So the Russians hit a power station as part of their SOP terror attacks resulting in more water they have to ford or swim across to escape? |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:06:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroEngineer: What ever happened to the Chechen "Special Forces" units that were on social media early in the invasion? Did they take their looted tractors and go home? They are back.
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:06:44 PM EDT
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I'm so sorry if this is posted elsewhere but, the Azeri conflict is getting really intense, really fast.
- Armenia has reported that the Azeris have killed at least 105 soldiers in the initial attacks. Even more are suspected. - Armenia has already offered the Azeris the entire territories of Nargorno-Kharbakh (which the last war was over), and the Azeris have rejected it so far, it seems. - Azerbaijan has already pushed 5km deep on multiple fronts, and 4 cities are under attacked by the Azeri armed forces. - Khazakhstan has already told Armenia (as part of the CSTO, they pulled their Article 4 which is the equivalent of NATO's Article 5) to FOAD.
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:08:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: So the Russians hit a power station as part of their SOP terror attacks resulting in more water they have to ford or swim across to escape? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
So the Russians hit a power station as part of their SOP terror attacks resulting in more water they have to ford or swim across to escape? Reports are saying that the rise in water level might wash away Ukrainian pontoon bridges that are used to supply the offensive. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:09:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Like a 1000 pages ago I said the bubmling idiot skit was just a routine and he's walking a tight line so he can pick a side any time he sees fit. Not suprising for a dictator that is able to stay in power so long. I think I remember reading that and it was compelling. Either that guy is incredibly lucky OR he is a shrewd and skilled dictator. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:10:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hking]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: They are back.
This is a pretty good sign that Russia is completely out of armored vehicle reserves  These beardy bois are going to have a lot of fun when the VOG dropping drones show up. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:11:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:13:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Agreed 100%. Some fools will criticize Z for being a TV personality and comedian in his prior life. At least he was very good at it and was even well known and popular in Russia. Apparently Zelensky has the heart of a warrior and a patriot. Comedians and entertainers can read a crowd and know how far to go. He reminds me of Reagan with that and his charisma. Would I agree with all of his policies? Undoubtedly not. Is he a fantastic war leader? Slavic Churchill in his mobilization of language? Absolutely. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:14:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Reports are saying that the rise in water level might wash away Ukrainian pontoon bridges that are used to supply the offensive. Oh OK. Thanks. So I was half right. 
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:16:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Ya that was weird. My take was him mocking Europe because of Russian gas being cut off. So he’s basically saying, they can always heat themselves with firewood which we have plenty of. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:18:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:18:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: That gun with the Elcan had a Diemaco feel to it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcntRdtXgAAgKsg?format=jpg&name=900x900 That gun with the Elcan had a Diemaco feel to it. Ukrainian soldiers have been photographed carrying C7 rifles so it probably is. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:19:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: I'm so sorry if this is posted elsewhere but, the Azeri conflict is getting really intense, really fast. - Armenia has reported that the Azeris have killed at least 105 soldiers in the initial attacks. Even more are suspected. - Armenia has already offered the Azeris the entire territories of Nargorno-Kharbakh (which the last war was over), and the Azeris have rejected it so far, it seems. - Azerbaijan has already pushed 5km deep on multiple fronts, and 4 cities are under attacked by the Azeri armed forces. - Khazakhstan has already told Armenia (as part of the CSTO, they pulled their Article 4 which is the equivalent of NATO's Article 5) to FOAD.
Being admitted ignorant of the situation, I'm generally sympathetic to Armenia. I understand they are "allied" with Russia to some extent and the Azeri seem to be the aggressors. Can anyone offer some analysis to this to enlighten me. Are there implications with this conflict that relate to the Russia/Ukraine war? |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:21:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: I'm so sorry if this is posted elsewhere but, the Azeri conflict is getting really intense, really fast. - Armenia has reported that the Azeris have killed at least 105 soldiers in the initial attacks. Even more are suspected. - Armenia has already offered the Azeris the entire territories of Nargorno-Kharbakh (which the last war was over), and the Azeris have rejected it so far, it seems. - Azerbaijan has already pushed 5km deep on multiple fronts, and 4 cities are under attacked by the Azeri armed forces. - Khazakhstan has already told Armenia (as part of the CSTO, they pulled their Article 4 which is the equivalent of NATO's Article 5) to FOAD.
This is a situation that NATO should quietly get ahead of. Let the Azeris and the Turks know that there’s a limit on what they can do and they’ll have a major problem if they go past that. If we don’t, Armenia is a disaster waiting to happen. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:24:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Comments saying that Ukrainian forces never went into the town. They stopped short. The flags that were put up were by citizens. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:25:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Comedians and entertainers can read a crowd and know how far to go. He reminds me of Reagan with that and his charisma. Would I agree with all of his policies? Undoubtedly not. Is he a fantastic war leader? Slavic Churchill in his mobilization of language? Absolutely. Agreed. It's possible, maybe even likely that if we somehow managed to translate Zelensky's personal politics into our domestic US politics, he would be considered a liberal or progressive, which I would find reprehensible, domestically speaking. Regardless, I greatly admire the man for his courage, leadership, and above all his love of his country and people, which seem to go against the politics of our domestic liberals. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:31:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Comments saying that Ukrainian forces never went into the town. They stopped short. The flags that were put up were by citizens. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Comments saying that Ukrainian forces never went into the town. They stopped short. The flags that were put up were by citizens. That makes more sense then from other reports. Thanks, I don't have time to read through each post sometimes.
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:32:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: THOT_Vaccine]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Being admitted ignorant of the situation, I'm generally sympathetic to Armenia. I understand they are "allied" with Russia to some extent and the Azeri seem to be the aggressors. Can anyone offer some analysis to this to enlighten me. Are there implications with this conflict that relate to the Russia/Ukraine war? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By SpaceGuy: I'm so sorry if this is posted elsewhere but, the Azeri conflict is getting really intense, really fast. - Armenia has reported that the Azeris have killed at least 105 soldiers in the initial attacks. Even more are suspected. - Armenia has already offered the Azeris the entire territories of Nargorno-Kharbakh (which the last war was over), and the Azeris have rejected it so far, it seems. - Azerbaijan has already pushed 5km deep on multiple fronts, and 4 cities are under attacked by the Azeri armed forces. - Khazakhstan has already told Armenia (as part of the CSTO, they pulled their Article 4 which is the equivalent of NATO's Article 5) to FOAD.
Being admitted ignorant of the situation, I'm generally sympathetic to Armenia. I understand they are "allied" with Russia to some extent and the Azeri seem to be the aggressors. Can anyone offer some analysis to this to enlighten me. Are there implications with this conflict that relate to the Russia/Ukraine war? Both of them were tit-for-tatting even when the Russians killed all of them for doing it. Neither has the ability to just sit down and shut up. Just because one side was able to get the upper hand once and go on a murder spree, doesn't make the "looser" a good guy. At one point the Russians were backing the other side too... Call it a fucked up mess caused by congenital idiots and you won't be far wrong. Personal opinion: Russia celebrates every time someone from either side dies. It makes both of them weak and subject to influence. One side is NATO and EU allied though. So fuck it maybe once one of them "wins" they will stop murdering each other, |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:33:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:39:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Queue Scorpions “Winds of Change”…. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:41:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Being admitted ignorant of the situation, I'm generally sympathetic to Armenia. I understand they are "allied" with Russia to some extent and the Azeri seem to be the aggressors. Can anyone offer some analysis to this to enlighten me. Are there implications with this conflict that relate to the Russia/Ukraine war? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By SpaceGuy: I'm so sorry if this is posted elsewhere but, the Azeri conflict is getting really intense, really fast. - Armenia has reported that the Azeris have killed at least 105 soldiers in the initial attacks. Even more are suspected. - Armenia has already offered the Azeris the entire territories of Nargorno-Kharbakh (which the last war was over), and the Azeris have rejected it so far, it seems. - Azerbaijan has already pushed 5km deep on multiple fronts, and 4 cities are under attacked by the Azeri armed forces. - Khazakhstan has already told Armenia (as part of the CSTO, they pulled their Article 4 which is the equivalent of NATO's Article 5) to FOAD.
Being admitted ignorant of the situation, I'm generally sympathetic to Armenia. I understand they are "allied" with Russia to some extent and the Azeri seem to be the aggressors. Can anyone offer some analysis to this to enlighten me. Are there implications with this conflict that relate to the Russia/Ukraine war? It’s a bad situation overall. First, the Turks killed 1-2 million of them in WWI in the Armenian Genocide which the Turks still refuse to acknowledge. Armenia is “allied” with Russia because they’re a small country and they need protection from Turkey and Azerbaijan. Armenia has fought multiple wars since the 90s with Azerbaijan over the Nagorno-Karabach region, an area of ethnic Armenians located inside Azerbaijan. I won’t presume to say who is “right” here. As with many such conflicts, it’s messy and bloody and there probably is no completely “right” side. Armenia got the run of the early fights, but the worm turned in 2020 and the Armenians were hit hard by TB2s. There is strong speculation that the Russians stood by and let the Armenians get hammered to deepen Armenia’s dependence on Russia. Given the history of the last 100 years and the fact that Russia is probably no longer in any position to help, Armenia is in a very, very bad position. Hence my belief that NATO or at least the US has to quietly put some limits on what the Turks can do. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:42:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lightning_P38]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: If this is anything it's a false flag on himself to generate sympathy and outrage from the Russian public. It's another Dugina ploy. You think that anyone with the organization, people, and tactics to make an otherwise successful attack on Putin's motorcade is going to throw a pipe bomb? Putin may not even have been in the motorcade. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:48:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I think you missed my point. Zelensky is Jewish. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Obrez: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By sq40: That dude has a pair of coconuts for sure. He will have whole chapters in history books, and some big statues. Some people on the right like to idolize Putin, but if you want a living foreign war leader to admire, Zelenskyy is the guy. Unfortunately, I think for certain persons on the right, Zelensky’s … heritage greatly outweighs his heroism. If you know what I mean. He is deserving of criticism but there is no denying that the image and message he's put out has been beneficial throughout this war. I think it's pretty safe to say that he's the right man for the job right now, despite his flaws in other areas. I'm still confused about his seemingly nonchalant approach in the lead up in January and February. As a side note and general observation of the discussions I've seen on this board and elsewhere, it's pretty lame how "putin dicksucker" is just the new "sorry your girl lost" from the Current ThingTM crowd every time someone is caught not verbally fellating him at all times. I'm not an expert but I think he's got some answering to do about all that off-shore tax evasion stuff and whatnot but if I was busy fighting off an invading force, I probably wouldn't care too much about petty politician money games and I expect I'd more so appreciate the support his public displays generate. He's the right guy in the right place at the right time and the people there seem to be good with it, so that's all the really matters. And yes, I expect he will be the current era's "great one" in future history books. I think you missed my point. Zelensky is Jewish. Ah. I indeed missed your point then. Although I think my comments stand in general. |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:51:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Queue Scorpions “Winds of Change”…. Belarus could block rail lines to Kaliningrad. He's got alot of power there. If they lose Sevastopol to Ukrainians... |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:53:34 PM EDT
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[#47]
 The Day Russian Democracy Died This seems relevant. Video is when Russia tasted democracy, albeit for only a short time… |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:54:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
damn, that was a long shot |
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:56:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcntRdtXgAAgKsg?format=jpg&name=900x900 Looks like the barrel has FURY on it. 
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Posted: 9/14/2022 1:57:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: I love seeing those Maxim water cooled MG's on their little wheeled carriages in a modern war. Nothing wrong with them on the defense, much better while stationary than the more portable air cooled MG's. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I love seeing those Maxim water cooled MG's on their little wheeled carriages in a modern war. Nothing wrong with them on the defense, much better while stationary than the more portable air cooled MG's. How about this little old Bavarian bastard instead…  Attached File |
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