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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:09:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:09:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: How survivable would these be? Or would they just operate them over uncontested airspace? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
How survivable would these be? Or would they just operate them over uncontested airspace? The key to these bigger systems with much better optics and radar is that yes, you can keep them hundreds of miles behind the front lines, with say an S-300 and other air defense systems underneath it while it detects for the the user all the enemy units from over 30,000 feet up and can zoom in with thermal imaging systems to make positive ID on targets and threats. It can also stay up for over a day, continuously monitoring the front line. It can laser designate targets and guide precision weapons, laser and GPS. It would be very useful. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:15:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: What did it say? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: Originally Posted By rgkeller: According to this NYT report from the front line, things are not so rosy in the battles around Kherson as many here have assumed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html What did it say? Link worked for me. Lots of hard-fought, gritty fighting that is artillery-centric versus direct stand-up fighting. Russians are heavily dug in and have more of their better forces compared to the eastern front. UA forces need more ammo. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:16:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: No way.. the Grey eagle is years ahead of the predator. With automatic take off and landing |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:17:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Translation: everyone saw HIMARS and wants to buy them. Let us get in on some of that action. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:19:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I agree, but the fact that the manufacturer is asking for their units to go is a big indicator that they want to showcase how their systems work. You can't get better sales videos than the ones that are used against actual fielded forces on a battlefield. Everyone in the defense industries of NATO and the US is chomping at the bit. The only limitation is each countries respective governments holding up what we want to send over there. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:22:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: How can a grey eagle outperform a himars? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
How can a grey eagle outperform a himars? It can help HIMARS strike targets, as well as everyone else, including Bayraktar drones. The only limiting factor is that I don't know if they would allow the same sensors on it that we use. They might have to be swapped out with Export versions of the Electro Optical and other systems. But I'm surprised the manufacturer is all on board with sending them over. Not exactly the same sensor system, but would be similar.  L3 WESCAM's MX™-20 Product Video  L3 WESCAM's MX™-25 |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:23:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: What did it say? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: Originally Posted By rgkeller: According to this NYT report from the front line, things are not so rosy in the battles around Kherson as many here have assumed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html What did it say? I can't read it either, but I have never heard of a 'Rosy" siege/envelopment. They sort of suck for everyone involved, as the trapped enemy has no choice but to fight, and the lines become increasingly dense. It's a good time to be artillery and "embrace the suck" times for Infantry and maneuver forces on both sides. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:24:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I get that. Are Grey eagles out of use and sitting in a desert though? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By AROKIE: No way.. the Grey eagle is years ahead of the predator. With automatic take off and landing They are considered at the end of their life, getting obsolete. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:24:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aikibiker: Translation: everyone saw HIMARS and wants to buy them. Let us get in on some of that action. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aikibiker: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Translation: everyone saw HIMARS and wants to buy them. Let us get in on some of that action. Bingo!! 
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:24:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I think the answer to this question from the west’s perspective is “what is next?” Let’s say Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine. IMO, most likely it will be multiple, possibly including population centers. A “demonstration” nuke will almost certainly not produce any results against the Ukrainian will to fight, so why bother? No, they will try to blow holes in the Ukrainian army, and destroy the infrastructure (including cities) necessary to bring in western supplies. I’ve said before that we already had indications that the Ukrainian army is in a nuclear defensive posture - i.e. dispersed as much as possible. So this won’t be a case of dropping a nuke on a brigade or two and being done with it. It would probably take a dozen tactical nukes to have the desired effect on a sector of the line. Point is, having demonstrated the will to win at any cost in Ukraine - what next for Russia? Can there be any doubt whatsoever in the West that Putin will do the same against the Baltics? Poland? Finland? If Russia goes nuclear it is IMMEDIATELY an existential issue for Europe. Not a new cold war. Not a “lets see how this plays out.” The question that should be asked is not “how will the west respond” but “will the west give Russia that chance?” Russia's conscript force wont accomplish anything. Russia has three paths to victory or peace without total embarrassment. 1. Some sort of economic black mail...which I do not think will work. 2. Exhaustion. Throw bodies at the problem until the West gets tired. I do not think that will work. 3. Nuclear blackmail. This might work. Before they go all in on a nuke, I think they would probably test the brinkmanship waters of NBC. I would anticipate a mass assault of tanks and infantry, somewhere, supported by a very large surprise nonpersistent chemical attack. Some sort of mass use of gas like the Chlorine attack at Ypres, 1915. Tactically, will it work? I dunno. Its the red line test of this administration. That would drive what comes next. Unless Putin gets whacked, you'll see, 1,2,3. I dont think the next big thing will be Nuke or Bio, and persistent agent isnt really useful in an attack. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:25:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Is he fucking insane?? Is this verified? Yup. Putin signed a law on punishment for voluntary surrender https://ria.ru/20220924/zakon-1819175164.html MOSCOW, Sep 24 - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed law on amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, providing for punishment in the form of deprivation of liberty for up to 10 years for "voluntary surrender", provided that there are no signs of the crime provided for in the article "Treason". The corresponding document is published on the official Internet portal of legal information. The lower limit of the sentence will be three years in prison. The article "Voluntary surrender" was not previously in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:25:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: What did it say? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:25:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Do t let them out.! |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:28:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOW: Those guys look disturbingly well equipped. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOW: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Those guys look disturbingly well equipped. It’s a small group of organized crime boss’ enforcers. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:31:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Time to begin sanction efforts against Orban and Hungary. Seems they have an obvious favorite in the conflict. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:32:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Yup. Putin signed a law on punishment for voluntary surrender https://ria.ru/20220924/zakon-1819175164.html MOSCOW, Sep 24 - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed law on amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, providing for punishment in the form of deprivation of liberty for up to 10 years for "voluntary surrender", provided that there are no signs of the crime provided for in the article "Treason". The corresponding document is published on the official Internet portal of legal information. The lower limit of the sentence will be three years in prison. The article "Voluntary surrender" was not previously in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Wow, he's being very kind and gentle. Pretty much all the Russians that surrendered in WWII were sent back to RUS in 1945, Stalin had them sent to the gulag or shot. Mostly shot. Becoming a citizen of the US or France or whatever was not an option. After the war, Rus hold you accountable. In Byelorussia in particular, some of the partisans were doing a "Live and let live" shtick in the German rear area in the forests, many of those guys were bypassed Red Army from 1941. As the Red Army rolled West in 1944, Stalin parachuted NKVD in to basically say get off your ass and get to work and your time card will be getting checked after the war. The Partisans, by and large, were more worried about what Stain would do after the war to them then Hitler during the war. It takes a brave man to be a coward in the Red Army. If the Ukrainians were smart they should run an IO message that POWS will not be repatriated if they dont want to be. Thats gonna be a touchy subject. Im not sure who wants Russian immigrants. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:35:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: They are considered at the end of their life, getting obsolete. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:36:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: What did it say? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: Originally Posted By rgkeller: According to this NYT report from the front line, things are not so rosy in the battles around Kherson as many here have assumed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html What did it say? 
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:39:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:41:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Time to begin sanction efforts against Orban and Hungary. Seems they have an obvious favorite in the conflict. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Time to begin sanction efforts against Orban and Hungary. Seems they have an obvious favorite in the conflict. Double-edged sword. At this point, I would rather he kept the borders open, as this is a vector for potential Russian manpower to escape mobilization. I am not sure that allowing Russian tourists helps the Russian war effort, and sanctions would likely adversely impact the 100,000 or so Ukrainian refugees HU is currently hosting. Besides, at some point, UKR and NATO will likely need Hungarian assistance in eliminating the Transnistria issue. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:42:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: BBC reports that the Referendum Polls are between 80-90% for annexation to Russia. Why are they even following it or giving it any coverage? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:44:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Time to begin sanction efforts against Orban and Hungary. Seems they have an obvious favorite in the conflict. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Time to begin sanction efforts against Orban and Hungary. Seems they have an obvious favorite in the conflict. I agree that Orban needs his hands slapped for how he handled this all year. But, by taking in Russians escaping the draft, that is hurting Putin. The 4D chess move, which may not be here, is that some Russians "escaping" to European countries could be saboteurs to cause mayhem if the conflict expands to other parts of Europe (although Hungary wouldn't be a target of Kremlin terrorism). Finland is finally restricting Russians from entering - I have no idea why it took them this long. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:52:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: What did it say? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:53:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: How survivable would these be? Or would they just operate them over uncontested airspace? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
How survivable would these be? Or would they just operate them over uncontested airspace? Reddit seems to think that they're far more useful in COIN environment than a conventional one with lots of air defense systems. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:54:28 AM EDT
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Yuri Kotenok, Russian journalist.
A difficult situation is in the north of the DPR (the junction of the borders with the Kharkov region and the LPR). The enemy is pushing forward more and more fiercely, trying to push Liman. https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/40779 |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:55:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The key to these bigger systems with much better optics and radar is that yes, you can keep them hundreds of miles behind the front lines, with say an S-300 and other air defense systems underneath it while it detects for the the user all the enemy units from over 30,000 feet up and can zoom in with thermal imaging systems to make positive ID on targets and threats. It can also stay up for over a day, continuously monitoring the front line. It can laser designate targets and guide precision weapons, laser and GPS. It would be very useful. The Grey Eagle can do none of those things from hundreds of miles behind the front lines. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:58:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
For you arty-types: How far do you disperse individual guns so they're not (as) susceptible to counter-battery fire? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:00:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: The problem with drones is that the threat is such a plethora of platforms and performance characteristics, there is no single solution. Examining the size/cross section alone, we are talking a target spectrum of everything from stuff the size of a large GA aircraft or regional airliner that can fly at up to around 50,000 feet AGL to stuff with the cross-section of a coffee cup that flies at 10 feet AGL may only have a 45-second to 1 minute engagement window. This does not even account for speed, detection, etc. The Army bubbas working CUAS have been attempting to unwind this threat for close to two decades and have focused on a capability that uses a multitude of sensors and systems. A combination of optical, electronic, and radar sensors linked to a combination of gun systems, lasers, electronic interdiction, and missiles appears to be the most promising, but it is likely to be far from either cheap or foolproof. If there's one thing we're good at, it's spending ridiculous amounts of money. 
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:03:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:05:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zhukov]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Can't get past paywall Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By rgkeller: According to this NYT report from the front line, things are not so rosy in the battles around Kherson as many here have assumed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html Can't get past paywall Here's a link to an archived version: https://archive.ph/Yl6WG#selection-905.0-905.237 It's ugly. 
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:08:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Why are they even following it or giving it any coverage? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By sq40: BBC reports that the Referendum Polls are between 80-90% for annexation to Russia. Why are they even following it or giving it any coverage? It was part of a report on how it’s a sham. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:10:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: For you arty-types: How far do you disperse individual guns so they're not (as) susceptible to counter-battery fire? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
For you arty-types: How far do you disperse individual guns so they're not (as) susceptible to counter-battery fire? Depends on the type/capabilities of their communications, Target Acquisition system and Fire Direction Control. With automated/digital fire control systems and solid comms, you can disperse artillery in all sorts of interesting patterns. To an artilleryman who grew up in the old manual/analog systems, modern artillery emplacement schemes can look downright chaotic compared to the old "two sections", "line abreast" and "lazy W"-type standard formations that were common until the end of the Cold War. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:13:29 PM EDT
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I've definitely been seeing an uptick in Russian aircraft getting shot down over the last few days. Could this have something to do with the Russians getting more aggressive with their usage of aircraft in combination with the arrival of things like the Gepards?
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:18:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: They just nuked a non-nuclear somebody. Bullies think differently when someone can hit back. But honestly, it may not even require a reaction. Global outrage would cut off Russia in a heartbeat. It’s moving that way anyway. Their own territories would likely start seceding - what’s Moscow going to do, nuke Vladivostock? The Russian far east would split off rapidly, for a start, I bet. Using a nuke would end Russia as it now as a political entity. That's a really important point that I wasn't thinking of at all. I guess I just kind of missed it. Firing a nuke at nato would not go the same as firing a nuke at Ukraine. It's a great point. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:21:55 PM EDT
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Interesting article linked in tweet. Click, read, and enjoy. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:23:12 PM EDT
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Some of these fucking krauts. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:23:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Why are they even following it or giving it any coverage? It needs to be reported as the russian occupiers voting for this. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:24:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:26:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Interesting article linked in tweet. Click, read, and enjoy. Putin has a few fringe govts like Hungary on board and also has major elements in Italy and Germany that will side with him. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Here's a link to an archived version: https://archive.ph/Yl6WG#selection-905.0-905.237 It's ugly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By rgkeller: According to this NYT report from the front line, things are not so rosy in the battles around Kherson as many here have assumed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html Can't get past paywall Here's a link to an archived version: https://archive.ph/Yl6WG#selection-905.0-905.237 It's ugly. Perfect adjective for it. Ugly. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:28:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: If the Ukrainians were smart they should run an IO message that POWS will not be repatriated if they dont want to be. Agreed. In the bottom right corner of the surrender instruction card being distributed by UA among Russian servicemen it says that after the war POWs will be released and repatriated. The repatriation part looks like a dealbreaker.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:31:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41727/6D56C5D1-EE6E-4B0C-A7D1-A22C3B9E00EE_jpe-2537301.JPG This was from twitter today. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By triode: I am sure the Mosin Nagant rifles are being issued to some. Russia might need to do a buy back though. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41727/6D56C5D1-EE6E-4B0C-A7D1-A22C3B9E00EE_jpe-2537301.JPG This was from twitter today. Reenactment from a couple years ago ...doesn't change the fact that some breakaway regions are in fact issuing 91/30s tho. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:35:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Here's a link to an archived version: https://archive.ph/Yl6WG#selection-905.0-905.237 It's ugly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By rgkeller: According to this NYT report from the front line, things are not so rosy in the battles around Kherson as many here have assumed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html Can't get past paywall Here's a link to an archived version: https://archive.ph/Yl6WG#selection-905.0-905.237 It's ugly. Thanks for that. That’s a really tough fight. With the Russian artillery active, and them having their backs against the river they can’t cross, it’s a real deal siege and assault with peer parity. It seems that they will be stalemated through winter. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:36:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Wow, he's being very kind and gentle. Pretty much all the Russians that surrendered in WWII were sent back to RUS in 1945, Stalin had them sent to the gulag or shot. Mostly shot. Becoming a citizen of the US or France or whatever was not an option. After the war, Rus hold you accountable. In Byelorussia in particular, some of the partisans were doing a "Live and let live" shtick in the German rear area in the forests, many of those guys were bypassed Red Army from 1941. As the Red Army rolled West in 1944, Stalin parachuted NKVD in to basically say get off your ass and get to work and your time card will be getting checked after the war. The Partisans, by and large, were more worried about what Stain would do after the war to them then Hitler during the war. It takes a brave man to be a coward in the Red Army. If the Ukrainians were smart they should run an IO message that POWS will not be repatriated if they dont want to be. Thats gonna be a touchy subject. Im not sure who wants Russian immigrants. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By Prime: Yup. Putin signed a law on punishment for voluntary surrender https://ria.ru/20220924/zakon-1819175164.html MOSCOW, Sep 24 - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed law on amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, providing for punishment in the form of deprivation of liberty for up to 10 years for "voluntary surrender", provided that there are no signs of the crime provided for in the article "Treason". The corresponding document is published on the official Internet portal of legal information. The lower limit of the sentence will be three years in prison. The article "Voluntary surrender" was not previously in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Wow, he's being very kind and gentle. Pretty much all the Russians that surrendered in WWII were sent back to RUS in 1945, Stalin had them sent to the gulag or shot. Mostly shot. Becoming a citizen of the US or France or whatever was not an option. After the war, Rus hold you accountable. In Byelorussia in particular, some of the partisans were doing a "Live and let live" shtick in the German rear area in the forests, many of those guys were bypassed Red Army from 1941. As the Red Army rolled West in 1944, Stalin parachuted NKVD in to basically say get off your ass and get to work and your time card will be getting checked after the war. The Partisans, by and large, were more worried about what Stain would do after the war to them then Hitler during the war. It takes a brave man to be a coward in the Red Army. If the Ukrainians were smart they should run an IO message that POWS will not be repatriated if they dont want to be. Thats gonna be a touchy subject. Im not sure who wants Russian immigrants. They are actually doing that though I'm not sure how much |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:38:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Some of these fucking krauts. It's like the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact version 2.0 Take that fucker and Gerhard Schroeder and drop them into the north sea. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:40:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Link worked for me. Lots of hard-fought, gritty fighting that is artillery-centric versus direct stand-up fighting. Russians are heavily dug in and have more of their better forces compared to the eastern front. UA forces need more ammo. Ok, well the goal is not a stand up fight in Kherson, the goal is to cut off the supplies and starve them out. It makes no sense to fight their better forces that are dug in. It makes sense to keep cutting their supply lines in the rear. At least that makes sense to me. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:43:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: Ok, well the goal is not a stand up fight in Kherson, the goal is to cut off the supplies and starve them out. It makes no sense to fight their better forces that are dug in. It makes sense to keep cutting their supply lines in the rear. At least that makes sense to me. That’s in the article too. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:44:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgkeller: NYT says progress for Ukranians is slow and with heavy casualties. UAF commanders says Russian artillery is effective and UAF artillery not doing much. Also said Putin has told Kherson defenders they cannot retreat. Well this is in keeping with this new 10 years in prison for surrender too. So no retreat, no surrender, you just have to die for the motherland. Got it. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 12:45:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Interesting article linked in tweet. Click, read, and enjoy. This is along the lines of what we’ve talked about the last few days, A) that they could and would mobilize, and B) the numbers are such that it’s only a delaying tactic for now and not at all designed to be decisive. Whatever planned endgame now exists involves some kind of hybrid war and political strategy. The troops are just to stalemate the battlefield. |
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