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Posted: 12/8/2022 7:33:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunslinger808: That was in part one of my arguments against those that were saying it was really costing us next to nothing to arm the Ukraine. People are fond of saying that we are not spending money while in fact we have to replenish stocks we’ve given up to them. In all of the news sources quoting officials that I linked to several things that are current production and in current use are cited. 155 rounds, Javelins (which now seem to be in short supply in the Ukraine), and replenishment of HIMARS which is a slow roll even if full war footing is implemented. And what ever happened to all those Switchblades and other loiter munitions? I’ve shown you repeatedly what’s in short supply, it’s not a secret and the info is out there. Yes China, and by extension it’s proxy allies such as North Korea, as I said earlier, for China to expand its sphere of influence and hold it is going to take more than naval battles, it’s going to take ground forces to hold any gains they hope to keep either in Taiwan or South Korea or for that matter should they go after Australia. And that means ground war which means artillery, and other land based weapons systems. And last, just the munitions being used in the Ukraine keep adding up, and will continue to do so outpacing production. This war is going to continue for a long time, short of WMD use, this is going to remain an ongoing conflict possibly for years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunslinger808: What exactly is it that is jeopardizing our readiness? Ammunition for systems is being increased in production, and the burden widely shared with allies. That was in part one of my arguments against those that were saying it was really costing us next to nothing to arm the Ukraine. People are fond of saying that we are not spending money while in fact we have to replenish stocks we’ve given up to them. What exactly is it that is jeopardizing our readiness? In all of the news sources quoting officials that I linked to several things that are current production and in current use are cited. 155 rounds, Javelins (which now seem to be in short supply in the Ukraine), and replenishment of HIMARS which is a slow roll even if full war footing is implemented. And what ever happened to all those Switchblades and other loiter munitions? I’ve shown you repeatedly what’s in short supply, it’s not a secret and the info is out there. China? Are they going to go full ground war anywhere against the rest of the free world? Yes China, and by extension it’s proxy allies such as North Korea, as I said earlier, for China to expand its sphere of influence and hold it is going to take more than naval battles, it’s going to take ground forces to hold any gains they hope to keep either in Taiwan or South Korea or for that matter should they go after Australia. And that means ground war which means artillery, and other land based weapons systems. And last, just the munitions being used in the Ukraine keep adding up, and will continue to do so outpacing production. This war is going to continue for a long time, short of WMD use, this is going to remain an ongoing conflict possibly for years. You think China is going to invade Australia and that people in this thread are living in a fantasy world? You are worrying about things that are never going to happen. This in a nutshell explains your entire position to me. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 7:35:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
American volunteer.
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Posted: 12/8/2022 8:06:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By postpostban: You think China is going to invade Australia and that people in this thread are living in a fantasy world? You are worrying about things that are never going to happen. This in a nutshell explains your entire position to me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By postpostban: Originally Posted By Gunslinger808: What exactly is it that is jeopardizing our readiness? Ammunition for systems is being increased in production, and the burden widely shared with allies. That was in part one of my arguments against those that were saying it was really costing us next to nothing to arm the Ukraine. People are fond of saying that we are not spending money while in fact we have to replenish stocks we’ve given up to them. What exactly is it that is jeopardizing our readiness? In all of the news sources quoting officials that I linked to several things that are current production and in current use are cited. 155 rounds, Javelins (which now seem to be in short supply in the Ukraine), and replenishment of HIMARS which is a slow roll even if full war footing is implemented. And what ever happened to all those Switchblades and other loiter munitions? I’ve shown you repeatedly what’s in short supply, it’s not a secret and the info is out there. China? Are they going to go full ground war anywhere against the rest of the free world? Yes China, and by extension it’s proxy allies such as North Korea, as I said earlier, for China to expand its sphere of influence and hold it is going to take more than naval battles, it’s going to take ground forces to hold any gains they hope to keep either in Taiwan or South Korea or for that matter should they go after Australia. And that means ground war which means artillery, and other land based weapons systems. And last, just the munitions being used in the Ukraine keep adding up, and will continue to do so outpacing production. This war is going to continue for a long time, short of WMD use, this is going to remain an ongoing conflict possibly for years. You think China is going to invade Australia and that people in this thread are living in a fantasy world? You are worrying about things that are never going to happen. This in a nutshell explains your entire position to me. The thing is we are not in short supply for our Military, our stocks of warfighting ammo for war plans with china have not been touched, and every article he has posted and every other article hes been shown says the same thing. But for some reason he cannot understand that and thinks we are dipping into our training and war-fighting munitions in which we are not, and the US said that it will not, ever. He is making an argument when there doesnt have to be one. there is no worry about being able to handle another war ... Honestly my opinion he does not like to see folks like the ones in here championing victory for Ukraine, for whatever reason IDK. But we are expanding our capability to produce more at a rapid pace to replace the old stocks we have sent. And yes we damn sure are spending money to do so, but why argue against that like he is? We will end up better off than if we did not give Ukraine old stocks. So his argument is invalid and has been shown to be by several others here also. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 8:23:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunslinger808: OK, let’s look specifically at 155 rounds, so far the USA has provided over 800,000 to the Ukraine according to various sources, and those numbers are from August. That means we need to replenish our stocks, and that’s not including the thousands guided munitions also sent at that time. Where does the money to do that come from? If we get into a major conflict will those countries you mentioned supply us in our shortages, or will they be facing their own shortage issues? This is a wet dream for countries like China, they’re watching one of their greatest rivals get decimated, and watching another deplete it’s war fighting reserves only to have to try and ramp up production, it’s a win all the way around for them without having to fire a shot. The money to triple 155 production has already been appropriated in the $90B of “aid to Ukraine.” Congress is already looking to approve an additional doubling of production. Stop being emotional and get educated on the subject. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 8:57:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: The money to triple 155 production has already been appropriated in the $90B of “aid to Ukraine.” Congress is already looking to approve an additional doubling of production. Stop being emotional and get educated on the subject. They’ve already announced slightly more than tripling production. Ramping from 14k/yr to 40k/yr. Obviously, these are all CNN and WaPo click bait headlines that cause concern. Anonymous handwringing and no real facts. We have three factories, all running single shift at peacetime rates. If we NEED shells, we can make shells. Blame the journalists for this nonsense, for the most part. For example, here is a lengthy, virtually fact and source-free CNN article on the subject. It s embarrassing drivel. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/politics/us-weapon-stocks-ukraine/index.html Note that CNN has not updated the story or written a new one on the increase in production. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 9:01:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: They’ve already announced slightly more than tripling production. Ramping from 14k/yr to 40k/yr. Obviously, these are all CNN and WaPo click bait headlines that cause concern. Anonymous handwringing and no real facts. We have three factories, all running single shift at peacetime rates. If we NEED shells, we can make shells. Blame the journalists for this nonsense, for the most part. For example, here is a lengthy, virtually fact and source-free CNN article on the subject. It s embarrassing drivel. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/politics/us-weapon-stocks-ukraine/index.html Note that CNN has not updated the story or written a new one on the increase in production. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By Fallen: The money to triple 155 production has already been appropriated in the $90B of “aid to Ukraine.” Congress is already looking to approve an additional doubling of production. Stop being emotional and get educated on the subject. They’ve already announced slightly more than tripling production. Ramping from 14k/yr to 40k/yr. Obviously, these are all CNN and WaPo click bait headlines that cause concern. Anonymous handwringing and no real facts. We have three factories, all running single shift at peacetime rates. If we NEED shells, we can make shells. Blame the journalists for this nonsense, for the most part. For example, here is a lengthy, virtually fact and source-free CNN article on the subject. It s embarrassing drivel. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/politics/us-weapon-stocks-ukraine/index.html Note that CNN has not updated the story or written a new one on the increase in production. And that's been a huge problem for people, is they latch onto information whether false info or not without digging into actual facts and then they use it against anyone who supports aid to Ukraine. Not just this gunslinger guy but alot here in GD who get bent out of shape because they fell for propaganda or incomplete or totally false news reporting, or just by believing what they saw or heard on a internet forum. Sad. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 9:14:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: They’ve already announced slightly more than tripling production. Ramping from 14k/yr to 40k/yr. Obviously, these are all CNN and WaPo click bait headlines that cause concern. Anonymous handwringing and no real facts. We have three factories, all running single shift at peacetime rates. If we NEED shells, we can make shells. Blame the journalists for this nonsense, for the most part. For example, here is a lengthy, virtually fact and source-free CNN article on the subject. It s embarrassing drivel. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/politics/us-weapon-stocks-ukraine/index.html Note that CNN has not updated the story or written a new one on the increase in production. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By Fallen: The money to triple 155 production has already been appropriated in the $90B of “aid to Ukraine.” Congress is already looking to approve an additional doubling of production. Stop being emotional and get educated on the subject. They’ve already announced slightly more than tripling production. Ramping from 14k/yr to 40k/yr. Obviously, these are all CNN and WaPo click bait headlines that cause concern. Anonymous handwringing and no real facts. We have three factories, all running single shift at peacetime rates. If we NEED shells, we can make shells. Blame the journalists for this nonsense, for the most part. For example, here is a lengthy, virtually fact and source-free CNN article on the subject. It s embarrassing drivel. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/politics/us-weapon-stocks-ukraine/index.html Note that CNN has not updated the story or written a new one on the increase in production. Yeah, I was only addressing the funding because that’s what was brought up as the “problem.” The next thing he is going to complain about is that increased production won’t make up for the deficit for a couple years and we won’t be ready for the war with China that’s starting tonight at 7:03pm EST. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 9:31:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FDC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: They’ve already announced slightly more than tripling production. Ramping from 14k/yr to 40k/yr. Obviously, these are all CNN and WaPo click bait headlines that cause concern. Anonymous handwringing and no real facts. We have three factories, all running single shift at peacetime rates. If we NEED shells, we can make shells. 40,000 rounds is not a lot of ammo and does not replenish our stocks when you consider we are still giving ammo away and we are still trying to fire some, albeit a reduced amount, in training. For perspective, even in the GWOT artillery is bad era, my bn fired ~30,000 rounds on one deployment. Later on a USMC bn fired 35,000 rounds in 5 months in Syria. It is easy to say we can expand production, work extra shifts, etc. Finding people to work those extra shifts tends to be problematic. Especially now. Rosie the riveter isn't knocking down factory doors to get to work nowadays. The tendency of some to handwaive something that is a very real problem for the US military would be laughable if it wasn't a life or death/success or failure item. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 9:35:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: 40,000 rounds is not a lot of ammo and does not replenish our stocks when you consider we are still giving ammo away and we are still trying to fire some, albeit a reduced amount, in training. For perspective, even in the GWOT artillery is bad era, my bn fired ~30,000 rounds on one deployment. Later on a USMC bn fired 35,000 rounds in 5 months in Syria. It is easy to say we can expand production, work extra shifts, etc. Finding people to work those extra shifts tends to be problematic. Especially now. Rosie the riveter isn't knocking down factory doors to get to work nowadays. The tendency of some to handwaive something that is a very real problem for the US military would be laughable if it wasn't a life or death/success or failure item. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: Originally Posted By Jack67: They’ve already announced slightly more than tripling production. Ramping from 14k/yr to 40k/yr. Obviously, these are all CNN and WaPo click bait headlines that cause concern. Anonymous handwringing and no real facts. We have three factories, all running single shift at peacetime rates. If we NEED shells, we can make shells. 40,000 rounds is not a lot of ammo and does not replenish our stocks when you consider we are still giving ammo away and we are still trying to fire some, albeit a reduced amount, in training. For perspective, even in the GWOT artillery is bad era, my bn fired ~30,000 rounds on one deployment. Later on a USMC bn fired 35,000 rounds in 5 months in Syria. It is easy to say we can expand production, work extra shifts, etc. Finding people to work those extra shifts tends to be problematic. Especially now. Rosie the riveter isn't knocking down factory doors to get to work nowadays. The tendency of some to handwaive something that is a very real problem for the US military would be laughable if it wasn't a life or death/success or failure item. I don’t think the production rates quoted above are accurate at all |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 9:41:44 AM EDT
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How about taking that conversation to a new thread.
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Posted: 12/8/2022 9:41:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: 40,000 rounds is not a lot of ammo and does not replenish our stocks when you consider we are still giving ammo away and we are still trying to fire some, albeit a reduced amount, in training. For perspective, even in the GWOT artillery is bad era, my bn fired ~30,000 rounds on one deployment. Later on a USMC bn fired 35,000 rounds in 5 months in Syria. It is easy to say we can expand production, work extra shifts, etc. Finding people to work those extra shifts tends to be problematic. Especially now. Rosie the riveter isn't knocking down factory doors to get to work nowadays. The tendency of some to handwaive something that is a very real problem for the US military would be laughable if it wasn't a life or death/success or failure item. Thankfully we have folks like the South Koreans who are willing to step up and make stuff. They made and delivered dozens of SPGs and k2 tanks to Poland in months after signing the contracts. The Czech republic, Poland, Romania, and Bulgaria are looking to increase defense industries and I bet they can be tapped for shells and with the exchange rate it's a good deal. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 9:43:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: They’ve already announced slightly more than tripling production. Ramping from 14k/yr to 40k/yr. Obviously, these are all CNN and WaPo click bait headlines that cause concern. Anonymous handwringing and no real facts. We have three factories, all running single shift at peacetime rates. If we NEED shells, we can make shells. Blame the journalists for this nonsense, for the most part. For example, here is a lengthy, virtually fact and source-free CNN article on the subject. It s embarrassing drivel. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/politics/us-weapon-stocks-ukraine/index.html Note that CNN has not updated the story or written a new one on the increase in production. 40k a year is still not enough, but it's better than it was. WTF we have allowed our industries to atrophy so much is disgusting. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 9:51:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MADMAXXX]
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Idiot biden just traded the Russian Lord of War Viktor Bout for that Brittney Griner basketball playing America hating bitch.
 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Griner-is-free/5-2607090/? |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 9:55:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Idiot biden just traded the Russian Lord of War Viktor Bout for that Brittney Griner basketball playing America hating bitch. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Griner-is-free/5-2607090/? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/8/2022 9:58:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: 40,000 rounds is not a lot of ammo and does not replenish our stocks when you consider we are still giving ammo away and we are still trying to fire some, albeit a reduced amount, in training. For perspective, even in the GWOT artillery is bad era, my bn fired ~30,000 rounds on one deployment. Later on a USMC bn fired 35,000 rounds in 5 months in Syria. It is easy to say we can expand production, work extra shifts, etc. Finding people to work those extra shifts tends to be problematic. Especially now. Rosie the riveter isn't knocking down factory doors to get to work nowadays. The tendency of some to handwaive something that is a very real problem for the US military would be laughable if it wasn't a life or death/success or failure item. The "disagreement" between the 2 sides of this issue seem to be about when we may need the ammo. If China attacks Taiwan (or Australia or wherever) in 4-5 years, we will be ok since we are ramping up production and hopefully increase stocks eventually. But, like the poster above is saying, if China makes a move in 1-3 years, we may possibly be caught short. If nothing else, the war in Ukraine should have taught us that 40K rounds is nothing. Both sides of this argument can be correct. Keeping the flow of equipment to Ukraine should still continue though because good people are fighting bad people NOW and a war with China will probably not hinge on anything we will ever supply to Ukraine. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:00:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: That is a bad trade Bergdahl level bad. But in Xiden's America, a racist America-hating lgbtqp agitator is worth more than 100K patriots. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:06:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Fallen]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: 40,000 rounds is not a lot of ammo and does not replenish our stocks when you consider we are still giving ammo away and we are still trying to fire some, albeit a reduced amount, in training. For perspective, even in the GWOT artillery is bad era, my bn fired ~30,000 rounds on one deployment. Later on a USMC bn fired 35,000 rounds in 5 months in Syria. It is easy to say we can expand production, work extra shifts, etc. Finding people to work those extra shifts tends to be problematic. Especially now. Rosie the riveter isn't knocking down factory doors to get to work nowadays. The tendency of some to handwaive something that is a very real problem for the US military would be laughable if it wasn't a life or death/success or failure item. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: Originally Posted By Jack67: They’ve already announced slightly more than tripling production. Ramping from 14k/yr to 40k/yr. Obviously, these are all CNN and WaPo click bait headlines that cause concern. Anonymous handwringing and no real facts. We have three factories, all running single shift at peacetime rates. If we NEED shells, we can make shells. 40,000 rounds is not a lot of ammo and does not replenish our stocks when you consider we are still giving ammo away and we are still trying to fire some, albeit a reduced amount, in training. For perspective, even in the GWOT artillery is bad era, my bn fired ~30,000 rounds on one deployment. Later on a USMC bn fired 35,000 rounds in 5 months in Syria. It is easy to say we can expand production, work extra shifts, etc. Finding people to work those extra shifts tends to be problematic. Especially now. Rosie the riveter isn't knocking down factory doors to get to work nowadays. The tendency of some to handwaive something that is a very real problem for the US military would be laughable if it wasn't a life or death/success or failure item. It's 40k per month, not per year, up from 14k per month. In 2025 it will be around 100k per month, that's on average, a higher rate then is currently being expended by UA in this war. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:14:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunslinger808: Yes China, and by extension it’s proxy allies such as North Korea, as I said earlier, for China to expand its sphere of influence and hold it is going to take more than naval battles, it’s going to take ground forces to hold any gains they hope to keep either in Taiwan or South Korea or for that matter should they go after Australia. And that means ground war which means artillery, and other land based weapons systems. And last, just the munitions being used in the Ukraine keep adding up, and will continue to do so outpacing production. This war is going to continue for a long time, short of WMD use, this is going to remain an ongoing conflict possibly for years. Yeah, I don’t think that’s realistic. China took notice when Russia got cut off. COVID by itself has the natives more restless than the CCP would like. And I’m not a big fan of quoting Zeihan on war, but on geopolitics, he has a point.  |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:15:47 AM EDT
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FYI, to everyone above. If you're going to complain that artillery production is too low, you should at least have the knowledge of what current production is before commenting. Otherwise your attempt to look like a SME is a complete failure.
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:22:54 AM EDT
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Something got shot down over Kherson.
Kherson region, today, a Russian "bird" is flying somewhere and something incomprehensible is happening #R
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:25:06 AM EDT
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People need to realize first off, we have a plan in place if China invades Taiwan, we have a plan in place if North korea invades the south. With those plans we have stockpiles of munitions to back up those plans. those Munitions have not been touched!! For fucks sake, the whole argument that we are going to be left short if something pops off in the next 5 years is just stupid. We are not drawing down munitions that back our military on those plans. The US has already stated they won't touch those stock piles of munitions to help Ukraine. It's like we wasted the last 3 pages of this thread arguing that. Ffs move on from it
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:27:41 AM EDT
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I am certainly not an SME on the production of Arty shells, but I figured they are a lot like .22 shells. You can never really have enough. It may seem that you have a lot on hand, but when you start sending them down range, they go real quick. And soon all you have left is empty boxes. I say lets stock up when ever we can.
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:33:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: It's 40k per month, not per year, up from 14k per month. In 2025 it will be around 100k per month, that's on average, a higher rate then is currently being expended by UA in this war. 40k a month for a couple years will put us in the green. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:38:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: It's 40k per month, not per year, up from 14k per month. In 2025 it will be around 100k per month, that's on average, a higher rate then is currently being expended by UA in this war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fallen: Originally Posted By FDC: Originally Posted By Jack67: They’ve already announced slightly more than tripling production. Ramping from 14k/yr to 40k/yr. Obviously, these are all CNN and WaPo click bait headlines that cause concern. Anonymous handwringing and no real facts. We have three factories, all running single shift at peacetime rates. If we NEED shells, we can make shells. 40,000 rounds is not a lot of ammo and does not replenish our stocks when you consider we are still giving ammo away and we are still trying to fire some, albeit a reduced amount, in training. For perspective, even in the GWOT artillery is bad era, my bn fired ~30,000 rounds on one deployment. Later on a USMC bn fired 35,000 rounds in 5 months in Syria. It is easy to say we can expand production, work extra shifts, etc. Finding people to work those extra shifts tends to be problematic. Especially now. Rosie the riveter isn't knocking down factory doors to get to work nowadays. The tendency of some to handwaive something that is a very real problem for the US military would be laughable if it wasn't a life or death/success or failure item. It's 40k per month, not per year, up from 14k per month. In 2025 it will be around 100k per month, that's on average, a higher rate then is currently being expended by UA in this war. This, plus a lot of European countries are ramping up their production of artillery, when you start factoring that in it really isn't much of a crisis. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:44:14 AM EDT
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I wonder why CNN is worried about ammo reserves, but doesn't seem to worry about the strategic oil reserves?
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:44:48 AM EDT
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Mig-29 allegedly launching a HARM
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:45:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:45:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:47:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:47:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile: Mig-29 allegedly launching a HARM
PeppaPig 
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:49:57 AM EDT
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Maybe it was posted. Still wading through bullshit. Yes we are still having a war like it or not.
 Attached FileIt's a good day to sit inside. Conditions are not optimal for any travel. I slipped and slided my ass to the supermarket earlier on foot. Our new and improved hover buses. I love the dude in one video clip saying "Normal".   Attached Filehttps://www.instagram.com/p/Cl5dx8pN1N0/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:50:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:51:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: PeppaPig Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By SoCalExile: Mig-29 allegedly launching a HARM
PeppaPig I went back and looked at that too. Sure enough British children's show Peppa Pig with the word "Thrasher" under the character.  
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:54:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:56:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2022 10:59:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:03:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:05:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:08:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:12:26 AM EDT
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Three powerful explosions rang out at the air base in occupied Berdyansk, followed by 15 smaller explosions. This caused a large-scale fire.
 https://espreso.tv/na-aviabazi-okupantiv-u-berdyansku-progrimili-vibukhi-miska-va |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:12:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:13:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Not sure, I’d like that “unwound” clarified by a native speaker. It sounds like they managed to do well enough to reinforce already existing positions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By theskuh: what does this mean the fresh ukr brigades get hit with artillery? Not sure, I’d like that “unwound” clarified by a native speaker. It sounds like they managed to do well enough to reinforce already existing positions. Did who getting unwound by artillery ever get sorted out? |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:14:03 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: That is a bad trade Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By MADMAXXX: Idiot biden just traded the Russian Lord of War Viktor Bout for that Brittney Griner basketball playing America hating bitch. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Griner-is-free/5-2607090/? And left US Marine Paul Whelan who has been there 4 years.
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:14:37 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjdpfuMXEAIwZe8?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjdoHJpWAAAAXgB?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 We’ll I guess we’ve covered that 
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:15:43 AM EDT
[#45]
More ARF donated winter thermals/socks/sleeping bags made it to Bahkmut. I pass on the thanks to those who donated.
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:19:06 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Idiot biden just traded the Russian Lord of War Viktor Bout for that Brittney Griner basketball playing America hating bitch. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Griner-is-free/5-2607090/? What worries me more than the bad deal we KNOW we got is the bad deal we DON'T know about. What if Biden also promised Putin to slow support for Ukraine? |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:31:41 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: We’ll I guess we’ve covered that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjdpfuMXEAIwZe8?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjdoHJpWAAAAXgB?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 We’ll I guess we’ve covered that lol, with three difference sources so it must be happening.
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:35:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: This is such a good point, so kudos for that. I don't have direct experience, but the US supplied them to the Afghan commandos (and I think also Iraqi national police)? They are best suited to fill a role like the V100 Commando from the Vietnam era, so route security and reconnaissance missions over moderate terrain. I don't have any idea about their ease of use or maintenance, but I have heard that they are better than UAH for mine/IED resistance, but not quite as good as MRAPs. And surprise surprise, since they weigh about in between a UAH and an MRAP, you would expect about that kind of performance. Some things you can just tell by the way they look. Having a dual Mk19 and 50cal in a turret is good; but do they have a reliable supply of ammo and enough know-how to maintain those (new to them) weapons? The dismount ratio is a little more favorable than the UAH (on paper, 3 crew and 5 dismounts), but does that work in practice? Dudes wear and carry a lot of shit in winter time. Now...I was shocked to see the Ukrainians basically bum-rush occupied villages with UAH, so I am pretty worried that they will try to misuse the ASVs too, but...the Russians suck so bad that they *might* be able to get away with it. That isn't any way to plan or conduct missions if you want to live very long though.  Bottom line, we probably have a lot of ASVs in storage, and whatever their faults, they beat the hell out of soft skin SUVs and fucking minivans that we have seen before. I am sure the Ukrainians are smart enough to figure out what works best for them. This is one of the fucking weird themes I feel like I have heard from critics of aid to Ukraine: like the Ukrainians would just drive a vehicle or burn up ammo "because it was free"?? No dude, I don't think any sane human being drives even a "free" vehicle towards certain death, or tries to draw fire toward themselves with "free" ammo...because I'm pretty sure people tend to want to live. Maybe the Russians do that, but what a weird critique.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Depends on how they are used. Likely, in an overall role, they will not be as useful as an M-113, as despite it's age, a 113 is very versatile, can carry more troops, has superior cross-country mobility, and can carry more cargo, etc. If used correctly in niche roles, such as route security, overwatch on checkpoints, QRF for a large base, or certain urban scenarios, the 1117 would be superior in most cases to the 113. Provided the Ukes employ them within their capabilities, the M1117 will do well. This is such a good point, so kudos for that. I don't have direct experience, but the US supplied them to the Afghan commandos (and I think also Iraqi national police)? They are best suited to fill a role like the V100 Commando from the Vietnam era, so route security and reconnaissance missions over moderate terrain. I don't have any idea about their ease of use or maintenance, but I have heard that they are better than UAH for mine/IED resistance, but not quite as good as MRAPs. And surprise surprise, since they weigh about in between a UAH and an MRAP, you would expect about that kind of performance. Some things you can just tell by the way they look. Having a dual Mk19 and 50cal in a turret is good; but do they have a reliable supply of ammo and enough know-how to maintain those (new to them) weapons? The dismount ratio is a little more favorable than the UAH (on paper, 3 crew and 5 dismounts), but does that work in practice? Dudes wear and carry a lot of shit in winter time. Now...I was shocked to see the Ukrainians basically bum-rush occupied villages with UAH, so I am pretty worried that they will try to misuse the ASVs too, but...the Russians suck so bad that they *might* be able to get away with it. That isn't any way to plan or conduct missions if you want to live very long though. Bottom line, we probably have a lot of ASVs in storage, and whatever their faults, they beat the hell out of soft skin SUVs and fucking minivans that we have seen before. I am sure the Ukrainians are smart enough to figure out what works best for them. This is one of the fucking weird themes I feel like I have heard from critics of aid to Ukraine: like the Ukrainians would just drive a vehicle or burn up ammo "because it was free"?? No dude, I don't think any sane human being drives even a "free" vehicle towards certain death, or tries to draw fire toward themselves with "free" ammo...because I'm pretty sure people tend to want to live. Maybe the Russians do that, but what a weird critique. FWIW, other than soft-skins, I have not seen the Ukes go out of their way to abuse/misuse/risk their vehicles, outside of what is normally expected in combat. As much as Onyx # can be relied on, and given the nature of this war, I would have expected to see a lot more destroyed M-113s at this point in the fighting. Very few soldiers in the modern era actually directly pay for the combat vehicles they operate, and as you have pointed out, WHY would a competent commander, for example, employ an M1117 in an unsupported frontal assault on a reinforced trench line? The Ukes are not Daesh; they have to fight serial battles with the same muldoons who, as good Catholics/Orthodox/Protestant/Agnostic types, are not particularly anxious to meet Allah or cash in on their supposed 72 virgins. Besides, decent unit leaders intuitively understand that, if they break it or get it blown up, they no longer have it, and frontline replacement even in the best/most permissive circumstances can take a long time. On the front line, no one cares who paid for a piece of of equipment; that is WAY above their paygrade. The front line questions are: What are it's capabilities (and shortcomings)? Can I operate it? Does it Work? What do I have to do to keep it working? Can it be relatively painlessly supplied/sustained/maintained? Considering the demonstrated superiority of Ukrainian military leadership and motivation over the Orcs (or the Afghans/Iraqis), my guess is that the M1117s will do fine. If the Iraqi Army of 2011 had even some of the leadership and initiative shown by the Ukes to date, they would have mopped the floor with Daesh and the Iraqi Army just by it's existence would have been an existential threat to the Iranian regime. |
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:35:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#49]
Japan supplying support for Ukrainian energy infrastructure.
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Posted: 12/8/2022 11:36:51 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Agnes is full of shit. Whatever she says, it's class A bullshit. |
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