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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:34:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:35:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: People keep using this word. I don't know what you can do to somebody who has just proven they will launch nukes, unless you nuke them first. You can't do something to somebody who just launched a nuke and expect they won't launch a nuke at you. Or a half dozen nukes at you. They just nuked somebody. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By grambosc: Good assessment. Regardless of the hand wringing by the Neville Chamberlain types, even a single act of nuclear aggression by Russia could not go unanswered. And it's more likely to be multiples, which will guarantee a response. People keep using this word. I don't know what you can do to somebody who has just proven they will launch nukes, unless you nuke them first. You can't do something to somebody who just launched a nuke and expect they won't launch a nuke at you. Or a half dozen nukes at you. They just nuked somebody. I meant retaliation, but fell into the trap of mincing words. The only effective response is nuclear counterbattery. A conventional response would be taken as a show of weakness. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:35:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:36:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: watch this video of Rhinemetal anti UAS drone system. this needs to be in Ukraine! it shoots shells that explode pellets right in front of the drone or swarms of drones.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp2irqTXikgIt is probably a hell of a system, but slowing the drones to sit still and bunching them up so you can show off your system didn't really help them in this demo. Targeting drones should be relatively easy though - if you can track jets, shooting down a drone that goes 100mph or less is going to be a piece of cake. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:37:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:38:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach.  If the exterior looks that bad, I wonder what the bore looks like? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:38:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach. AKMs in 7.62x39. Do they still have ammo for those? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:38:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:39:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo1AysA9JnsChina has some serious BRRRRRRRT too. It's certainly possible to defend against drones, but not everything and not everywhere. Drones will still be a menace to soldiers not under the umbrella of protection. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:41:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:43:31 AM EDT
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Boop.
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:44:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:44:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Just give them guns. And ammo. 
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:46:16 AM EDT
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The autumn collection of camouflage is being displayed.
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:46:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Those guys look disturbingly well equipped. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:46:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdbDc1NXEAAiiFf?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Alright, I'm about tired of Russians getting injured. The Ukrainian partisans need to step their game up and get back to killin'. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:47:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:49:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOW: Those guys look disturbingly well equipped. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOW: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Those guys look disturbingly well equipped. Yea, they are like the Chinese propaganda units. Best tech and gear is showcased, but in combat they have proven to be unable to use what they are given effectively. Or actually what they are given looks cool, but doesn't work as advertised.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:50:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: It is probably a hell of a system, but slowing the drones to sit still and bunching them up so you can show off your system didn't really help them in this demo. Targeting drones should be relatively easy though - if you can track jets, shooting down a drone that goes 100mph or less is going to be a piece of cake. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By AROKIE: watch this video of Rhinemetal anti UAS drone system. this needs to be in Ukraine! it shoots shells that explode pellets right in front of the drone or swarms of drones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp2irqTXikgIt is probably a hell of a system, but slowing the drones to sit still and bunching them up so you can show off your system didn't really help them in this demo. Targeting drones should be relatively easy though - if you can track jets, shooting down a drone that goes 100mph or less is going to be a piece of cake. The problem with drones is that the threat is such a plethora of platforms and performance characteristics, there is no single solution. Examining the size/cross section alone, we are talking a target spectrum of everything from stuff the size of a large GA aircraft or regional airliner that can fly at up to around 50,000 feet AGL to stuff with the cross-section of a coffee cup that flies at 10 feet AGL may only have a 45-second to 1 minute engagement window. This does not even account for speed, detection, etc. The Army bubbas working CUAS have been attempting to unwind this threat for close to two decades and have focused on a capability that uses a multitude of sensors and systems. A combination of optical, electronic, and radar sensors linked to a combination of gun systems, lasers, electronic interdiction, and missiles appears to be the most promising, but it is likely to be far from either cheap or foolproof. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:56:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach. They'll be dead shortly, so who cares... Outside of the rear trunnion and maybe dust cover who cares. Clean it up and call it good
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... I am sure the Mosin Nagant rifles are being issued to some. Russia might need to do a buy back though. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 9:57:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It's capable of much more than what was shown. Trust me on that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwjcayPuag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH-FehlT3_4Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. They need an shotgun type ammo that ignites so many feet out watch this video of Rhinemetal anti UAS drone system. this needs to be in Ukraine! it shoots shells that explode pellets right in front of the drone or swarms of drones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp2irqTXikgIt's capable of much more than what was shown. Trust me on that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwjcayPuag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH-FehlT3_4Are those going to be stationary systems, towed, or mobile? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:05:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: For some reason, what's written in small letters isn't translated. It says: "However, in the future never expect Russia to liberate you. Now you know what happens when someone is counting on foreign invaders". Oh, it says "Time to go home" on the very top. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdWPemdXwAMbQsk?format=jpg&name=large For some reason, what's written in small letters isn't translated. It says: "However, in the future never expect Russia to liberate you. Now you know what happens when someone is counting on foreign invaders". Oh, it says "Time to go home" on the very top. Hey Alex! Can you do me a favor? - on every Russian language forum, please spread rumors about the mobilization expanding. Tell people they’ve move DHC age up to 55. Tell them they plan to pick up people at their jobs. That people will be grabbed off the street. That they are considering mobilizing women too. We need you and other Russian speakers to spread the fear and paranoia. Thanks! 
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:12:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Are those going to be stationary systems, towed, or mobile? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. They need an shotgun type ammo that ignites so many feet out watch this video of Rhinemetal anti UAS drone system. this needs to be in Ukraine! it shoots shells that explode pellets right in front of the drone or swarms of drones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp2irqTXikgIt's capable of much more than what was shown. Trust me on that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwjcayPuag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH-FehlT3_4Are those going to be stationary systems, towed, or mobile? Whatever you order. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:13:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Top men, TOP men...
They emptied the prisons first, now the mental hospitals?? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:16:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Is he fucking insane?? Is this verified? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:19:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:25:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:26:42 AM EDT
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Perun has dropped another video, this time with an appearance from our own Nicholas Moran.
 Captured Russian Equipment in Ukraine - (Featuring @TheChieftainsHatch ) |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:29:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Predator drones have been retired since 2018. If we have some I think those should go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
No way.. the Grey eagle is years ahead of the predator. With automatic take off and landing |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:30:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
How survivable would these be? Or would they just operate them over uncontested airspace? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:30:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:32:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Is he fucking insane?? Is this verified? Yes on both counts. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:34:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:35:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:36:03 AM EDT
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According to this NYT report from the front line, things are not so rosy in the battles around Kherson as many here have assumed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:37:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgkeller: According to this NYT report from the front line, things are not so rosy in the battles around Kherson as many here have assumed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html Can't get past paywall |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:45:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: I'm for this, it would have saved us from iraq Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By Dracster: "Turkey advocates the abolition of Russia's right of veto in the UN Security Council Turkish Foreign Minister Mevl t avu o lu stressed that his country is in favor of replacing the right of veto to decision-making by majority vote. Recall that thanks to this right, Russia, which is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, blocks any decisions aimed at counteracting its own crimes." (The middle sentence makes it sound like all permanent member vetoes, not just Russia's.) I'm for this, it would have saved us from iraq How so? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:46:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
How can a grey eagle outperform a himars? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:49:29 AM EDT
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If this is what the first wave of conscripts is getting, imagine what the next wave will get issued
 https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xmmu3n/newly_arrived_russian_infantry_were_handed_rotten/ |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:50:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: How can a grey eagle outperform a himars? I am guessing ISR and targeting. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:56:01 AM EDT
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BBC reports that the Referendum Polls are between 80-90% for annexation to Russia.
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:58:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: BBC reports that the Referendum Polls are between 80-90% for annexation to Russia.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:58:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: AKMs in 7.62x39. Do they still have ammo for those? If they don’t the fine folks at Tula Ammo can supply more. Now that they can’t export to the USA I’ll bet they have a lot of extra capacity. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:58:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Biden isn't doing shit. The opposite of what he says seems to happen Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By stone-age: I'd really like to know what the plan is. Ukraine is chewing up russian troops. If putin gets the idea he is going to lose this, he is going to launch a tactical nuke on the battlefield. Then what? Biden has issued a very stern warning. What could we possibly do to russia now without actually shooting at them with american forces? If we do that, it's war. Are we ready to get into an actual war with russia after they have proven they will use nukes? I'm sure everybody is hoping somebody inside russia is going to remove or kill him. Or russia will revolt. We better not depend on that. People already said putin would not use national mobilization. He's doing it while calling it something else. And the second he made the announcement, agents with lists were going door to door handing out notices for people to show up. Biden isn't doing shit. The opposite of what he says seems to happen Like what? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 10:59:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: THOT_Vaccine]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: Please stop posting when you have zero clue what you are talking about, thanks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Google the phrase "EU PIGS" You can buy houses throughout Italy for one shiny euro... people left because the place sucks, and their birthrate is non-existent. Literally half the houses are vacant and have been owned by the state for years. Please stop posting when you have zero clue what you are talking about, thanks. EU PIGS I guess probably the real concern is declining per capita income in a population where 50% of the people are "retired," and the average age climbs by six months every year. The average income is down to ~$35k right now You can pretend that's fine if you want. They do. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:01:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: If the exterior looks that bad, I wonder what the bore looks like? Gonna go home and hug my pristine AKs after seeing such horrible abuse. Is there an AK protective agency I can call to report?  
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:02:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triode: I am sure the Mosin Nagant rifles are being issued to some. Russia might need to do a buy back though.  Attached FileThis was from twitter today. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:02:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Are those going to be stationary systems, towed, or mobile? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. They need an shotgun type ammo that ignites so many feet out watch this video of Rhinemetal anti UAS drone system. this needs to be in Ukraine! it shoots shells that explode pellets right in front of the drone or swarms of drones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp2irqTXikgIt's capable of much more than what was shown. Trust me on that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwjcayPuag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH-FehlT3_4Are those going to be stationary systems, towed, or mobile? Stationary or mobile, works both ways. Even ship mounted. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:05:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Predator drones have been retired since 2018. If we have some I think those should go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I agree, but the fact that the manufacturer is asking for their units to go is a big indicator that they want to showcase how their systems work. You can't get better sales videos than the ones that are used against actual fielded forces on a battlefield. Everyone in the defense industries of NATO and the US is chomping at the bit. The only limitation is each countries respective governments holding up what we want to send over there. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 11:08:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgkeller: According to this NYT report from the front line, things are not so rosy in the battles around Kherson as many here have assumed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/europe/ukraine-south-kherson-russia.html What did it say? |
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