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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:11:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: They already ordered almost 5 billion dollars worth of M1 Abrams, plus the new ballistic missile defense systems. 96 Apache helicopter gunships, etc. I feel safer,  and hope the rest of Europe follows suit actually.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, Poland, you getting scary.
They already ordered almost 5 billion dollars worth of M1 Abrams, plus the new ballistic missile defense systems. 96 Apache helicopter gunships, etc. I feel safer, and hope the rest of Europe follows suit actually.They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:12:39 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:13:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Related to this, when I would look at combat pictures of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, I cant recall them ever having a shovel or spade / entrenching tool in their kit. I guess holes werent dug then? Is carrying an E-tool still SOP, or going to make a comeback? Mostly not. I got looked at funny for bringing a small shovel to NTC. I didn't see another the entire time...and I was attached to an engineer BN. I'm sure they had some, but Ft Irwin allows fighting positions but I didn't see a single one. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:14:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: It will be very cool to see the old HAWK system get a chance to shine one last time. It had been around in some form since 1960. Imagine how embarrassing it will be for the Russians to lose modern systems such as their latest strike fighter aircraft and their newer cruise missiles to this old system that was completely phased out of U.S. service 20 years ago. I also hope the various NATO member nations can scrape together a few longer range systems like Patriot or the excellent French SAMP/T "Mamba" to use in conjunction with the short and medium range systems they are receiving. Pretty much any system used by NATO should be able to plug and play in the network. I had no idea the Hawk was still around. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:18:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxb: Those Arrows are damned fast. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20221013_173504_jpg-2561897.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20221013_173352_jpg-2561899.JPG @AlmightyTallest Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxb: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe8FVElWYAACqv-?format=jpg&name=small https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 Those Arrows are damned fast. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20221013_173504_jpg-2561897.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20221013_173352_jpg-2561899.JPG @AlmightyTallest The US is blocking the sales, atleast to Germany they are. https://thecradle.co/Article/News/15813?s=08 |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:19:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Belarus. Something fucky is going on.
Meh. It’s just the normal and expected “round up opposition/dissidents” things that despots and dictators do. Everyone with a brain knew this was going to happen. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:25:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
A nation of cowards. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:29:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:33:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Man the scientist in me wants to hit it with a HEDP to see what happens 🤷 KATAGORA Package received, some to DOZOR, Some to 115 and 25th, some to a new secret 🤫 unit. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/419667/A42A0E06-85A1-4664-96D9-EDF85262066F_jpe-2561725.JPG Thanks from DYKYY AND AMERICANS IN UKRAINE Glad it got there. Slava Ukraine! |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:34:03 PM EDT
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A group of Ukrainian soldiers captures the moment of approaching the stele "Luhansk Oblast" in the Swativ district.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:35:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
In other words, Elon, who is obsessed with getting likes online, got his feelings hurt and now wants to take his ball and go home. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:36:07 PM EDT
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I suspect Russia is coercing him.
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:36:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:37:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I think the idea is to just stuff people into the front lines to slow down Ukraine military while more russian soldiers are more properly trained. This was my impression as well. Just throwing bodies into the (many) gaps as best they can in order to buy some time. At least until winter slows thing down. I guess we'll see how that pans out. I can't imagine whatever they scrape together for season two fares any better than what they started with. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:41:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PM4E: A nation of cowards. When russia invaded ukraine there were LOTS of russians in other countries flying the russian flag and putting giant Z on their car in support of the invasion. The were doing it here in America. 
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:42:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: Yes. There is a movie about exactly that. "Mr. Jones" Very strangely, it was up on Netflix for about a week (where I saw it) but now it's been taken down. It seems...strange it suddenly disappeared after being in the top 10 and is "Not available in your country." Ugh, weird to say the least. Anyhow, it's a pretty haunting movie in the same vain as Schindler's List, but it is worth a watch. Some of the scenes are just downright horrifying, but I think they did their best to depict the real suffering of starvation and how bad Stalin was. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: Originally Posted By Hesperus: Didn't some journalist at the New York Times get a Pulitzer for his work showing that everything was just peachy in the Ukraine at that time? Yes. There is a movie about exactly that. "Mr. Jones" Very strangely, it was up on Netflix for about a week (where I saw it) but now it's been taken down. It seems...strange it suddenly disappeared after being in the top 10 and is "Not available in your country." Ugh, weird to say the least. Anyhow, it's a pretty haunting movie in the same vain as Schindler's List, but it is worth a watch. Some of the scenes are just downright horrifying, but I think they did their best to depict the real suffering of starvation and how bad Stalin was. Thanks! Here is the wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Jones_ |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:45:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe9dZ7gWQAEMiew?format=jpg&name=small Waiting patiently for the video of the next BTR to run over the same minefield with the smoking hulk of this MTLB still there. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:47:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Source: CNN "sources familiar". Yeah I'll hold off on believing that or the reasons behind it if it's true. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:49:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I can't believe people are so ignorant to think this isn't genocide. I didn't at one point, but I certainly do now. I don't think Russia set out to do that specifically, but it is painfully obvious they have since defaulted to it. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:54:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, Poland, you getting scary.
They already ordered almost 5 billion dollars worth of M1 Abrams, plus the new ballistic missile defense systems. 96 Apache helicopter gunships, etc. I feel safer, and hope the rest of Europe follows suit actually.They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ It makes sense to wonder if Poland is doing a shadow buy for Ukrane. Poland gets 300, Ukraine gets 200. With transfer of production technology there will be no way to prevent such a deal by political means. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:56:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PM4E: In other words, Elon, who is obsessed with getting likes online, got his feelings hurt and now wants to take his ball and go home. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PM4E: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
In other words, Elon, who is obsessed with getting likes online, got his feelings hurt and now wants to take his ball and go home. Sure seems like it. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 8:59:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CenterMass762]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Source: CNN "sources familiar". Yeah I'll hold off on believing that or the reasons behind it if it's true. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Source: CNN "sources familiar". Yeah I'll hold off on believing that or the reasons behind it if it's true.
That sounds like a plausible reason. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:00:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PM4E: In other words, Elon, who is obsessed with getting likes online, got his feelings hurt and now wants to take his ball and go home. In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:14:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By PM4E: In other words, Elon, who is obsessed with getting likes online, got his feelings hurt and now wants to take his ball and go home. In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. Agreed. Assuming the above link is true I don't particularly see the issue. I'm amazed Musk was willing to even go that far. I'm not about to rip on him for not being able to go beyond that incredible donation of resources. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. I agree. Musk stepped up to the plate at the most critical time. 80 mil worth the last time I heard, so time to add it to aid packages. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:15:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: True, but it's not like it has explosives in it...  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By Waldo: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif They put reactive armor on a scooby doo van?  True, but it's not like it has explosives in it... Considering it’s Wagner or an old spetznaz guy it probably has filler |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:22:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxb: Those Arrows are damned fast. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20221013_173504_jpg-2561897.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20221013_173352_jpg-2561899.JPG @AlmightyTallest Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxb: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe8FVElWYAACqv-?format=jpg&name=small https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 Those Arrows are damned fast. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20221013_173504_jpg-2561897.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20221013_173352_jpg-2561899.JPG @AlmightyTallest lol, yes they are That's a great mug by the way.  One of mine:  |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:26:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:28:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. Good point. Musk has pissed me off a bit lately, but he has done more than his share to help, too. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:29:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:30:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: The US is blocking the sales, atleast to Germany they are. https://thecradle.co/Article/News/15813?s=08 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By uxb: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe8FVElWYAACqv-?format=jpg&name=small https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3 Those Arrows are damned fast. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20221013_173504_jpg-2561897.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20221013_173352_jpg-2561899.JPG @AlmightyTallest The US is blocking the sales, atleast to Germany they are. https://thecradle.co/Article/News/15813?s=08 I would think the defense contractors behind THAAD and PATRIOT systems are the ones behind the SoS denial. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:32:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By CharlieR: Yes. The biggest advantage of trenches is they usually have communications trenches leading up to them from the rear, so if you are in a static front for a long time, with snipers galore, NCOs can check up on their grunts, you can come and go, get resupplied with chow, take a dump, do it all below ground. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Schwaben_Redoubt_aerial_photograph_10-05-1916_IWM_HU_91107.jpg/440px-Schwaben_Redoubt_aerial_photograph_10-05-1916_IWM_HU_91107.jpg But a trench is impossible to camouflage, don't have overhead cover, and are very vulnerable to drones and proximity fuses. I suspect both sides got used to them 2014-2021 and don't know any better. The US went to foxholes, along with everyone else, mostly, in WWII. Easier to dig when your halted for a short while, camouflage, and put overhead cover on. Generally, dogfaces had to stay put in their holes sunup to sundown, or get shot. But if the enemy lines aren't that close, and you're getting pounded by artillery and UAVs, a better bet then a trench. https://i.redd.it/e2xmh39ycoaz.jpg You need some lumber for a roof but I can't imagine how we can supply HIMARS and not wood and sandbags. There was a US officer in WWI, named Depuy, who became indignant that Germans dug better holes then us. They would put a berm of dirt in the front and if suppressed, shoot around the side of their cover and catch the attacker in a crossfire. A US trooper had to duck down in the bottom of his hole and couldn't stick his head up. Think of Private Blythe in BoB. 30 years later, Depuy made the Army conduct tests on what the best type of hole was, statistically prove his hole was better, and change the FMs to choose his type of hole. He happened to be correct, and we've done it that way ever since. The US Army fighting position is easier to put overhead cover on, and camouflage. https://media.defense.gov/2013/Jan/15/2001177900/-1/-1/0/801921-U-LUD04-229.jpg https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/NINTCHDBPICT000732855970.jpg Wonderful bit of history, thank you. I spent most of my time in as light infantry, but back in the stone age when I was in, IIRC, the order of construction went: hasty fighting position, primary fighting position with overhead cover, clearing the fields of fire (FoF), secondary fighting position which covered the same FoF, alternate fighting position and then you connected it all with what I think were called communication trenches. Someone whose mind isn't half gone can correct me but I think that was the order. Anyway, it was lots and lots and lots of digging. Related to this, when I would look at combat pictures of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, I cant recall them ever having a shovel or spade / entrenching tool in their kit. I guess holes werent dug then? Is carrying an E-tool still SOP, or going to make a comeback?
It would take the rest of my life to dig that hole in my yard with a shovel. Fucking New England. It's all rocks. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Seen some traffic on a bunch of HAWKs in storage, possibly being rolled forward. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:33:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By PM4E: In other words, Elon, who is obsessed with getting likes online, got his feelings hurt and now wants to take his ball and go home. In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. True. Fair point. I'm suspicious of the timing. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:34:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:36:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I want to see proof First. Also, Russia is ordering 2500 more shaheds. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: They certainly are, the 6 helicopters are more than they thought they got yesterday. I want to see proof First. Also, Russia is ordering 2500 more shaheds. Remember when we all laughed that Ukraine was claiming Ka-52 helicopter kills by using ATGM's? Then we had multiple videos that eventually proved it. I certainly want to see the proof too though. 
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:42:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By PM4E: In other words, Elon, who is obsessed with getting likes online, got his feelings hurt and now wants to take his ball and go home. In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. The Biden administration hates Musk because A) Tesla is non union B) Musk has publicly criticized the progressive left So EVERY OTHER company sending shit to Ukraine gets tons of sweet US government taxpayer money ... But Musk gets nothing? After he stepped up to help them when they really needed it? He didn't wait for a government contract or Congress, he just sent them free shit and activated the satellites. If you think he's the bad guy here, you haven't been paying attention. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:42:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Ukraine has been capturing half-starved Russians for weeks, and the Russians are dumping as many as 300,000 men into open fields often without issuing them sleeping bags, tents, first aid supplies, or sometimes summer weight uniforms, and apparently few if any winter outfits. That was the situation before the Kerch Bridge explosion. There are recent reports that an oil and fuel shortage (or at least a projected one) is forcing the Russians to park some of their armor. The original force would have wintered with difficulty. A few weeks ago the decision to double or triple that force meant that a lot of Russian troops were going to surrender or die this winter of exposure and disease with empty stomachs, IMO. Then their most important supply line was all but severed. Even if it's miraculously patched back up in a week or two those are weeks they couldn't afford to lose because they were way behind to begin with. While I dont disagree factually, Id be more worried about bulky heavy items like fuel and rounds for artillery. Id say if they have 5-10 DOS (days of supply) which is very charitable, they will be running low on firepower. I think youd see surrender before widespread cold weather injuries, and Id predict tanks running out of fuel and artillery running out of ammo are the big ticket items to watch. If green Russian troops are in a sector that faces UA tanks and runs out of AT ammo, that's your collapse, right there. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:45:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: The Biden administration hates Musk because A) Tesla is non union B) Musk has publicly criticized the progressive left So EVERY OTHER company sending shit to Ukraine gets tons of sweet US government taxpayer money ... But Musk gets nothing? After he stepped up to help them when they really needed it? He didn't wait for a government contract or Congress, he just sent them free shit and activated the satellites. If you think he's the bad guy here, you haven't been paying attention. Agreed. The Biden administration never misses a chance to slight or poke at Musk. It’s time to stop being petty and start paying for Starlink. It’s critical infrastructure in UKR. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:47:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kagetora: Glad it got there. Slava Ukraine! That is great looking gear! Where did the sub gun magazine pouch come from or who makes them? @Kagetora |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:48:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Good point. Musk has pissed me off a bit lately, but he has done more than his share to help, too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. Good point. Musk has pissed me off a bit lately, but he has done more than his share to help, too. how is this costing that much after the Satellites are in orbit and infrastructure is in place? |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:48:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 302w: The EU only has one nuclear member state who publicly announced that they will not retaliate if Putin uses nukes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 302w: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Russian Army Will Be ‘Annihilated’ if Putin Nukes Ukraine: Borrell https://www.kyivpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/000_9mu3e7.jpg High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrel. By Alisa Orlova for Kyiv Post Published Oct. 13 at 4:57 pm EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell warned Moscow on Thursday, Oct.13, that its forces would be “annihilated” by the West’s military response if President Vladimir Putin uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine. “Putin is saying he is not bluffing. Well, he cannot afford bluffing, and it has to be clear that the people supporting Ukraine and the European Union and the Member States, and the United States and NATO are not bluffing neither,” Borrell said at the opening of a Diplomatic Academy in Brussels. “Any nuclear attack against Ukraine will create an answer, not a nuclear answer but such a powerful answer from the military side that the Russian Army will be annihilated.” Fears that Moscow could use a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine have grown after Putin issued veiled threats as he staged the annexation of four occupied regions in the face of loses on the battlefield. NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg has warned Russia it faces “severe consequences” if it launches a nuclear attack on its pro-Western neighbor. “There would be a sharp response — almost certainly drawing a physical response from many allies, and potentially from NATO itself,” a senior NATO official said Wednesday. But the alliance has stopped short of threatening to use its nuclear arsenal to respond as non-member Ukraine is not covered by its self-defence clause. Gen. Petreus said the same thing last week. The EU only has one nuclear member state who publicly announced that they will not retaliate if Putin uses nukes. I really don't think it's far off, or unreasonable, to say that Russia would cease to have a navy if they went nuclear. The other thing that should be said is that Putin personally would not survive that escalation. No matter what happens, no matter how far things go (or not), Putin would be hounded to the end of his miserable existence, either by Russia's enemies, or by the Russians he betrayed. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:49:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: When russia invaded ukraine there were LOTS of russians in other countries flying the russian flag and putting giant Z on their car in support of the invasion. The were doing it here in America. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By PM4E: A nation of cowards. When russia invaded ukraine there were LOTS of russians in other countries flying the russian flag and putting giant Z on their car in support of the invasion. The were doing it here in America. oh yeah.....Woodburn Oregon ORCS....even old believers ...... fuck them... |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:51:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lightning_P38]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phocks: Mostly not. I got looked at funny for bringing a small shovel to NTC. I didn't see another the entire time...and I was attached to an engineer BN. I'm sure they had some, but Ft Irwin allows fighting positions but I didn't see a single one. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:53:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: While I dont disagree factually, Id be more worried about bulky heavy items like fuel and rounds for artillery. Id say if they have 5-10 DOS (days of supply) which is very charitable, they will be running low on firepower. I think youd see surrender before widespread cold weather injuries, and Id predict tanks running out of fuel and artillery running out of ammo are the big ticket items to watch. I don't know what the fuck Ukranian soldiers are supposed to do with such large numbers of starving POWs. And I'll bet that is half the plan. Thousands of freezing and starving russians drastically slows down the advancing Ukranians even if the russians don't have guns. You can't turn them lose on the civilians. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:53:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Merkel on her Russian energy legacy: 'No regrets' that video is months old.. Communist hag sellout. Her and Schroder |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:53:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Btw. Fuck Emmanuel Macron... What is it with the French and being such pussies?
Most of their real men were killed during the First World War. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:54:17 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By anono: Originally Posted By Hesperus: Didn't some journalist at the New York Times get a Pulitzer for his work showing that everything was just peachy in the Ukraine at that time? Yes. There is a movie about exactly that. "Mr. Jones" Very strangely, it was up on Netflix for about a week (where I saw it) but now it's been taken down. It seems...strange it suddenly disappeared after being in the top 10 and is "Not available in your country." Ugh, weird to say the least. Anyhow, it's a pretty haunting movie in the same vain as Schindler's List, but it is worth a watch. Some of the scenes are just downright horrifying, but I think they did their best to depict the real suffering of starvation and how bad Stalin was. Thanks! Here is the wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Jones_ Available on Amazon Prime. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 9:55:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: how is this costing that much after the Satellites are in orbit and infrastructure is in place? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. Good point. Musk has pissed me off a bit lately, but he has done more than his share to help, too. how is this costing that much after the Satellites are in orbit and infrastructure is in place? Opportunity cost. There are MANY people in the USA and around the world who have been waiting years for Starlink service. SpaceX has a limited capacity to provide the service and is now tying up quite a bit of capacity providing service in UKR for free when it could be generating revenue from paying customers. |
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