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Link Posted: 12/20/2022 9:12:02 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/20/2022 9:22:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By K0UA:



Yes, it is likely that the number is quite a bit larger than what we see.  The times in the last 10 months when from Russian a couple of times numbers have leaked out, their numbers were somewhat higher than the Ukrainian estimates.

Bottom line there are a lot less Russians in the world than there were in February. And you can bet there are going to be even less before this is all over..
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Originally Posted By K0UA:
Originally Posted By Infantry26:
I'd be shocked if that number is remotely accurate.  Without russia corroborating surely just a guess.



Yes, it is likely that the number is quite a bit larger than what we see.  The times in the last 10 months when from Russian a couple of times numbers have leaked out, their numbers were somewhat higher than the Ukrainian estimates.

Bottom line there are a lot less Russians in the world than there were in February. And you can bet there are going to be even less before this is all over..



Not good enough....

Not even remotely good enough to equally match the death of my grandfather who died in captivity.

Grounded to powder...and them living in lion loins is the goal.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 9:23:22 AM EST
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Oryx info.





Link Posted: 12/20/2022 9:26:35 AM EST
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Oryx info.





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Why are they flying the captured equipment to the US? Reverse-engineer/study reasons? The BUK and TOR are pretty old, although it seems the M2 variants are more modernized versions. (Buk M2 entered service in 2008)
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 9:27:49 AM EST
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Translated video here:

Link Posted: 12/20/2022 9:28:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Toybasher:
Why are they flying the captured equipment to the US? Reverse-engineer/study reasons? The BUK and TOR are pretty old, although it seems the M2 variants are more modernized versions. (Buk M2 entered service in 2008)
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Oryx info.





Why are they flying the captured equipment to the US? Reverse-engineer/study reasons? The BUK and TOR are pretty old, although it seems the M2 variants are more modernized versions. (Buk M2 entered service in 2008)


Maybe software updates and the like
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 9:30:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Toybasher:
Why are they flying the captured equipment to the US? Reverse-engineer/study reasons? The BUK and TOR are pretty old, although it seems the M2 variants are more modernized versions. (Buk M2 entered service in 2008)
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Originally Posted By Toybasher:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Oryx info.





Why are they flying the captured equipment to the US? Reverse-engineer/study reasons? The BUK and TOR are pretty old, although it seems the M2 variants are more modernized versions. (Buk M2 entered service in 2008)


Everything can provide useful clues, even if they are older systems.  If they have updates to the systems internally that are different than the export versions we get, upgrades to the radar, different operating frequencies than export versions, etc.  Even the various means that they control the missiles, the magnification of the optical sensors, or the crappyness of the thermal imager a system uses can give us good info on creating and fine tuning countermeasures to the systems.
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Link Posted: 12/20/2022 9:34:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By kncook:


100k dead Russians would make a nice Christmas present to the world.
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Originally Posted By kncook:
Originally Posted By TheLurker:


Holy shit! They might make 100k by tomorrow at this rate.  


100k dead Russians would make a nice Christmas present to the world.

That’s a lot of ladas.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 9:36:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By general_cluster:


Dude must clank when he walks.  that takes some big ones.  This makes my day.  
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Dude must clank when he walks.  that takes some big ones.  This makes my day.  



Plus, or most of all, he is taunting putin
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 9:40:11 AM EST
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Source:

Link Posted: 12/20/2022 9:51:21 AM EST
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Nice.  Translated original article here

Edit: that article contains some...interesting claims.  They claim ru might see a 2.5-3% drop in GDP over 2023.  unless there is a repeat of 08 that brings down global economies, then maybe a 5-6% drop.  Their primary export is energy, i think a 6% drop in exports would be best case
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 10:02:19 AM EST
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Outstanding.

Push em back to Luhansk!
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 10:16:48 AM EST
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Mariupol, Christmas 2021;
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Mariupol, Christmas 2022;
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Link Posted: 12/20/2022 10:18:58 AM EST
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Video in tweet of Ukrainian tank and operations against Russian positions at Bakhumt.











Link Posted: 12/20/2022 10:22:41 AM EST
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NASAMS rings are blue
HAWK is red
IRIS-T is green
Patriot and SAMP-T is orange

Hypothetical, but you get the idea that a few systems can potentially cover large areas.  Throw in the Ukrainian S-300 and other SA-6 and smaller systems and you can see that coverage is getting better.

Link Posted: 12/20/2022 10:28:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

I bet this is accurate. It would take a lot of "effort" to torture children although I'm sure the RU army is full if the "special talents" this would require. But you'd typically torture someone for intell and I doubt too many kids have any. It doesnt seem worth the effort. Who knows with the Russians. They have kidnapped kids after murdering their parents (and their whole town) so abusing the kids is just sport for the assholes.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
Originally Posted By Capta:

I posted the original article about a week ago.
The article title used the word “torture” but the description of what was going on is closer to abuse/mistreatment/coercive “reeducation.”
Imprisonment, withholding food, little water, telling the children their parents had abandoned them and were never coming back.
Basically they were punishing children who they perceived as “resisting” the occupation in some way.
And you can make a case for calling that torture, but it doesn’t sound like they were pulling fingernails out or such.
Its very much in the tradition of ethnic cleansing by “reeducation” of the youth which the Russian empire has always practiced.   Fucking scumbags.

I bet this is accurate. It would take a lot of "effort" to torture children although I'm sure the RU army is full if the "special talents" this would require. But you'd typically torture someone for intell and I doubt too many kids have any. It doesnt seem worth the effort. Who knows with the Russians. They have kidnapped kids after murdering their parents (and their whole town) so abusing the kids is just sport for the assholes.

I imagine torturing kids in front of their parents is very effective. There was already reports of this type of terror. The 5 year old raped to death. GF reported several incidence of child torture pages back.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 10:34:24 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/20/2022 10:36:46 AM EST
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Russia De-Nazified the fuck out of that place.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 10:42:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

I remember Xiden's stupid "gaff" (spoke the quiet part out loud again) when he said we would impose sanctions 'unless it was a minor incursion'. Putin and his Generals must have been high fiving at that one.
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I called that his “Just the tip” speech. Fucking idiot.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 10:46:19 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/20/2022 10:50:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By j_hooker:


I’m saying this as a hardcore UA supporter, Ukraine didn’t exactly take the threat serious enough leading up to Feb 24th. I remember  tons of heads up to UA from the West that Russia was going to invade.   As to being serious on aid, haven’t we always lead the material donation chart? I know we could and should do more, but very pleased with what we have done and I think we should recognize the support and effort we have applied otherwise the rift felt between the right is in vain.
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Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:


All I can say, keeping politics out of it is necessary while helping my wife’s org, plenty of Ukrainian officers complained about the USAs ROE and failure to understand the nature of the enemy or their only route to victory. I have to applaud Britain and Poland and the other Baltics for real world analysis, support, and actions.

Until recently, our government was never really serious about aiding Ukraine, or stopping Russia. In fact I hate to say it, we all but opened the door to this 98-2021


I’m saying this as a hardcore UA supporter, Ukraine didn’t exactly take the threat serious enough leading up to Feb 24th. I remember  tons of heads up to UA from the West that Russia was going to invade.   As to being serious on aid, haven’t we always lead the material donation chart? I know we could and should do more, but very pleased with what we have done and I think we should recognize the support and effort we have applied otherwise the rift felt between the right is in vain.

Ukraine was also penetrated by Russian influence ops or outright traitors.  The Russians had agents high up in the Ukrainian government trying to prevent a response, divert UA resources away from the objectives, and confuse the situation.  No names have been publicly named, yet.  But we’ll know after the war.
And the UA (like the west) just didn’t believe that the Russians would invade with the forces they had, which everyone believed were insufficient to the task.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 11:11:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Capta:

Ukraine was also penetrated by Russian influence ops or outright traitors.  The Russians had agents high up in the Ukrainian government trying to prevent a response, divert UA resources away from the objectives, and confuse the situation.  No names have been publicly named, yet.  But we'll know after the war.
And the UA (like the west) just didn't believe that the Russians would invade with the forces they had, which everyone believed were insufficient to the task.
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Originally Posted By j_hooker:
Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:


All I can say, keeping politics out of it is necessary while helping my wife's org, plenty of Ukrainian officers complained about the USAs ROE and failure to understand the nature of the enemy or their only route to victory. I have to applaud Britain and Poland and the other Baltics for real world analysis, support, and actions.

Until recently, our government was never really serious about aiding Ukraine, or stopping Russia. In fact I hate to say it, we all but opened the door to this 98-2021


I'm saying this as a hardcore UA supporter, Ukraine didn't exactly take the threat serious enough leading up to Feb 24th. I remember  tons of heads up to UA from the West that Russia was going to invade.   As to being serious on aid, haven't we always lead the material donation chart? I know we could and should do more, but very pleased with what we have done and I think we should recognize the support and effort we have applied otherwise the rift felt between the right is in vain.

Ukraine was also penetrated by Russian influence ops or outright traitors.  The Russians had agents high up in the Ukrainian government trying to prevent a response, divert UA resources away from the objectives, and confuse the situation.  No names have been publicly named, yet.  But we'll know after the war.
And the UA (like the west) just didn't believe that the Russians would invade with the forces they had, which everyone believed were insufficient to the task.
Also, a full mobilization before 2/24 would have either wrecked the UA economy before an invasion or have been used as justification/propaganda by Russia. Maybe things turn our worse for UA with this route.

In hindsight, I think UA made the right call prewar, and the civilian response bought the time needed for the military and the support of the western world.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 11:15:42 AM EST
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Brutal.



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Looks like a racing quadcopter kamikaze detonated right on the guy’s chest.  
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 11:22:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sq40:


Fuck!  Dude is at the hottest part of the front handing out medals.  Wow!

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Fuck!  Dude is at the hottest part of the front handing out medals.  Wow!


Hats off to Zelensky for having the guts to do his job right.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 11:25:29 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/20/2022 11:30:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:

That’s a lot of ladas.
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Originally Posted By kncook:
Originally Posted By TheLurker:


Holy shit! They might make 100k by tomorrow at this rate.  


100k dead Russians would make a nice Christmas present to the world.

That’s a lot of ladas.


“That’s a lada ladas.”

Link Posted: 12/20/2022 11:44:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Capta:

Looks like a racing quadcopter kamikaze detonated right on the guy’s chest.  
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Originally Posted By Prime:





Brutal.




Looks like a racing quadcopter kamikaze detonated right on the guy’s chest.  


Walk towards the light weary travelers.
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This video sponsored by the 92nd Separate Mechanized Brigade:
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And The 112th Separate Territorial Defense Brigade
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I've been spending a lot of time trying to locate all the unit patches. There is a shit load of them, but it's cool they sometimes mark their videos.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 12:47:49 PM EST
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Above video geolocated.



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Originally Posted By Jack67:


WRT to the long-form post AT twitter-linked early today by “Murz,” that guy was referring to the OPPOSITE of this.  He’s saying the Army leadership is carelessly wrecking the army and it will bring down the government.

In the 1905 Revolution, the Guard units were loyal and put down the revolution.  “Guard units” are higher prestige, long-serving, presumably loyal units to the regime or crown vs. the people. Akin to UK “Household” regiments, and similar units usually called “Guards” or “Life” units in many, many countries, Asian also.   In WWI, these units were rotated to the front often enough in Russia that it diluted and destroyed them. Very parallel to what has happened to elite Guard formations in Ukraine this year.  When the February 1917 revolution happened, the weakened/diluted guard units refused orders to put it down - which they would not have done in 1914, or if they had not been so badly degraded and diluted.  That is what the author means by:



“Stohkod” refers to a river and area in western Ukraine where in WWI the Brusilov offensive crippled the Austro-Germans, but also crippled the Russian army, too.  So Murz is saying that he really fears the general weakening of the Army and guard forces by incompetence can lead to the dissolution of the Russian Federation.  A Russian reader gets this all in one sentence and it would alarm them and alert them to the seriousness of the state of the army.
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Originally Posted By Jack67:
Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

It's almost as if Putin is trying to eliminate his Army to prevent a 1917 repeat.


WRT to the long-form post AT twitter-linked early today by “Murz,” that guy was referring to the OPPOSITE of this.  He’s saying the Army leadership is carelessly wrecking the army and it will bring down the government.

In the 1905 Revolution, the Guard units were loyal and put down the revolution.  “Guard units” are higher prestige, long-serving, presumably loyal units to the regime or crown vs. the people. Akin to UK “Household” regiments, and similar units usually called “Guards” or “Life” units in many, many countries, Asian also.   In WWI, these units were rotated to the front often enough in Russia that it diluted and destroyed them. Very parallel to what has happened to elite Guard formations in Ukraine this year.  When the February 1917 revolution happened, the weakened/diluted guard units refused orders to put it down - which they would not have done in 1914, or if they had not been so badly degraded and diluted.  That is what the author means by:


The imperial guard, which could easily crush the February rebellion, was buried in the swamps of Stokhod not by “damned Bolshevik agitators”, but by tsarist generals.


“Stohkod” refers to a river and area in western Ukraine where in WWI the Brusilov offensive crippled the Austro-Germans, but also crippled the Russian army, too.  So Murz is saying that he really fears the general weakening of the Army and guard forces by incompetence can lead to the dissolution of the Russian Federation.  A Russian reader gets this all in one sentence and it would alarm them and alert them to the seriousness of the state of the army.


I’m running way behind in the thread but wanted to say I appreciated the context around the “Stohkod” reference. Thanks Jack67!
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 12:54:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Prime:

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This drawing is one of the most powerful I have seen yet. Right up their with the shield and teddy bear and the sunflower lady. Such a dichotomy of emotions. The pride of the Ukrainians and horror of being invaded by subhuman animals at a time of Peace for the season.
It is a shame that some shipping clerk can't screw up and "accidentally" ship a couple of cargo containers full of ATACMS to Ukraine.
"I'm sorry sir, my dyslexia kicked in and I thought it said snacks."
Or, as I mentioned before, pull an operation "eldest son" but include poisoned food.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 12:58:24 PM EST
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Less than 2,500 Russian losses needed to pass 100,000...

I think we could see them pass it before the month is over; maybe even in the next five days.  

Ukrainian losses are also surely in the tens of thousands, and their KIA + wounded may well be approaching a 100,000 total of its own.  Russia's whole genocidal aggression is a criminal, tragic, unacceptable waste of people and resources...on both sides.  

I hope Russia continues to be smashed until the very last Russian boot leaves Ukrainian soil...and I also hope that boot leaves soon.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 12:59:32 PM EST
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Russian TG thoughts on the matter. Posted by a Z channel, and reposted by Wagner.

"Geniuses" continue to create. This is the second video that shows that the main motivation of a Russian man to go to war is poverty. This material is an information sabotage aimed at discrediting Russia, discrediting the servicemen of the RF Armed Forces and demoralizing our soldiers. If this product was produced in Russia, I hope that our law enforcement agencies will identify the creators of this masterpiece and take action.

@NeoficialniyBeZsonoV

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Link Posted: 12/20/2022 1:19:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Prime:


Russian TG thoughts on the matter. Posted by a Z channel, and reposted by Wagner.

"Geniuses" continue to create. This is the second video that shows that the main motivation of a Russian man to go to war is poverty. This material is an information sabotage aimed at discrediting Russia, discrediting the servicemen of the RF Armed Forces and demoralizing our soldiers. If this product was produced in Russia, I hope that our law enforcement agencies will identify the creators of this masterpiece and take action.

@NeoficialniyBeZsonoV

https://t.me/rsotmdivision/3271

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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



Russian TG thoughts on the matter. Posted by a Z channel, and reposted by Wagner.

"Geniuses" continue to create. This is the second video that shows that the main motivation of a Russian man to go to war is poverty. This material is an information sabotage aimed at discrediting Russia, discrediting the servicemen of the RF Armed Forces and demoralizing our soldiers. If this product was produced in Russia, I hope that our law enforcement agencies will identify the creators of this masterpiece and take action.

@NeoficialniyBeZsonoV

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lol, neat to see instant reaction like this.
Link Posted: 12/20/2022 1:38:02 PM EST
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ISW assessment for December 19th.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-19



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Lukashenka knows better this war is not going well for Russia

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Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire:



Less than 2,500 Russian losses needed to pass 100,000...

I think we could see them pass it before the month is over; maybe even in the next five days.  

Ukrainian losses are also surely in the tens of thousands, and their KIA + wounded may well be approaching a 100,000 total of its own.  Russia's whole genocidal aggression is a criminal, tragic, unacceptable waste of people and resources...on both sides.  

I hope Russia continues to be smashed until the very last Russian boot leaves Ukrainian soil...and I also hope that boot leaves soon.
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Less than 2,500 Russian losses needed to pass 100,000...

I think we could see them pass it before the month is over; maybe even in the next five days.  

Ukrainian losses are also surely in the tens of thousands, and their KIA + wounded may well be approaching a 100,000 total of its own.  Russia's whole genocidal aggression is a criminal, tragic, unacceptable waste of people and resources...on both sides.  

I hope Russia continues to be smashed until the very last Russian boot leaves Ukrainian soil...and I also hope that boot leaves soon.


Dude, you're 3 days behind.

Those are the numbers from the 17th.

Only 770 more to hit 100k per today's numbers...



Link Posted: 12/20/2022 1:54:04 PM EST
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I am extremely interested in how these are going to be used.

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