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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eat_Beef: Being the world arms dealer would imply we were actually selling arms rather than giving them away. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eat_Beef: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: World Arms Dealer != World Police Try to keep up. Being the world arms dealer would imply we were actually selling arms rather than giving them away. We’re giving away large amounts of cheap 155mm. We’re giving away HMMVs, Stingers, HARMS, and HARPOONS made for the Cold War 30+ years ago. We’re giving away M113s made 50 years ago armed with M2s made 80 years ago. Many of these items we would've literally had to pay to dispose of. The only “big ticket” items are GMLRS and to an extent Javelin, and when you estimate how much we’re probably supplying of those it’s pocket change. There are other means of payment besides money. For one, the free advertising of our weapons systems literally dismantling our main arms competitor will pay the cost of the donated munitions a hundred times over. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:19:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Sort of like how the combination of the 1940 "Two Ocean Navy Act" and economic sanctions led the Japanese Government to approve the Pearl Harbor attack? Interesting... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: In terms of whether Ukraine is impinging on the US Ability to fuck the Chicoms over Taiwan, the answer appears to be the opposite - its leading to an across the board increase in munitions purchases. US now looking to purchase over 1,100 JASSM/LRASM air launched stealth cruise missiles per year:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjM0Jh-UoAEg4Ea?format=jpg&name=large Likely other long range precision fires weapons will be bumped up as well:
I posted same in my arty thread. Short term yes, it’s having an effect but looks like 2024 or 2025 production for most stuff is back in business. Taiwanese orders are still delayed for 2022. While Taiwan invasion in 2023 is theoretically possible per PACOM it’s not highly likely. China still has the finish its 4th carrier, make more amphib, etc. but Xi appears to be putting out feelers to countries about how they’d respond to US sanctions. Russia new pipeline to China isn’t set to complete until 2025. Congress continues CRs into FY 24 will probably create probs but that’s not a Ukraine issue. Duration of the war and timing could be issue or not, time will tell I guess. With B21 set to begin flying next year, it's an interesting question of whether our buildup is deterring China, or creating a sort of "it's now or never" panic for them to accelerate their timeline to go before we're fully tooled up. Sort of like how the combination of the 1940 "Two Ocean Navy Act" and economic sanctions led the Japanese Government to approve the Pearl Harbor attack? Interesting... Depends on politics way above our heads. If we can convince the Chinese that a *cough*post-Russian*cough* world is to everyone’s benefit, and there can be a peaceful coexistence between the West and China, there may be no need. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:23:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yea, that is Rapid Dragon. Though I'm currently making a post it note of a container using GMLRS missiles that drop in a large box with retarding parachutes. Kick it out at 40,000 feet and let 'em rip.  Yes. Thank you and all the other posters that followed up. It's a fascinating concept. Totally unrelated question: What types of cargo planes does Ukraine operate? |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:26:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Erno86: I'm just wondering that if Russian sabotage terrorists --- sympathetic to Putin ---- were responsible for the intentional and targeted rifle shooting of a transformer substation in North Carolina yesterday; which has thousands of people still out of power. If so...I believe it marks a major escalation of the war in Ukraine. Experts claim...that if 20 certain substations are sabotaged and destroyed in the U.S....the entire power grid in the country will be blacked-out. I can tell you this - the attitude among the folks that I've discussed this with in the circles that I run in are rather apocalyptic. If it can be proven that Russia is hitting US infrastructure the gloves may come off completely. I'm not saying nukes but I AM saying NATO will respond in a way that Russia will not find at all pleasant. Put it this way - it might take a bit longer to get the lights back on in Moscow than it would in Kyiv for sure - especially if no one is willing to sell them LPTs due to risk of US sanctions. If there are any SVR/FSB/GRU trolls here please take note and report to your masters that this is an INCREDIBLY bad idea. It isn't escalation - it's a widening of the battlespace. And that will spell the end of Russia as it now exists. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:28:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: The US is *also* supplying Abrams to Poland. Poland's not playing around. ETA: The Abrams deal doesn't include tech transfer, just selling them A2 SEP.V3 in considerable numbers and updating their existing hulls. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By stgdz: How did the us lose our on supplying Abraham's to Poland? I know the krab is a.joint venture between sk and Poland but do they have any more sharing? Wonder if they will send them to Ukraine. The US is *also* supplying Abrams to Poland. Poland's not playing around. ETA: The Abrams deal doesn't include tech transfer, just selling them A2 SEP.V3 in considerable numbers and updating their existing hulls. The Poles are buying so much that I wonder if they’re really doing a shadow buy for Ukraine. UA gets the SK stuff and Poland the US stuff. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:33:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: The Poles are buying so much that I wonder if they’re really doing a shadow buy for Ukraine. UA gets the SK stuff and Poland the US stuff. I ain't know nuff 'bout dat. But when the Poles be rockin' 1000 K2-PLs and 300 M1A2 SEP.V3 Abrams, I bet all those Leopard 2s, PT-91s, T-72s and other stuff make their way a bit further south. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Fucking BLAMMO. Big and accurate, I wonder what those were. Yup. Those two guys that made it to the road missed it by THAT much. But they got rained on by legs and torso pieces! |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:34:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: I’ve never wanted to visit a foreign country in my life as much as I’d like to see a post victory Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By Easterner: Haha thanks. Despite thinking we are counting the days, life goes by fast. I guess when your life is on hold to some extents, time isn't waiting for you. Enjoy it while you can! I decided to get out the cold on my day of walking the streets. Time for a Cappuccino and Chocolate Macaroon in a new cafe that opened... Little Mariupol. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20221206_143854_jpg-2625644.JPG I’ve never wanted to visit a foreign country in my life as much as I’d like to see a post victory Ukraine. It's amazing not much has changed despite the war. Granted we are not on the frontline and do have attacks, but the things that make it great still exist. I'm surprised to see new businesses appear when others pack up. Life goes on stubbornly. Patriotism is at an all time high. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:36:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Totally unrelated question: What types of cargo planes does Ukraine operate? Antonovs, mostly. Given they build them there. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:38:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Germany, ooff Germany backtracks on defense spending promises made after Ukraine invasion Days after Russia invaded Ukraine, Chancellor Olaf Scholz pledged to meet long ignored military spending targets of 2 percent of GDP. https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-backtracks-on-defense-spending-promise-warns-about-delays-ukraine-war/ BERLIN Germany on Monday walked back its promise to swiftly raise defense spending to at least 2 percent of its economic output breaching the key commitment made days after Russia's invasion of Ukraine to become a more serious military force. Berlin also sought to play down internal warnings about delays to a flagship procurement of new fighter jets. During a government press conference, Chief Spokesperson Steffen Hebestreit scaled down expectations for Germany's defense spending, telling journalists that the 2 percent target would be missed not only this year, but also likely next year: "It's still open whether that [goal] will be achieved" in 2023, Hebestreit said, adding that his "cautious expectation" was that Germany would still meet the target within this legislative period, which ends in 2025. Last month, it had already emerged that Germany will likely miss its 2 percent target in 2023 as the regular defense budget of about 50 billion will slightly shrink by about 300 million. Only a comparably small first tranche of a massive 100 billion special military upgrading fund is expected to be paid out. After 3000 pages in this thread, hopefully this is no surprise for anyone here. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:39:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Good article by CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/europe/russia-ukraine-strikes-analysis-intl/index.html "This is the most damaging side effect of how public the exhaustion of Russia's military has been: There is no real "fear factor" left. State TV commentators liked to muse months ago that Russia has thus far been fighting with "gloves on," but it is clear the gloves have long come off, their opponent has learned to duck their punches, and also brought a knife to the ring." Ouch... And brass knucks. And a ball gag. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:39:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Warms my heart.
That's just great to see. 
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:41:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Yup. Those two guys that made it to the road missed it by THAT much. But they got rained on by legs and torso pieces! 
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:41:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: We’re giving away large amounts of cheap 155mm. We’re giving away HMMVs, Stingers, HARMS, and HARPOONS made for the Cold War 30+ years ago. We’re giving away M113s made 50 years ago armed with M2s made 80 years ago. Many of these items we would've literally had to pay to dispose of. The only “big ticket” items are GMLRS and to an extent Javelin, and when you estimate how much we’re probably supplying of those it’s pocket change. There are other means of payment besides money. For one, the free advertising of our weapons systems literally dismantling our main arms competitor will pay the cost of the donated munitions a hundred times over. Yes, and... ISR Nobody on the fucking planet has our networks, physical plant, assets, satellites and infrastructure, and the closest competitor compares to our C4I like the closest competitor does to our defense budget. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:44:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: That's just great to see. Very few countries earn my respect but Ukraine and the Ukrainian people have earned my sincerest respect. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:45:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjUNiJoWABgEYmE?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjUNiW1WAAsQVz8?format=jpg&name=medium Crazy times, we are getting near real time informations with just a few mouseclicks of an ongoing war in a quality that was impossible to obtain for a military 50 years ago.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 3:45:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/C3423D8C-D622-4185-8B45-E1F9856A30FE-2625912.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/4759D502-24C5-411E-BAEE-F58C066E5FC1-2625917.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/E6E30C64-BB3D-45E0-A10D-5F2E2B0596A1-2625949.jpg Glad to see the heat and water are back online |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:04:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: That could be done easily with a Cresent wrench. Quietly remove the coolant drain plugs A whole bunch of russian people are perfectly fine with invade/murder/rape/pillage/genocide Ukraine as long as it is not bothering them. I want them to really understand that at any moment Ukraine could plunge them into cold darkness and drop bombs on their heads, because their leaders won't leave Ukraine. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: I hope the Poles help Western Europe precisely as much as Western Europe helped the Poles in WW2. 
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:07:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjUNiJoWABgEYmE?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjUNiW1WAAsQVz8?format=jpg&name=medium  |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:11:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Have it drop leaflets showing Putin and his creatures as “cocks” for Xi Jinping. It’s even kind of true. Fill it with the personal papers/passports of the RU KIA and sprinkle them around the Kremlin or Red Square. That would sent 2 important messages. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:13:49 PM EDT
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Interesting verbage by the SOS
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:14:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Agree plus also you start effectively hitting bases deep inside Russia they are going to get backed into a corner and do something drastic. They aren't going to be like oh well lets talk now that you destroyed half of our bomber fleet. They will launch and use the excuse that the attacks are leaving them defenseless. Especially as we are now countering most of their cruise missiles. That is possible. There ARE folks in Russia now that have been demanding nukes being used. It's possible that Putin is a "moderate" among those assholes. Still, we should give the UA ATACM's with some caveats about not being used on Russia proper. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:16:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Fill it with the personal papers/passports of the RU KIA and sprinkle them around the Kremlin or Red Square. That would sent 2 important messages. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Tiberius: Have it drop leaflets showing Putin and his creatures as “cocks” for Xi Jinping. It’s even kind of true. Fill it with the personal papers/passports of the RU KIA and sprinkle them around the Kremlin or Red Square. That would sent 2 important messages. Nobody would believe they are real. RU people are heavily indoctrinated over decades. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:17:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:18:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: We’re giving away large amounts of cheap 155mm. We’re giving away HMMVs, Stingers, HARMS, and HARPOONS made for the Cold War 30+ years ago. We’re giving away M113s made 50 years ago armed with M2s made 80 years ago. Many of these items we would've literally had to pay to dispose of. The only “big ticket” items are GMLRS and to an extent Javelin, and when you estimate how much we’re probably supplying of those it’s pocket change. There are other means of payment besides money. For one, the free advertising of our weapons systems literally dismantling our main arms competitor will pay the cost of the donated munitions a hundred times over. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Eat_Beef: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: World Arms Dealer != World Police Try to keep up. Being the world arms dealer would imply we were actually selling arms rather than giving them away. We’re giving away large amounts of cheap 155mm. We’re giving away HMMVs, Stingers, HARMS, and HARPOONS made for the Cold War 30+ years ago. We’re giving away M113s made 50 years ago armed with M2s made 80 years ago. Many of these items we would've literally had to pay to dispose of. The only “big ticket” items are GMLRS and to an extent Javelin, and when you estimate how much we’re probably supplying of those it’s pocket change. There are other means of payment besides money. For one, the free advertising of our weapons systems literally dismantling our main arms competitor will pay the cost of the donated munitions a hundred times over. If I’m a nation state looking to acquire arms, they sure aren’t going to be Russian or by proxy Chinese. Makes you wonder now how all those countries feel who’s nemesis buys western arms vs their Soviet monkey models. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:21:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Russia confessed to damage to only 2 bombers. I always assume they are lying, so there must have been damage to at least 3 bombers. Consider also: - bombers are fragile, aluminum-skinned craft, highly dependent on hydraulics and wires. It wouldn’t take much in the way of shrapnel to knock a bomber out of commission, at least temporarily. While this drone (whatever model) was no HIMARS warhead, remember what simple tungsten alloy BBs did to that Russian truck: they sailed right through the truck’s steel leaf springs. The drone fragments probably damaged numerous bombers. My bet is both bombers to the left in that photo are down and out for repairs for a while. Hopefully, some "golden BB's" hit numerous bombers and the Russians wont know until hydraulics goes out during landing or take off. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:22:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Interesting verbage by the SOS
I don’t like that |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:24:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Agree plus also you start effectively hitting bases deep inside Russia they are going to get backed into a corner and do something drastic. They aren't going to be like oh well lets talk now that you destroyed half of our bomber fleet. They will launch and use the excuse that the attacks are leaving them defenseless. Especially as we are now countering most of their cruise missiles. I get the distinct impression the russians who have any idea of what is going on, are pretty scared of what nato definitely is going to do if russia uses a nuke. And now that they have been at war with Ukraine, they no longer have any doubt of how badly nato will humiliate them. They would no longer have enough of a military to defend themselves, there would be a civil war, and it would be very violent as the average people take revenge on all of the government people and their family members. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:26:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Interesting verbage by the SOS
That's deliberate messaging to Putin that we're going to pressure Ukraine to give up Crimea. 
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:29:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Nobody would believe they are real. RU people are heavily indoctrinated over decades. But they are not stupid. They know the war is NOT going well. They could easily check to see the names exist and were on a mobilization roster. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:32:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: That's deliberate messaging to Putin that we're going to pressure Ukraine to give up Crimea. Are you surprised? |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:35:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: If I’m a nation state looking to acquire arms, they sure aren’t going to be Russian or by proxy Chinese. Makes you wonder now how all those countries feel who’s nemesis buys western arms vs their Soviet monkey models. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Eat_Beef: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: World Arms Dealer != World Police Try to keep up. Being the world arms dealer would imply we were actually selling arms rather than giving them away. We’re giving away large amounts of cheap 155mm. We’re giving away HMMVs, Stingers, HARMS, and HARPOONS made for the Cold War 30+ years ago. We’re giving away M113s made 50 years ago armed with M2s made 80 years ago. Many of these items we would've literally had to pay to dispose of. The only “big ticket” items are GMLRS and to an extent Javelin, and when you estimate how much we’re probably supplying of those it’s pocket change. There are other means of payment besides money. For one, the free advertising of our weapons systems literally dismantling our main arms competitor will pay the cost of the donated munitions a hundred times over. If I’m a nation state looking to acquire arms, they sure aren’t going to be Russian or by proxy Chinese. Makes you wonder now how all those countries feel who’s nemesis buys western arms vs their Soviet monkey models. I think the monkey model thing has been put to bed. It was Russian cope for how poorly their stuff faired in Iraq. Their supposed top tier stuff is just as shit. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:43:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Are you surprised? |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:46:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Bullshit like that is going to get thousands of Ukrainians killed. I know. :( |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:57:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: My mother and father in-laws both live in that county. You aren't the only folks asking that question . . . I can tell you this - the attitude among the folks that I've discussed this with in the circles that I run in are rather apocalyptic. If it can be proven that Russia is hitting US infrastructure the gloves may come off completely. I'm not saying nukes but I AM saying NATO will respond in a way that Russia will not find at all pleasant. Put it this way - it might take a bit longer to get the lights back on in Moscow than it would in Kyiv for sure - especially if no one is willing to sell them LPTs due to risk of US sanctions. If there are any SVR/FSB/GRU trolls here please take note and report to your masters that this is an INCREDIBLY bad idea. It isn't escalation - it's a widening of the battlespace. And that will spell the end of Russia as it now exists. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By Erno86: I'm just wondering that if Russian sabotage terrorists --- sympathetic to Putin ---- were responsible for the intentional and targeted rifle shooting of a transformer substation in North Carolina yesterday; which has thousands of people still out of power. If so...I believe it marks a major escalation of the war in Ukraine. Experts claim...that if 20 certain substations are sabotaged and destroyed in the U.S....the entire power grid in the country will be blacked-out. I can tell you this - the attitude among the folks that I've discussed this with in the circles that I run in are rather apocalyptic. If it can be proven that Russia is hitting US infrastructure the gloves may come off completely. I'm not saying nukes but I AM saying NATO will respond in a way that Russia will not find at all pleasant. Put it this way - it might take a bit longer to get the lights back on in Moscow than it would in Kyiv for sure - especially if no one is willing to sell them LPTs due to risk of US sanctions. If there are any SVR/FSB/GRU trolls here please take note and report to your masters that this is an INCREDIBLY bad idea. It isn't escalation - it's a widening of the battlespace. And that will spell the end of Russia as it now exists. I'm not so sure. I bet we would brush it under the rug, i don't think we would have balls enough to say you crossed the line and these are the consequences. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 4:59:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Bullshit like that is going to get thousands of Ukrainians killed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By 7empest: Are you surprised? Tens of thousands. It is all so foolish and short sighted. even if we stop pumping in material before they get Crimea back, telegraphing it is the worst idea. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:01:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Are you surprised? Not really |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:06:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: That's deliberate messaging to Putin that we're going to pressure Ukraine to give up Crimea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Interesting verbage by the SOS
That's deliberate messaging to Putin that we're going to pressure Ukraine to give up Crimea. How about Russia giving up Moscow and moving their capital to bum-fuck Siberia. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woozman: I don't like that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woozman: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Interesting verbage by the SOS
I don't like that |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:15:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Erno86: I'm just wondering that if Russian sabotage terrorists --- sympathetic to Putin ---- were responsible for the intentional and targeted rifle shooting of a transformer substation in North Carolina yesterday; which has thousands of people still out of power. If so...I believe it marks a major escalation of the war in Ukraine. Experts claim...that if 20 certain substations are sabotaged and destroyed in the U.S....the entire power grid in the country will be blacked-out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Erno86: I'm just wondering that if Russian sabotage terrorists --- sympathetic to Putin ---- were responsible for the intentional and targeted rifle shooting of a transformer substation in North Carolina yesterday; which has thousands of people still out of power. If so...I believe it marks a major escalation of the war in Ukraine. Experts claim...that if 20 certain substations are sabotaged and destroyed in the U.S....the entire power grid in the country will be blacked-out. I've seen it reported as "There are 57,000 substations in the US. If the right 9 interconnecting substations were wrecked, massive areas of the country would be without power for 18 months." No, I don't know which 9. Nor do I want to. Originally Posted By Banditman: That could be done easily with a Cresent wrench. Quietly remove the coolant drain plugs That would make a heck of an oil mess, but the likely result is that the transformers begin to overheat and relaying or a controller would take them out of service before damage occured. That's not the ONLY possibility, but things are sort of designed that way. Low Oil and High Bank Temp alarms are a thing. If nothing (or no one) was paying attention, you might get some damage from internal faults after the oil was all gone and the bank were left in service, but that would be a really shitty way to be running a power system. Bombs and guns and suicide drones do the job better. As Russia is proving every day. Faster, surer, and impossible to fix. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:15:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: How about Russia giving up Moscow and moving their capital to bum-fuck Siberia. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:16:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I get the distinct impression the russians who have any idea of what is going on, are pretty scared of what nato definitely is going to do if russia uses a nuke. And now that they have been at war with Ukraine, they no longer have any doubt of how badly nato will humiliate them. Unless Russia is able to kill the entire fucking planet, they will come out worse than they go in, if they launch any nukes. The "west" has pretty much already told them that they're playing to maybe keep what toys they have left - they get nothing new out of this. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:19:02 PM EDT
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Blinken’s messaging may be more to placate the Russians than to shut down any moves by the Ukrainians.
Trying to see the positive in it, but I’m not convinced that this administration won’t fuck things up. I hope and pray that Ukraine gets all their land back and Russia is ground into dust. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:20:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yeah, after seeing this I was thinking the Tu-160 got some damage. More images coming in seem to show it may have been a Tu-141
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjULU4SWAAA_xhy?format=jpg&name=900x900 The "wreckage" of the "drone" seems rather suspect to me. I can't imagine something made of metal, weighing several thousand pounds, and moving at 400+ mph coming to a rest in less than 200 meters after impacting reinforced concrete that is 20" + thick and only breaking into two large pieces. Something ain't quite right!!! |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: That's deliberate messaging to Putin that we're going to pressure Ukraine to give up Crimea. Sure seems like it. I thought locking down access to Crimea and kicking the rus out of the rest of Ukraine, then cleaning up Crimea made sense from a force concentration standpoint. But with fjb seemingly offering up Crimea as a consolation prize I think Ukraine better take it sooner than later if it's within their capability. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:22:19 PM EDT
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Sounds like they missed one. Apparently the mopeds are back in town. So much for cold weather being an issue.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:22:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dracster]
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This was announced a couple months ago. Excalibur in the Czech Republic has started refurbing 120 T-72M for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, paid for by the US and Netherlands. Supposedly, this is the upgrade package:
T-72 Avenger - modernization of T-72M1 tank to 3rd gen standard by Czech company Excalibur Army, introduced in 2022. Includes most of Scarab modernization and more. Addition of 196 reactive armour segments that add equivalent of 400mm steel protection. New optical and electronical targeting system, modernized night vision Optistrade for all three crew members. New laser rangefinder and improved commander's and driver's sight. Night vision system that works in full passive mode without using infrared light. Improved thermal sight with ballistic computer. Periscopical sights with anti-laser protection. Modernized powerpack with increased power (840 HP). Complete modernization of driver's cockpit including digital interface. New internal and external system of communication, digital radio enabling encrypted communication. New fire protection system.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:22:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:26:20 PM EDT
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