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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:27:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DPeacher: The "wreckage" of the "drone" seems rather suspect to me. I can't imagine something made of metal, weighing several thousand pounds, and moving at 400+ mph coming to a rest in less than 200 meters after impacting reinforced concrete that is 20" + thick and only breaking into two large pieces. Something ain't quite right!!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DPeacher: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yeah, after seeing this I was thinking the Tu-160 got some damage. More images coming in seem to show it may have been a Tu-141
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjULU4SWAAA_xhy?format=jpg&name=900x900 The "wreckage" of the "drone" seems rather suspect to me. I can't imagine something made of metal, weighing several thousand pounds, and moving at 400+ mph coming to a rest in less than 200 meters after impacting reinforced concrete that is 20" + thick and only breaking into two large pieces. Something ain't quite right!!! I would agree, but if this got shot down like the Russians claim at the airfield we might be seeing the result of that, instead of a more direct hit on the aircraft. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:28:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 1 hr.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:28:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gODZOOKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Interesting verbage by the SOS
Perfect opportunity to completely destroy one of our greatest adversaries militarily which gives us the ability to focus on China and here’s Biden and co (US) once again, stepping on their pecker |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:30:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Blinken’s messaging may be more to placate the Russians than to shut down any moves by the Ukrainians. Trying to see the positive in it, but I’m not convinced that this administration won’t fuck things up. I hope and pray that Ukraine gets all their land back and Russia is ground into dust. It could be that, and we’ll step back when they’ve retaken Donbas and say “no more help” knowing there’s a good chance they won’t need it. But I’ve been overly optimistic before. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:33:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:34:21 PM EDT
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I think this was announced last month also.
"Modernized at the factory of the Czech company Excalibur Army pickups with 14.5-mm anti-aircraft guns ZPU-2 for subsequent transfer to Ukraine. Most likely, these light mobile anti-aircraft installations will be primarily used by the enemy to combat Geran-2 kamikaze drones."  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:34:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: That's deliberate messaging to Putin that we're going to pressure Ukraine to give up Crimea.  Yeah, maybe. But the coalition of the west has some members who are about to go into very hard times because they are willing to make sacrifices for Ukraine. They probably would prefer to hear that something other that a fight to the death is at least being considered as they never had to be part of this war if they didn't want to. It's at least respectful. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:35:39 PM EDT
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Video of a Ukrainian artillery barrage in Bakhmut.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:39:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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We knew this but official now.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:40:01 PM EDT
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That is some serious hate. Not quite regimental level but still rather large
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:41:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Worth giving them away to demonstrate real world battlefield effectiveness to potential buyers. To say nothing of the lessons being gained for our own use. You're talking about giving away public money in hopes of private companies making a private profit. How conservative. Or do you think that the taxes on future EXTRA sales will more than make up for what we're giving away now? That would be awesome, but please show your math. I'm all for Ukraine getting saved and Russia getting torched, but let's not pretend this is a financial windfall. 
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:42:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Anyone know what would be a good 2-way radio for ZSU? My cousin just reached out to me and is asking if we could send some to them. His wife’s nephew is in Bakhmut and their stuff all got destroyed, brigade got wiped out. He’s still alive.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:42:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 1 hr.
First drones(or whatever) and now artillery. It sounds like they are on the move again. Good. I'm still really, really, really hoping that before this war is over we get packs of robot dogs charging into russian trenches. Have you ever heard the sound a dog makes when it gets into a fight and it goes beyond fighting, it looses it's freakin' mind and it is going to rip apart everything? That insane roar-scream thing is the sound the robot dogs should make when they jump into the trenches. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:42:47 PM EDT
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(Russian) "The Ministry of Defense received a batch of modernized T-72B3M obr. 2022."
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:45:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lorazepam]
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Edit: He mentions that they "had to send their passports home" I wonder where they really are. Sure keeps them from crossing the border. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:46:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: I ain't know nuff 'bout dat. But when the Poles be rockin' 1000 K2-PLs and 300 M1A2 SEP.V3 Abrams, I bet all those Leopard 2s, PT-91s, T-72s and other stuff make their way a bit further south. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By Capta: The Poles are buying so much that I wonder if they’re really doing a shadow buy for Ukraine. UA gets the SK stuff and Poland the US stuff. I ain't know nuff 'bout dat. But when the Poles be rockin' 1000 K2-PLs and 300 M1A2 SEP.V3 Abrams, I bet all those Leopard 2s, PT-91s, T-72s and other stuff make their way a bit further south. It has a lot to do with production time and localized production. South Korea claims they can have tanks delivered to Poland this year. I suppose we'll see if that happens. The next part is they will eventually be built in Poland. Poland wants to kickstart their own arms industry. They already do some stuff but clearly want to do everything. Co-producing tanks is a good way to get started. I recall that we are sending the M1117 to Ukraine. How does this compare to the M113 in terms of armor and carrying capacity?  Obviously I assume wheels are better on road and worse off road. Just wondering how these will be used and what role they do. At least the turret is protected. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:50:19 PM EDT
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"Russian propagandists publish footage of the arrival of T-90M convoys to Luhansk"
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:50:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam:
5 days of rain and living in a trench that's a swamp. Pallets are going to be the big deal in this war.  We should send pallets to Ukraine.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:51:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: That's deliberate messaging to Putin that we're going to pressure Ukraine to give up Crimea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Interesting verbage by the SOS
That's deliberate messaging to Putin that we're going to pressure Ukraine to give up Crimea. All they had to do was say nothing. Nope, gotta open their mouth and screw it up. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:53:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: It has a lot to do with production time and localized production. South Korea claims they can have tanks delivered to Poland this year. I suppose we'll see if that happens. The next part is they will eventually be built in Poland. Poland wants to kickstart their own arms industry. They already do some stuff but clearly want to do everything. Co-producing tanks is a good way to get started. I recall that we are sending the M1117 to Ukraine. How does this compare to the M113 in terms of armor and carrying capacity? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/M1117_Armored_Security_Vehicle.jpg Obviously I assume wheels are better on road and worse off road. Just wondering how these will be used and what role they do. At least the turret is protected. If I was Ukraine, I’d strip the turret off and drop into 113s. The 1117 is a dog at best, |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:54:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: It's amazing not much has changed despite the war. Granted we are not on the frontline and do have attacks, but the things that make it great still exist. I'm surprised to see new businesses appear when others pack up. Life goes on stubbornly. Patriotism is at an all time high. Good, Y'all deserve to feel good about yourselves. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:57:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2022 5:57:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tabraha: Sure reads that way. Ideally like everything else they put out initially maybe this will get walked back too. All they had to do was say nothing. Nope, gotta open their mouth and screw it up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tabraha: Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Interesting verbage by the SOS
That's deliberate messaging to Putin that we're going to pressure Ukraine to give up Crimea. All they had to do was say nothing. Nope, gotta open their mouth and screw it up. Yea, the message is not helpful.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:01:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lorazepam]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Anyone know what would be a good 2-way radio for ZSU? My cousin just reached out to me and is asking if we could send some to them. His wife’s nephew is in Bakhmut and their stuff all got destroyed, brigade got wiped out. He’s still alive. @gentlefarmer For something that could be "encrypted" DMR radios are digital or regular analog. Only those with dmr radios set properly can talk to each other in digital mode. They can also work like the analog radios. Most are using Baofengs or derivatives in analog. @Gyprat |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:07:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: It has a lot to do with production time and localized production. South Korea claims they can have tanks delivered to Poland this year. I suppose we'll see if that happens. The next part is they will eventually be built in Poland. Poland wants to kickstart their own arms industry. They already do some stuff but clearly want to do everything. Co-producing tanks is a good way to get started. I recall that we are sending the M1117 to Ukraine. How does this compare to the M113 in terms of armor and carrying capacity? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/M1117_Armored_Security_Vehicle.jpg Obviously I assume wheels are better on road and worse off road. Just wondering how these will be used and what role they do. At least the turret is protected. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By Capta: The Poles are buying so much that I wonder if they’re really doing a shadow buy for Ukraine. UA gets the SK stuff and Poland the US stuff. I ain't know nuff 'bout dat. But when the Poles be rockin' 1000 K2-PLs and 300 M1A2 SEP.V3 Abrams, I bet all those Leopard 2s, PT-91s, T-72s and other stuff make their way a bit further south. It has a lot to do with production time and localized production. South Korea claims they can have tanks delivered to Poland this year. I suppose we'll see if that happens. The next part is they will eventually be built in Poland. Poland wants to kickstart their own arms industry. They already do some stuff but clearly want to do everything. Co-producing tanks is a good way to get started. I recall that we are sending the M1117 to Ukraine. How does this compare to the M113 in terms of armor and carrying capacity? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/M1117_Armored_Security_Vehicle.jpg Obviously I assume wheels are better on road and worse off road. Just wondering how these will be used and what role they do. At least the turret is protected. South Korea has already started delivering tanks to Poland. https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/12/06/first-korean-tanks-and-howitzers-arrive-in-poland/#:~:text=Poland%20has%20received%20the%20first,and%20defence%20minister%20Mariusz%20B%C5%82aszczak |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:07:46 PM EDT
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(But wait...there's more)
Czech Company Modernizes Tanks For Ukraine With The Help Of Refugees  Czech Company Modernizes Tanks For Ukraine With The Help Of Refugees |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:08:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: 5 days of rain and living in a trench that's a swamp. Pallets are going to be the big deal in this war. We should send pallets to Ukraine.We cannot afford to have that technology fall into the RU hands. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:09:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: It has a lot to do with production time and localized production. South Korea claims they can have tanks delivered to Poland this year. I suppose we'll see if that happens. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: It has a lot to do with production time and localized production. South Korea claims they can have tanks delivered to Poland this year. I suppose we'll see if that happens. Today:  First 10 K2 Black Panther MBT and 24 K9A1 thunder SPH arrived to port in Gdynia, Poland. @Flogger23m |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:11:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "Bakhmut, a hospital for wounded soldiers" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-12-06_08-59-59_jpg-2626178.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-12-06_09-00-02_jpg-2626179.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-12-06_09-00-00_jpg-2626182.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-12-06_09-00-02__2__jpg-2626183.JPG 
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:31:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: I recall that we are sending the M1117 to Ukraine. How does this compare to the M113 in terms of armor and carrying capacity? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/M1117_Armored_Security_Vehicle.jpg Obviously I assume wheels are better on road and worse off road. Just wondering how these will be used and what role they do. At least the turret is protected. Much better protected, less mobilt off road, very capable on road. Unsure if they bought the turrets with night vision or thermal sights but it's better than only day sights. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:36:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eat_Beef: You're talking about giving away public money in hopes of private companies making a private profit. How conservative. Or do you think that the taxes on future EXTRA sales will more than make up for what we're giving away now? That would be awesome, but please show your math. I'm all for Ukraine getting saved and Russia getting torched, but let's not pretend this is a financial windfall. I did the math on this a while back. Consider that a huge percentage of the money spend in the deal goes to US persons and companies and will have taxes paid on is, then when people have to look to the US to buy effective weapons we get about 25% of everything they spend back in taxes. If US arms sales increase roughly $300B over the next decade, we are there. For scale, since 2/24 the Germans signed to buy $10B in aircraft from Lockmart and the whole world is on a spending spree. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:36:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: If I was Ukraine, I’d strip the turret off and drop into 113s. The 1117 is a dog at best, Free turds are the best turds. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:36:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: Tens of thousands. It is all so foolish and short sighted. even if we stop pumping in material before they get Crimea back, telegraphing it is the worst idea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By 7empest: Are you surprised? Tens of thousands. It is all so foolish and short sighted. even if we stop pumping in material before they get Crimea back, telegraphing it is the worst idea. Might be why UA seems to be adopting a “Crimea First” strategy. The Regime has been complaining for some time that Kyiv has only been telling them the bare minimum about its plans. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:39:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:40:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: That could be done easily with a Cresent wrench. Quietly remove the coolant drain plugs Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By stone-age: I want to see them hit multiple transformer stations for Moscow or St. Petersburg. Repeatedly. That could be done easily with a Cresent wrench. Quietly remove the coolant drain plugs Capture coolant in bottles Sell to russian mobik as flavored vodka Profit |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:45:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "Bakhmut, a hospital for wounded soldiers" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-12-06_08-59-59_jpg-2626178.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-12-06_09-00-02_jpg-2626179.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-12-06_09-00-00_jpg-2626182.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-12-06_09-00-02__2__jpg-2626183.JPG Saw this picture and wondered what the story was, though it obviously wasn’t good. All things considered it doesn’t appear terrible.  |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:52:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Same. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By weptek911: I’ve never wanted to visit a foreign country in my life as much as I’d like to see a post victory Ukraine. Same. UKR is on my bucket list now also . . . . . CMOS |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 6:55:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This is just one project, but this is another clue to the kind of stuff is happening all across the board regarding precision weapons and other military systems being manufactured. They originally wanted 210 LRASM's by 2025, but we are already years ahead of schedule for meeting that deadline, and apparently we're going to make more than they thought.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: In terms of whether Ukraine is impinging on the US Ability to fuck the Chicoms over Taiwan, the answer appears to be the opposite - its leading to an across the board increase in munitions purchases. US now looking to purchase over 1,100 JASSM/LRASM air launched stealth cruise missiles per year:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjM0Jh-UoAEg4Ea?format=jpg&name=large Likely other long range precision fires weapons will be bumped up as well:
This is just one project, but this is another clue to the kind of stuff is happening all across the board regarding precision weapons and other military systems being manufactured. They originally wanted 210 LRASM's by 2025, but we are already years ahead of schedule for meeting that deadline, and apparently we're going to make more than they thought. Awesome  I imagine the B21 + LRASM will pair nicely. Obviously specs are secret. But is the expectation that these will reliably make it through a modern ships defenses pretty easily, or do we still need shitloads of them to spam their AA defenses until they run out of AA missiles? |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:04:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Awesome I imagine the B21 + LRASM will pair nicely. Obviously specs are secret. But is the expectation that these will reliably make it through a modern ships defenses pretty easily, or do we still need shitloads of them to spam their AA defenses until they run out of AA missiles? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: In terms of whether Ukraine is impinging on the US Ability to fuck the Chicoms over Taiwan, the answer appears to be the opposite - its leading to an across the board increase in munitions purchases. US now looking to purchase over 1,100 JASSM/LRASM air launched stealth cruise missiles per year:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjM0Jh-UoAEg4Ea?format=jpg&name=large Likely other long range precision fires weapons will be bumped up as well:
This is just one project, but this is another clue to the kind of stuff is happening all across the board regarding precision weapons and other military systems being manufactured. They originally wanted 210 LRASM's by 2025, but we are already years ahead of schedule for meeting that deadline, and apparently we're going to make more than they thought. Awesome I imagine the B21 + LRASM will pair nicely. Obviously specs are secret. But is the expectation that these will reliably make it through a modern ships defenses pretty easily, or do we still need shitloads of them to spam their AA defenses until they run out of AA missiles? They are much more stealthy and made specifically to go after the most modern and well defended capital ships our enemy has. They have A.I. to plan their own route to avoid radar on the way in and can target specific areas of a ship, like the bridge and magazines. You should not have to spam them. You can use Naval strike missiles and Tomahawk Block 5's for other ships. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:12:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Tactical Tuna in theater. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/1B8B25E0-B5C3-4C7C-95CE-83BCC4532492_jpe-2625708.JPG Tuna with a taste for Russian Caviar... Very cool to see the F2000 make an appearance. With its completely sealed action, it would be a good choice for the really muddy trenches. Plus just cool as hell. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:28:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
The kremlin and wagner have been attempting to use Bakmut as proof that russia is taking ground. Pushing them back would be very helpful in proving to the russian people they are just losing. Nothing but losing no matter how many of them die for putin. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:28:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe K2 would be the perfect tank for Ukraine too. It has a 3 man crew, which is what they are used to operating with. And it offers good protection while still being significantly lighter than an Abrams, which makes it more suitable for Ukraine's infrastructure. |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:35:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: spydercomonkey]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: What are the bullpup type weapons? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Originally Posted By sq40: Tactical Tuna in theater. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/1B8B25E0-B5C3-4C7C-95CE-83BCC4532492_jpe-2625708.JPG What are the bullpup type weapons? FN F2000. Its a modernized, forward ejecting AUG basically, built with a completely sealed action making it largely impervious to mud.  Mud Test: FS2000 It was designed to pair with a 40mm grenade launcher and computerized smart scope, which would be powered with a battery inside the rifles stock. Sort of a "OICW Lite" - sadly this genius combo was not adopted by anyone. 
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:36:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Holy shit! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 1 hr.
Holy shit! I really wish this group of Marines could have been the trainers for the UA crews.  Marine Corps Artillery |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:43:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LesBaer45: Wow. Is that FN FS2000 in actual use? I guess they had a warehouse full? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LesBaer45: Originally Posted By sq40: Tactical Tuna in theater. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/1B8B25E0-B5C3-4C7C-95CE-83BCC4532492_jpe-2625708.JPG Wow. Is that FN FS2000 in actual use? I guess they had a warehouse full? They only show up in the weirdest places. This one started life in Libya, was stolen when the country fell, and somehow made its way through Syria and into Gaza:  https://twitter.com/calibreobscura/status/1090895399186038784 |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:44:00 PM EDT
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They are working us over this early morning. Siren again and reports that Zaporozhye getting hit.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:48:58 PM EDT
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We've all already heard rumors of full mobilization at the start of the year. And now russians are very hurt-feel because attack on mother land soil. And drones that went right through russian air defense. (SHUT UP! Russians pretend that didn't just happen. Talk about something else!) So now an actual declaration of war against Ukraine seems likely to happen sooner rather than later. And lets be honest, russian pride is not going to tolerate a loss to Ukraine until their military is in real trouble, they will just keep escalating. I have no idea if there are any people in russia who object to what is going on or if it even matters what they object to. But I expect we are about to find out how many of them are willing to send their family members to die in the mud for nothing.
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:51:14 PM EDT
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Zaporizhzhia region is also the work of air defense.
Enemy UAVs are in the sky.
🇺🇦New explosions reported in Zaporozhye
Continues the work of air defense in Dnipro and Zaporizhzhia. https://t.me/war_monitor |
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Posted: 12/6/2022 7:51:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Interesting verbage by the SOS
Yes, very interesting. Seems like the goal is a status quo antebellum, return to Feb 23 borders... |
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